YTSEJAM Digest 2254
Today's Topics:
1) VAUXDVIHL
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
2) Latent CD Releasing - An Apocalyptic Vision - Dream Theater Please Read!!
by rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
3) New Dream Theater? (fwd)
by eckie@asu.edu
4) A petition to east/west
by curth@execpc.com
5) Re: Tom's Twister
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
6) re: Re: i&w, awake, progmetal, stuff.
by CORNHOLIO <dmilner@econ.vu.nl>
7) SDV FAQ content, VeryFine Fruit Punch, etc...
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
10) DT/Metallica wait (The Wait?)
by "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:12:04 -0500
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: VAUXDVIHL
Message-ID: <199702071815.KAA29207@pawn.ax.com>
Hello,
If anyone wants to ask a few questions or just say Hi to the
band VAUXDVIHL,
you can send an e-mail to:
Paul paul . ray grimma-rimple paul
E-mail: TJ@lovely.labyrinth.net.au
His e-mail is temporary, so send your messages now!
Elvis Batur
cyclone@securenet.net
elv@geocities.com
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 18:13:17 GMT
From: rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Latent CD Releasing - An Apocalyptic Vision - Dream Theater Please Read!!
Message-ID: <32fb6789.1508185@mail.idirect.com>
Hiya Watha!
>Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:49:19 -0500 (EST)
>From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
>Hey Rick...where have ya been? :)
Working, working and more working! (/me partakes in copious
emesis)
>The new DT album: I love DT as much as the next guy, but I am patiently
>waiting for the new LP. I have so many other CDs to buy and listen to to
>keep me busy until DT's next masterpiece. ...........=20
That's what I've been doing as well. It helps to pass the
time and broadening the feast for the aural palette never hurt anyone,
except in the wallet that is.
There is one minute little dilemma related to this. Personal
bitterness.
Look at it this way. I am buying so many discs waiting for
theirs to be released, or even recorded, that I quickly running out of
funds to spend on DT related merchandise. This leaves me free to draw
a single inescapable conclusion.
If the record does not come out soon, none of us will have
sufficient funds left to purchase it. Naturally, this will lead to
the band's being dropped from their label and a future of doing movie
theme music for sports dramas ala Rocky.
I say, let it rest on the band's head!!!
They get the record out soon, or I can't be responsible for
what happens to their careers!!!
There! I've said it!
Let the fire and brimstone fall where they may. ;)
(Help! I can't get my tongue out of my cheek.)
>I think if it's released during school time, I'd abandon all
>my claases and work b/c I'd be listening to the new DT album all f00kin
>time. :)
Yeah, I can understand that. I can also imagine the result at
work.
Werner (My Boss): I need you to run an emergency backup on the VAX.
Me: Sorry. No can do right now. Metropolis II just started and I'm
ethically bound to kneel and pay homage to the complexity of this
majestic creation.
Later that day, Rick picked up his pink slip. :)
Cheers,
/me
Toronto
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:33:09 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Dream Theater? (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970207113045.5193C-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Here's my contribution to the campaign. I WANT MY NEW #!#$ING DT
ALBUM!!!! Just thought I'd share my impatience with y'all.
I wonder if people would shit thier pants if DT decided to get haircuts....
~Eckie
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:29:49 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@imap1.asu.edu
To: eegmail@aol.com
Subject: New Dream Theater?
What exactly is taking sooooo long to produce this new Dream Theater
album? The fans have been waiting far too long to hear the new
material, myself included. I understood the delay when the first
producer died in the middle of creation, but this later delay by
EastWest's management is beyond annoying...it's irritating.
Concisely, here's my point: We want a new album or something to satisfy
our Dream Theater thirst! Produce another Change of Seasons if you have
to, but get something out!!! The longer you delay, the more irritated
the fans get!
..and everybody knows what a pain in the ass a whole group of angry
metalheads can be....
~Eckie
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:24:22 -0600 (CST)
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A petition to east/west
Message-ID: <199702071924.NAA09210@mail.execpc.com>
Hi all!
Well, with all the discussion about telling east/west to get on the ball,
there have been several ideas as to how to go about it:
Some people want to just email-bomb them (rightly so).
Some want to politely kick them in the ass (email them a nice message
asking them to get on the ball)
And some think a written petition would be the best way to go.
While most will want to do #1, I highly recommend that you *don't*. As has
been previously stated, this will more than likely piss the label off and
would probably cause more harm than good. Some think that #2 would be a great
idea - I think it would be, but I think that the label would still get kinda
pissed off having all these DT fans emailing them asking for a new album. My
guess is that #3 is the best choice. For one reason, it has been a proven way
of doing it (with the ACOS petition). Not only that, but it is more organized
and will be less time consuming for those at the label to read - I mention
this becuz most of the bozos over there really don't want to spend their time
having to deal with fans - they have more...ummm....important things to do
(like sign more alternative acts) than worry about a less popular band on
their roster <sp?>. While I don't have the time, I would be willing to *help*
out with the petition (I'd rather someone else head this up and I'd help out).
NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME IN REGARDS TO THIS JUST YET!!!! Right now, if
possible, what I'm asking is for someone who had involvement with the ACOS
petition to email me. I'd like to know how they went about doing this so that
it can be done in a most effective way. When this is all figured out, I'll
post to the 'Jam. BTW, anyone who wants to assist (or better yet, take the
lead) on this, please contact me as well. Many thanx to all!!
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:22:20 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tom's Twister
Message-ID: <199702072018.OAA17399@Walden.MO.NET>
>it's as fun as puking your guts out after riding tom's twister and
>more.
Better than puking your guts out while riding tom's twister, hehe :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 21:19:22 +0100
From: CORNHOLIO <dmilner@econ.vu.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Re: i&w, awake, progmetal, stuff.
Message-ID: <32FB8E4A.6646@econ.vu.nl>
> i'm kinda dissappointed with the prog and progmetal scene these days.
> someone's gonna hate me and/or flame me for this, but i'm really sick
> of Magna Carta, "DT clones", and the bandwagon mentality. Mike Varney
Well, i'm not gonna hate you; i just don't fully agree...I got the
Artension cd, and it really RULES; Artension isn't a DT-clone at all. I
hear much classical influences (keyboards/guitar), as well as Deep
Purple/Black Sabbath etc.
There's also a new 'trend' in Gothenburg (Sweden) of very melodic, fast
techno- (death-) metal; also very far away from DT, but high quality
music.
But I agree there's a lot of DT-clones. I'm a fan of DT, but I don't
even take the trouble listening when bands are compared to
DT/Queensryche nowadays. Most bands just can't play this music in a
natural way; they might try something else.
I'm still looking for any DT-bootlegs, can anybody tell me how to get
those?
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:40:14 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SDV FAQ content, VeryFine Fruit Punch, etc...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9702071515.B1239-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
> Subject: Re: Lotza Haha's and more where that came from..
>
> i guess this can apply with most bands..like DT..but the aforementioned
> metallica was the contrary, my guess is that if they (met) wouldve put
> out a record..say a year or two after the black album it wouldve been a
> hellof a lot better than load...you know ..well lets not start anther
> load suxx thread..so if anywone wanna flame me please do it
Well, at least you know enough not to bring up your feelings about Load
here in a public forum like this. :-/
----> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: SDV > > > From: Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net> > > Subject: Question about SDV samples.. > > > > (This here is quoted from the FAQ) > > (unintelligible talking)"...I'll get up with the sun...she
[etc]
> That's from the FAQ? Who was in charge of the FAQ before Chris Merlo? > Jason Skewes?
Yes, he was. 'Twas he that put that there, but I left it in.
> > That is from this documentary called "Evan". It's from a Canadian > > series called "The Fifth Estate". > > Would it be possible to transcribe from the actual documentary?
I would love anyone that could get an accurate transcription of the film, and note what parts were used in the song (like Itchy's transcription for whatever he transcribed for me - damn, I'm tired.)
> Present FAQ Maintainer: if this is what is in the present FAQ, or if this > is what's going into an upcoming FAQ, please e-mail me.
That's what's presently there. I haven't yet decided what is going to be in the next update, but I do hope to have a definitive confirmation (preferably from the band, but I trust Irene) that I can include in the next update.
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> From: Timothy Templeton <ttempleton@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2251 > > > Cliff Totten > > 02/06/97 03:15 PM > > > > I dont understand how DRINKING anything could affect your voice. > > I always thought that your "voice box" or vocal chords are in your "wind > > pipe". Nothing that > > someone swallows actually passes through their "wind pipe". If they did, it > > would go into their lungs and they would cough like shit !
I've been meaning to reply to this one. Glad it came up again. The human body is an interconnected system of systems, and what happens in one system affects the entire rest of the body. Everything you eat, drink, inhale, or otherwise ingest or consume effects every other system in your body - the nervous system, the cardio-pulmonary systems, everything. We're all one big cycle. Your voice does not exist in a vacuum, separated from the digestive system. So, what you drink, what you eat, and even what kind of physical shape you're in - metabolism, muscle tone, etc - affects how you sing and how you feel during and afterwards.
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> From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> > Subject: Looks like candy/Re: The DT World Order Methodology and Relative Flaws Therein/Thereof/Throatus the Destroyer > > >> This is weird. The best vocal drink I've ever found was Very Fine > >> Fruit Punch. Get a bottle and tell me I'm wrong. :) > > > Yeah, but try to *find* it anywhere! > > Do they have things like electricity up there yet, Chris? :) It's right
No, It takes three gerbils an hour of work each just to send an e-mail. :) Now, let's be serious. As we all know already (from my constant bitching and whining), Vermont is a cultural black hole. Did you know that you can't just order a salami and provolone sandwich in Vermont? You have to order "#3" or whatever. It's sickening.
But, anyway, it's tough to find anything in Vermont that's not made in Vermont.
> in the canteen truck downstairs, bro...
I wish! Most of those trucks don't even carry Dew! And only one sells cigarettes.
Cultural black hole. Believe me.
:)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:58:20 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970207145251.14139C-100000@enteract.com>
Jeezers! Can anyone count the number of typos in my last e mail? Crimeny! That's what I get for typing my e mail right after I wake up. Someone slap me around next time that happens.
Oh, and the person that commented about my Very Fine Fruit Punch note not being DT related: When Dream Theater is again active and we have something DT related to discuss, I will conform. Until that point, or until some point at which Skadz silences me, you will have to deal with it. I'm not the only one that speaks about off topic things, and I didn't even start that thread. Have a nice day.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com (personal site under construction) "There is no 'try'-- only 'do' or 'do not'." - Yoda
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:14:51 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2253 Message-ID: <Mmyth=W00iVEE_ZVwR@andrew.cmu.edu>
whew, man.
Excerpts from ytsejam: 7-Feb-97 YTSEJAM digest 2253 by ytsejam@ax.com > Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:47:43 -0600 > From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2252 > Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970207174743.0073fb74@enteract.com> > > Hmm. Can you site an example od a transition on Awake that's more > choppy than Metropolis?
you're missing the point, bucko... The middle of Metropolis is intended to be the way it was... the transitions during the rest of the song are very smooth.. that middle section is intended to be a total tangent.
on the other hand, compare the transistions from verse to chorus to bridge-between in say, Caught in a web or Scarred, to the corresponding ones in Pull Me Under or Surrounded. maybe then you'll understand that i'm saying.
>It's fine to not like an album, and Awake is almost > a different Dream Theater... but with the length of this letter and the > gripes you mention, it almost makes me think FT stole your girlfriend. :)
the length of my letter ws unintentional, it just kinda flowed out that way.
and nobody has stolen my girlfriend... i don't even know who this FT person is. > > >, except for > >the changes in keyboard patches, which sometimes seem too abrupt and > >jarring for me. > > Hmm. So you only want that smooth synth sound from Awake and no > distorted analog keys/ I LOVE the Analog key sounds!
you have misunderstood my point.
no, i am not talking about the distorted analog keys sounds (which have appeared on every album the band has done).
i am talking the changes in the key patches... where you're hearing piano and then suddenly there are these huge string sounds... it just sounds disjointed... too abrupt in the shifting... i have no problems with the patches themselves, just the way in which the recording makes their entrances sound. > > >mind you, it's nothing like with Magellan, where they have to change > >mood, key, time, and sounds every 11-15 seconds, but the transitions > >just seem harsh to me... there was something about I&W where when > >someone changed sounds, they would come in very gracefully and > >appropriately... that gracefullness kinda went away with awake, and > >kinda dissappoints me. > > I have to disagree. On the one hand, Awake IS a heavier album. > That is obviously intentional.
you are missing my point. i am not complaining about heaviness... i happen to like the heaviness. there's a difference between heaviness and gracefulness.
> But I can't find anything that isn't > graceful about Voices, Innocence Faded, Erotomania, Silent Man, SDV, and > LSoaD.
i like AMBI... Erotomania, imo, is extremely choppy, though, as is LSOAD... voices and IF are somewhat smoother, though.
> The other songs are a bit more harsh, but that's because it's what > the mood dictates. You don't want to be calm, smooth and slithery when > you're trying to let out the emotion that says "Hey! I just got fucked > over!" It wouldn't sound right. You need to be abrasive sometimes, if your > song plays off that emotion.
that is not my point. they're plenty heavy and rough when they need to be... i just don't like them to sound strung together.
> >i'm getting tired of "prog"... there's more to composition than > >stringing together complex sectinos of music with lyrics designed to > >make reviewers call the lyricist intelligent, you know, the usual > >buzzwordy style proglyrics... > > If it ain't your cup of tea, that's fine. Don't insult someone's > hard work though. If you put a year or two worth of work into a song and > someone says you're trying to impress people with your chops and your > vocabulary, you wouldn't be pleased.
very often, that is not the case. you're under the assumption that every band puts the same amount of effort into their music as every other band...
> What one person finds to be poetry, > isn't worth the paper it's printed on to another. But that's an issue that > should be left alone. No one should have to defend why they like William > Blake or William Shakespeare...
that is not my point at all.
> if it speaks to you and you like it, great. > If you don't like it, great. But there's never a reason to put down the > artist like that. Well, I guess there are reasons... :) I don't accept it > when a band I love starts singing about how good it is to get drunk and > stoned. I don't like songs that are written with the intent to piss people > off until they go hurt someone. And I don't like sappy love songs that say > "baby" or "sweet honey child" every other line.
buzzwords are buzzwords, no matter how intelligent or stupid they seem.
> But I would venture that > most prog songs take a long time to write lyrics and vocal melodies to.
i would venture to say that some prog bands put a lot of effort into their music, but many, many more write music and lyrics to sound prog for the image of being prog. a shallow prog song is as easy to recognize as a shallow pop song.
> And > if the effort is put in (i.e. Brave) and I don't like it, I don't make fun > of the band or the lyrics. I'm not saying you should be like me. I'm just > sharing my feeling on the subject, as you shared yours.
not everybody puts that much effort into their work. and i really don't care whether you like brave or not.
> >dissappointed by Awake. It is a very cool album to listen to, but the > >quality is not at the same level as I&W, particularly, i believe, > >because they were excited about doing a new record and rushed > >themselves. > > I have major doubts about this one. I would say that they probably > spent more time in the studio for Awake then for I&W.
ok, here's another major error of understanding... maybe they did spend more time *in the studio*, but they spent much, much less time *writing the music*.
> The album is many > things. As it is pregressive, they didn't keep every aspect of their last > album on the new one... they evolved and tried new things. The album is > heavier... the album is more abrasive.
i have no problem with that. again, it is not my point.
> It is NOT however rushed.
yes, it is... the recording is top notch and well thought out... but the composition is much rougher than before, since their new songs were written fairly quickly and not refined nearly as much as those on I&W were.
> Even if > you hate the music, you should be able to see the effort it would take to > write music like Awake.
I don't hate the music... in fact i like it a lot. i'm just dissappointed by it because, while it is "evolved", it is not as well "crafted" as their previous effort.
> Some of those songs were written a long time before > they were ready to do Awake.
not true, if you paid attention to the mailing list and the band around the time awake was coming out, you would remember that they said they had music from before, but decided to go with the new music they had been composing since i&w instead.
> I am guessing that the new album doesn't hold > much hope for satisfying you, because you want another I&W...
ok, this is where i start to get pissed. you have *consistently* failed to understand my post, and now you are making extremely incorrect and flat-out *stupid* assumptions about my expectations from DT.
i do not want another album that sounds like I&W. i want another album with the level of quality that i found on I&W. I did not find this on Awake, because of the speed at which it was composed and the little amount of time spent refining it. I did find this on A Change Of Seasons, compositionally, while i found the production annoying in that it interrupted the flow of the song.
> you aren't > interested in seeing where the band's pwn creativity takes them.
you, sir, are being a dick. you have completely failed to understand my post, and you are acting like an idiot.
> One of the > reasons I listen to bands like Alice in Chains, Fates Warning, and DT is > that they change a lot from album to album.
this is one thing i like about them, as well. those same bands, too, although i'm not that much into AiC right now.
> Since I know the musicianship > and songwriting talent is there, I trust them to do what they want, and 9 > times out of 10 I love the product.
i like the product, too... however, i am not stupid enough to think that every song recorded by every band is of the highest quality that that band is capable of.
> I'll be the lst to say you have to like > one thing or another... I'm simply stating my opinion that I think the new > album (which we should give a temporary title until they name it. :) ) will > be a step further away from I&W. >
i don't doubt that... I just really hope that that step further away from I&W is stylistic, and not in quality.
William (wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu) http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/ ====================================================================== if you could see me all would stop * you would feel my power and when you feed me i will spark * i will start a fire
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:17:36 PST From: "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT/Metallica wait (The Wait?) Message-ID: <BF67921ABA@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
Regarding the DT delays and Metallica's "delay," remember that Metallica toured the black album for three or four years before doing Load. Very different circumstances, but I understand everyone's eagerness. May is going to be hell.
Glenn
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