YTSEJAM Digest 2275
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2271/DT Tribute
by Drummnstan@aol.com
2) Re: For those who can't make it to AZ!
by Drummnstan@aol.com
3) Come on, Al !!!!!
by Martin Schoch <mdschoch@bellatlantic.net>
4) Re: For those who can't make it to AZ!
by Drummnstan@aol.com
5) ***Tribute plans***
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
6) I want to be involved damnit!
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
7) Maybe not *so* bad after all/addy change
by "Brian Henderson" <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
8) Let the Juggernaut
by "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
9) Re: For those who can't make it to AZ!
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
10) DT tribute
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
11) dt trib, part III
by "The Cow God" <dmc@dreamt.org>
12) DT DROPPED?
by Surrounded@aol.com
13) Pachabells Cannon.
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
14) progrocker@aol.com
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
15) Guess what? Tribute post.
by jeffrey wilson hill <jwhill1@students.uiuc.edu>
16) ********README***********
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
17) Re: Transportation to AS
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
18) dt tribute, vince please read.
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
19) dt tribute, vince please read.
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
20) Idea(s) for Tribute
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:04:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2271/DT Tribute
Message-ID: <970213210424_-1106922517@emout04.mail.aol.com>
lets get really freakin nutz and cover ACOS. anyone up for it???
laterz,
stan
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:07:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: For those who can't make it to AZ!
Message-ID: <970213210740_-1408344849@emout14.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 2/13/97 6:29:36 PM, you wrote:
<<I emailed the guy who donated his studio and he said this:
> Hey there! I love this idea of recording and stuff. However, I think I'm
>> going to find it difficult to get to Arizona to record my parts. I'm a
very
>> average college student meaning I'm short on cash. Any ideas on how I can
>> contribute to the album, but yet record the drums near me. I'm in NH. I
>> can get into a studio although that's going to cost money too. I can shop
>> around, but I need the recording format. (Type of source like 8mm, or
dat,
>> etc.)
>> If I could find a relatively low cost/good quality studio for my drums, I
>> could record it and send you the source tape.
>> Let me know.
>> Tony>>
wasnt the origional idea on this whole thing just to basically record all the
parts on Zip discs and send them to someone to mix as a tape????
laterz,
stan
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:48:42 -0500
From: Martin Schoch <mdschoch@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Come on, Al !!!!!
Message-ID: <3303C47A.1EE8@bellatlantic.net>
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:14:05 -0500 (EST)
> From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>
> Are you sick of seeing me bash Al Balkiewicz for ripping me off?
>
> I asked him point blank whether he will ever compensate me for the videos
> that I sent him. He refuses to answer the question.
Pat - I've been following the saga for many years now, too. I only hope
that it reaches some resolution.
Al, send him something !!!!!!!!1
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:11:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: For those who can't make it to AZ!
Message-ID: <970213211137_-1441900812@emout15.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 2/13/97 6:50:27 PM, you wrote:
<< I second that! So DAT = standard media for our recordings? Sound
good?
Laterz,
>>
well, since i have no access to a DAT i don't know if i can hang with all of
this, i really want to do this but cant if you are going to stick to DAT,
anyway i can use a ZIP and send it to someone to run it down onto a DAT???
Vince help me out here.
laterz,
stan
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:29:21 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ***Tribute plans***
Message-ID: <199702140229.TAA46394@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
Hi all,
Hector and I talked tonight, and we came up with a rough idea for
how to do this tribute thing. We want to get this thing done, we're serious
about it, and we have a timeline set for the summer right now. Let's get
all the people that are local (AZ jammers) into the studio as quick as
possible to get their recordings done. I mean within the next two months.
Here's the biggie, let's set up something like a Ytsecon IV here in Tucson,
AZ in June. I don't know how to organize one, nor do I have the time, so
I'm asking for help here from people who've done this before. From there
we'd take people into the studio to record their parts. Basically whoever
is signed up for a part and/or comes to the Ytsecon. After that, we'll try
some of the mailed-in tapes and see if we can put them in the mix correctly.
We're requesting ADAT tapes from people doing mail-ins. I'm sorry if this
causes some problems for those of you out there with tight $$$ (I DO hear
ya!), but we want to make sure this comes out good, steady, and tight. If
you want my address or Hector's for the mail-ins, private e-mail please.
If you can't do a multi-track recording, then I suggest this:
1) Get a good metronome and a set of headphones.
2) Have the click track go through the headphones, but not out in the open.
3) Open mic your amp/drum kit/PA/etc., and record what the mic picks up.
4) Count off 1, 2, 3, 4 or 1, 2, 3, or whatever (vocally) to start off the
song. That way we can synchronize your tape with the rest of the recordings.
5) PLEASE know your part like the back of your hand. I don't want to turn
away someone because their part just doesn't cut it. I'm a nice guy and I
hate to have to play the asshole. We've got enough time between now and
June that almost anyone on here that wants to play can learn their part(s)
really well.
The reason we ask for ADAT is so we can have more than one channel
and it's compatible with what we already are set up for. We want a person
to record their parts on one channel and record a click track on another
channel. I dunno much about these because I've never used ADATs before.
Hector has. He can answer any questions you might have about ADATs and our
recording equipment.
Hector, you said you've got access to all that amplifier/drum/bass
equipment, my question is can all the ytsejammers dropping by to record use
it, or will they have to bring their own gear?
Back on track, We're going to shoot for high quality here. We know
we're not Dream Theater and most of us (Marcel and a few others excluded)
are not professional musicians so we know it won't be perfect, but we're
gonna be pretty nit picky. I guess the only advice I can give is that if
you're gonna send a tape, be satisfied with it. I feel that a person is
his/her own worst critic, and if they are satisfied with it, others will be
blown away. For example, Hammett from Metallica absolutely HATES some of
his old work, he isn't satisfied with it. To others, it's what defined
thrash guitar. To each his own.
Last, MIKE BAHR, we need to talk. You and Hector and I need to get
together in person to discuss things. You're experienced in the CD making
thing, you're local, and we need your input and your help.
Later guys,
Peace be with yuz'all and God bless,
~Vince
p.s. Lots of ytse-heat here in the summer!! Prepare ye selves! Big Ytsejam
pool party & recording session. :)
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:35:33 -0500
From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I want to be involved damnit!
Message-ID: <3303CF75.4889@net1plus.com>
Earlier today I e-mailed Vince and asked if I asked if I could snag the
guitar part for Metropolis (or ANY guitar part for that matter). So
Vince if you're out there, do I get it? I really want to be a part of
this. I'm a guitar player of ten years, so I have the ability. Again,
7-string stuff is no problem since I have a Universe. If all the guitar
parts are taken I'll do voice samples or something like that. I just
want to be involved guitar-wise so JP can listen to it and go "Man this
brother is kewl!" Please don't go (and record the tribute without my
involvement)!
-Jon Dery
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:46:38 -0500
From: "Brian Henderson" <Cyberburlap@icdc.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Maybe not *so* bad after all/addy change
Message-ID: <199702140249.VAA04974@darkstar.icdc.com>
My Apocalypse order came today, finally. I guess writing him a physical
letter did the trick. While I never heard reply from him, I did get the
CDs which is the important part (and what great CDs they were -- Iced Earth
and ANGRA!!! ("They're Dream Theater good!")). My thanks to all those who
gave me advice on dealing with the guy.
Summing things up, while Apocalypse may not be completely awful, I would
hardly reccommend it to anybody. Stay clear if you can, my prettiesss.
To any of you who care, mein address has changed. No longer am I my
father. The new addy? cyberburlap@icdc.com
Brian Henderson, Registered Cyberburlap
cyberburlap@icdc.com
"I love everybody, but I hate everybody. Straight up." -- B. Pouncy
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:50:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
To: Fucknuts <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Let the Juggernaut
Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.95c.970213184635.1234A-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
that is the Ytsejam be felt! OK kids...we're all equally tired
of waiting, so let's flex our collective cyber-muscle and
DO something.
NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW!!
At the URL http://www.prognosis.com/petition/index.html
is a petition to get East West of their asses and get Dream Theater
into the studio. We did this once, and, with more subscribers than
ever, we can do it again.
Do it now. Then have a self-congratulatory sandwich. Wasn't that
good? Hmm??
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org
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The Weaver and the Web that he made : The youngest of the
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to escape from isolation : You've drowned in your soul's
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of the Green Shield stamp and shout : Searching for the
answers but there's D A M A G E
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:38:03 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: For those who can't make it to AZ!
Message-ID: <199702140238.TAA24494@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
I'm posting WAY too often now!! This is somewhere around my 6th or 7th
*today*, I think.
>wasnt the origional idea on this whole thing just to basically record all the
>parts on Zip discs and send them to someone to mix as a tape????
(Recognize this, Stan? :)
Okay for those of you w/o ADAT, use the recording process I
described in my last post and record to a .wav file at NO LESS THAN 44 KHz.
This file may be upwards 90 megs or so. Put it on a ZIP drive disk and send
it my way. I'll take it to the studio and see if it can be fit into the mix
correctly. Sound good? I dunno if this will work, but I'm more than
willing to give it a shot.
Later,
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:59:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tribute
Message-ID: <199702140259.VAA07774@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I am more than willing to play on Metropolis and The Silent Man. Let me
know. J
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:02:47 -0500
From: "The Cow God" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: "Valhalla" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: dt trib, part III
Message-ID: <199702140253.WAA08891@mail.caribe.net>
hey. on second thought, i think i can play the solo in Ytsejam, since it's
mostly tapping. ok, so vince, put me down for guitars in Ytsejam. there,
it's official. This is gonna kick ass :) Can't wait to hear the finished
product. Lets all do our best to make this work. OK, i'm out.
Moo,
- T#êÇöwGõÐ -
--"You can rearrange my face but you can't rearrange my mind. You can beat this shell about me but you can't touch what's inside." - PropaGandhi
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Surrounded@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT DROPPED? Message-ID: <970213220649_1147109031@emout06.mail.aol.com>
I've been hearing from several (reputable) sources of mine that Atlantic (E/W) decided to do some house cleaning and DT has been dropped from the label.Can anyone fill me in.I'm a traveling musician(5-string bass and keyboard sequencing/triggering) and sometimes I miss out on the music happenings of my favorite band.Can someone fill me in on this and anything about the new release.. Thanx!!!!!!
YTSEJAM & DT--noone can touch it....... (I only wish I could keep up with it more!!) Peace & LATE------------Dennis
E-mail: Surrounded@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:09:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pachabells Cannon. Message-ID: <199702140309.WAA08927@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
The most amazing thing is about to happen. A band from New Hampshire called "Thanks to Gravity" and they are putting out a major label debut. They do a cover of the song done in rock format. The Lead man, Andy Happell (Acoustic Guitar, violin, vocals) plays violin while a keyboardist follows him, the song actually has vocals too. If you are interested (I hope you are and I promise you won't be disappointed) Let me know and I can hook you up with a copy. Let me know. J
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: progrocker@aol.com Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970213220905.466B-100000@breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu>
oh, so you're actually on this list?? Cool.....you musta been stoked when the one guy semi-slammed your band as sorta boring and then a bunch of Jammers (myself included) came to yoour defense.......
Anyway......any chance you could tell me what Matt's (your bassist) e-mail addy is? He out it on the package i got from you, but I lost it too soon after getting the tape....and sorta want to actually reply to that address.....
Is there any PoO news? Anything going on with the band in terms of contracts or new material? I for one would be reeally interested.....
partha
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:17:20 -0600 (CST) From: jeffrey wilson hill <jwhill1@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guess what? Tribute post. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970213211416.156B-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
Sorry about that last message, I accidentally included the entire last jam = ( I hope the gateway refuses it (although I doubt it since pretty much anything gets by it). I was wondering how the tribute CD is going to be distributed. I would contribute, but I'm only a part-time bass player, and I could only do Erotomania (- the solo : ) or UAGM. I think it would be funny if those doing the CD could get it done before DT finally releases the new album.
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ********README*********** Message-ID: <199702140342.WAA02716@newman.concentric.net>
Here is a little notice for all of you Ytse-Skimmers.... people who don't read the Jam but skim for highlights. Last I checked, there were less than 200 entries, so maybe the volume needs to be pumped up a bit......
***************************************************************** PETITION! ***************************************************************** BE HEARD! ***************************************************************** http://WWW.PROGNOSIS.COM/PETITION ***************************************************************** PETITION! ***************************************************************** BE HEARD! ***************************************************************** http://WWW.PROGNOSIS.COM/PETITION ***************************************************************** PETITION! ***************************************************************** BE HEARD! ***************************************************************** http://WWW.PROGNOSIS.COM/PETITION ***************************************************************** PETITION! ***************************************************************** BE HEARD! ***************************************************************** http://WWW.PROGNOSIS.COM/PETITION ***************************************************************** PETITION! ***************************************************************** BE HEARD! ***************************************************************** http://WWW.PROGNOSIS.COM/PETITION ***************************************************************** PETITION! ***************************************************************** BE HEARD! ***************************************************************** http://WWW.PROGNOSIS.COM/PETITION *****************************************************************
Thanks for your support.
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:05:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Transportation to AS Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970213230355.15880A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Hey, Can anyone from around the Bay Area get me to AS if they're going? I could try to arange to go through there on the way home from school, but don't know. Please please please respond. Be well. Matt B
==================== "You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The Great Muppet Movie)
"Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime, Transformers the Movie)
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 22:12:16 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dt tribute, vince please read. Message-ID: <3303e61b3856002@cliff.ou.edu>
Vince wrote: > > Hector, we need to talk. My phone # in Tucson is (520) 695-0483. >I'm trying to organize this sucker and you're recording it, so I think we >need to be in pretty good communication here. What is your phone # in Nogales? >
With all due respect, Vince, I came up with this idea. I'm organizing it. I have had lots of experience coordinating (and promoting) major media events -- I'm not just some bitch who wants to control everything.
Please let me know, jammers, if you're interested (I'll keep updating the list). When one person takes it upon himself to determine the set list without asking if people 1)want to play those songs and 2)CAN play them, things start to fall apart. It hasn't been a week yet and already Someone has tried to botch things.
Everyone (yes, even Vince) is asked to participate in some way or other; it would be cool if we could throw a Con into it also. Right now we are in the planning stages, and it is too soon to limit ourselves. In a couple of weeks enough people should have stepped up (leapt at the chance?) and then we can pare down the list. From posts, it is obvious that we'll be doing Erotomania and UAGM and Metropolis, but are we going to tell someone who is able to play four parts on SDV that we aren't going to do it because it wasn't on a list proposed the second day? I don't think so.
Let's have all hands up by 28 February -- that's a Friday. THEN I'll list the songs on the jam, and we'll take a poll for the undecided stuff. This is a tribute FROM THE YTSEJAMMERS, not from one or two people. All of us should be in on the decisions.
Jazzmin
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 22:12:18 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: dt tribute, vince please read. Message-ID: <3303e621387f002@cliff.ou.edu>
Vince wrote: > > Hector, we need to talk. My phone # in Tucson is (520) 695-0483. >I'm trying to organize this sucker and you're recording it, so I think we >need to be in pretty good communication here. What is your phone # in Nogales? >
With all due respect, Vince, I came up with this idea. I'm organizing it. I have had lots of experience coordinating (and promoting) major media events -- I'm not just some bitch who wants to control everything.
Please let me know, jammers, if you're interested (I'll keep updating the list). When one person takes it upon himself to determine the set list without asking if people 1)want to play those songs and 2)CAN play them, things start to fall apart. It hasn't been a week yet and already Someone has tried to botch things.
Everyone (yes, even Vince) is asked to participate in some way or other; it would be cool if we could throw a Con into it also. Right now we are in the planning stages, and it is too soon to limit ourselves. In a couple of weeks enough people should have stepped up (leapt at the chance?) and then we can pare down the list. From posts, it is obvious that we'll be doing Erotomania and UAGM and Metropolis, but are we going to tell someone who is able to play four parts on SDV that we aren't going to do it because it wasn't on a list proposed the second day? I don't think so.
Let's have all hands up by 28 February -- that's a Friday. THEN I'll list the songs on the jam, and we'll take a poll for the undecided stuff. This is a tribute FROM THE YTSEJAMMERS, not from one or two people. All of us should be in on the decisions.
Jazzmin
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:27:00 -0500 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Idea(s) for Tribute Message-ID: <3303E994.218A@enter.net>
Here is a plan I think we might be able to run off to make this CD take place.
A) Everyone that CAN'T got to AZ or part B, record your part of DAT
Date: Anytime before D
B) Someone in Tennesse said they had access to a studio. Set up a few weekends there for any East/Midwest Jammers that can't go to AZ
Date: Spring
C) This would only be possible if someone on the East coast can get access to a studio, but do the same thing as B, but on the East coast (anyone know the guys in Shadow Galley, they should be done with their stuido soon - BTW it's in Allentown, PA hour from Philly)
Date: Spring
D) Ytsecon IV in AZ with recording sessions.
Date: Early Summer
E) Mixing/Producing/Put this shit together
Date: Summer
F) Put it out on CD.
Date: Summer/Fall
---------------------------------------------------------------- This is just a suggestion, but I like to plan things ahead and see what is possible and what is not.
I think we can do this. And with a little bit of sweat and desire and a little help here and there. ----------------------------------------------------------------
I also have acees to a home recorder. But I want to fly out to AZ (as long as someone can pick me up at the airport).
Also I know I drummer that might be handle any of the parts, but she only would do it, if we need it---she's not a ytsejammer nor a huge DT fan, yet (her brither is so he could do it too---I forgot).
More ideas to come.
Bruce D.
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