YTSEJAM Digest 2286
Today's Topics:
1) I WANT YOU ALL TO READ THIS.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
2) "Promised Land" CD-Rom
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) enough!
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net>
4) Re: DT tribute flame wars
by Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu>
5) Injecticide
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
6) RE: Metallica live
by skooc@earthlink.net
7) Jizzmin / BeBop Deluxe
by skooc@earthlink.net
8) LatM reply
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
9) Re: I WANT YOU ALL TO READ THIS.
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
10) Support
by Trainspotter <Madi@tsrcom.com>
11)
by Trainspotter <Madi@tsrcom.com>
12) Tourniquet for sale
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
13) Re: DT tribute
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) Re: LatM reply
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
15) Re: What a LOAD of...Miasma! (NDTC)
by Eleuthera Lewis <lewis@NU.cs.fsu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:00:34 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I WANT YOU ALL TO READ THIS.
Message-ID: <199702181700.KAA29322@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
Jazz is no longer part of the tribute team. Read on and you'll understand
why. This is a letter I received from her this morning.
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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>X-Sender: jazzmin@ou.edu
>To: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
>From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
>Subject: Re: DT tribute
>Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 10:32:31 -0600
>
>At 08:31 PM 17/02/97 -0700, you wrote:
> Transportation will be a
>>>large deciding factor for who plays what on what song. I think we can
>>>accomodate everyone on their first or second choices; some, however, will
>>>have to duke it out... =)
>>
>> No. We will screen their tapes and we will decide. No "duking it out."
>
>IT WAS A JOKE, YOU MORON.
>
>
>>>Third, your idea of deciding the songs before we get a list of musicians is
>>>premature.
>>
>> These musicians need to know what to play, no?
>
>Persons who are plannng this need to know who CAN play the songs. Perhaps
>you are so superior on your guitar that you should go replace John Petrucci.
>Maybe you should tour with G-3. However, in planning this tribute you MUST
>realize that not everyone is as talented as you apparently are, especially
>when it comes to the drum lines. If you make a list of songs people can't
>play, you're setting yourself up for failure.
>
>
>>>We are not dream theater, no matter how much any particular
>>>jammer can do it is impossible to include a lot of people when others are
>>>not able to play certain (or most) songs. For this reason we MUST allow
>>>people to tell us what they are able to play. It will not be a list based
>>>on votes, but a list based on ability.
>>
>> Due to the demo tape idea. Jazz, you're making this more
>>complicated than it has to be. If you don't stop, I'm asking you to leave.
>
>WHO ARE YOU to ask ME to abandon MY IdEA? Excuse ME, Sir Vincent, YOU are
>the one who needs to learn a few things about planning, and if you insist on
>making a mess of things, you are going to confuse people and make it hard to
>get any support for this in the future.
>
>>>Sixth, I coordinate nationwide (media) events professionally. I know what
>>>I'm doing. How old are you, and what is your experience that you feel you
>>>are running this whole thing? Do you have any idea of what I normally get
>>>PAID for this? For an event like this, I would charge, and get paid, about
>>>$800. Just for sitting at my computer doing what I'm doing now.
>>
>> Don't try to make yourself feel superior to me. I'm not pushing an
>>ego on you, but you seem to like to do that to me. If you want to be paid,
>>leave. This is non-profit.
>
>My point is that I have a LOT of experience. I never said I wanted to be
>paid. If you're reading that into my statement then you need to start
>paying closer attention to what people write.
>
>
>> Then leave. Your dissent could end the whole tribute. You're
>>acting like a cancer. You are not necessary to the success of this. Hector
>>and the ytsejammer musicians are the only necessity.
>
>This statement is absolutely ridiculous and further exemplifies your
>inexperience and naivety. Further, I AM a musician (among other things).
>YOUR dissent and insistence on leading people down a twisted and confused
>path is NOT going to get this tribute done.
>
>What does it mean to you, Vince? Are you just trying to waive your dick in
>the air? I've seen your bloated .sig, so I can guess that your feelings of
>impotence must be running rampant right about now. From your past posts on
>the jam you seem to feel it's your place to stomp on others instead of a
>well-placed non-judgmental statement. Or do you WANT to be a team player,
>working WITH other people to pay homage to a band we all love? Are you
>acting in a Dream Theater spirit, or just trying to bully your way into a
>position you know nothing about?
>
>>>I hope that we can decide to work together:
>>
>> Not when you send a bitch-out statement like this. This coming just
>>after your immature jam posts. You are acting very immature and it needs to
>>end if you still want to be a part of this.
>
>1. saying I hope we can work together is bitchy?
>2. I'M immature? Read your comments above and meditate on who is being
>immature. How old are you anyway?
>
>>>you will be on-site at Hector's
>>>studio supervising the recording going on there. You will have more on your
>>>hands than I think you realize.
>>
>> I've recorded before. I know what I'm getting into. Don't
>>patronize me. Are you even a musician?
>
>Once again you have not been reading what I wrote. I have placed you as
>head of operations in Arizona. That entails much more than just recording
>your lines.
>
>>>Please send me your list of availabilities. As soon as the deadline is up,
>>>I'll try to get a list broken up by region. I hope/think by that time there
>>>will be five recording centers, and with the Power of Omen tape that should
>>>do it.
>>
>>THERE IS NO DEADLINE!!! WE HAVEN'T BEGUN SCREENING TAPES YET!!!
>>WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH?
>
>There IS a deadline to volunteer, at which point we will begin accepting
>tapes. The heads of operation at the (now SIX) studios will be the ones who
>screen the tapes, trying to work people together into ensembles.
>
>I might point out to you that with six studios one could easily be dropped
>from the list. You might reconsider your nasty opinion.
>
>>We need to keep this off the 'jam -- people are unsubscribing because of
>>>this. I promise to not leave you out.
>>
>> I promise to leave you out if you keep acting like this. You're a
>>cancer. Have you read all the jams that basically say to you to leave?
>>Read your jams please.
>
>I have NOT seen any of the sort. Rather, I keep getting mail that says,
>"Vince is such an overbearing shit, he wants to screw this up, PLEASE try to
>regain control over it, you are knowledgeable and seem to have a good plan.
>PLEASE don't let Vince screw this up, we want a tribute album."
>
>> Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
>
>May Satan eat your children if you ever send me this .sig again.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 12:11:48 EST
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Promised Land" CD-Rom
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+QBS0nA@tcx.tcco.com>
I picked up the Queensryche "Promised Land" CD-Rom yesterday. It's pretty
cool - 2 CDs. I haven't looked at the video game part yet - I was wondering
if anyone had started playing it yet. It looks like one of those old Leisure
Suit Larry type games...
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:09:09 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: enough!
Message-ID: <199702181709.RAA23357@avalon.net>
> > No. We will screen their tapes and we will decide. No "duking it out."
>
> IT WAS A JOKE, YOU MORON.
ok. i have one request, which i'm sure has crossed other jammer's
minds as well...
**PLEASE TAKE THIS CRAP TO PRIVATE EMAIL!!**
it's bad enough to see a million posts from everyone and their
brother claiming they can play every DT part ever written for their
respective instrument, but now we have to witness this egomaniacal
bitch fest from you two?
this is fucking ridiculous. PLEASE take this private email or setup
an alternative list for the tribute.
Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage
http://www.avalon.net/~subtlerage - subtlerage@avalon.net
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:44:03 -0600
From: Polo Santos <ytse_jammer@mail.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT tribute flame wars
Message-ID: <3309EA63.344F@mail.utexas.edu>
AAwwwwwrrriigggghhhhhtttt!!!! This rox. Start the bar-b-que, grab the
beer, call the in-laws and get the kiddies over. We'll hog the couch,
burn the food, and finish all the popcorn. RRaaaahhhhh!!! It's a good
thing I re-subbed to the jam, or I woulda been missing out on such hapy
ass shit as this. Hey Vince, when are you gonna get rid of this problem?
Anyone else interested in banning Jazzmin from the project for her
negative attitude? Will Jazz overcome he petty jealousy and paranoia and
realize that no one is out to get her, yet? Will this happy little
festival end in disaster? When will the madness end? Will I be able to
finish all this popcorn cause no one's showed up yet? All on the next,
Town Talk...
Polo
"Peace, love, recycle"
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:49:26 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Injecticide
Message-ID: <3309EBA6.4487@mailstorm.dot.gov>
# laughing
ksh: laughing: not found.
Oops, sorry, wrong directory. Let's try this again....
How things would be different if Microsoft was headquartered
in Arkansas...
1. Their #1 product would be Microsoft Winders.
2. Instead of an hourglass icon you'd get an empty
beer bottle.
3. Occasionally you'd bring up a window that was covered
with a Hefty bag and some duct tape.
4. Dialog boxes would give you the choice of "Ahh-right"
or "Naw".
5. Instead of "Ta-da", the opening sound would be
"Dueling Banjos".
6. The "Recycle Bin" in Winders 95 would be an outhouse.
7. Whenever you pulled up the Sound Player you'd hear a
digitized drunk redneck yelling "Freebird".
8. Instead of "Start Me Up", the Winders 95 theme song
would be "Achy-Breaky Heart".
9. PowerPoint would be named "ParPawnt".
10. Microsoft's programming tools would be "Vishul Basic"
and "Vishul C++".
11. Winders 95 logo would incorporate the Confederate flag.
12. Microsoft Word would be just that: one word.
13. Instead of WWW servers, Microsoft would have KKK servers.
14. New Shutdown WAV: "Y'all come back now!"
15. Instead of VP, Microsoft big shots would be called "Cuz".
16. Hardware could be repaired using parts from an old
Trans Am.
17. Microsoft Office replaced with Micr'sawft Henhouse.
18. Four words: Daisy Duke Screen Saver.
19. Well, the first thing you know, old Bill's a
millionaire.
20. Spreadsheet software would include examples to
inventory dead cars in your front yard.
21. Flight Simulator replaced by Tractor-Pull Simulator.
22. Microsoft CEO: Bubba Gates.
If you are from Arkansas and are offended by this, I offer one of two
possibilities:
a) relax
b) move
Buh bye :)
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - Dream Theater
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:57:09 -0800 (PST)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Metallica live
Message-ID: <199702181757.JAA04228@armenia.it.earthlink.net>
>They're very much still thrash metal, even if
>LOAD (w/ the exceptions of "Ain't My Bitch" and maybe "Wasting my Hate")
>isn't. I actually like LOAD, but I really don't feel that the band is gonna
>continue down that direction.
If there's one thing that's constant with Metallica it's change. Every album
they've done sounds different from the previous one; and the next one (which
Lars says will be out in November) will probably be different from LOAD. When
I saw them in San Jose they played Devil Dance, which is one of the HEAVIEST
songs I've ever heard Metallica play.
>At least I hope not.
LOAD is an awesome record! Just because they refuse to play Master of Puppets
over and over again doesn't mean they're any worse, they're just doing something
different. If you want to hear the same song over and over listen to AC/DC.
They've been playing the same song over and over since 1980.
>I think that stunt at the MTV Europe awards said something.
Truly an incredible set. They rehearsed King Nothing (which kicks ass anyway)
and play Last Caress and So What.
>Cool to see 'em playin' Motorbreath again live.
They're not playing it at all shows though. I've been to three showws on the
tour
so far and it was only played at one of them.
Scott
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I didn't have to be here ya know, I didn't have to show up here.
With my vast financial holdings I could've been basking in the sun in
Florida.
THIS IS JUST A HOBBY FOR ME. NOTHING, YA HEAR, A HOBBY!
"Handsome" Dick Manitoba
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:06:55 -0800 (PST)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jizzmin / BeBop Deluxe
Message-ID: <199702181806.KAA05364@armenia.it.earthlink.net>
> Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
May Satan eat your children if you ever send me this .sig again.
Jizz,
Chill out for a sec. I don't understand what the problem with his sig is.
Unless of course you find people saying nice things offensive. If Satan eats
his children I hope yours get Cancer.
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Now, on to BeBop! If anyone here hasn't heard of BeBop Deluxe then go get their
only CD available here, Live in The Air-Age. I used to listen to these guys in
the 70's and they were awesome. For you guitar players out there, the guy who
played guitar in the band was Bill Nelson; who is probably the best guitar
player that no one ever heard. They were just about to go big time when they
broke up. They have many CD's available in Europe, but here in the ol' USA the
live one is all that's available. It's on One Way records (same label that has
WDADU) and it's worth every penny of teh $10 it costs.
May the Lord bless you and keep you in good health,
Scott
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:39:04 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: LatM reply
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/00150259@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>>Live At The Marquee is definitely a good import- its not a bootleg,
though. I wouldn't give it up for the world. The song listing on it is:
Metropolis/Fortune In Lies/Bombay Vindaloo/Surrounded/The Killing
Hand/Pull Me Under.
>>>>On some copies, Surrounded is replaced by Another
Day.
*Another Day* recorded 'LatM' also appears on the European *Lie* import EP
CD. Is this due to different European vs Japanese import versions of LatM??
I know that my European import version has *Surrounded*, not *Another
Day*.
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Randall Braun, Contract Review, Systems Integration Group
Direct phone (209-685-4508); SIG FAX (209-688-6696)
SMTP email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com; rbraun@gecits.ge.com
5 GECITS, GE Capital Information Technology Solutions
Western Regional Distribution Center, Tulare, CA
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:36:46 +0100 (MET)
From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I WANT YOU ALL TO READ THIS.
Message-ID: <199702181836.TAA15000@janus.swip.net>
At 09.12 1997-02-18 -0800, you wrote:
>Jazz is no longer part of the tribute team. Read on and you'll understand
>why. This is a letter I received from her this morning.
>
> Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
Don't go ruin this tribute thing because of some fucking childish shit! Do
me a favor and sort out your difficulties, and kiss up! It started to come
together so nicely, but I bet more jammers than I get a bit confused after
reading those posts...
Peace,
%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
& Mika Numminen & aarre.n@swipnet.se %
% aka Viking % te95mne@student.hgs.se &
&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%
% http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne &
& http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-330353 (Coming soon!) %
%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:06:42 -0600
From: Trainspotter <Madi@tsrcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Support
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970218130810.2c0f2be0@tsrcom.com>
> SO.... DO WE HAVE JAMMER SUPPORT?
I can't speak for everybody but y'all definitely have my support!!! GO FOR
IT! FUCKIN' A!!!!
Love ya,
Mari
YES!! YES!! JESUS H. GOD-DANCING CHRIST...I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!
-The Blues Brothers
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:06:43 -0600
From: Trainspotter <Madi@tsrcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970218130811.2c0f3504@tsrcom.com>
>so here we are, all getting our pant(ie)s wet over this silly
>tribute........oh brother............i have a problem believing that
>something like this can actually be worked out. call me mirthandir if you
>like, but i dunno...........this is getting silly now........jeez.
I'd rather be an optimist and a fool, than a pessimist and be right. Give
it a chance dammit.
Love ya,
Mari
YES!! YES!! JESUS H. GOD-DANCING CHRIST...I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!
-The Blues Brothers
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:17:28 -0500
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tourniquet for sale
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970218191728Z-1175@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> >I'm not familiar with
>> >Tourniquet.
>>
>> Christian speed metal. Double bass in almost every song. Very cool
>> stuff.
Waaay cool, and ....... for sale !! The first promise for $8, postpaid
(US), gets it !!
Private e-mail, please.
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:46:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT tribute
Message-ID: <199702181917.LAA09404@odin.ax.com>
> What does it mean to you, Vince? Are you just trying to waive your dick in
> the air? I've seen your bloated .sig, so I can guess that your feelings of
> impotence must be running rampant right about now. From your past posts on
<cut....>
This is possibly the funniest Freudian interpretation I've
seen............this had me rolling....
>
> > Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
>
> May Satan eat your children if you ever send me this .sig again.
>
Strike that...THIS is the funniest thing I've seen in a
very long time......I almost passed out from laughing so
hard.....
Unfortunately, my opinion, which really means no more
than anyone else's, is that neither one of you should do
this thing unless there's some kind of resolution. I'm
not one to butt in anyone else's business, but as a
'Jammer, the fact that thing has gone so wrong before
a song list was hardly even STARTED is not a good sign at
all......
You guys should really re-think your positions (which were
pretty much self-elected) and find a way to humanely set
this up......good luck - I want to see this happen as much
as anyone else.....
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%------------------------------
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:21:54 +0900 From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LatM reply Message-ID: <199702181921.EAA10560@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
Well,I can tell ya about this.
>>>>>On some copies, Surrounded is replaced by Another >Day. > >*Another Day* recorded 'LatM' also appears on the European *Lie* import EP >CD. Is this due to different European vs Japanese import versions of LatM?? >I know that my European import version has *Surrounded*, not *Another >Day*.
It's a very simple reason. We (Jpn listeners) love the song "Another Day",so MMG (at that time, east west Jpn now) decided to include this song for Japanese market.
Thanks! And goodnight! -Keiji Nishihara Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:48:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eleuthera Lewis <lewis@NU.cs.fsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What a LOAD of...Miasma! (NDTC) Message-ID: <199702181948.OAA27546@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
I saw Megadeth on their Youthanasia tour and their new songs kicked ass live. Youthanasia just suffers from a very poor production. You can't start a mosh pit with the Youthanasia cd, but if you can't see people moshing to Ashes in your Mouth and Architecture of Aggression, then maybe you just don't like metal anymore. As for Anthrax, I don't consider Stomp442 thrash, and their really isn't too much double bass on there. There are tid bits here and there, but theres a difference between 'Stomp442 double bass' and 'Persistence of Time double bass'. Hopefully their new one will have good fast songs like SoWN. BTW, why did people consider that the sell-out album? Take out Only and Black Lodge, and that album rulez!
Prong Bastard
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