YTSEJAM Digest 2261
Today's Topics:
1) Re: TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IMPATIENT
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
2) If I wanted your opinion.....I'd give to 'ya :) (excessive imagination)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
3) various replies...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) OOOPS
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2260
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) Re: Vocalists being drowned by Guitars
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
7) OFFENSIVE LYRICS
by Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu>
8) offensive lyrics
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) Rush on MTV !?!
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2259
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) RE: Offensive Lyrics
by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
12) Offensive Music
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
13) Live at the Marquee and Majesty Demos
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
14) Re: Bill 'N' Ted's
by Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
15) Smoking and Singing...
by "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:32:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IMPATIENT
Message-ID: <199702101632.LAA18378@slash.toraix.can.ibm.com>
Jazzmin wrote:
> Just remember that SOME OF US were fans from When Dream and Day Unite. That
> was put out in 1987. IT WAS ALMOST TEN FUCKING YEARS LATER that we got
> another album, OKAY?
Yeah, but that's because Charlie Dominici sucked...DT still had to prove
something...ie, that they could sell records. And it was not even close
to TEN YEARS ... check your CD liner ya knob!
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:51:58 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: If I wanted your opinion.....I'd give to 'ya :) (excessive imagination)
Message-ID: <32FF522E.4DAA@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> they have more...ummm....important things to do (like sign more alternative
> acts) than worry about a less popular band on their roster <sp?>.
We've come to snuff the roster!!!!
> Vermont is a cultural black hole.
With some great skiing :)
> I wish! Most of those trucks don't even carry Dew! And only one sells
> cigarettes.
I'm interested in the apparent connection between DT fans and Mountain
Dew. Anyone want to share the history of this cultural phenomenon?
Perhaps DT could dew a song during which Mike's drum set is replaced
with cans and 2 litre bottles; as he plays, the shearing stress becomes
too much for the containers and the audience is showered by the precious
juice...
> I posted to the jam because I know some sick individuals find me amusing..
Careful, I resemble that remark :) I don't want ANYONE to unsubscribe,
by the way. Once you enter, YOU STAY! Skadz will be implementing this
feature in the next software upgrade
And in a few somewhat related stories...
> Can't we all just be dicks together?
I could be wrong, but the women in the group might prefer other
options...
> To be perfectly honest, I don't know who hurled the first dick.
Adam? :)
And now for something completely different:
The radiator in the office just uttered a cool harmonic! I felt awful
having to get facilities down here to re-tune it, 'cuz it rocked nadz...
> I'd hate to see Dream Theater get any heavier than they already are.
I'd like to hear 120VAC directly through the speakers. International
jammers, please substitute approriate voltages and frequencies so as not
to damage equipment :)
Regarding the Dream Theater clothing and recognition:
Yesterday at the local Ytselunch, I bunch of young ladies (9 year olds
:), didn't understand what "The Fix for 96" on Jeremy Hallum's shirt
meant. I wanted to show them the track marks on his arms, but thought it
a bit much for the little maniacs :)
I've spoken with a friend of mine who is a graphic artist and we
pondered the following idea:
I'm curious if anyone may be interested in DT underwear/lingerie. Now
picture, if you will, the stories which might come forth...
Mike's into boxing, so why not a pair of DT boxer shorts for the
holidays, for example :)
Other examples might include the Innocence Faded line stone washed
undies,
and the Erotomania line of edbile undies and I guess the flame-proof
Ytsejam starter kit would be in there as well..
Suggestions, anyone? :)
Regards,
Jon
'When asked why she was going out with the sadist,
the masochist replied, "Beat's me..."'
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:03:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: various replies...
Message-ID: <199702101703.MAA13947@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> > Also on the singing thing, I'd avoid carbonated beverages (I know
> > some of us can't break the Dew addiction).
>
> You're right about that. I have a tendency to drink way too much Pepsi, and when
> I go on just water for a few days I notice an immediate improvement - fewer
> problems on the higher end of my range, better sustain, less coughing in the
> middle of a line because there's too much phlegmn my throat.
Seriously. The caramel coloring <and sugar> coat your throat and give you
phlegm, much like the residue left by dairy products. Plus, the caffeine
will dry you right out.
> Steve Z said...
> ----
> This is probably the major culprit in this phenomenon. An instrument not
> meant to be amplified <the voice> performing not just with, but OVER other
> instuments invented to be amplified. It's just not fair.
>
> If we want to blame someone, we should blame the guitarists who insist
> that they have to turn up so loud "for the tone, man!"
> ----
>
> I just wanted to publicly thanks Steve for not blaming this on the
> drummers who insist they play loud "for the tone, man!" I'm sure
> that is what he REALLY wanted to say but didn't, since *I'm* on
> the list. :)
>
> / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \
Ha, ha. :)
No, drums are a naturally loud instrument. The only reason drums are
amplified is so you can hear them over the guitars! :P
> BAD! BAD! BAD!
>
> Forget the socially unacceptable bullshit, I know a lot of people who smoke
> say it's great for their stress -- whatever, who cares.
>
> I don't smoke (I suspect I would enjoy it if I started) because I have heard
> what it does to people's voices. Women in particular (think of Marlene
> Dietrich) -- shudder!
Seriously...
> Okay, so we get to the point where we notice that David Gilmore still has a
> very nice smooth voice and wonder what HE's been smoking... Dunno. It
His voice is only smooth because he's been smoking God-knows-what for so
long that he has gotten used to the ill effects of the smoke. His voice
has just ALWAYS been smoky.
> it, which makes you sound like a COW lowing. Is singing really something
> normal for the voice to do?
YES! Singing is natural. You want to see UNnatural? Look at ballet.
The human body was NOT meant to do those things.
> It feels SO good when you get it right, even just going ah-ah-ah-ah up
> or down the scale, whoa-oh-oah, oh-oah oah, whoa oh oahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
> (I love that part of LtL!!! Peg it every time!)
Yay! Me, too!
> singing. I don't know how Alanis Morrissette copped a grammy.
Hey! I like Alanis! :)
Last 'jam someone mentioned "The Anti-Nowhere League." I have been
looking for "Live in Yugoslavia" for YEARS!
Steve Z
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:44:47 -0700
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OOOPS
Message-ID: <s2ff0ac0.050@IOMEGA.COM>
Just reread my post and got the address wrong on laser's edge. It is
actually lasercd@aol.com. These guys are fast.
And I forgot to mention, I hope like hell DT doesn't settle on
producers and use Prater again. Personally, I like the band's
personality through instead of monotonous triggered snares,
over-produced vocals and buried bass lines. Sorry, but I don't care
for his work.
Wilmo
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:29:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2260
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970210103958.25828A-100000@enteract.com>
> your browser to http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ and follow the links to
> the music page.
Not just Wacky... Badd Ass. Check this URL out if you're a
guitarist and ya want to hear some of the list's talent!
> I just wanted to publicly thanks Steve for not blaming this on the
> drummers who insist they play loud "for the tone, man!" I'm sure
> that is what he REALLY wanted to say but didn't, since *I'm* on
> the list. :)
LOL
> Subject: Re: Offensive lyrics
There are some issues with this. Before we acquiesce to spew all
of the foul black fith from our cd collections at your mother, can you
explain in a little more detail what the purpose is? I don't want to help
any "mom squad" take out their kids' rights to listen to various bands.
:)
> From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
> Subject: TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IMPATIENT
Okay... she's goin' a bit psycho, and she's not necessarily
correct... but...
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> Subject: Re: TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IMPATIENT
> Um, my *original* WDADU CD says (c) 1989 MCA Records, Inc.
> Not '87.
> My Images & Words CD says (c) 1992 Atlantic Recording Corporation...
> Let's see, 92 minus 89 equals 3. Not 10.
> Can we please keep facts straight?
-----
What's the deal with this? Hostility! Don't take it out on a
jammer! Take it out on Elektra... start sending the POLITE requests for a
new DT album. I'm GUESSING the hostility is generated by the longing for
the new DT album, and that you aren't just going off on her for not
studying the release dates closely enough. :)
This was far more appropriate:
---- > Subject: Re: TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IMPATIENT > i dont know how that can be possible..wdadu dates itself 89' ..and I&W > dates itself 92' ... not even 5 years ... YOU BUNGHOLE! (J/K... I had > to add that, Carlos!) ----> For all of us non drummers, what are "triggered drums"?
A trigger is a little sensor that works very similarly to one key of a synth keyboard. When the drum is hit, the sensor sends a midi signal to some form of sampler or sound module, which in turn sends out a sound. This is used extensively by live drummers, because it's very hard to replicate that "great tone I had last week that the Vic Theater" when you're playing Bob's Beef and Burrito Live Music Night. It's used to give you the sounds you want without sitting around tweaking your mic positioning and drum tunings for hours. Drummers can tell you how much your drum head will retune itself when you go from sunny warm California to cold snowy New York.
Take Care everyone. Stop smelling the roses and START PETITIONING Elektra! eegmail@aol.com is it? I've sent my letter! Politely insist that they get their act together!!!
- Chris Ptacek of the Hill People
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:51:12 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Vocalists being drowned by Guitars Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970210134555.31007B-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
We all know that the poster of this message is just jealous because it takes more talent to play guitar then scream. It's much easier to become a singer. Lok at every pop singer out there? Oh, and, by the way, this is fact. Not opinion fact. Oh and, by the way, flame me and I'm unsubscribing. I know that threatens everyone. Oh, and by the way, I'm being a dick. Don't just be well, be fucking well. Matt B
Disclaimer: All statements in the above post are not the opinions of the writer, nor are they opinions of anyone the writer knows or associates with. The writer claims to have been possessed by an evil demon lurking her on Ytsejam. The writer is in no way responsible for any actions, hurt feelings, etc. occurring as a result from his last post. Bye-bye.
==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie)
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:53:27 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew P Robbins <robbins@aero.und.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: OFFENSIVE LYRICS Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.970210124525.99728B-100000@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>
Here's some more stuff that many would find offensive:
-Body Count (with Ice-T singing lead) -Anything by Ice-T, Dr. Dre, Snoop Doggy Dog or any other talentless gangster rapper you can think of -Sweet F.A. ("Daily Grind," etc.) -Spread Eagle ("Hot Sex," etc.) -Red Hot Chili Peppers -Babylon A.D. (name seen as sacreligious by some) -2 Live Crew (who could forget all the controversy they stirred up?)
~Matt
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 14:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: offensive lyrics Message-ID: <199702101920.LAA23390@pawn.ax.com>
Albums that are offensive to one person or another.....
all of them.....
Every single album can have something offensive with it, ranging from offensive Satanic lyrics, to offensive Christian lyrics, to offensive sex lyrics, to offensively pure lyrics....nevermind the offensive quality of music put out by some bands....
The point I'm getting at is that labelling something as offensive is difficult and SCARY...but we won't get into it...it's not worth it....
I forgot who put the request in originally, but I have no problem at all with his helping his mother out....
E-mail him privately though, please......
Thank you and good night,
Al Balkiewicz Constitution hugger :P
p.s. - please don't report me to your mother about my .sig... I get enough complaints from her! :)
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 14:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush on MTV !?! Message-ID: <199702101935.OAA194967@pilot06.cl.msu.edu>
Right now I'm watching an actual Rush video on MTV. Not just a Rush video, but an obscure Rush video for Distant Early Warning. I mean I would expect Tom Sawyer or Spirit of Radio or The Trees. Granted, it is on M2, but it's still an event of note. Question for Rush fans, I know p/g is the name of the main Rush IRC channel and I see it on Neil's drum kit. What's the significance?
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter
"Oh... Dis con nec ted. I'm... Dis con nec ted. feeling so Dis con nec ted. down. " -- Queensryche
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:36:11 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2259 Message-ID: <199702101936.MAA07205@goodguy.goodnet.com>
This is in regard to the Darkest of Winters post by Rob (IdleMinds@aol.com)...
You make a deliberate attempt to imply that I have deceived the buying public by not including Ronnie Scott's gig on this CD. That is absolutely untrue, and I don't appreciate the implication.
I made repeated announcements, LARGE announcements, VISIBLE announcements, here on the Jam, in public newsgroups, and now as a PERMANENT fixture on my web page, that the Tapestry disc (the Ronnie Scotts gig) was cancelled at the request of the band, and that I would be doing Darkest of Winters (from the Home for the Holidays shows) in its place. Furthermore, I offered to refund Tapestry orders instead of carrying the payment forward to TDOW, and in some cases I have done just that. I also offered to let people use their Tapestry payment toward any other CD I had available, and many took advantage of that offer. I have done nothing even the slightest-bit dishonest, and I believe I handled the unforeseen cancellation of Tapestry as well as anyone could be expected to handle it.
Also, I was in contact with band management last night about the delays in the album release, and I have to say I understand a lot better why we have all had to wait. I can't say much because my sources were pretty tight themselves with the info, but I can say that it's not the band's fault, and it's not the management's fault. Furthermore, the personnel changes took place at the label, not at management. There are a lot of obstacles in place right now for the new album, and any one of them alone isn't too tough to surpass, but all of them simultaneously has made it very difficult for the band to make any headway. I especially want to emphasize how stressed mgmt is about getting this thing done and finished, because their job is involved in handling what happens when there's an album on the shelves, videos to plan, radio stations to contact, and a tour to plan and execute.
Mgmt has promised to keep us up to date on the web site as this ordeal continues. I want to point out with this message that when _I_ say something and it turns out to be wrong, I'm the _first_ one to willingly correct myself, and fortunately most of you Jammers exhibit the same degree of integrity. If only that could have rubbed off on Jeremy Haynes... :)
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:48:47 -0600 From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Offensive Lyrics Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970210134847.006b769c@inxpress.net>
Anything by the band Anal Cunt "A.C." These guys will win hands down for being one of the most offensive bands. Just the name of the band says enough.
:-)
Matt
mattymo@inxpress.net Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 15:01 EST From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Offensive Music Message-ID: <m0vu1ul-000Av6C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Hmm, offensive music, you want, eh? Well, try Type O Negative's "Unsuccessfully Coping With The Natural Beauty Of Infedility" off the Slow Deep And Hard album. I'll try to post some sample lyrics in my next post. Anything off Carcass's Wake Up And Smell The Carcass. Morbid Angel......Bloodhound Gang. A cool Warrior Soul song called "The Wasteland". Sample lyrics to that go..."you don't buy what the government sells, the goddamn president can go to hell..I'm in the wasteland, mama, you know its true, no motherfuckers gonna tell me what to do". Ah, I could go on forever. If you want sample lyrics to the TON song, e-mail me at mcauburn@iinc.com
Don Compton mcauburn@iinc.com
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:49:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Live at the Marquee and Majesty Demos Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970210154838.6882A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Friends, I am interested in acquiring these two EP's. If prices are reasonable and there is access here or on any other of our represented continents, please let me know. Thanks. Be well. Matt B
==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie)
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:55:37 -0500 From: Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bill 'N' Ted's Message-ID: <32FE39C9.1118@ziplink.net>
Dale R. Newberry wrote (well, kinda):
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 00:05:47 +0000 > From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Burtnick > Message-ID: <199702100603.AAA16814@Walden.MO.NET> > > >Prater also produced Glen Burtnick's two 80's solo albums... > Hehe, that was the dude (GB) who did that tune on Bill & Ted's Excellent > Adventure soundtrack. WOO HOO!!!! > > Dale R. Newberry > Hmm...I thought I remembered hearing from someone a little while ago that it was Vai who did all the swell licks for the movie? Am I mental, or was that only for Bogus Journey or something?
Misha
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:38:02 +0100 From: "Rudy van IJzendoorn" <rudy.van.ijzendoorn@tip.nl> To: "The Majesty Chronicle" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Smoking and Singing... Message-ID: <m0vu2l9-000DnYC@parijs.tip.nl>
Hey there Jammerz,
Jazzmin Belle Sommers wrote:
>BAD! BAD! BAD! > >Forget the socially unacceptable bullshit, I know a lot of people who smoke >say it's great for their stress -- whatever, who cares. > >I don't smoke (I suspect I would enjoy it if I started) because I have heard >what it does to people's voices. Women in particular (think of Marlene >Dietrich) -- shudder!
I can't help but totally agreeing with Jazzmin here. I recently quit smoking myself, and I really notice that when I sing, my voice is getting clearer. It's just great not having slime in the back of your throat, so when you sing it sounds just awful. Just thought I'd mention this, cos it really struck me.
Jam On...
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