YTSEJAM Digest 2262
Today's Topics:
1) Re: WDADU release (YTSEJAM digest 2260)
by Expeeler@aol.com
2) Re: Offensive lyrics
by Drummnstan@aol.com
3) Some replies and a bottle of pills
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) Re: Dead Producer(YTSEJAM digest 2260)
by Expeeler@aol.com
5) bullshit rumours
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
6) Re: Rush on MTV
by whiteman@arscorp.com (David Whiteman)
7) flex-able
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) So What?
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
9) Re: Offensive lyrics
by Drummnstan@aol.com
10) reeeeeee!: flex able
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Private E-Mail
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
12) cut off jams
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
13) B&T
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
14) I'm back
by jammer@websurfer.net (Jan-Michael Souter)
15) offensive lyrics
by jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James)
16) Re: offensive lyrics (Manson)
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
17) Superior disc IN MY HANDS BEEOOTTCHH!!!
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
18) Me, sick?
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
19) Re: If I wanted your opinion.....I'd give to 'ya :)
by William Rollo <rollo@pacificnet.net>
20) Squash the internet
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:57:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Expeeler@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: WDADU release (YTSEJAM digest 2260)
Message-ID: <970210153418_785077794@emout13.mail.aol.com>
WDADU was released in 1989 not 87 and I & W came out in 1992. It was three
years but they had to change singers in that time frame not just get a new
producer. I know that Kevin's death was a sad thing, but he died a while ago
and DT needs to find a new producer and get off their butts and get the damn
thing recorded out already while it's still possible to get it out in 1997.
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:57:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Offensive lyrics
Message-ID: <970210153605_1079619786@emout13.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 2/10/97 3:59:27 AM, you wrote:
<<So What -- Metallica (original band unknown to me)>>
OPPPS, I mean ANTI-Nowhere League
now here come all the gripes about bandwidth wasting, but i could care less,
all those great flames about wasted bandwidth are exactly that, Wasted
Bandwidth. Kinda Ironic doncha think?
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:58:38 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Some replies and a bottle of pills
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9702101546.f10572-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
> Subject: Dead producer?
>
> I'm sorry for being ignorant, but what's this about Dream Theater's
> producer dying? Someone they started work on the album with?
They originally wanted Kevin Gilbert to produce the new album. They sent
him a couple of demos and such, and then he passed away about a week
after their initial contact.
Incidentally, he did some mixing on Spock's "Beware of Darkness." I can
tell you now that I've heard his work that this was quite a loss.
----> From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> > Subject: Re: Offensive lyrics > > I like most of these, but they ARE offensive to some people: > > Startin' Up a Posse -- Anthrax
Oh, this one was just a joke. It was written intentionally to offend. Anthrax' lyrics are usually exactly the opposite.
> Almost anything by: > > Little Richard > John Tesh
Had me rolling here! :)
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> From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) > Subject: Lemur Voice > > Is their CD available domestically in the US yet?
Absoultely. Anywhere you can find Magna Carta stuff, you should be able to find this. I got it at The Music Arcade on Long Island when I was home for xmas break. *Great* store, btw, for anyone that's in the area.
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> From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> > Subject: Spock's Beard and other ramblings > > Got the new Spock's Beard last Friday. Noticed that they are now > on Radiant Records. I think this is their own label as the catalog
I would venture to disagree, only because Spock's is from CA and Radiant is in TN. Although, it *would* be cool if they had their own label. :)
> Oh yeah, If you have any of the SB albums, ever notice how clean > and clear the bass is? I think DT should have Neal Morse produce
Whoa!!! What a great idea!!!
> CD's. Listen to Alan's bass-Myung should be as clean and clear so I
Just ta let ya know - Alan's the keys/guitar player. Dave Meros is the bassist. But I agree 100%. These albums have one of the nicest bass sounds I've ever heard.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:59:25 -0500 (EST) From: Expeeler@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dead Producer(YTSEJAM digest 2260) Message-ID: <970210152729_582990746@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Kevin Gilbert (producer) died of auto-erotic asphictiation (sp).
In english it means he cut off his oxygen supply while jerking off and didn't return his normal breathing in time and suffocated.
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:10:14 -0500 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'Portnoy Mike'" <drummer@goodgroup.com> Subject: bullshit rumours Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970210211014Z-1675@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> Chris, >> Fret not! Just bullshit rumours as usual.... > > I hope that puts everyone's mind at ease regarding yet another ridiculous > rumor.
This didn't really seem to satisfy me. Where there are bullshit rumors, there is usually some discontent brewing somewhere, right ?? Maybe something that gets blown out of proportion, but *something*. And, this is hardly the first time for this same rumor. I would guess that something could easily be up although I hope that I am wrong.
This may be stating the obvious, but for all of his virtues (and I am a big fan - really), I dont think that they consider James to be 100% committed to the band. Reference the recent fanclub fanzine interview with JP specifically requesting more of James' input on the writing in the future. And the x-mas CD which requested more of a band presence of James, if even in a humorous air.
And it seems to me that James is one unhappy camper. In his interview in the fanclub fanzine, he came across as really bitter, defensive and insecure. Very unlike the personality of the other members from the (little) that I have seen and what has been told many times by others. I was surprised that this interview wasn't really discussed on the jam that much because it *was* DT content. Bitter and unhappy people normally seek change. I wish that things seemed different, but it would be unwise for DT to not have a backup plan.
Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
why ? because black looks cool. clean. sharp. mysterious. warning = dont drink dew or your nuts sssccchrink.
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:11:02 -0500 From: whiteman@arscorp.com (David Whiteman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rush on MTV Message-ID: <32FF8EE6.79AD@arscorp.com>
> I know p/g is the name of the > main Rush IRC channel and I see it on Neil's drum kit. What's the > significance?
"p/g" is shorthand for Grace Under Pressure, the album from which DEW was spawned. -- David Whiteman Applied Reasoning whiteman@arscorp.com 2840 Plaza Place, Suite 325 919-781-7997 Raleigh, NC 27612 http://www.arscorp.com
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: flex-able Message-ID: <199702102117.NAA25998@pawn.ax.com>
I'm REALLY bored at work so I have to make a quick comment...
picked up Steve Vai's "Flex-able" the other day for $8....I think it really has to grow on me, and I understand that this was his first album, recorded with some pretty ancient equipment, but I must say that the transition from this album to "Passion & Warfare" (which I assume was his next work) is like night & day.....it is definitely an album I'd only recommend to really devote Vai fans.....but it is cool to recognize some licks that were used in "passion".
just thought I'd throw this piece of info. for those who expect the typical, unreal Vai.....
-Al
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:31:29 -0500 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: So What? Message-ID: <199702102123.QAA04573@uhura.ici.net>
>So What -- Metallica (original band unknown to me)
Originally by the Anti-Nowhere League.
And while on the subject of offensive song lyrics, how about:
"Asshole" by Denis Leary
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_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html NP: Dream Theater - "When Dream And Day Unite" ______________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:35:27 -0500 (EST) From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Offensive lyrics Message-ID: <970210153430_-1274771769@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 2/10/97 3:59:27 AM, you wrote:
<<So What -- Metallica (original band unknown to me)>>
Origional band was The Anit-Nowhere League
Laterz, stan
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:34:16 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: reeeeeee!: flex able Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970210213416.0072f794@mail.inlink.com>
> > picked up Steve Vai's "Flex-able" the other day > for $8....I think it really has to grow on me, and I understand > that this was his first album, recorded with some pretty > ancient equipment, but I must say that the transition from this > album to "Passion & Warfare" (which I assume was his next > work) is like night & day..
definately.. i got it just a few weeks ago, at first i was so glad i'd only paid five bucks for it.. but now i really really like the disc... its totally experimental, remember vai was the guy who played with zappa now, and just all over the place... not exactly the type of stuff you sit back to listen to as back ground music, but really cool when you're paying attention.. i'd recommend checking it out... ~Rip
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Private E-Mail Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9702101623.g10572-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2260 > > > Subject: Re: Offensive lyrics > There are some issues with this. Before we acquiesce to spew all > of the foul black fith from our cd collections at your mother, can you > explain in a little more detail what the purpose is? I don't want to help > any "mom squad" take out their kids' rights to listen to various bands. > :)
Oh, it's nothing like that. Besides, I'm 24 and I live in a different state than my mother. :) Nonono, she just wants to promote a certain degree of awareness as to what some people are recording these days. Granted, we all have a different sense of what's alarming and what's offensive, etc. That's why I told everyone to imagine a room full of nuns hearing this stuff. :)
By the way, big huge thanks to everyone that has suggested stuff. But PLEASE, IN THE FUTURE, MAKE YOUR SUGGESTIONS OVER PRIVATE E-MAIL. Thanks. -d
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:18:41 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: cut off jams Message-ID: <s2ff4b33.050@IOMEGA.COM>
Anybody else getting these? So far I've gotten 3 of them in the last 4 days. Hell, I just get into the story and then WHAM! I don't get to read how it ends :< Skadz, I think you've got some 'looking into' to do here.
Wilmo
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 16:05:43 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: B&T Message-ID: <199702102203.QAA18355@Walden.MO.NET>
>Hmm...I thought I remembered hearing from someone a little while ago >that it was Steve Vai who did all the swell licks for the movie? Am >I mental, or was that only for Bogus Journey or something? Yeah, Vai did stuff for Bogus Journey (not to mention appearances by King's X, Faith No More, and Primus :). Burtnick did a song, i think it was "In Time" (correct me if I'm wrong) for Excellent Adventure, and maybe some guitar licks that weren't on the soundtrack, but in the movie (some cool-sounding guitar stuff when B&T were in the future ("Where are we, dude?" "I don't know, but they sure play excellent music." :)). Oh, and remember, Extreme was on that soundtrack, as well as the great Matthew and Gunnar Nelson ("Two Heads are Better than One," by Power Tool :), hehe.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 16:24:03 -0500 From: jammer@websurfer.net (Jan-Michael Souter) To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I'm back Message-ID: <19970210221816109.AAA463@[208.203.45.114]>
Sorry.... Divorce is a yucky thing..
My wife cancelled MY internet account last Friday and I just found out on Sunday so I had to get signed up on a new ISP (WebSurfer). While going through a divorce, and without credit cards, it's tricky to make certain purchases. Luckily WebSurfer in Dallas is only $6.99 a month.
Anyway, my point is that my new Email address is: jammer@websurfer.net
This post is mainly for those who I talk to and the two people I'm in the process of trading with. I hope you two both read the jams!! Anyway, we'll get hooked up again soon and pick it up where we left off, no thanks to my devilish soon-to-be-X-wife...
My tip of the year.... Watch Married With Children. Worship AL BUNDY !!! Sorry for no Dream Theater content. I won't have to do this again.
Jan-Michael
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 14:34:00 -0800 From: jsj@ix.netcom.com (J. E. James) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: offensive lyrics Message-ID: <199702102234.OAA05268@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
>if you're not sure whether the music you're thinking of is bad or not, >imagine a bunch of nuns hearing it, and then decide.
A bunch of nuns would probably have a heart attack listening to Voices, when it says, "Sex is death, death is sex."
I think this Awareness Day is a bunch of crap. If they would only target groups or lyrics that truly do promote violence of other things, then that would be ok, but I think these people that think that anybody who mentions violence or satan is evil or promoting something "bad" are out of hand. Black Sabbath's War Pigs mentions satan, and alot of people think Black Sabbath is this satanic band out to pollute the minds of the youth. Well, the Bible mentions satan, I guess it must be satanic also. Anybody with half a fucking mind could look at alot of lyrics that are considered offensive, and see that there is really a good message underneath, like War Pigs which is about how stupid war is. I can think of very few groups that actually promote violence, Marilyn Manson is the only one I can come up with off the top of my head.
Justin the High Cleric of Lickalick
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:57:13 -0500 (EST) From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: offensive lyrics (Manson) Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970210175518.24755C-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, J. E. James wrote:
> few groups that actually promote violence, Marilyn Manson is the only one I can > come up with off the top of my head.
Speaking of Marilyn Manson, the music really sucks but damn they have the coolest videos. Really fucked up.
Brandon
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:23:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior disc IN MY HANDS BEEOOTTCHH!!! Message-ID: <199702102323.SAA12150@web1.america.net>
FINALLY got my Superior disc from Dream Disc!! It's been a long hard wait, but well worth it (I knew it was already since "Credit Card Paul" Cashman has been pushing it in every cd player within site near me. hehe 8-} ).
Great work Bernd....I'm listening to it now, and as Mr. Pellaz will tell you, track 6 rocks nadz! Especially that part at the end where it goes into half-times and stuff: "dut dut dut dut dut duuut." 8)
Hurry and tour the states guys... we need some more bands like you. Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm /| / ||\ / || \ ______________ _ ______ _ __ __ //| || \\_____ _____| ||___ // |\ \/ / //_| || \ | || || | | || |/ ///|| \ / / __ || |\ \ | || || |__| || <//_|| / \ / / | || | \ \| || || __ || |\ \__ |/ /\ \ /_/ |_||_| \ || || | |_||_|/\ \ || / \_\ \ || ||/ \_\||/ \ ||/ \| "What is, is. What is not, is not. What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 18:38:32 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Me, sick? Message-ID: <199702102336.AA24630@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, I resent this that Chris Ptacek wrote:
>> I posted to the jam because I know some sick >>individuals find me amusing, and I wanted them to know that they were >>welcome to get my input on the situation.
Oh, so now I'm sick?! Is that it? Well buster, you're demented then. I find nearly every on of your posts humorous, but if you're going to call me sick, I'm not going to laugh anymore.
Andrew _____________________ When the music stops, There's only the sound of the rain...
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 00:30:47 GMT From: William Rollo <rollo@pacificnet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: If I wanted your opinion.....I'd give to 'ya :) Message-ID: <M.021097.163047.31285609@pm8-7.pacificnet.net>
>I'm curious if anyone may be interested in DT underwear/lingerie. Now >picture, if you will, the stories which might come forth...
ummm, Methinks you need to find a hobby. :)
Later!
- William Rollo - - rollo@pacificnet.net -
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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 19:44:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Squash the internet Message-ID: <199702110044.TAA08014@cliff.cris.com>
[lurk mode off]
Folks, I got this notice from a friend, and I thought it would be of interest here.
> Your local telephone company has filed a proposal with the FCC to >impose per minute charges for your internet service. They contend that >your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. > > Internet usage will diminish if users were required to pay >additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for >your comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send >your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you think. > > Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak >it in just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know here >this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. > > isp@fcc.gov > > Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all > our voices may be heard! > >Just passing it on . . .
-Rick Audet
[lurk mode on]
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