YTSEJAM Digest 2257
Today's Topics:
1) Re: NDTC - Mozart (the band, not the dude)
by "R. Christopher Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
2) ytsejam now! logo
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) Hooo! Another one?
by eckie@asu.edu
4) note #2 on the ytsejam now logo
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) Let Sleeping Threads Lie
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
6) a third note on the logo, this is the last one!
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) Roy Thomas Baker
by tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
8) Fellow Long Islander
by augustl@greece-c.it.earthlink.net (Heath Augustover)
9) voice declining
by flavio maia <fmaiap@construtel.com.br>
10) An idea for a producer.
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
12) Good riddance to dick boy, two cents, and a plea
by monkey@doitnow.com
13) 100% DTC (this is a must-read)
by Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
14) black
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
15) tag update
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
16) Smoking, etc.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 86 15:37:02 -0800
From: "R. Christopher Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: NDTC - Mozart (the band, not the dude)
Message-ID: <199702082334.PAA38154@bp10.u.washington.edu>
quite a while a go, you wrote about Mozart...
>The CD is produced and mixed by Roy Thomas Baker. Forgive my
>igorance, but why does this name seem familiar? Elvis?
RTB produced several of Queen's albums.
that could be where you heard/saw the name.
among other places.
I'm sure he did other bands, but can't tell you what they are.
(well, I *could* tell you, but then I'd have to kill you... =)
r.christopher hailey
how sublime a thing it is
pass@u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~pass
to suffer and be strong -- enchant: 'catharsis'
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 17:38:10 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ytsejam now! logo
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970208233810.007194a0@mail.inlink.com>
hey, it came up on irc that i found this ytsejam now! logo, kind of in the
vein of netscape, but didnt resemble it in any way... so i went into paint
shop pro, and whipped up our own little "ytsejam now!" logo to link to the
official homepage (http://www.rsabbs.com/dt) and put it up for all to see,
its on my main homepage, which is
http://www.inlink.com/~ripzero
and if you dont have a graphic browser but you can see graphics on your comp
and want to take a look, just email me and i'll attach it and send it to
you. i think it looks good, i'm real happy with how it came out, hope you
all dig, and if you want to use it (i hope you do:) then i just ask ya
please use this html tag to do it:
<a href="http://www.rsabbs.com/dt"><img
src="http://www.inlink.com/~ripzero/images/yjnow.gif" border=0 alt="Ytsejam
NOW!"></a>
that way you dont even have to upload the image into your own web directory,
just hatchet it off mine. i'd love some comments if ya check it out :)
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 17:02:08 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hooo! Another one?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970208170115.5326B-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Yet another DT song?
Shit. I think we should ask for a
TRIPLE CD ALBUM!!!
Just a thought.
~Eckie stirs the pot
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:13:07 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: note #2 on the ytsejam now logo
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970209011307.0076df70@mail.inlink.com>
hi all, i just updated it again, this time instead of the letter "Y" i was
actually able to design a mini majesty logo in there.. it looks great, this
is only a post to all of you ack moders who already went and saw it already
to go see it again, the filename is still the same, its just a weee
different as you see. so everything about using it and viewing it pending
is the exact same as my previous post.. enjoy! :)
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 20:38:03 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Let Sleeping Threads Lie
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970208203756.0068a44c@ici.net>
>Hrm....
> I've come to notice that people have lost the right to proclaim
>their own opinion on this place. It's real sad. Unless it's
>proportionate to what the majority of the jam likes, this person is
>hammered into submission.
As far as I'm concerned, so be it. I have a lot of musical likes/dislikes
that fly in the face of what this list believes: I don't like Rush,
Marillion, or Yes. I only like one Queensryche album (O:m). I like Dream
Theater because they are a metal band that's doing something that catches
my attention. They stand out from the crowd.
I realize that having opinions like these are bound to make me unpopular
with some people here. While I haven't yet encountered a pure flame-fest, I
know I probably will (probably right after I post this. :)). But frankly, I
don't much care. I'm not too thin-skinned to let people bother me.
To many of the problems on this list come from too much posturing and
attitude. People saying "I don't want to repond here, but....." and then
responding. Too many verbal cockfights, nobody's ever willing to just let a
counter-productive thread lie.
It reminds me of a communications course I took in college: one day, the
professor paired us off, and had us face one another with a line drawn on
the floor between us. The object was for each person to get the other one
over to the other side of the line. Naturally, most of the people started
physically pulling of the other person to try and yank them over. After a
couple of minutes, the professor stopped us and told us the best solution
to the problem: for each person to voluntarily step over the line. No
conflict, no violence, everyone succeeds. That's what needs to happen here
more often, but too many people are afraid to stop pulling.
Sorry to ramble, but maybe it'll help. (well...)
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:49:55 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: a third note on the logo, this is the last one!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970209014955.009246b0@mail.inlink.com>
hi all! sorry for this third update, i promise i'm done and this is the
last, ok i just worked on this, i now have an animated version of the logo,
in which the majesty logo rotates :) BOTH animated and non animated are
available for use, if you wish to use the animated link anywhere, the html
tag is as follows:
<a href="http://www.rsabbs.com/dt"><img src="images/ynrotate.gif" border=0
alt="Ytsejam NOW!"></a>
PLEASE use these tags for these images, thats the only thing i ask.
ok so this is it, the last one, so everyone go check it out, have a blast,
yes i am a loser for spending so much time on this, party on down :) enjoy!
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 02:57:43 GMT
From: tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Roy Thomas Baker
Message-ID: <32ff3ca2.158122905@mail.airmail.net>
>The CD is produced and mixed by Roy Thomas Baker. Forgive my
>igorance, but why does this name seem familiar? Elvis?
Actually, I'm sure that he produced more, but I know he produced at
least the first three albums by The Cars (The Cars, Candy-O, and
Panarama). After that, Rik Ocasek started doing most of their mixing
and production work.
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 22:18:02 -0500
From: augustl@greece-c.it.earthlink.net (Heath Augustover)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fellow Long Islander
Message-ID: <v01510100af22e14514f8@[38.26.18.65]>
Hey guys, isn't it so cool when you're wearing some DT stuff and then
someone else, a complete stranger brings up to you that he's another DT
fan? Well, a couple weeks ago I was at Blockbuster Video and an employee
noticed that I was either wearing a DT hat or shirt (I forgot already). I
just thought it was so cool. And he said that he's another ytsejammer, so
I'm just sayiing hi Ian (I think that's your name).
Has this happened to anyone else on the jam, just wearing DT stuff and then
some complete stragner start a conversation with you just because you're
wearing some DT stuff?
Heath Augustover
p.s. I'm also saying hi to a dude that I saw walking around Nassau
Community College the very first day of classes in the fall semester with a
ytsecon shirt on. I saw you wearing it, I was just too far away to say hi
to you. :)
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:29:06 -0200 (EDT)
From: flavio maia <fmaiap@construtel.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: voice declining
Message-ID: <199702090329.BAA24745@leon.construtel.com.br>
I didn't think that cigar could decrease voice range.Remember...La brie
smokes either...By the way, i think that Bruce Dickinson's voice decline by
some reason that only he knows...His voice didn't suffer alteration until No
prayer for the dying...UP THE IRONS!!
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:14:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: An idea for a producer.
Message-ID: <199702090414.XAA01412@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Here is an idea. Let's go with Peter Collins who produces Rush. He is very
creative as you can see with the complexity of Rush's newer stuff. They
just keep getting better. I would love to see what he can do with DT. Just
my $.02
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:20:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970208231945.20132A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
I have heard from several people on the jam that James Labrie is possibly
leaving the band and they are having auditons???? Could this be the
reason the album is taking so long???? Just somethin to think about
Later,
Dan
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:18:11 -0700
From: monkey@doitnow.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Good riddance to dick boy, two cents, and a plea
Message-ID: <32FD5E13.121F@doitnow.com>
We all have opinions; here's mine.
I think that when you state your opinion and get a reply, you don't have
to repeatedly say "You didn't get my point" and start calling other
people dicks. If you run into someone contradicting you, don't throw a
flame. You should debate, IMO. I think it's good for the digest when
we disagree and have an intelligent conversation, especially when it's
about Dream Theater. :) I think we should just try to get our points
across the best we can and go back and forth as much as we want -- as
long as we're adding something relative to Dream Theater discussion.
(author descends from soap box)
I have two cents on the I&W/Awake concept. DT obviously progressed; the
nice thing about progression is that you can go in any direction and bet
the house that your not going backwards. I think Awake sounds choppy,
but I love it. It's angry and takes sharp turns, takes you from
serenity to a fitful wrath. It's the fine art of moodwise madness. One
part that I used to find annoying, but now find charming in a
in-love-with-a-serial-killer sort of way is the abrupt key change from
the bridge to the chorus in Innocence Faded. It's the same thing with
Erotomania, where they play the 10/8 riff and make the 4th measure 9/8.
Of course, there are examples of this on I&W, but that has less of a
madness quality and more of a beautiful/intelligent quality to me,
probably because it's not as dark.
On another note, I need some help. I love the music of passionate
progressive bands, but relatively few are signed to major labels or get
airplay. Bands such as Dream Theater, Rush, Queensryche, Yes, et cetera
stir me in a way that most mainstream music cannot. I get an
unexplainable sensation whether listening to "Take The Time", "Tears",
or "Screaming In Digital". If you know what I'm talking about, please
e-mail me the names of some little-known, but accessible
bands/artists/albums that make you feel the same way. I've heard of
Spock's Beard on the list, and I'll be checking them out. Something has
to pacify me through the DT hiatus.
Craig
monkey@doitnow.com
P.S. If you need a laugh, I have some off-the-wall one-liners on my
homepage: http://www.doitnow.com/~monkey/index.html
Note: Very unconventional humor (humour?)
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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 21:43:11 -0500
From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 100% DTC (this is a must-read)
Message-ID: <199702090541.VAA06086@kim.teleport.com>
Ok, tonight was a very interesting night on the old IRC channel
#ytsejam.
I suggested that we start making porno titles for Dream Theater
songs. A few weak ones like my own "Metcockolis I" came out, but then it
began to flow.
This is highly related to Dream Theater and if you are a fan, you should
really read this!
DT Porn Titles!
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Ytseslam - <Chambers>
Six O Cock - <Ytse-Ben>
Learning to Give - <Ytse-Ben>
Under an ass moon - <M-Bone>
The Wacking Hand - <Aaron>
Scarred (S&M) - <M-Bone>
My Cock Won't Piss - <Char>
Metropolis Part I - The Miracle Whip and the Seeper - <Ytse-Ben>
The Impotent Man - <Char>
Lay - <M-Bone>
LSOAD (Lifting Sluts off a Dick) - <Rick>
The Minor - <M-Bone>
The Ones who Help the Man to Cum - <Chambers>
Only a Matter of Cum - <Ytse-Ben>
To Cum Forever - <M-Bone>
Light Fire and Fuck Away - <Rip>
Phallus Seeker - <Ytse-Ben>
Sodomy Seeker - <Char>
A Fortune in Thighs - <Ytse-Ben>
A Change of Sheets - <subtlrage>
Pull Me Harder - <Char>
Pull My...ummm - <Chambers>
A Bang of Seasons - <Chambers>
Space Dye Chest - <Rip>
Juices - <M-Bone>
Another Dick - <Char>
Another Lay - <Ytse-Ben>
Bake My Dime - <Ytse-Ben>
ACOS (A Choice of Suductresses) - <Rick>
ACOS (A CUnt on Steroids) - <Chuck>
Wait For Sheep - <Ytse-Ben>
Raise the "knife" - <Ytse-Ben>
The Jerking Hand - <Chuck>
Fallopian SKies - <Ytse-Ben>
Pervian Thighs - <Ytse-Ben> (whatever you prefer)
Impotence Faded - <Ytse-Ben>
Light Dick and Get A Lay - <Ytse-Ben>
Bombay Spindlespooge - <Chuck>
Afterwife - <Ytse-Ben>
Bombay Sticky-Goo - <Chuck>
To Jizz Forever - <Char> (yes folks, this is a woman!)
ItsyBitsyHam - <Ytse-Ben>
Cover my Eyes - <M-Bone> (just hte way it is)
Take Away My Virginity - <Chambers>
Take Away My Membrane - <M-Bone>
I'm Not Wearing Any Pants - <Ytse-Ben>
Your Place or Mine (You Or Me) - <M-Bone>
Burning My Hole - <M-Bone>
69s in the Sand - <Ytse-Ben>
Only A Masturba Time - <Ytse-Ben>
Cum Bubbles - <Ytse-Ben>
The cds:
When sperm and Egg Unite
Images of Girls
A Change of Semen
*** * Lie on My Pee Pee (LatM) - <Vinnie>
A Change of Semen
Cumsnake
By:
James LayedBrie
Charlie Dominatrix
Mike Porntoy (duh!)
Kevin Whore
John MyToungue
John PetCoochie
Derek Shove-it-in-again
None of mine are on here, because I am too nice of a guy! (Ladies?
I know you are out there! (estok@teleport.com)
michelob
p.s. - this is not a joke! Take offense to it!
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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:49:45 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: black
Message-ID: <199702090546.XAA09501@Walden.MO.NET>
>Why do all these Progressive Metal bands seem to like wearing black
>so much?
Because it makes them look bad ass, hehe :).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:02:10 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: tag update
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970209060210.00939e84@mail.inlink.com>
sorry, to use the rotating maj logo ytsejam now graphic, use this html code
<a href="http://www.rsabbs.com/dt"><img
src="http://www.inlink.com/~ripzero/images/ynrotate.gif" border=0
alt="Ytsejam NOW!"></a>
if you dont know what i'm talking about loook at my last post :)
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:22:10 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Smoking, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9702090128.B10352-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
> Subject: Geoff Tate
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on "smoking and singing"
Yes, I have some very strong thoughts on smoking and singing. Anyone
that wants to be a vocalist (in *ANY* style of music) and is stupid
enough to smoke cigarettes (as I have been) ought to be prepared to face
the fact that the quality of the voice will suffer tremendously. Those
of you that have heard what I recorded with my band Polio Dog in the
summer of 1995 and what I've recorded with Nine Miles in the winter of
1997 might notice a change in my voice. God knows I've noticed. I find
it hard to sing the PDog stuff anymore. I've lost some range, and I've
lost some power.
Add to all that the fact that I have never had the first day of formal
voice training. Not only am I screwing around with my instrument, but
I've never learned how to use it properly, and I'm probably hurting it in
two ways. I have over time learned how to control my voice somewhat.
There was a time where I wouldn't be able to speak out loud for a day or
two after performing. I realized how *bad* that was, and tried to change
my style of singing so that I actually sing, rather than screaming pitches.
But, to get back to my initial point, smoking is dumb, and smoking and
attempting to maintain a good singing voice is even dumber.
----> From: Jon Veal <jon@veal.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Black > > Why do all these Progressive Metal bands seem to like wearing black > so much ?
Black hides beer stains better. :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:53:30 -0600 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970209065330.0073c40c@enteract.com>
>chris's response to my post is completely unrelated to my main point: >quality. Which is really in the eye of the beholder, which is the point of my whole response to his post. >chris accuses me of insulting people. Which he did in saying that progressive lyrics are cliche and/or buzzwords. >chris then insults me >by proclaiming to the 'jam that what i want from the band is the exact >opposite of everything i said in my post. Or maybe I came to that conclusion by the fact that he said he wanted Awake and the new stuff to be like I&W, which leads me to believe that he didn't care for Awake or for the new direction DT has been heading. That's not an insult. >chris gets pissed. i >think it's funny, Is it funny "haha" or funny "hoho" when someone writes you an e mail swearing at you and calling you ignorant and stupid for disagreeing with them. Sounds like neither to me. > he sends me private email in which he continues to >fail to understand and flames me more. I offer up my response to anyone that wants it. It was no more a flame than his was of me. After sending the letter, I also sent him a second one saying basically "Let's just put our differences aside. Our disagreements are on matters of opinion" and he spews more expletives and calls me more names for this. > since this was private email, i >figure fine, he has declared war. so i send him private email. >chris then posts to the jam calling me a dick and offering to send >people my response to his flame. This was in response to his post to the jam. Not in response to his letter, which came AFTER I posted my trademark to the jam. I tried to declare PEACE, and he spat at me for it. The first insults came from him. The only other insults were things that basically told him to grow up. >i'm sick of people on #ytsejam getting pissed at me because i don't >like everything they do. I made the written point that I'll be the last to tell someone what to listen to, and I defend anyone's right (you've seen posts from me proving so) to like whatever they want and dislike whatever they want. So I won't accept blame for this. >i'm sick of people on ytsejam acting like 10 year olds. Then teach by example. Not by bitching and moaning. That's not even 10 year old stuff. That's 9 and under. :) >i won't have >to read it cuz i won't be subscribed. I won't cry over this. I won't lose sleep over this. If the consensus is that I was wrong in responding to this guy's first post, and that I had no reason to after what he said to be the least bit upset, let me know by personal e mail, and I'll unsubscribe too. I took this flame war off the jam without even posting my own flame. I took his shit and brought it to private e mail. I posted to the jam because I know some sick individuals find me amusing, and I wanted them to know that they were welcome to get my input on the situation. >have fun. i'm sorry i ever considered that someone (well, ok, one >person) might have a clue about what i'm talking about. So am I, because when I can make sense of everything else I read, (which includes everything from classic literature to ebonic bullshit) if you say I had no clue what you were talking about it's because it wasn't in english, or because you're grasping at straws and arguing in circles. I made every attempt to be civil.
> I've come to notice that people have lost the right to proclaim >their own opinion on this place. Are you putting that on me? Let me know and I'll hop right off this love boat. > I hate to see people unsubscribe no matter how much anyone else on >the jam hates their guts. I don't hate any human being. I don't want anyone to unsubscribe. >know he had put you (Chris) on the defensive and that a general name >calling match got thrown in the works. NO. I will accept NO blame for the name calling match. I was perfectly civil in my post. He went off. > What the hell is wring with >letting people state their opinions and get the hell on with your >lives? Nobody cares what anyone else thinks. If I didn't care what he thought, I wouldn't have responded. I didn't tell him to give up his opinion. I stated my reasoned disagreement. "What the hell is wrong" with me stating my opinion and getting the hell on with my life? It's because you have to walk on god damn egg shells around here so no one will complain. Now I know the stress Bafu was going through a few months ago. Listen... if you guys want me off the jam, for any reason, let me know and I'm gone. It's that simple. I don't think I did anything wrong here. I took plenty of time, didn't respond immediately, and asked him to be cool. I even offered the e mail handshake of peace. There is absolutely nothing more I could have done, except not disagree, which would seem to me to be a rule no one should have to live up to. If anyone wants to do me and the jam a favor I ask THIS of you: If you want to discuss this or any of my recent NDTC posts with me, to tell me I'm right, wrong, arrogant, amusing, or just plain good lookin', PLEASE respond to me in email. NOT through the jam. This is where I end this particular episode of the ytse soap opera (since I'm seeming to be the director of this episode). Please, don't post anything about this post or the recent issue that's meant to make me mad or to make me unsubscribe. Flames belong in private e mail. I will repeat my readiness to unsubscribe if that's what you want. Just don't make me waste anymore bandwidth.
- Rather Friggin' Disappointed
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