YTSEJAM Digest 2280
Today's Topics:
1) PL, tribute
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
2) DT International Fan Club question
by JE78674@ltu.edu
3) Petition
by Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2278
by ShekinahSP@aol.com
5) Voice priorities
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
6) Re: Petition
by Drummnstan@aol.com
7) Re: Fareness
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
8) Re: Awake live
by Omar Torres <kain@caribe.net>
9) Petition
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) wait for sleep --- tribute
by matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
11) Spock and Kirk
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
12) **IMPORTANT** EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
13) Re: DT DROPPED?
by Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
14) Re: Labrie
by RubyRube@aol.com
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2278
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
16) DRUMS FOR TRIBUTE
by Philip Kaplan <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
17) The Petition Thing
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
18) Shadow Gallery - cheesy???
by "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
19) awake live
by flavio maia <fmaiap@construtel.com.br>
20) Re: awake live
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
21) Re: Taco Bell employee / tacobeli
by Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:57:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PL, tribute
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970215004616.28630I-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
I agree with the earlier comment about PL being the soundtrack to my
life. I know I was disappointed with the album the first time I heard
it, so I put it on the shelf a while (understandably, considering I
received Awake on the same day - I listened to that 2 or 3 times a day
for the first month, just like I&W). When I went back to it, it really grew
on me. I could really identify with it. Then I went on a QR kick and
bought all the rest of their CDs (I only had the tape for Empire and
Mindcrime - which I ironically did not get hooked on until 2 years after
I bought it!).
As for the tribute idea. I think it is great. I wish I could
contribute, but alas, I cannot. I plan on picking up a bass this
summer. Any suggestions on what I could get? But I do plan on buying
at least one copy (probably more) of this tribute album when it is done.
So you can count on me as a consumer of the wonderful product.
***Rob***
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:01:17 -0500 (EST)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: DT International Fan Club question
Message-ID: <01IFFEZN5P3M8ZERFD@ltu.edu>
Hi Jammers, got a question about the DTIFC.....
I sent in my order/information some time before the new year.....and
still no response. To any current members, is this a common thing? A
friend of a friend had told me he sent a order in and NEVER received any
response......I'm just curious....I'd like to get my hands on a fanzine
sometime in the near future.....
Thanks,
Jeff E
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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:05:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petition
Message-ID: <199702150705.XAA15972@iberia.it.earthlink.net>
Well, the DT petition now has almost 400 posts!! Way
to go people! :) But it still needs a LOT more signatures
to be effective. If you havn't yet, PLEASE go sign this
petition so maybe we can get a new Dream Theater album
out soon! Tell everyone you know about this, e-mail
your friends....whatever it takes to get a ton of
signatures! Thanks guys,
Ryan
Dream Theater Petition: http://www.prognosis.com/petition
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:39:42 -0500 (EST)
From: ShekinahSP@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2278
Message-ID: <970214183457_1015897206@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Please take me off your mailing list.
Thanks!
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:13:27 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Voice priorities
Message-ID: <199702151113.EAA02374@goodguy.goodnet.com>
It just hit me... I could smack myself for not noticing this
sooner. All of you arguing about vocal parts... don't. Just do the harmony
part (whichever has the better harmony voice). You can add to it as well,
if we do it well. Just think... DT, Galactic-Cowboys-style. :)
I can play bass on Take The Time, as well as a bunch of others, if
need be. The secret not many people know is that playing the bass is
pretty easy compared to every other instrument. I've played the guitar for
8 years and the bass for 3, and I'm so much better on bass that there's no
possible medium of comparison. It's just the simpler instrument.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:55:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Petition
Message-ID: <970215095525_-1575323073@emout09.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 2/15/97 2:16:59 AM, you wrote:
<<Well, the DT petition now has almost 400 posts!! Way
to go people! :) But it still needs a LOT more signatures
to be effective. If you havn't yet, PLEASE go sign this
petition so maybe we can get a new Dream Theater album
out soon! Tell everyone you know about this, e-mail
your friends....whatever it takes to get a ton of
signatures! Thanks guys,
Ryan>>
when i took a look at it after sigining it i noticed that there were multiple
sigs. from the same person, are we sure that is really effective? and are
they being counted as 1 or however many times it was signed? its very easy
for one person to sign like 250 times.
just a thought, now im gonna duck cause in come the flames!
laterz,
stan
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:03:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fareness
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970215110157.7895C-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
I think that a group of about 5 non-involved people should listen to the
audition tapes. If someone who auditions listens to the tapes, they will
put themselves with all the parts they want, even though they may not be
up to par. I think, if you really want fareness, this is what you'll do.
Be well.
Matt B
====================
"You are all weirdos. Hmph." (Sam the Eagle, The
Great Muppet Movie)
"Now all we need is a little enerjon, and a lot of luck." (Optimus Prime,
Transformers the Movie)
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:18:22 -0500
From: Omar Torres <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Awake live
Message-ID: <3305EFDE.7D0C@caribe.net>
Carlos Alfaro wrote:
>
> damn! i thought i was the only one (and kain and stryker) who noticed
> this on the ppv... the slaping farting bass sound ,and i first thought
> it was my crappy copy..then i got a hi fi stereo one (wink wink omar i
> need it back) and still there.. but i have several other awake boots
> from other dates ..and the bass sounds fine.. in one of them it doesnt
> sound fat enough (like it had no low ) but thats better than that
> farting sound
yeah, i know. I'll tell Stryker, maybe we'll go over to your house and
drop them, not sure about it though. And your ELP CD, it's still here!
Ok now, about the Tribute, yes it has been tried in the past, and it
didn't work. But I don't care! Keep on trying! Now there's even a studio
ready and all. There's much more motivation now than the last time. If I
could play an instrument I'd have offered myself on all the things you'd
let me :)
So everyone keep it going like this and we'll have our tribute CD!!
And please, *PLEASE* go sign the petition if you haven't. Maybe we can
make a dif. regarding DT's next CD!!!!!!!!! go here:
http://www.prognosis.com/petition
go RIGHT NOW and sign!
later
Kain
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:03:50 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petition
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970215170350.00746274@enteract.com>
Hey!!!! We have posts to the petition from almost a third of you! Great
work! Now if we can just get the other 2 thirds....
*** http://www.prognosis.com/petition/index.html ***
SIGN NOW! There are some very prominent members of this list, people who
support Dream Theater hugely, that have not signed the petition yet! We know
who you are! SIGN NOW! PLEASE!
Also, I'm still waiting on info about the ACoS petition. If you know
anything, please take the time to fill us in!
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:08:00 -0600 (CST)
From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: wait for sleep --- tribute
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970215101400.199f9dd2@tam2000.tamu.edu>
forgive me for cluttering the jam with this, but i lost the email of the guys
organizing the tribute.
if the tribute happens, i want to perform "wait for sleep" - synth, piano,
and vocals. i have some interesting ideas about how i would perform it.
if you guys who are organizing this would get in touch with me, i would very
much appreciate it!
thank!
-matt.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
m a t t r o s i n / imagescape@tamu.edu
s u r r e a l i t y / http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/
etherealambientgoth / po box 864, college station, tx 77841-0864
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 12:13 EST
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spock and Kirk
Message-ID: <m0vvnfj-0006RQC@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Hmm, yeah I know what line your talking about in A Little Too Far but I
never watched Star Trek (or whatever show this is on) but my opinion is it
was probably Jon Oliva's way of making people think.
Don Compton
mcauburn@iinc.com
Warrior Soul Homepage (now featuring a Whats New section, a review with more
to come, liner notes, lyrics, and info on rare CD singles)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:20:58 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: **IMPORTANT** EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS
Message-ID: <199702151720.KAA45192@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
Some people didn't read this the first time, so I'm sending it again. If
you've already read this, I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
_________________________
Hi all,
I've been trying to think of ways to make the whole tribute thing
more fair, and I came up with a few ideas. First off, Jazz and I need to
talk. I think she could be a great help to this project and she obviously
has the drive, so Jazz--E-MAIL ME with your ideas. I'd love to work with ya.
Second, I'm scrapping the song list. I tried to pick the songs
that I figured everyone liked and at least some people wanted to play, but
I've gotten tooooooooo many complaints for this to be a real "fan" tribute.
Therefore I'm setting up a vote. Whether you plan on taking part in the
recording process or not, I want you all to vote on which songs you want to
see on this. Send all e-mail votes to me privately at VGL@U.ARIZONA.EDU
with nothing in the main body and let the subject be the song you're voting
for. Everyone gets three votes. This means you can vote for your 3 fav
songs (in 3 separate e-mails), and 10 days from now, I'll count 'em all up
and post to the jam what the most popular songs are. However many of these
we can fit on one CD, we will. Lines (in the Sand) are open now. Any
repeats (like voting 3 times for "LIE") will be deleted, as will any that I
get after 12:00 am MST, Tuesday Feb 25th. Okay?
Third, instead of saying this person does this and this person does
that, how about this: Everyone sends their tapes in the mail (even those
coming to AZ) ASAP, and whoever does the best job gets the spot. Does that
sound good? It's the most fair thing I can think of because I've had so
many people say they want this certain part, but I've had to say no because
it was taken. It makes me feel like a schmuck and I don't like it. I feel
this way whoever plays the best gets to be on the tribute. The only bad
part is that I'm gonna be fishing through a lot of mail. This is where
others like Jazz, or Hector, or some other jammer(s) could really lend a
hand is in screening parts. I seriously doubt I'm gonna have the time to go
through hundreds of tapes that all say "Killing Hand guitar solo #1" or
whatever.
Do you all like my ideas here? Let me know what you think. Later,
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:25:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Edward Polzin <polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT DROPPED?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970215112441.1190A-100000@eehpx43.cen.uiuc.edu>
Maybe that's what mike meant by "personel changes." i thought about that
before but wasnt going to bring it up. later.
Ed
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/
BOOTLEGS: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/boots/larr.html
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On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 Surrounded@aol.com wrote:
> I've been hearing from several (reputable) sources of mine that Atlantic
> (E/W) decided to do some house cleaning and DT has been dropped from the
> label.Can anyone fill me in.I'm a traveling musician(5-string bass and
> keyboard sequencing/triggering) and sometimes I miss out on the music
> happenings of my favorite band.Can someone fill me in on this and anything
> about the new release.. Thanx!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> YTSEJAM
> & DT--noone can touch it.......
> (I only wish I could keep up with
> it more!!)
> Peace &
> LATE------------Dennis
>
>
> E-mail:
> Surrounded@aol.com
>
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:50:08 -0500 (EST)
From: RubyRube@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Labrie
Message-ID: <970215125003_1514159122@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Hey there...
I've been a DT "nut" for about six monthes and I love them to pieces.
However, I still have a few questions. Where is James Labrie from? Is metrop2
availible to buy anywhere? Is "DT Live at the MARQUEE" a good bootleg?
Thanx in adavance for your time,
Adam
(RubyRube@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:31:24 -0600
From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2278
Message-ID: <33062B2C.319B@netins.net>
>
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:28:48 -0700 (MST)
> From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: DT tribute stuff
> Message-ID: <199702142128.OAA19232@goodguy.goodnet.com>
>
> 4. Would I be the distributor for it? I don't know, this just came up, and
> though I'm complimented that people turn to me automatically, I really
Hi all,
Mike's message prompted me to reply. I too have a CD burner and have
been pretty successful with it. If there needs to be some help making
the CDs I would beg to be a part. I would really like to be a part of
this tribute but I don't play any instruments and my singing voice is
much lower than JLB's. If there is anything that my CD Burner and I can
contribute, we would love to.
have cd burner, will travel,
todd
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:38:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Philip Kaplan <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DRUMS FOR TRIBUTE
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970215162939.11781B-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
Hey there. I havn't posted to the list about two years... Anyway, I've
been reading about the tribute. Here's the deal:
I can, and would love to, play drums on any of the songs. I've been
playing for many years. I used to play death metal, then I got into prog
and other stuff. I am graduating from Syracuse University in May, and
then I plan to travel. Never been to NV, and would love to visit.
Songs I want to play, but I could really play anything (excactly like MP):
Ytsejam, Metropolis, Erotomania, anything from I&W, anything from Awake...
I'm serious and I've recorded with many bands, and most of all, I love
DT!!! Plus I play Tama! (MP's drums of choice)
Please hook me up with drums on one or more of the songs... any song where
you need kick ass playing (I'm not egotistical, I'm just trying to sell
myself...I'm good).
Thanks
-Phil Kaplan
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:07:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Petition Thing
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970215180836.0b6f8948@access.mountain.net>
I just wandered over to the petition page over at Prognosis, and it's left
me with more questions than answers.
First, what exactly are we trying to accomplish? The comments vary from
pleas to let DT get into the studio to people calling for Elektra to release
the CD now! Folks, there ain't no CD yet, so what good does it do ask the
record company to do something that is, at this time, physically impossible?
It's not like the Sony/echolyn situation, where the record company actually
has two complete albums and an EP rotting in their vaults.
Second, just who are we trying to reach here? If it's the record company,
then I'd suggest scrapping the comments and just going with a list of fans
(maybe with one introductory statement or something). In addition to the
pleas mentioned above which seem to indicate we don't know what we're
talking about, there are a lot of things in those comments that aren't going
to make the record company any to happy. Yelling at them to "release the
fucking CD" certainly doesn't inspire respect, but perhaps what is even
worse are the numerous comments where Jammers are explaining to the record
company guys what asshole/dipshits/idiots they are. IMHO, if we're going to
get East/West to move on this, we've got to show a little respect. At least
don't curse at them and thell them they're stupid, even tho' they are! A
little professionalism can go a long way.
Those are just a couple of concerns that I have. Is this the way the ACOS
petition went?
'Jam on
Jonathan Byrne, 1L
West Virginia University College of Law
rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC)
TAPE TRADES! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm
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"The bury a wasteland deep in the wilderness
Poison the soil and reap the harvest
Of blind indifference, greed, and apathy
Sowed way back in our history."
-Fish, "Internal Exile"
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:47:27 +0000
From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@pop.usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shadow Gallery - cheesy???
Message-ID: <199702152337.QAA23031@earth.usa.net>
>
> The downside of SG is the background vocals. They sound cheesy. Also, the
> guitarist plays too many arpeggios which I find annoying. The pianist is
> very good. They songwriting is strong except for the last track which they
> could of made it flow better.
>
> Walter.
I'm confused here, when somebody says that the background vocals
sound cheesy, what do they mean? I've scratched my head many times
about this. How do you define cheesy when it comes to background
vocals? How do they suppose to sound without losing their power??
take care......Dusty
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:10:53 -0300 (EST)
From: flavio maia <fmaiap@construtel.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: awake live
Message-ID: <199702160010.VAA17409@leon.construtel.com.br>
The myung's tunning on that show is a shit!!!!I have the video and the bass
is very "trebled"!!!You can try another boot...I know that the song eve
comes as a bonus on the japanese awake...It's a short track, right?If
possible, can you send it to me as a wav file(ziped or arj)?Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE ARE THE PROPHETS, WHERE ARE THE
VISIONARIES, WHERE ARE THE POETS,
TO REACH THE DAWN OF THE SENTIMENTAL MERCENARY
marillion FUGAZI
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:01:41 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: awake live
Message-ID: <33067895.720@caribe.net>
flavio maia wrote:
>
> The myung's tunning on that show is a shit!!!!I have the video and the bass
> is very "trebled"!!!You can try another boot...I know that the song eve
> comes as a bonus on the japanese awake...It's a short track, right?If
> possible, can you send it to me as a wav file(ziped or arj)?Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> WHERE ARE THE PROPHETS, WHERE ARE THE
> VISIONARIES, WHERE ARE THE POETS,
> TO REACH THE DAWN OF THE SENTIMENTAL MERCENARY
>
> marillion FUGAZI
eve is not that short its about 5:10 ... so it would be a gigantic wav
file..
--
Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage
to face its implications-Ian Malcolm
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:44:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Taco Bell employee / tacobeli
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970215214323.22890A-100000@copland.udel.edu>
Whatever... anyway, I new this kid had a head on his shoulders when I met
him at Birchhill. Just wanted the whole world to know, sorry for the
waste of bandwith but isn't this all just a waste of band with.
andy
Andrew Miller Cigarettes,
ytsejam@Udel.Edu Burbon,
--or-- A N D
andym@dreamt.org Betrayl......
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