YTSEJAM Digest 2296
Today's Topics:
1)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
2) Bootie
by Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
3) Dream Theater petition
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) Savatage ***NABC***
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Raise The Knife
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
6) To answer your ACoS question...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
7) Subconscious/Paging Mr. Arin....
by Christopher Scott Willenbrock <csw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
8) DT mousepads are NOW on order...should be real s
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
9) DT mousepads are NOW on order...should be real s
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
10) Superior - Dream Disc / Knight of the Round
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
11)
by
12) Amorphis
by "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@hic.net>
13) oops
by "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@hic.net>
14) ** New Ytsejam Tshirt Update **
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
15) Newbies, Flames, Content and Sigs
by David Sabetai <DAVIDJON@worldnet.att.net>
16) Re: Have we all gone fucking looney lately?
by petedz@interaccess.com
17) Re: Have we all gone fucking looney lately?
by petedz@interaccess.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:11:43 -0500
From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <v01540b02af325ddd0424@[128.197.9.245]>
>I'm waiting on a call back from Jay Beckenstein about 1)lending us Bear
>Tracks studios in New York around mid-May (it's nowhere near official yet)
>and 2)joining us for one of his beautiful sax solos. (If you don't know the
>significance of this, look at your I&W liner notes).
Is this a joke? (And isn't it "Breckenstein"?)
>I guess we suck so damn hard, a wake vortex of respectable size is being
>created, sucking all corporeal entities into the void.
Speak for yourself, Mr. Parmet. I don't suck.
>Peace and great fuckin',
>May a blessed piece of ass be with you,
Those two are much better than "Have a nice day." I wish I would
hear things like that more often (and have them come true).
Jeff Falk
jefffalk@bu.edu
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:35:15 -0500
From: Rocky Dean <iban@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bootie
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970220223515.006b4d08@pop.mindspring.com>
Im lookin for some dream theater boots if anyone can give me info on where
to get some (i've heard the name 'Mike Bahr' or somethin) please drop me an
email. btw.. does anyone even know if DT is in the studio yet???
iban
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:46:57 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The YtseSpam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater petition
Message-ID: <01BC1F88.68375000@BElanna.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Dream Theater petition
Thursday, February 20, 1997 at 15:18:12 (CST)
Amount of votes in the petition : 1648
Voters (different addresses) : 1573
Multiple votes (same address) : 75
Mark
_________________________________Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/301180__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars [=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=][=]_[=]
All of us do time in the gutter RUSH | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:52:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Savatage ***NABC***
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970220175039.13111D-100000@bdmserver>
Don Compton wrote:
>Theres only 2 things that stopped me from getting the video....the price (70
>F^&KING DOLLARS!!) and the fact that the CD was a bit too
>overproduced...maybe the video wasn't...anybody know?
If this is truly the video I have that I bought for 10$ I would say it is
very over produced. Basically looks like an MTV video to me... I'll check
it tonight to see if it is the Live in '94...
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:50:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Raise The Knife
Message-ID: <199702202250.RAA01703@newman.concentric.net>
I cannot help but notice a strong similarity between the DT song "Raise The
Knife" and the sequencer jam at the end of Petrucci's _Rock Discipline_
instuctional video (Example #31). Anyone else hear what I hear?
-Rick Audet
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:08:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: "Peter Pignatelli Jr." <74243.363@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: To answer your ACoS question...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970220170320.1340A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
ACoS has nothing to do with Dead Poet's Society. It was written by Mike
based on the loss of a loved one, I believe his grandmother, although I
could be mistaken. If you think about this and follow the lyrics, it does
make a lot more sense. Most of the stuff in there like Crimson sunrise
and sunset are symbolic for birth and death. As far as why the stuff in
the movie sounds familiar, it's because that's exactly what is in the
song. The samples you hear in the song are *from* DPS. However, there is
no real connection between the movie and song other than the Carpe Diem
theme in both.
=20
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:14:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Christopher Scott Willenbrock <csw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Subconscious/Paging Mr. Arin....
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970220171109.1928A-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>
I ordered a copy of the Subconscious CD about a month ago from James Arin
and he told me he would mail it about two weeks later. I still have not
received.
I was wondering if anyone else had any trouble getting this CD from him.
I have emailed him twice and he does not respond.
If it's on its way, then that's cool. I just wanted to make sure I didn't
get ripped off.
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:18:06 -0500
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT mousepads are NOW on order...should be real s
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.2.20.-15.18.6.8350.10154@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all you Ytsejamers!
Tis true! The DT mousepads are on order. Sorry for the delay.
I should have a picture of it on the net in the next 20 days or
so.
If you have any questions, feel free to write me:
** There is ONLY going to be 125 in print. If you would like to
reserve yours...write me. **
Sincerely,
Todd S.
TRS GROUP
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:18:36 -0500
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT mousepads are NOW on order...should be real s
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.2.20.-15.18.36.7133.3502@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all you Ytsejamers!
Tis true! The DT mousepads are on order. Sorry for the delay.
I should have a picture of it on the net in the next 20 days or
so.
If you have any questions, feel free to write me:
** There is ONLY going to be 125 in print. If you would like to
reserve yours...write me. **
Sincerely,
Todd S.
TRS GROUP
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:42:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior - Dream Disc / Knight of the Round
Message-ID: <199702202342.SAA18491@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Thanks for the Dream Disc update. I was just getting ready to
call them again but you've saved me the trouble. I ordered this
thing on December 9th and now I'm supposed to receive it in mid-March?
What's up with that? Are they gonna offer us any type of discount
or maybe a coupon or someshit to attempt to make up for the long wait?
Well, instead of getting it for Xmas, it looks like I'll be getting it
in time for my birthday (March 14th).
I've been looking around for another source to get the album from
and I heard from Knights of the Round this very morning and they
said "yes, Noise Records is having problems delivering it and
we are currently out of stock of Superior". If you are gonna ordered
it from a US supplier, you better have them check the stock first.
BTW - Any other UMBC students here other than the ones I already know of?
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
If ya woulda gone one more directory down in the 'tage tree ya was in ya woulda found the TSO webpage:
http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso/
As far as I can tell the version of Sarajevo on TSO is exactly the same as that on DWD.
TSO is, I believe, largely 'tage producer Paul O'Neill's project with most of 'tage being major contributors musically, with numerous guest vocalists. It is one of my favorite CD's. It is also quite overtly Christian (the belief, not the religion) in its lyrical content. Which leads me to a question of 'tage's spirituality. There are also numerous hints on 'tage's earlier works as well, particularly *Streets*. But some may not want to discuss this further in the present forum. (Email privately if you have any further insight; I'm quite interested.)
-Randall g GE Capital - Information Technology Solutions Randall Braun - Configuration Services Western Regional Distribution Center, Tulare, CA Phone (209) 685-4508 * FAX (209) 688-6696 email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com ***************************************
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:26:37 -0600 From: "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@hic.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Amorphis Message-ID: <199702210219.UAA07612@mail.hic.net>
Hey,
Does anyone here listen to Amorphis? I picked up their latest release, "Elegy" a few weeks ago, and like it quite a bit. I would prefer the guitarist play some freakin' solos once in a while (being a guitarist, this bugs the shit out of me), because he sounds like he has potential to do some good stuff, but he never really goes off. The CD took me a while to get used to. I first read about them on the BNR Metal Pages, http://www-cse.ucsd/users/bruss/Metal/Metal.html , and they seemed worth looking into. I think it was the sound of the keyboards that bothered me at first... not the actual playing, but merely the effect he was using. He seems to be into that Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon or Wish You Were Here kind of sound... but after further listens, I'm getting a better feel for it in this type of music. I've heard one of their previous releases, Tales from a Thousand Lakes, (or something close to that) has a progressive sound to it as well... anyone know more? Thanks!
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:00:05 -0600 From: "Colonel Mustard" <cmustard@hic.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: oops Message-ID: <199702210253.UAA08764@mail.hic.net>
hey,
one quick correction... the address to the BNR Metal Pages is http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/bruss/Metal/Metal.html Sorry about that! This one will get you there!
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:19:28 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ** New Ytsejam Tshirt Update ** Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970220201853.1754A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
+-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Ytsejam T-Shirts | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** new since last update * new in last two updates ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
** Things are finally organized around here, so you can look forward to ** skipping these updates on a weekly basis now. :)
* Ordering is ready to begin for the new year. I will be back at school on * the 15th, and shipping will resume on the 22nd. All the ordering info is in * here, and if you need more, try the web page at:
http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
* After a lot of work, I managed to get all of my records in order, so this * update is 100% accurate in regards to the numbers of shirts sold and * remainging, etc...
The XXL shirts are now sold out, and the XXXL shirts have been sold out since last week. There is still one Medium shirts, 6 Large, and 67 XL remaining.
I did manage to make the money to make the final payment in time for the shirts. From this point on, the shirts will be going towards paying back my loan for the downpayment. Thanks again to everyone who has ordered, and all of you who plan to.
I would just like to take this chance to thank everyone who has been so supportive of the shirts... It's nice to know that my work on this project is appriciated. And special thanks to Chris Hailey for the amazing artwork.
======== Web Page ========
There is a web page online, complete with ordering instructions, facts and figures, comments on the shirts, actual scans directly off the shirts, a list of paid orders, and a mini FAQ. Check it out at:
http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
======= Details =======
The Ytsejam shirts are two sided prints. The front of the shirt features a *full color* raytraced graphic from Chris Hailey in Washington. The graphic is a beautifully done scene with the Majesty logo floating behind a group of marble columns on a tile floor with a wide view of space visible behind.
The back of the shirt is in a solid light blue color. The majority of the design is a huge Majesty logo, framed by the Dream Theater title at the top, the mailing list address on the sides and "Ytsejam" at the bottom. Below that is "Internet Mailing List" between two more Majesty logos.
The current lot of shirts is 217 (they printed up more than I asked for, but I'm not complaining). If those run out, and demand is high enough, I may run another with a slightly different design.
You can check out all of the details, as well as a preview of the shirts at: http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
Please note: Due to some legal issues, the University will no longer allow me to keep this commercial advertisement on their server. To sidestep this issue, Chris Merlo was kind enough to put the page up on his account. Please go to the URL above and follow the link to the new site.
======= Pricing =======
The cost of the shirts is $16 each. The shirt is damn close to concert quality, so $16 is a steal (last Dream Theater concert I was at charged $23 for a shirt!). If you require a size larger than XL, please let me know ASAP so I can get those orders in. There is an additional $1 charge for each size increase (ie. XXL = $17). If you are picking the shirt up from me directly the $16 price stands. If you can't get the shirt in person, you can order one through the mail for $20 to cover shipping.
I spoke with the people at the post office and I've decided to set the shipping prices outside the USA at $9, for a total of $25. I realize this is damn expensive for a tshirt, and I'm sorry. If individual prices are signifigantly less expensive, I will gladly return a check for the balance.
The rundown: M, L or XL shirt, picked up: $16 M, L or XL shirt, mailed in the US: $20 M, L or XL shirt, mailed outside the US: $25
============ Availability ============
Size: Sold: Reserved: Remaining: Total: ----- ----- --------- ---------- ------ M 4 0 1 5 L 32 0 6 38 XL 79 0 67 146 XXL 24 0 0 24 XXXL 4 0 0 4 ------ ----- --------- ---------- ------ Totals 143 0 74 217
======== Ordering ========
The shirts are open to mail ordering now. Mail orders will be shipped out every Wednesday via Priority Mail for US orders, and airmail for all others. Checks and money orders will be cashed before the order goes out, most likely on Monday. So far, mail orders have gone well, the only problem I have had has been with the bank, not the post office, so don't worry about your orders. All US orders are insured for the amount paid for the shirts and shipping, and insurance on airmail depends on the country and other aspects.
To order, send a check or money order for the proper US dollar amount (see pricing above) to:
Pat Griffin 117S Hudson Hall <-- Note the change of address! 1202 E. Rollins St. Columbia, MO 65201
Make them payable to Pat Griffin, and remember this in US dollars.
Be sure to include: Your name. Email address. Mailing address. Phone number. Quantity of shirts you want to order. The size of each. Whether this order is for pickup for mail order.
I will keep you up to date on the status of the shirts through email.
============= Miscellaneous =============
Remember that all the info can be found online at: http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
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If you have any questions feel free to email me at: c675311@showme.missouri.edu
Or call at: (573)771-1964
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:44:19 +0000 From: David Sabetai <DAVIDJON@worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Newbies, Flames, Content and Sigs Message-ID: <19970221024417.AAA18925@LOCALNAME>
Hey Jammers, Why are some of the veterans of the jam blaming us newbies for ruining it lately. I've been on the jam since around digest #1800 and many of the viscious flame wars have involved the elders. I am not blaming anyone, flames happen because it is hard to communicate tone and sarcasm on an e-mail message so don't blame the current state of the jam on us newbies. The jam is a reflection of all of us. One thing interesting about the bigger flame wars is that people with names like Bafu and Ptacek have mixed it up among others, but the goon has not dropped the gloves. He's probably the instigator, which carries a 10 minute misconduct penalty. Take a seat in the penalty box you goon. ;) And to those people who subscribed and are not happy with the content, did'nt it say that on this list topics other than DT were discussed such as other bands, religion etc? And about sigs. My interpretation on sigs are that they should represent the person. If you don't like a sig, ignore it. The only sigs that are not needed are those that take up enough bandwidth to fill a whole jam. Lighten up guys. It's amazing how testy jammers become when they are starved for new DT material. Release the hounds!
Isaac
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:28:41 -0600 From: petedz@interaccess.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Have we all gone fucking looney lately? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980221032841.00697ed0@pop.interaccess.com>
>Precious Things production is still current, I'll have an announcement >about that and Winters shortly for all of you on the waitin list who >missed out originally.
Ok, there are two possibilities...either (1) you've already transfered my reservations to someone else because you haven't heard from me, or (2) you're about to and that is what the above (maybe) refers to.
If it's the former then I'm just out of luck. I saw lots of rumors floating around, and with the delay on PT and the change from T to DoW, I hesitated in sending $$.
If, however, it's the latter...please give me another chance. Seeing you posting again and putting up a web page restored my confidence. You'll get my cash right away this time. I promise!
-- Pete Dziadzka
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:38:27 -0600 From: petedz@interaccess.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Have we all gone fucking looney lately? Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980221033827.0068dc30@pop.interaccess.com>
Sorry about that last post. It was obviously meant to be private e-mail. My finger hit the send button before I changed the address. Me bad.
..and I thought that only happened to other people. :)
-- Pete Dziadzka
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