YTSEJAM Digest 2301
Today's Topics:
1) ACOS Snare
by zayas@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
by Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
by Robert C Devereux <rcd+@andrew.cmu.edu>
4) Re: piccolo snare
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
by buster@ee.net
6) concerned for lyrics
by EricD91011@aol.com
7) Re: cowz on da toob
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
8) Brian Cox
by Evan Robert Thomson <930377@bud.cc.swin.edu.au>
9) Re: concerned for lyrics
by eckie@asu.edu
10) Sony TCD-D8
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) Bloom County Hedgehog
by bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson)
12) reviews, etc.
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) Re: Altura in Guitar Player...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
14) Lie CDs, & the domestic (USA) record scene
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
15) Anthrax, Metal Blade, DTC.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
16) tribute
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
17) quick comment....
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
18) Mail order question
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
19) NDTC: Heir Apparent
by Jeff Hayes <haye@micro.ti.com>
20) asdf
by waynec@earthlink.net (Wayne Clinton)
21) Brazilian fans, Vai / DP
by vanzin@dks.com.br
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:15:06 CDT
From: zayas@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACOS Snare
Message-ID: <199702240315.WAA18363@ny.frontiercomm.net>
In my opinion, one of the reasons why Portnoy used a piccolo snare on ACOS was to make the snare blend better with his AAX stage hats. They are thin, very high pitched, and need a high pitched snare to complement them. If you notice, in IAW, Portnoy's snare sounded a lot fatter than it does now, even live (I saw them live about 2 months ago, and he wasn't using a piccolo). In Awake, his snare sound got higher pitched (he wasn't using a piccolo there, just a really tight snare head). Finally, he decides to record ACOS with a piccolo...I think it suits him and his style much better. Many of my friends don't feel this way, in fact, they hate his snare. Any drummer would know though...with his ghost notes, high hats, and his high toms, only a piccolo would be the best choice.
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:24:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970223222311.6089C-100000@copland.udel.edu>
The name of Opus's almost wife ....... Lola Granola.
thank you drive through...
andy
Andrew Miller Cigarettes,
ytsejam@Udel.Edu Burbon,
--or-- A N D
andym@dreamt.org Betrayl......
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:36:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert C Devereux <rcd+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
Message-ID: <0n4Emh200YUf0flEw0@andrew.cmu.edu>
Excerpts from mail: 23-Feb-97 YTSEJAM digest 2300 by ytsejam@ax.com
> I have a question. Is the Lie CD single that much more rare than The
> Silent Man CDS? In almost every CD store I go in I see a copy of The
> Silent Man CDS, but I have never seen the Lie CDS.
Weird. I found the single for Lie in a local record store, but had to
special order the Silent Man CD.
Rob Devereux | Our self definitions are not
(Dev) | constructed in our heads; They are
http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~rcd/ | forged by our deeds (Robert Brown)
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:29:34 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: piccolo snare
Message-ID: <199702240440.VAA31977@smtp.cyberhighway.net>
> > I think it sounds quite good.. In fact I remember reading on the jam
> > several weeks ago that someone thought the snare sounded that way because
> > it was badly mixed.(???) I recently read in Modern Drummer or somewhere
> > like that that Mike has been using shallower snares lately as opposed to
> > the standard deep stadium rock ones many metal guys use.
> >
> > Mark
>
> I totally agree with you, the snare sounds great in ACOS
I know I've said it before, but this was the biggest turnoff for me
of ACoS. Everything was kewlness when I first bought it until I
heard that snare. Trust me, I didn't listen for it. It leapt out at
me, penetrated my consciousness and worked it's Chinese Water Torture
for the rest of the song. It took me a couple of listens to phase it
out, but I still don't listen to the song all that often because of
it. The rest of the drums sounded tip-top, though. (Big IMO, here.)
I hate you all forever, too, cuz I never noticed the sample snare
attacks in I&W till y'all pointed it out here. Now that's started
buggin me, too. Guess I'll have to hit Awake full throttle now (I
know drums are hard to mix, but I'm real picky about them.)
I say Mike needs to practice on the throne a little more. I can get
the perfect tones out of it. I think I'll go invent a porcelain
drumset. :)
Laterz!
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:19:31 -0500
From: buster@ee.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970224051931.006a4ca0@ee.net>
....
>> Why is James yelling about a stepfather and "life on the sticks" in the
>> middle of Lie? It just doesn't make any sense to me.
>>
(lots of stuff snipped out here)
>* Kevin slams door
><Mike> John, what are you writing?
><JohnP> That stepfather line - that would fit perfectly right after that
>sticks line!
Now *THIS* is the Jam I know and love!! :) DTC *and* humor...
Looks like we stand a chance of coming out of a recent slump :)
And for some NDTC:
>From: MTeiper@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
> So there I was, cruising up I-87 in beautiful upstate New York just the
>other day with my lovely wife when a song came on the radio that struck me
>just the right way, and I wanted to share my experience with you all. Being
>a classic rock fan as well as prog, I cranked the radio when I heard REO
>Speedwagon's "Roll With Changes". As I listened to the song for the
It's a killer tune Matt! I'm not ashamed to admit that REO actually
did some cool stuff on that first "big" album. BTW, I'm originally
from upstate NY in a town called Saratoga Springs, just off I87 little
north of Albany...you from up that way?
Buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:29:03 -0500 (EST)
From: EricD91011@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: concerned for lyrics
Message-ID: <970224002903_-1273373758@emout18.mail.aol.com>
The latest update of Dream Theater has me concerned. Concerned about the
fact JP is writing all the lyrics. Of couse I know he hasn't written all of
them, but in my opinion too many. I'm a huge Kevin fan and have always felt
his lyrical contributions will be thorn that plagues the band. Undeniably JP
is a great lyricist (as was Kevin) but where are the big contributions from
JM or even more from JL. Part of the magic of Dream Theater is instropection
into five guys both musically and lyrically. We are severly losing that with
the bulk of the lyrics JP has written. I'm just curious as to other people's
reactions. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:39:16 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: cowz on da toob
Message-ID: <199702240542.XAA28426@Walden.MO.NET>
>actually, maybe we shouldnt put mor cows on tv, they probably have a
>weight limit, and my TV would probably break.
Yeah, but you have one of those big ass screen TVs, so you could
probably fit a bovine or two on there with no repurcussions (except
maybe an obstructed view).
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:58:29 +1100 (EST)
From: Evan Robert Thomson <930377@bud.cc.swin.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Brian Cox
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970224165632.23432B-100000@bud.cc.swin.edu.au>
Sorry to post this here,
Brian Cox if you're reading this list still, could you please email me.
My messages don't seem to get through to you, and I'd like to talk to you.
email: 930377@swin.edu.au
Evan Thomson.
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:46:57 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: concerned for lyrics
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970223234502.10531A-100000@general5.asu.edu>
> The latest update of Dream Theater has me concerned. Concerned about the
> fact JP is writing all the lyrics. Of couse I know he hasn't written all of
> them, but in my opinion too many. I'm a huge Kevin fan and have always felt
> his lyrical contributions will be thorn that plagues the band. Undeniably JP
> is a great lyricist (as was Kevin) but where are the big contributions from
> JM or even more from JL. Part of the magic of Dream Theater is instropection
> into five guys both musically and lyrically. We are severly losing that with
> the bulk of the lyrics JP has written. I'm just curious as to other people's
> reactions. Take the time.
Hell, I'm impressed that the GUITARIST has everything under control,
lyrically! *One-two punch/drum-roll&symbol crash)
>;D
That's a valid point though. I want to hear more about James's stepfather.
~Eckie
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 01:41:42 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sony TCD-D8
Message-ID: <199702240941.BAA03714@gms.gmsnet.com>
If anyone's interested, I can get the Sony TCD-D8 DAT portable recorder
for around $620-650... brand new... great for bootlegging... :)
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:19:47 -0600 From: bwrights@dnaent.com (Bill Wrightson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bloom County Hedgehog Message-ID: <199702241419.IAA17169@lotus.dnaent.com>
Wasn't it Portnoy?
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:59:22 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: reviews, etc. Message-ID: <199702241458.GAA19089@odin.ax.com>
A friend of mine loaned me two of his CDs this weekend, and I thought I'd put my $0.02 in about them....
TON - October Rust - oh, no not TON again.....I figured I'd give it a listen.....now remember, this is only my opinion. The music was decent - nothing spectacular or "in-your-face" like I enjoy, but it was nice - "ethereal"-esque even.... The vocals however, I couldn't take....I just don't like his voiace at all.......and that damn rolling of the "r"'s my God, that's the most annoying thing I have heard in a long time to me....I'm sorry, but I just couldn't endure it - it was like listening to a vampire singing......maybe that's the effect, but I just couldn't take it. The song, "In Praise of Bacchus" was cool, but in general, I didn't like it...
Marillion - Six of One, Half Dozen of the Other - This was a really good disc - I understand that it was half Fish, and half the other guy (sorry, I don't know Marillion that well). I don't which were which, but this was a good CD - again, it was kinda on the mellow side....but it is one that I would consider buying......
Couple of quick comments:
1.) There's a band out there named "Ben Folds Five" - a piano guy (pianist, that is), a bassist, and a drummer. They're young (in their twenties), and their sound is very upbeat and Billy Joel-ish. If you enjoy older Billy, this is definitely a disc to get - it's way kewl....
2.) Bloom County! Excellent!! Deathtongue rules!!!! "Let's Run Over Lionel Richie With a Tank"! I loved that song!!! :P
3.) Don't forget to buy "Private Parts - the soundtrack". It goes on sale Tuesday......LLCoolJ and Chili Peppers, Type O and Ozzy, Rob Zombie and Howard Stern, Porno for Pyros w/ Dave Navarro, Marilyn Manson, clips from the movie, and the BEN STERN MEGA-MIX!!!!!!!
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:43:02 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Altura in Guitar Player... Message-ID: <199702241546.HAA19366@odin.ax.com>
>Hello everyone! I just got the April issue of Guitar Player magazine in >the mail this afternoon. They devote page 22, in its entirety, to Altura >guitarist Franklin Ervin. Pretty nice of them, don't you think? ;)
Wow. That's probably the biggest press (in the U.S., anyway) that a Magna Carta band has received. Pretty cool. Although I certainly think that Marcel and Barend deserve some ink as well. Marcel is a great soloist, and Barend Tromp gets that slinky fretless thing going (or is it a Stick?) and just sends chills up my spine...
Anyone looking to dump their Altura? I've seen various complainings here, and I'm looking to check it out.
Mike Patrick InfoTech Consulting, Inc. mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:29:29 -0600 From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lie CDs, & the domestic (USA) record scene Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0015DE25@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>From JAM 2299: >>>>>>I have a question. Is the Lie CD single that much >>>more rare than The Silent Man CDS? In almost every CD store I go in I see a >>>copy of The Silent Man CDS, but I have never seen the Lie CDS....... Actually I rarely see any import CD singles in any the majors in Fresno. In the truth, even though the Fresno (Calif.) area has a pop of ~500K, the CD retailers suck; the carry the popular, not the excellent. I look in the used CD bins first, the selection is better. In fact, that 's where I found SG's Carved in Stone; you'd never find a trace of it in the new CD's. As for finding the Lie CD single at a local store, it must have been a fluke. This is a good indication of WHY I get most of my quality CD's email/mail order.
-Randall g GE Capital - Information Technology Solutions Randall Braun - Configuration Services Western Regional Distribution Center, Tulare, CA Phone (209) 685-4508 * FAX (209) 688-6696 email: Randall.Braun@gecits.ge.com ***************************************
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:35:39 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anthrax, Metal Blade, DTC. Message-ID: <199702241835.LAA35886@jamaica.u.arizona.edu>
Hey all, Someone mentioned some while ago about Anthrax leaving Electra and maybe going back to the indies, maybe Metal Blade. That's not such a bad thing, all of their albums save the last 2 were on Megaforce, which if I remember correctly is an indie. I remember seein' 'em get pretty popular back in those days. Also, wouldn't it be great to see DT leave Electra and join Metal Blade? Electra seems to not want DT to record, but Metal Blade IS a metal label, no? DT would surely be welcomed there, I would think. I may be wrong here, but aren't the Galactic Cowboys and Lemur Voice on Metal Blade records? It wouldn't be such a bad thing to see DT and Anthrax on that label too. Jus' my 2 cents.
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 13:20:57 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tribute Message-ID: <3311e8d047e9002@cliff.ou.edu>
Okay, enough! 1. Do not call me "jizzmin". If you do, I will... tell you again not to do it! 2. Quit posting about how we aren't getting along. That was LAST week, y'all. This week, I gather that Vince is doing his stuff in Arizona and I'm doing the rest of it or another one that covers the whole globe, transporation/studios providing. So. We're getting along by simply not talking, OKAY? Play on both if you like!
3. Just a reminder that Friday is the last day to volunteer (on my end anyway). Drop me a line if you're interested but still confused.
DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT! DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ON THE JAM! NO! NO! DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT!
No more about it!
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:09:10 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: quick comment.... Message-ID: <199702242008.MAA21647@odin.ax.com>
I don't know if I'm the only one, but if someone posts to the 'Jam where private replies are warranted, please put your E-mail address either in a .sig or in the message. I get this is ack mode, and all I see is the message and the from header (which is usually just a name). I'm sure other people get it the same way.
not a flame, just a comment, so screw...... :P
-Al
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 13:04:59 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mail order question Message-ID: <9701248568.AA856815380@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
Has anybody ever dealt with a company called 'The Right Choice' for CDs and videos? They advertise in the backs of guitar mags and it looks like they have a pretty good selection, prices are average to a litter higher than some places. DT Stuff: Consciously Unreal $59 When Dreams Unite $28 <is this a boot or a typo?> LATM $30 <ouch!> Live on Long Island '92 $30 Rockin' Japan '95 $30 These prices seem a little high.... Of the boots, which would you guys recommend? ~Mike ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:17:26 -0600 From: Jeff Hayes <haye@micro.ti.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC: Heir Apparent Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970224141725.006f6a94@pcmail.micro.ti.com>
Jammers, Just picked up a used CD at SoundWaves last night. The group is called Heir Apparent and the CD is titled "One Small Voice". It's on the Metal Blade label and was put out in '89. Not too bad. Sorta progressive in parts. Some cheesy lyrics, some notso cheesy, but pretty decent musicianship. They do a pretty cool late 80's-up (Is that a word) version of Paul Simon's "Sound of Silence". Anyway, anyone heard of these guys before? Are there other CDs by them that I should pick up if I sorta dug "One Small Voice"? Thanks for the info...
Shred 'til yer dead! Jeff
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:20:02 -0800 (PST) From: waynec@earthlink.net (Wayne Clinton) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: asdf Message-ID: <199702242020.MAA07789@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
ytsejam unsubscribe Scott Clinton
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:13:46 -0300 From: vanzin@dks.com.br To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Brazilian fans, Vai / DP Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.2.24.-14.13.46.2579404677.627657@dks.com.br>
Hey jammerz!
------------------------------ From: Leleco@centersoft.com.br Subject: Looking for Dt fans!!!! I've just subscribed the ytsejam mailing list and I would like to make contacts with Dt fans I play bass since 1994 and I've just started to play in a Heavy Metal Band where the main influence is Dt.Please send me e-mails,because here in Brazil is very difficullt to find Dt fans and I don't know what are the news of the band. ------------------------------
So, you just find one! (And maybe there's a lot more of brazilians here) :)
BTW, if any jammer here in Sao Paulo is going to the Vai and/or Deep Purple concerts, please write me.
[]'s Marcelo Vanzin Sใo Paulo - Brasil vanzin@dks.com.br vanzin@dreamt.org http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ อออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออ
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