YTSEJAM Digest 2266
Today's Topics:
1) iron maiden mailing list and time machine
by flavio maia <fmaiap@construtel.com.br>
2) Re: al balkewics pt II
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
3)
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4) Re: al balkewics pt II
by Drummnstan@aol.com
5) blah..
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2263
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
7) Fan tribute.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
8) guitar dt parts
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) What the ????
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
10) Re: guitar dt parts
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
11) Superior / Nuno stuff
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) Therion
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Queensryche...ok I admit it ;)
by "Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin)" <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
14) Woo-Hoo!!!! (Superior) NDTC
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
15) DeeTeeCeeDeeRom, I&W vs. Awake, Da Box Set
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
16) offensive lyrics
by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
17) It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:31:46 -0300 (EST)
From: flavio maia <fmaiap@construtel.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: iron maiden mailing list and time machine
Message-ID: <199702120031.VAA11288@leon.construtel.com.br>
Does anyone knows the adress of iron maiden mailing list? Answer me off
list, please!!!
I wanna know how the band TIME MACHINE sounds like...Can you send me a *.wav
(not so long) of a good part of some music...I heard that it sounds very
closely to DT...
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:40:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: al balkewics pt II
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970211193640.23326A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 Drummnstan@aol.com wrote:
> <<I am pretty much convinced that I wont ever see anything. I guess you
> can't read very well >
>
> im not sure something like this is called for, obviously he can read cause he
> has picked up on the fact that he knows a deal hasnt been satisfied. thats a
> pretty harsh thing to say, would you tell a blind person that they cant see
> very well, or a deaf person that they cant hear very well?
It may be a bit harsh, but Pat has every right to be pissed off. A trade
is a deal. You're being a prick if you don't fulfill your end of the
bargain. I know. I was duped by The CDCellar and after six months, I have
not received what I paid for. I have contacted the attorney general about
this and am waiting for his reply. But back to the Pat/Al thing...if you
don't want to read Pat's posts about this, don't read them. But it is good
for newbie jammers that know who and who not to trade with.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:25:55 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970211202548.0068b9a0@ici.net>
> Are you sure? I have the single and the TTT demo is produced by
>David Prater. I was noticing this the other day and played it again
>and particularly listened to the snare. It sounds triggered there too
>to my ears. Does anybody know anything about this for sure? Let us
>know, I, too am curious about this.
It has triggered drums. What I *meant* was: I wish they would release a
version of it that DIDN'T have triggered drums.
THEN I could die happy. Sorry to confuse everyone. :)
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:29:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: al balkewics pt II
Message-ID: <970211202444_1146865589@emout11.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 2/11/97 8:01:24 PM, you wrote:
<<
this and am waiting for his reply. But back to the Pat/Al thing...if you
don't want to read Pat's posts about this, don't read them. But it is good
for newbie jammers that know who and who not to trade with.
>>
Brandon, im not saying that I don't agree with what you are saying, but there
must be a better way to tell everyone not to trade with Al other that the
defamation that was posted here.
laterz
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:42:52 -0500 (EST)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: blah..
Message-ID: <199702120142.UAA11126@osfn.org>
I picked up the new David Bowie cd (Earthlings) today... it is an excellent
cd... I recommend it to those who like industrial, but are not into bands
like NIN.. heh
-- And the solid book we wrote.. Could not be found today...------------------------------
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2263 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970211213303.104174A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> >The new DREAM THEATER album now has the working title of "Lines In The > >Sand". It should be out later this spring. > > This was one of the entries on the latest SFK, a weekly AOR posting. Quite > a bit of it is useless, but there's usually good info on the bigger > prog/power metal bands. I've seen material on Queensryche, Fates Warning, > and Crimson Glory here recently. Anyway, just thought someone might be > curious. To subscribe, email SFK@ix.netcom.com with SUBSCRIBE in the > subject.
It depends what you're looking for. To the die-hard prog fans, there isn't really anything mentioned in SFK that you can't find out here. But SFK is THE source for information on hard rock/ AOR. If I'm not mistaken, the whole Van Halen saga was first leaked to SFK way back when. If you're like me and you love hard rock (ala Poison, Warrant, Motley, Extreme, etc) then you should definitely subscribe.
Richie
P.S. This e-zine has nothing but the highest respect for DT.
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:40:37 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fan tribute. Message-ID: <199702120240.TAA34282@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
>HEY! Let's all get together and do a tribute album to the band!
I call ALL the guitar parts for LIE!!! I want to do those! ;p
hasta,
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:19:56 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: guitar dt parts Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970212031956.0074c0d0@mail.inlink.com>
> > I call ALL the guitar parts for LIE!!! I want to do those! ;p
ok, i get UAGM! or if i sit down an learn scarred one of these days i want that ! ;) ~Rip
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:33:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What the ???? Message-ID: <199702120333.WAA11942@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I HATE TO FLAME BUT THIS IS JUST STUPID.. LOOK WHAT HE SAID ABOUT PROMISED LAND!!!!!!!
Brian Kirk, Hey, Dude, thanks for pointing out the whole roulette thing. Man, I feel about as dumb as a box of rocks! I'm anything but a newbie when it comes to this thing, but my brain must have taken a nose dive after listening to that damn "Promised Land" CD. *Pee yew* El stinkola, as we say down here in Texas. Thanks again... I just wanted to help you illustrate what a lovely thing that FAQ is.. *grin* And in case there's anyone else who had a brainfart from hell... make sure to check D-man's FAQ page: http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo Cool? Kule!!! Sorry again for the attack of killer brain rot, Theatericians. Whoa, did I just make up a new word? Dream Theatricians... Sounds kinda cool.... Oh man, do I need a beer. *grin*
C-ya Jammurz,
___________________________________________________________________________
I had to say that this was a problem. I think he should stick himself in a closet have someone bound and gag him (cover everything except for his ears) and forse him to listen to Promised land again.. He may have a different opinion after that. Later, J
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:57:38 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: guitar dt parts Message-ID: <199702120408.VAA26831@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
> > > > I call ALL the guitar parts for LIE!!! I want to do those! ;p > > ok, i get UAGM! or if i sit down an learn scarred one of these days i want > that ! ;)
OK, as long as I get to do the keyboard parts for Learning to Live and Metropolis. :) Scarred wouldn't be bad, either, I'd just have to get offa my butt and learn 'em... No prob. :P
Laterz! Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:37:54 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior / Nuno stuff Message-ID: <199702120537.AAA09849@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Did all of you lucky bastards who have been posting "YEAH, I just got my Superior CD!" finally receive it from Dream Disc or did you order it elsewhere? My December 9th order from DD STILL isn't here yet. Hopefully though, there was big batch just shipped out from DD so I can get my hands/ears on a copy!
Someone in the last jam said something about hearing Nuno on Rockline Monday night. I guess I missed this. Is there anyone that recorded it that would be willing to trade a copy to me for something? Please mail me and I'm sure you'll find SOMETHING worth trading for - you ARE a DT fan right? :)
See ya!
PS - in the last jam, someone said something about having a big war between us jammers and each side would carry a different banner. We could have Images and Words vs. Awake or maybe Kev vs. Derek. Other ideas? Mercy Fuck vs. Fucking Shit?
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 22:00:29 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Therion Message-ID: <9702120600.AA09460@tengs1>
(this is verbatim to what I posted on on a.r.m-p, apologies for those here who read there for seeing it twice)
I just picked up _Theli_ today and I think it's freakin' rad (had to throw in an '80s-ism)! I kept listening to it, expecting a lull--- or a mediocre song, or some repitition, but I never heard that. A few times, the vocalist does a near-death growl, but most of the time, he's reminiscent of the singer for Nevermore (not the style of music though). Electric guitars, pounding drums, driving bass, violins, piano/keys, Gregorian-style chanting (actually, there aren't many lead vocals on this), this has it all. It makes what Believer did on _Dimensions_ look like Romper Room. Savatage fans would probably like this. A few times, it kind of reminded me of Mastermind II, as well... but the sound is unique. Is their other stuff as good, or near, as this? This bitchkitty ain't coming out of my player for a while.
Oh yeah, in case no one's mentioned it, I think Superior ought to produce the new DT album !^)>
Zach
"Only those whose lives are brief, can imagine that love--- is eternal."
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 10:30:39 +0100 From: "Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin)" <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Queensryche...ok I admit it ;) Message-ID: <9702120930.AA25238@zeusa1.desy.de>
Hi everyone,
John> yo, have any of y'all heard that queensryche will have a new John> album on march 25 called
John> "Hear in the Now Frontier"
Just thought I would throw in my zwei pfennig about this (heck I am in Germany so give me a break *grin*).
John> it's suppose to be a cross of empire and mindcrime
Well to tell you all the truth I have had the new QR for about 3 weeks now. I got an advance tape copy from a friend that has many friends in the industry (that is how I got the new Rush last year a month in advance).
Now I didn't like "Promised Land" at all. Ok it had maybe three or four good songs but nothing like the glory of "Mindcrime". But the new CD sucks even worse! All the songs sound the same and there isn't even a touch of metal throughout the whole thing.
It is definitely NOT a cross between "Empire" and "Mindcrime"! It is a cross between piss and shit *evil grin*.
On the other hand I have also heard three new Gamma Ray songs and they rock! Similar to stuff on "Land of the Free". Just wish Kai Hansen would write more songs. It is supposed to be released in May but I don't think that that will happen if he doens't get writing.
Anyway that is my little infomercial for the day. Talk to you all later.
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:49:48 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com Subject: Woo-Hoo!!!! (Superior) NDTC Message-ID: <199702120949.BAA00059@ms.kallback.com>
>I got my Superior CD yesterday!!! Shiiiiit, "these guys are fucking amazing!" >This is a MUST-BUY for anyone!!! They're all real good. And the singer rocks, >along with that *heavy* guitar. ---------- ok, I have to put in my $.02. I finally got my Superior too (yes, from Dream Disc) and IMHO it not quite worth all the hype. It depends on what you like. To me (non guitar player) it sounded like the same chunky Metallica riff guitar over and over on every song. (No offense to Bernd, who seems like a really cool guy, and great player, just not in the style I care for) Anyway, if this is what you like, it's great. Also there was not a lot of keyboards, and when there was,(to me, non producer) it was mixed way under the guitar. And not many guitar solos either. There were a couple of parts I really liked like the bass break on track 5 and what sounds like a pan flute on track 7. Overall, a little too heavy for my tastes. (ok, I'll go back to listening to Firehouse Unplugged:) ) This is my impression after one listening. I got Ricochet and Conception at the same time and I enjoyed listening to them more. (Not to say they are better musicians than Superior, how would I know?) Anyway, if you want to hype something, hype Angra! (need I say IMO?)
trevorw (hope I didn't offend anyone, you people are more sensitive than a pierced nipple!) Flashback CD of the Day: Styx-Paradise Theater
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:09:51 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DeeTeeCeeDeeRom, I&W vs. Awake, Da Box Set Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970212013949.60004A-100000@dante16.u.washington.edu>
Eat steak, eat steak, eat a big 'ol steer.
---- > From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM stuff, picky stuff, etc. > > Do we have any game programmers out there?? Because we could all work > together and make a DT game, sort of like the Queensryche "Promised > Land" CD rom! :) Here, I've got Kai's Bryce to make neat Myst-esque > landscapes...all we need is to kidnap the band for a week and make live > video clips to embed... And then we could include the new album as Disc > 2! Hmm.. "Dream Theater: The Search for Reasonably-Priced Studio Time!"
More like "Dream Theater: Rescue The Band From A Castle Of Crazed Ytsejammers."
The Ytsejam Castle Rescue Mission...rescue the band from a castle of crazed ytsejammers... Well, a castle of ytsejammers. ;) DT is held hostage until EastWest releases the new album! Find the reels of recording tape and mixdown the album yourself while ripping through 8,723 levels of carnage and mayhem! Weaponry includes the Myung EarthShakers boots which allow you to not only stomp through floors but also eliminates the need for key-cards as all doors can be kicked through! Tear your enemies in half with a size-84 steeltoe! With beautifully drawn scrolling hi-tech Quicktime braindancing lapis lazuli 3D graphics, this adventure is one not to be missed! Awarded the 1997 "Rakz Nodz" award by KorgX3!
As for I&W vs. Awake, I like them both. And I have every right to like them both, because after all, as a FAN of Dream Theater not connected to management and having no control over the individual members of the band, I'M the one who decides what direction their music is going to take. Favorite foods? Yeah, I decide that stuff too. Those guys even THINK about stoping at McDonald's they phone WHO? They phone ME. All I have to do is purchase their next album and I'm calling the shots on ICE CREAM FLAVORS. So they'd better get their act together and churn out some prog-country...
So anyway, I stopped by the studio over on Long Island to check up on the boys, looks like they're racking up another disc in that upcoming DT box-set (13 discs!). Yeah, the new album (1), a new version of Metropolis that clocks in at 74 minutes so it's a disc by itself (2), all of the Fix For '96 shows in their entirety (3-12), heck they even put in a remix of "The Apparition" with LaBrie on vocals, and boy does he hit those notes! "Adda-wadda-knooo-wa-slee-pa-nAOAOAOAOAUW!!" That and a bunch of other trinkets are on a special thirteenth disc (oooooo--bad luck!) of oddities and endities. They said they got a deal going with Time Life to release each disc as a monthly installment, free with your paid subscription to Time. Just like the Mysteries Of The Unknown series...
"Hey, you hear about that 6/8-5/19 time change over the A minor aeolian?"
"No! They actually did that on the album? What happened next?"
"PLAY THE DISC."
Waltzing BafuUUuUUuUU
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:03:27 +0200 (EET) From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: offensive lyrics Message-ID: <199702121103.NAA26329@id4.sci.fi>
Tell me one reason why I would name bands with these kind of lyrics to you ? I am so fed up already with all the censorshit that I don't want more of it. Older ppl always try to take the music away from younger gene- ration. And all kinds of other stuff. I wouldn't NEVER help MY mom if she did something like this !! It's our right to listen to whatever we want to and not let anyone else tell us what is forbidden. Where is the freedom of speech ?? Sorry about this, but when older ppl are interes- ted in something like this it's usually about censorship. I don't know what your mom is after of course..but I HATE when they put down the bands I love ! Eventho I love Marilyn Manson and all those scary f*cking crazy bands it doesn't mean it makes me kill people and act like they do. These persons who are against all these lyrics should already realize that if a person gets affected from the lyrics there's something wrong in that persons head. Otherwise all of our parents would be out killing ppl 'cos they heard a line from your Deicide record...sorry, got carried away here, but I believe that there should be the freedom for anyone to express their feelings. It's strange how often I see that americans are fighting over the censorship when your country should be "the land of the free.." and over here there's so much more freedom to say what you feel. World sure works in funny ways..
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:13:13 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: The ones who help to rock the nadz <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money Message-ID: <3301CFF9.11EA@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> > Subject: Metropolis Part 2
> I am an obsessive DT fan
Isn't that redundant? :)
Seriously, welcome to the musical oasis!
> Has Metropolis Part 2 been written and if so, does > it have a chance of being on the upcoming album?
It has, and from what I hear, Metropolis is still thoughtfully smiling...
After waiting long enough, though, I just gave Brian Wherry the rights to my first born (and a first round draft pick) to just do it; go to Mama Kin's tonight and catch him perform it in it's entirety.
For those who don't know, Mama Kin's was formed as a result of Aerosmith wanting a place to have local talent showcased.
Seriously, Brian is not to be missed, folks. The man knows how to shred. If I find out someone didn't go for some stupid reason like a final exam or something, I will hunt them down!
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
> LIke I said in a previous post, if you are sick of this dont reply > BACK TO THE JAM.
It actually helps me out immensly. See I'm in digest mode, and sometimes all it takes is an extra post or two to nudge the next digest my way :)
> From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
> But did you leave out the Space Dye Vest because it's already been done?
It has? What's it made out of?
> Maybe people who wanted to be in on it, but who don't have time or talent, > could contribute bucks/quid/yen/marks/dollars/box tops/betty crocker points.
Do you accept Marlboro miles? I have a talent for accumulating them.
> From: Drummnstan@aol.com
> The part that doesn't jive would be "everyone smil[ing]" > about the fact that you're losing your shorts...
Unless "everyone," in this case, is the casino staff :)
> From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
> what's the fun in a bunch of people "sitting" around agreeing with one another?
Indeed. It's not the pitch, but the delivery.
> Like it or not this mailing list is a community.
I LIKE it! Good post, Kev.
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