YTSEJAM Digest 2263
Today's Topics:
1) Wednesday is the 12th of February! Argh!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
2) SFK
by "A.R. Bell" <salyavin@ames.net>
3) Geoff Tate's voice
by Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu
4) Metropolis
by Swanson <swanson@henge.com>
5) OK - my turn now!
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
6) images and words, 5 years later- part one
by WildKoba@aol.com
7) Re: OK - my turn now!
by Omar Torres <kain@caribe.net>
8) Okay... I don't know it all...
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
9) rasmussen, no DTC
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
10)
by Creepella <Madi@tsrcom.com>
11) Hello Rush Question....
by Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
12) Re: Phone company charging us.
by Eric Hansen <Ehansen@apu.edu>
13) Re: Offensive lyrics
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) at the drop of a dime
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
15) Re: offensive lyrics
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
16) "Alternative" Metal, LIE single (DTC)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
17) Web page chock full 'o CDs
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
18) James not happy??
by Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
19) Al Balkewicz
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:26:01 -0500
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wednesday is the 12th of February! Argh!
Message-ID: <32FFCAA9.605F@bu.edu>
Hiya guys. I posted some info on a show I'm participating in on
Wednesday night. Yes, it's the 12th. I'm a big dolt. And now back to
your regularly scheduled programming.....
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:36:11 -0600
From: "A.R. Bell" <salyavin@ames.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SFK
Message-ID: <199702110134.TAA15427@brain.ames.net>
>The new DREAM THEATER album now has the working title of "Lines In The
>Sand". It should be out later this spring.
This was one of the entries on the latest SFK, a weekly AOR posting. Quite
a bit of it is useless, but there's usually good info on the bigger
prog/power metal bands. I've seen material on Queensryche, Fates Warning,
and Crimson Glory here recently. Anyway, just thought someone might be
curious. To subscribe, email SFK@ix.netcom.com with SUBSCRIBE in the
subject.
Later...
Aaron
salyavin@ames.net
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:07:19 -0700 (MST)
From: Rich.Rochelle@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Geoff Tate's voice
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970210190202.2360B-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Howdy folks, it's been a while since I've been on here, but I see that
things are just about the same (Hi Mike S!),
In any case, perhaps another reason that Geoff's voice has seemed to come
down in range is that he just doesn't practice that anymore. I mean,
maybe he's grown (not nec. good or bad) since his earlier, higher-pitched
days and that's not what he wants to do vocally. It's probably a combo
of all of the stuff mentioned (maybe he doesn't want to sing higher
because it's harder because he's older and because he smokes, blah,
blah), but I still like his style. GO RYCHE!!! Can't wait until March!
It's good to hear that James is taking care of himself, and I'm sure that
whenever the album arrives, it WILL be "good to hear" ! Hasta folks...
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:48:13 -0600
From: Swanson <swanson@henge.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metropolis
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970211014813.006d2600@henge.com>
Hey,
I've been working my ass of learning music for our first performance of
metropolis this Saturday. It is just an evaluation show for us to get
feedback on our arrangement. The music is not tight yet, and I'm not sure
that spectators are even allowed. Still, if you are dying to see Metropolis
performed by a percussion ensemble, we will be performing at Range View high
school(which is in Aurora, CO) at 3:30pm. I, personally suggest waiting at
least for the regionals a week from saturday. I will keep you posted about
time and place when that info is availible to me. And, hey, stick around
and say hi if you do drop by. I'm the dude with the long brown hair and a
pinstripe suit in the front line of pit.
And I'll keep you all posted on the regional competition information.
Later,
Cory Swanson
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:06:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: OK - my turn now!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970210220440.28153A-100000@rossby>
Hey everyone:
I'm still waiting for MY Superior CD. I have heard nothing not great
comments, so, hey DREAM DISC - where's my copy! I ordered it over a month
ago....
Jon Case
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:06:35 -0500 (EST)
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: images and words, 5 years later- part one
Message-ID: <970210230634_649323370@emout06.mail.aol.com>
hi there, i've been meaning to do this to pass the time between my next dt
cd, which utopianly would be a new dt album, but more realistically, one of
mr. bahr's creations.
i got the idea to do this after i pulled up i/w for the first time in a
while. and i wanted to really make some comments, and ask some questions and
yadda yadda yadda. here goes. i guess this will be a song by song analysis of
what i think and what not. if you get bored, tell to go away, and maybe i'll
go. whatever.
epilogue- the scenario- here is this little-known band called dream theater,
with this new singer called james labrie, and they want to prove something.
they wanna prove they can play with the big boys. i imagine they hoped this
would be the album that would spawn millions of of fans, crazed fans, who
eventually become hardcore fanatics and join some "internet mailing list"
called the "ytsejam". what the fuck is a ytsejam, anyway? anyways, they
really did want to something big, i think. i hope.
song one- pull me AHundAH, or the hamlet song.
whoa, what a cool guitar sound. it's so simple....and nice little
orchestrative touch, mingling drums, and than this cool synth line that makes
my watch virbate against the coins on my desk.....and then it builds up to
this louder flurry of theme a.....i'm going to like this no-name
band......and then there's that awesome part. the distorted guitar in the
begininng that sounds like eeyore taking a shit. it's so fierce. with this
dobule-bass drum. god, when was the last time i heard someone play 2 bass
like that. lars? neil?
one thing i instantly pick up is the sense of urgency in the music. that
little sequence right before "watch the sparrow falling..", actually that
whole segment of the whole song. the thrash part. why do i keep thinking
"living colour"?
the chorus- i love that part. the vocal harmonies are just fascinating. this
prater guy did a good job capturing the vocals and the guitar, i think. i
think the keys sound is a little cheesy, and the drums sometimes sound too
much like an august thunderstorm.
so the band goes off on this frenzy of mixing themes and subthemes, getting
pretty crazy, and then it gets chilled out again.
i think the essence of the song, the defining part to me is in 2 parts. the
keys solo before jp's guitar solo, and the double bass attack in the last
chorus. so desperate. so angry. so strong. i think moshing is sooo stupid,
but with this song, i feel like kicking people with my docs. bashing my head.
just going nuts.
this is song fascinates me in that it maintains this level of intensity
virtually all the way through. myung also impresses me. pretty laid back, but
just playing the right things. and then the end comes and then it
song 2- another day
the token mtv ballad. i really don't like the beginning of the song. i mean,
the lyrics are good, and what's that word i want......poignant? it's cute.
it's pretty. yet after doing my best impression of a disgruntled postal
worker and killing 390 people, this song, come on now?
oh wait, i feel it getting a little more tense. that spyro gyra sax guy does
some nice touches. but i still don't like it til.......it.....reminds me of
"these dreams" by heart.
ok....they're getting desperate again. getting louder. "better to save the
mystery..." i LOVE that quote. now jp's jerking off again. god, for some
reason this sounds so much better live.
so we've reached the end quickly. i liked that. quick song. good. sax solo is
awesome, and then portnoy does that little off beat triplet thing at the end.
i must have rewound and listened to that over about a million times to figure
what was going on there...this porn toy guy is pretty nifty with those drums.
he looks like a poodle-meets-geek, though. thank god for facial hair.
speaking of the pics, anyone else think that they look like.......pretty
girls? is this vixen? kevin might be the only one who looks somewhat like a
rocker. and don't even start me off on petrucci with his egyptian cross
shirt.
anyway, onto song numero tres, the taking the time song.
starts so ominously, and then there's this polygamous, er, polyrhythmic thing
going on with the rhythm section. pretty inventive. and then, AHHHHHHHH. the
double bass thing.
so this is the song they wrote together....boy, labrie sounds pissed.
good!!!! someone shit on his beer some more.
lots of guitar textures here. petrucci's playing really smart. not too much,
but really lush chords that fit beautifully with myung's runs.
the main thing i've picked up in the first three songs on the album is that
constantly high level of intensity. this is the song that comes closest to
messing it up. i've never been able to like it. i mean, it IS intense, but
popeye is something that shouldn't belong in prog rock. ok, ok...now they're
cooling it off. good, right before the instrumental section. and what did
that lithuanian guy say? geez. at least if they get samples, it would help if
they spoke english.
seriously, the instrumental section is really good. really tight. tightness
is important in prog rock/metal/polka. beautiful dual runs. man, how long
have they been playing together? of all 8+ minutes this song has to offer,
this is my favorite part. it does kick. and then the last chorus kicks in,
and the cute piano, and then they all jerk off on themselves again with the
jamming. yadda yadda yadda.
i'll stop here for now. i really would like to hear opinions and further
observations. what attracts you to ttt, or ad, or pmu? the rest of the album
will come in further parts, as i similarly may. enjoy. chew it. digest it.
and swallow.
ytsegoon
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david yoichi kobayashi
binghamton university
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"'so speak, i'm right here', she used to say to me not a word, not a
word...." -j. petrucci
"paddy, what a wonderful death abyss- tell the others." - d. bowie
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:23:00 -0500
From: Omar Torres <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: OK - my turn now!
Message-ID: <33000234.74C8@caribe.net>
Well I'm waiting too for my copy. So try to not think about it and it
won't be as much a suffering :) (yes, i know, it's hard...)
Later!
Omar Torres
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:33:52 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Okay... I don't know it all...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970211043352.00712f74@enteract.com>
Does anyone know for sure what the crapdump "you can ride the red until
everybody smiles" means? Please don't start with the solar powered car made
entirely our of sanitary napkins type comments (or the more obvious sicko
things that people have amusingly hinted at on #ytsejm <topic: "Not for
Kids!">) The best I can figure is that it's the red carpet, like at a major
award show, as in GrammyEmmyOscarAcademyBob's bowling ceremonies. The
"until everybody smiles" would make sense in 2 ways: either people like you
until shortly after the awards and then they're dying to put down your
movies/cds etc (i.e. hootie or Kevin Costner) because you're old news or a
one hit wonder OR 2). They realize you're the six fingered man and they're
so glad that they've been able to find you because Bob's last name was
Montoya and you killed him for the six fingered bowling ball... and that's
about enough outta me...
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:02:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: rasmussen, no DTC
Message-ID: <199702110502.AAA03063@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Just for the record: I think that Metallica's problem with AJFA (and
justice for all) is the mix, not the producer, the drums are good except
for the bass drum which is way too compressed. (That was to accentuate the
double bass work that Lars did at the time) Also, did Jason Newstead suck
then? They totally left him out of the mix. I can't hear any bass in the
album, if your car or home stereo has a great set of tweeters on it, you can
listen to the album. Just shut off the bass because the bass drum is so
compressed that you can't feel it at all. I would like to see the album
remastered and remixed. Was this album digital or analog? Later, J
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:06:26 -0600
From: Creepella <Madi@tsrcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970210230733.23372262@tsrcom.com>
>> singing. I don't know how Alanis Morrissette copped a grammy.
>
>Hey! I like Alanis! :)
Funny, I want the Canadian hag skinned alive!
Anyways, I'm still a relatively new DT fan, so can someone explain to my why
everyone wants Dave Prater's balls on a silver platter? Is he, like, the
reason their album keeps gettin delayed?
Write your letter today at : eegmail@aol.com
I've sent mine ( a nice one, not the demented shit I usually send)
>Subject: OFFENSIVE LYRICS
Face it, we live in a world now where uptight, anal dweebs and dickheads
find EVERYTHING offensive. Fairy tales (i.e. The Brothers Grimm), music,
Mark Twain, I mean, they're rating TELEVISION for God's sake! You can't do
anything anymore without offending someone, so there's only one thing to do.
F*CK THE BOZOS!!! Do whatcha like, when ya like. Just don't get arrested
doing it. And show respect if ya wanna get respect.
for Offensive lyrics:
MARILYN MANSON ALL THE WAY BUDDY!!!
>> few groups that actually promote violence, Marilyn Manson is the only one
I can
>> come up with off the top of my head.
>
>Speaking of Marilyn Manson, the music really sucks but damn they have the
>coolest videos. Really fucked up.
>
thE mUSiC dOEs NOT sUck, anD tHEy wANt tO pRoMOTE iNVIDuAlity, NoT VIoLEnCE.
SHUT UP.
But you're right about the ViDEOs, theY Are FucKEd UP in A BitcHiN SorTa WaY.
ummm...that's all for now.
Love ya,
Mari
Principla Skinner says the teachers will crack any minute, purple monkey
dishwasher.
-The Simpsons
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:09:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hello Rush Question....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970211000811.4003A-100000@copland.udel.edu>
p/g or pressure/grace or GRace is under pressure or Grace under
pressure!
andy
Andrew Miller Cigarettes,
ytsejam@Udel.Edu Burbon,
--or-- A N D
andym@dreamt.org Betrayl......
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:25:09 -0800
From: Eric Hansen <Ehansen@apu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Phone company charging us.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970210193926.00689b34@apu.edu>
>> Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to
>>impose per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that
>>your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network.
>>
> And so on and on.....
They've been trying to do that for years. I remember something like seven
years ago (back when we thought 9600 baud was the cutting edge), there was
talk about them taxing us for modem and fax use. It'll never happen. Just
how would they tell you were online anyway. Even if they did manage to
instate some kind of charge, It would be fun to hack around it. So would
Sprint Net bill there callers extra? Anyone else think the phone company
charges way the hell to much in the first place. And what the hell is up
with charging $1.50 at a non branch ATM? It's all electronic, less paper
work and so no extra employee to pay; who is that $1.50 going to pay
anyway?!! IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!! DAMN THE MACHINE....uh gotta go, FBI
knockin' on my door.....
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:18:07 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Offensive lyrics
Message-ID: <199702110228.TAA05593@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
> Danzig
> Slayer
> Morbid Angel
> Marilyn Manson
> Little Richard
> John Tesh
> Adam Sandler (not a joke here)
Some people can't take Sandler at all...
Don't forget to add...
Lawrence Welk
Dream Theater (A change of Seasons -- Mercy Fuck version)
On a serious note, I think the worst stuff I've ever heard was by
Lords of Acid. I should picked up that CD in Hasting's while I had
the chance. :P
> We all know that the poster of this message is just jealous because
> it takes more talent to play guitar then scream. It's much easier
> to become a singer. Lok at every pop singer out there? Oh, and, by
> the way, this is fact. Not opinion fact. Oh and, by the way, flame
> me and I'm unsubscribing. I know that threatens everyone. Oh, and
> by the way, I'm being a dick. Don't just be well, be fucking well.
Bahah...
There's a difference between singing and singing well, though. Same
with guitar players. I think the ratio is about even if you judge it
that way. I think the guy in control of the PA system is the most
responsible culprit. The guy in control of our band was the drummer.
We could be in a little 10'x10' room and he'd still amp his drums.
Beau (guitar) and I (bass, keys, and/or vox) could never hear
ourselves at all. It's why I got my own 150 Amp cabinet and stood in
front of it to hear myself. I'm surprised I can still hear. :P
Laterz!
Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by
KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized
reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of
the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott
chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:27:32 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: at the drop of a dime
Message-ID: <330065B4.28CC@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> ummm, Methinks you need to find a hobby. :)
They don't pay me enough to think :)
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - DT
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:48:49 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: offensive lyrics
Message-ID: <33006AB1.58E@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> I can think of very few groups that actually promote violence,
> Marilyn Manson is the only one I can come up with off the top
> of my head.
"Damage, damage, watch me as i SLAY.... I'm gonna knock you out!!!"
I'm wondering if anyone thinks that DOESN'T qualify?
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
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If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - DT
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:11:05 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Alternative" Metal, LIE single (DTC)
Message-ID: <199702111311.GAA39756@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
Hey,
WTF is "Alternative Metal"?! I just visited the Ibanez homepage and
found this listing for White Zombie, Fear Factory, and Danzig. Hmm...
shouldn't it be called heavy metal?
Also, anyone out there got a LIE single on CD or can get one easily?
I'm borrowing one from a friend and it rocks! I could tape copy it, but I
want it on CD. Let me know and we'll set up a trade or I'll buy it or
something.
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:28:34 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Web page chock full 'o CDs
Message-ID: <33007402.799@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Got this off another list. Looks like the Progressive Metal section has
some of what people have been asking for. They appear to be located in
Colorado Springs. Pretty nice design with the shopping basket concept :)
No idea how their prices compare, just passing the info along....
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - DT
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:48:10 -0400
From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James not happy??
Message-ID: <8525643B.004F9F25.00@smtp1.discovery.com>
Cliff Totten
02/11/97 09:48 AM
All this talk of James not happy with DT makes me shudder!
It would truly suck if he left.
Does anyone know the actual status of DT's record contract??
Is there a member clause that would FORCE someone to stay in the band??
( Atlantic records contractually forced Midnight to record "Strange and
Beautiful" for Crimson Glory)
Are they in some kind of contractual limbo??
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:56:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Al Balkewicz
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970211094845.3072B-100000@bdmserver>
Since Al Balkewicz has been posting quite often recently I would like to
send out a warning to all the new jammers. I apologize to all the old
jammers since they are sick of seeing this crap here.
DO NOT TRADE wil Al Balkewicz. He has owed me tapes for 3 years now. All
I have received from him is nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.
Do not trade with him since he is nothing but a RIPOFF.
If you are sick of seeing this here on the jam do not reply to the jam. I
feel bad enough that I have to post this here occasionaly.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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