YTSEJAM Digest 2288
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest 2285
by vanzin@dks.com.br
2) The Fate of the Jam, Once Again
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
3) DT Fanzine
by Jaime Kimpton <jkimpton@nfx.net>
4) Bye Bye Love,
by eckie@asu.edu
5)
by
6) need info from tribute players
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
7) Re: Tribute Mess
by Pandamaniac <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM>
8) Re: your mail
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Anthrax and Elektra
by Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2287
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
11) Will it ever happen?
by Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2287
by "R. Kevin Preston" <mustaine@wam.umd.edu>
13) jammer let down.
by Seth Casale <casals@Sage.EDU>
14) DT tribute
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
15) voices...
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
16) Tribute, Ryche, +Live+, and Guavas
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
17) Say it aint so!!!
by LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
18) petition of the past
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
19) TON
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
20) looking
by EricD91011@aol.com
21) hey kiddy kiddies...
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
22) The alleged tribute
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:51:40 -0300
From: vanzin@dks.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2285
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.2.18.-11.51.40.2579404677.613520@dks.com.br>
Hiya jammerz!
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From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
Subject: Thrash metal is dead? What a LOAD of...
Um, how can thrash be dead w/ bands like Megadeth, Anthrax, Pantera,
Metallica, Tourniquet, White Zombie, Ozzy Osbourne, Corrosion of Conformity,
and Sacred Reich (among others) still out there ripping it up and having
gold and platinum albums?
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Hey Vince, I think your message deserves a huge "?". :)
Metallica? THRASH? They're not even metal anymore!
Megadeth? I've always considered them Speed Metal, and
"youthanasia" is much more to heavy metal than any other thing, I
suppose.
COC, me thinks is much more heavy metal than thrash.
Maybe if you said "Sepultura", it'd be a good guess. :)
[]'s
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:14:52 -0800
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Fate of the Jam, Once Again
Message-ID: <330A7E3C.102B@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Once again the jam has gone to hell. This evil cycle seems to occur
every month or so. Maybe it is lunar, who knows, but content is
certainly going into the toilet. I think the major thing that saddens
me is that the cooperation of the group has totally gone to hell.
A couple of years agao I would proudly say that the Ytsejam members
could accomplish almost anything that they put their minds to: The cons,
fan CDs, T-shirts, getting ACOS made, and several other totally
impressive tasks. Can't those of us who want this tribute to go forward
come to some compromise for the good of the group. This thing seems
like it is getting too large to be practical at this point and the best
bet would be for someone to post some requirements and start making sure
that everyone involved can meet them. The jam tried a tribute last year
and it failed because we couldn't work out the logistics of it. I think
we should worry about getting something recorded before talk of official
release on CD is discussed. Just my $.02 for what its worth.
And while I'm at it... the main reason I want DT to put out a new album:
I can finally make additions to the discography! <grin>
Later,
Mike
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mbackof@dejarnette.com Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu
Home Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:30:22 -0500
From: Jaime Kimpton <jkimpton@nfx.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Fanzine
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970219013022.0066f46c@nfx.net>
Greetings folks...
My computer has FINALLY been fixed and is now up and running the way it should (yay!!!), so I would like to get cracking on the next issue of the fanzine as soon as possible before I get avalanched with schoolwork (silly me, taking 18 credit hours on top of chief copy-editor of the paper and co-editor of the literary mag).
As usual, I'm looking for anything people might want to submit for print... reviews of the New England shows over Christmas, a write-up on the petition, thoughts on what you've heard of the new stuff, the tribute (if the squabbles are resolved long enough to do it?) photos... reviews of underground prog/power rock/metal bands... the band all gets copies, so this is another chance to make yourself heard! :) I'm not imposing any deadlines, but I would prefer to have everything to put it together by the end of the month.
Just email me with your suggestions and inquiries, and I'll get right back to ya. :)
Jaime THE (one and only) Dragon
-- jkimpton@nfx.net"All the world's a masquerade made of up fools and philosophers Were it to rain on our charade all washes away, except our true colors..." - EXTREME- --
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:38:47 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bye Bye Love, Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970218182621.25134C-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Bye Bye Hapiness, Bye Bye DT Tribute, It's wings have been cut away And it'll never see the light of day...
I have a few questions,
1) Who gives a rat's ass WHO'S idea it was to have a DT tribute? I'm sure some fan thought of this WAY before Jizzmin staked claim to it.
2) From what I understand, Vince volunteered to coordinate this thing after several people agreed, "Yeah, a tribute album would rock gonzos!" Do we need a ytsejam democratic republic to produce this thing? I'll run for House Speaker!
3) Do I have to bring my own popcorn to the barbeque? Can we buy a large WWF matress for anybody who wants to organize: They can duke it out in the ropes! Cheesiest winner produces the fuckin' thing!
Sure, I think it would've been great to have this tribute album, but what the hell is this thing with people stepping on other people's shoes?
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..and I won't even comment on that "I'm offended by your God" remark....
~Eckie
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 19:41:26 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: need info from tribute players Message-ID: <330a596a7331004@cliff.ou.edu>
I have six studios lined up (including hector's). Those of you who are interested in playing please email with your address (just city & state), and if you live in a little city what the nearest big city to you is. Go ahead and list what you play and a first, second, and third choice of the song(s) you want to play; more if it applies. I have a list of all that posted on the jam and all that emailed to me, but none of your addresses. (Make it easy on me so I can just put the info in a single file!)
Since we are blessed with so many locations the transportation problem will be lessened. However, this means that you may not get your first choice on song. Hopefully everyone who wants to do UAGM, for example, will live in roughly the same area; wouldn't that be wonderful??! The plan is to divide the players into ensembles first by area and then by song unless someone throws a huge fit and/or is able and willing to travel to a different location. This simplifies a number of things as long as we can be open-minded... Flexibility rules!
(BTW: Vinnie boy is not sharing his infomation with me, so if you have emailed to him, you'll need to resend it to me.)
One other bit of information is when you are most likely to be available for recording. A lot of people are in school or have children/spouses/jobs that hinge on school schedules. Please let me know if you are interested in filling the much needed position head of operations for your area! (This is in case some legal question pops up. Also, you will be in charge of picking up after the party...)
Would anyone go for the idea that you each provide your own blank CD(s) and/or tape(s) (we have resources for both now), with a small fee ($2.50?) and postage for your copy of the tribute? The artwork will be reproduceable from any color printer, downloaded from a website... Make things as cheap as possible... There are several wonderful people who have volunteered to engineer the raw tapes into a finished product and (I think) put them on zip drives. This would enable those with CD burners to just zoom out a copy, and nobody would have any boxloads of blank CDs or tapes to purchase or not get used... this would increase the overall value, but not the cost, of the album.
Okay! Enough of this!
jazzmin
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Date: 18 Feb 97 20:52:01 EST From: Pandamaniac <76262.3207@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Tribute Mess Message-ID: <970219015200_76262.3207_GHM49-1@CompuServe.COM>
Vincent G. LuPone Wrote:
>Jazz is no longer part of the tribute team. Read on and you'll understand >why. This is a letter I received from her this morning.
<lurk mode off after 1620 jams...> Well I vote that you both chill a little bit and cooperate or you both get off the 'tribute team'... I was actually excited about the whole tribute idea until you two started trying to take over... Both of you do have some good ideas... and at least in this email, I think Jazz does have some <very> valid points although they weren't stated very calmly. Now it seems like this tribute thing is going to fall apart again, because of 'management problems'...
PM
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:54:53 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970218185204.3957C-100000@general1.asu.edu>
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> ..and I won't even comment on that "I'm offended by your God" remark.... > > ~Eckie > >
..half of the message was cut off, but this made it? *scratching head* Sorry 'bout the "waisted" bandwidth about me waisting bandwidth, I just wanted to clear up that this was the end of ONE message I posted, not a seperate one looking to start a flame war on its own. And flame me if you will, not the jam. This is Dream Theater disc., not "Does God exit" disc.
Did anybody else recieve this segment as a seperate message? Or am I just cooky?
~Eckie^2
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:23:28 -0500 (EST) From: Kramer <CK78729@ltu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anthrax and Elektra Message-ID: <01IFKQJ1OG7M94E1KP@ltu.edu>
I know that Anthrax is not currently on Elektra anymore, whether they were dropped or not remains to be seen. I heard they left their and were released from obligations for another album, so whether they left or were dropped I don't know. Word is Metal Blade is gonna sign them now. Roadrunner should sign DT!
-C
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2287 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970218212010.71398A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > OK, first, I went to elektra.com to check out Anthrax' page since there > doesn't seem to be any good pages that I could find with a search engine, > and when I went to the metal section I didn't see Anthrax. Were they > dropped from Elektra? I didn't hear anything about this.
I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but I know for sure that Anthrax is not with Elektra anymore. It is my understanding that the band was paid a healthy sum of $$$ to be released from their contract. But this, as just about everything else on the internet, is hear-say.
Richie
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:33:08 -0800 From: Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Will it ever happen? Message-ID: <330A744A.474A@pop.dakotacom.net>
Wow,
I just came back from my weekend trip to find that the DT Tribute "ORGANIZERS" were about to kill each other. THE DT TRIBUTE WILL HAPPEN, WITH OR WITHOUT THEIR HELP!!! I know I'm still willing to work with you guys to get this damn thing together. I will be watching from the sidelines till the serious people come forth.
Sincerely,
Hector Crisantes DTFreak
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:25:20 -0500 From: "R. Kevin Preston" <mustaine@wam.umd.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2287 Message-ID: <199702190229.VAA04904@po4.wam.umd.edu>
Ok, someone please send me information about how to get off this mailing. At first I thought it was a place to exchange thought input with some really swell DT fans. Now all I read is bitching, and reposts of private e-mails for two sophomoric morons? What gives. Let me out.
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Casale <casals@Sage.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: jammer let down. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970218211507.28840A@zeus>
i am let down by the ytsejam. i joined four months ago because someone told me there was a place where a group of music lovers got together with an open mind to discuss common interests. though the emphasis would, of course be dream theater, i had hoped to find some interesting conversation regarding music in general. i am not a dream theater "fan" i don't buy the 1997 dream theater pinup calendar, but i do like what they do for music. they are all very talented musicians, and their music can be very beautiful. lately i have come to find out that the ytsejam is populated by people who tend to be focused solely on what the band is doing. that i could live with, but now people are focusing on what people on the jam are doing. maybe it is me, but the music universe does not start with dream theater and end with a fight over who is going to head up a tribute in their honor. here's hoping for some good conversation... cheers
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seth albany, ny The first words from your mouth, "hey you know we got signed?" you're just a bunch of little rich brats driving up in your bmws -clockhammer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:51:35 -0600 (CST) From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT tribute Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970218204941.17843C-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
I've noticed that this thing is beginning to fall apart because of people pointing fingers. I've been looking forward to this, so is anyone going to get this organized?
***Rob***
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:05:11 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: voices... Message-ID: <01IFKS1J180Y9BXLRD@alma.edu>
How does one go about subscribing to voices? I've had enough of this shit.
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:34:11 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tribute, Ryche, +Live+, and Guavas Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970218212150.12569D-100000@comp>
Greetings Jammanoids,
Just wanted to add another voice to the tribute fun-fest... like some have said already, if you guys want the thing to work the first thing that needs to happen is either for Jazz and Vince to make up and shake hands, or just dump the both of them. How about letting the IRC troop be responsible for heading up the efforts or maybe just get everyone who wants to participate to elect a committee? You guys have enough other crap to sort out without the self-proclaimed leaders tearing at each other.
New Ryche reviews sound awesome. I like everything they've done thus far, but I find myself listening to PL more than the others lately just because it sounds fresher than the other stuff. Sounds like the new stuff is going to take the Ryche to a new level.
Anyone catch the +Live+ unplugged gig on MTV tonight? I don't know if it was a rerun of a previously taped show or if it was a recent one, but it was pretty danged good. Those guys may not be as progressive or as talented as DT, but they are by no means slackers. I bought the new album today, but haven't got a chance to listen to it yet. Dubbing it off right now for use in the car on the way to work (not having a car CD player blows chunks).
Here's an idea: since DT is having trouble getting into the studio to do an album, how about a live album? They could do a double live CD package with old songs and a few new ones to keep the fans hungry for more. It would definitely be 'progressive'... how many bands have released part of their new album on a live disc before the studio version came out? :)
DrX
/-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of | | marble; then chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant. | \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ \------ Ed : ereed@comp.uark.edu, drx@reich.uark.edu ---------------/
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:38:14 -0500 (EST) From: LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Say it aint so!!! Message-ID: <199702190338.WAA31287@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Hi there everyone. Just a question, what did Vince do that was so bad as to warrant hate mail? I've read every jam since the whole tribute thread came up again. I think it was good that someone got on the ball and started to organize the project. As far as I know, Jazzmine just whined and complained that someone was taking "HER" project. I don't think because Vince wanted to get things going, does he deserve hate mail. I mean we're hate mailing Eastwest for NOT getting on the ball. Sort of f#@ked up if you ask me. I don't want to see this tribute idea get put down the toilet for this. I want to play on songs because I love Dream Theater, want to hear OUR rendition of our favorite songs, and, the thrill of having the members of the band hear what I'm playing. Its a rush! I still want to be a part of it, and for those members who are disgusted with Vince and/or Jazzmine to the point where they don't want to play on it, don't deserve to play on it. Yes, they may be DT fans, (hey, we all are) but if they really wanted to play for the same reasons I do, then they will have looked past this confrontation. Remember, we have lots of things going for us. We have a studio, different ideas for recording, people willing to take part in the production end of it, as well as a lot of drive to see this thing through. With that said, if anyone can fill me in as to what kind of crime Vince committed, please email me privately. Thank you. Tony
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:53:48 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: petition of the past Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970219035348.00754698@mail.inlink.com>
does anyone recall how many signatures went down on the ACoS petition? i recall someone noting something like 400. just to keep everyone briefed we're over 500 pages of lynx html now, and we have near 1,500 signatures, and theyre going up by the minute. also, if anyone has a copy of the original ACoS petition, i'd love to get a copy of it in email or something. thanks
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:16:35 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TON Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970218201631.00691f58@cats.ucsc.edu>
Any California Jammers goin to the Type O show tomorrow (2/19) at The Edge in Palo Alto? Any, besides me, of course. ;)
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+ __\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+ \_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | | /__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | | // \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ | \| +-------------------------------------+
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:51:46 -0500 (EST) From: EricD91011@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: looking Message-ID: <970218235142_619601651@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Sorry, I will keep this short, if Stan Tyszka read this please e-mail because your AOL screen name is not working. I finished your Toad's Show tape and am ready for you to send the Brich Hill show. E-mail ASAP, take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:19:33 +0100 From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: hey kiddy kiddies... Message-ID: <v03007800af30566b7aad@[128.178.99.38]>
>Subject: DT TRIBUTE GARBAGE!
yeah...cewl: DT doing Garbage covers!!! ;-)
>Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970218145326.11084A-100000@rossby> >Hi everyone, >I have problems with all this recent talk of DT tribute. Personally, I >think it's a crock! Do you think that a bunch of people living all
jeez...I turned my back a few weeks and now I'm back I discover this damn DTribute has reared its head again (I didn't say "ugly"). We discussed it thoroughly last summer, with very feasible ideas, but
1) there was no consensus about any aspect (especially about arranging the songs, rehearsing or doing it by mail: I'm against all).
2) be there one, there was no one to will to coordinate this thing (I would've if this was to be done in Europe)
3) there will be copyright problems, even if the product stays confidential.
otherwise it's a heck of an idea and I know that i would make the trip to the USA from Switzerland to record some shit.
we were as close as we got to doing it last time and even that's sooooo far away. And you're not even talking about it, as far as I can see. You're just flaming your mother's asses out of each other.
>OK - now, anyone want to talk Shadow Gallery some more?!
I'm not so sure that I'll enjoy this journey...
............................................. D A V E K I N G b a s s & v o x M T 2 0 p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The alleged tribute Message-ID: <199702190722.AA16541@crl.crl.com>
Dunno about the rest of you, but I have NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER now in picking up a tribute CD done by either of those two yokels. Thanks, kidz, for ruining ANY magic there might have been in this project.
--As to why Jaz might have found Vince's sig a bit offensive, it's probably because, more often than not, Vince will post a message with lots of vituperation and vitriol ("flamage" for those lacking a vocabulary module) and then it's signed, incongruously enough,. "Peace be with you and God bless."
Uh, right. Talk about conflicting signals!
..Whatever, I'll have no part of the tribute (as a buyer) if it involves those two. If any adults are working on a similar project, please step forward. Sounded like some folks from the Northwest might have had a clue.....
-- +-- I never bared my emotions ---+ Dream Theater +- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | My passion always strong | "Scarred" | vanyel@crl.com | | I never lost my devotion <-+-> CD: Awake | pellaz@dreamt.org | + But somewhere fate went wrong -+----- http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ----+
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