YTSEJAM Digest 2302
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
by Seth Casale <casals@Sage.EDU>
2) cowz even on big ass screen TVs
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) James LaBrie chat
by SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
4) Thoughts, wisecracks, and general jackassery
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
5) anthrax/DT/indies
by skooc@earthlink.net
6) Anthrax
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
7) Metal Blade, record labels
by Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net>
8) Re: Mail order question
by YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu>
9) scott and ytsegoon, sitting on a tree......
by WildKoba@aol.com
10) How-ard! How-ard! How-ard!
by skooc@earthlink.net
11) Gary Hoey
by John Emmons <jemmfam@imperium.net>
12) LATM price
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) Re: concerned for lyrics
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) Operation Mindcrime
by David Sabetai <DAVIDJON@worldnet.att.net>
15) more info on official dt shirts
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
16) you *almost* got it right
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
17) I didn't, did I???
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
18) SubtleRage - GREAT music !!!
by e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf)
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:32:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Seth Casale <casals@Sage.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2300
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970224162935.19377C-100000@zeus>
jammers,
i heard a cool song today, it was called up on cripple creek, and it was
by a band called the band i believe, it was a pretty rocking tune for an
older song, i just thought i would let you know that.
later,
Seth
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seth casale
Albany, NY
where do bad folks go when they die?
-meat puppets
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:01:47 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: cowz even on big ass screen TVs
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970224220147.006f2710@mail.inlink.com>
>
>>actually, maybe we shouldnt put mor cows on tv, they probably have a
>>weight limit, and my TV would probably break.
>Yeah, but you have one of those big ass screen TVs, so you could
>probably fit a bovine or two on there with no repurcussions (except
>maybe an obstructed view).
hm, i dont know, them bovines is pretty big.. maybe i could break the
screen open, and just put a cow inside and watch him moo or something. ;)
then i'd have a big ass screen cow tv... or would it be big ass cow screen
tv.. or just big as cow in a broken big ass tv? pick one :)
way over 700 pages of petition signatures now! woohoo!
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:11:42 -0600
From: SandS@challserv.challenger.net (Sally Murphy)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James LaBrie chat
Message-ID: <19970224221141630.AAA114@SandS>
This may have already been mentioned, but JLB will be in THE NIGHTCLUB
chat room on AOL on Thursday night at 10:00 pm. (This is Eastern, I
guess?) He's going to be on with Kiss' Bruce Kulick, Armored Saint's
Joey Vera, and Jeff Scott Soto of Yngwie's band. They'll be discussing
their involvement with the "Dragon Attack" CD. Almost makes me wish
I was on AOL. Maybe I should get on for just one night, huh? Could
anybody on AOL maybe post what happens? I'd sure be interested to
know! Cya!
Shane (sorry for the huge .sig)
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* I feel your dreams * I'll never leave
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:28:42 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Thoughts, wisecracks, and general jackassery
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9702241721.E7465-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: EricD91011@aol.com
> Subject: concerned for lyrics
>
> The latest update of Dream Theater has me concerned. Concerned about the
> fact JP is writing all the lyrics. Of couse I know he hasn't written all of
> them, but in my opinion too many. I'm a huge Kevin fan and have always felt
> his lyrical contributions will be thorn that plagues the band. Undeniably JP
The way I look at that is this:
Used to was that about 45% of lyrics were Kev, 45% JP, and 10% JM and
Mike. JM had 2 songs on the last two albums, Mike had 1, James had
contributions to 2, and Mike had ACOS. Kev and JP wrote just about
everything else. So, with Kev gone, someone has to pick up the slack,
and we already know that JP writes a lot of good lyrics. I'm sure that
we'll be seeing more of JM, Mike, and James (and Derek, I would think) in
the lyrics writing someday. But for now, I have no problem with JP
filling in the gap.
Now, whether that's the case or not, I don't know. Anyone have a precise
rundown on who's written lyrics for what out of the new stuff?
----> From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> > Subject: Anthrax, Metal Blade, DTC. > > Someone mentioned some while ago about Anthrax leaving Electra and > maybe going back to the indies, maybe Metal Blade. That's not such a bad > thing, all of their albums save the last 2 were on Megaforce, which if I
Yeah, Megaforce was listed on those albums, but all the Joey albums were released/distributed by Island (far bigger than Megaforce - they had U2 for a while, I think). Sort of an Island/Megaforce joint thingie. But from what I can gather, Island was the muscle behind that.
> Also, wouldn't it be great to see DT leave Electra and join Metal > Blade? Electra seems to not want DT to record, but Metal Blade IS a metal
Not really. Minimal press from a major label is better than tunza support from a small label, I would think. (And remember - Elektra got Metallica to headline Lollapalooza. Where was Fates? Or the Cowboys?)
> label, no? DT would surely be welcomed there, I would think. I may be > wrong here, but aren't the Galactic Cowboys and Lemur Voice on Metal Blade
Yes, GC is. Lemur's on Magna Carta. And when's the last time you saw a video from either one on MTV? Granted, it's been a while for DT, but at least they made it to MTV - with the support of a major label (ATCO at the time).
> records? It wouldn't be such a bad thing to see DT and Anthrax on that > label too. Jus' my 2 cents.
The indie labels are great for us, because they allow the bands we like to create pretty much what they want. But after an album or two, I don't really think they're that great for the bands anymore. These bands (especially DT and Anthrax) need *more* support now, not less.
(Somehow the indie label thing is still working for +Live+, though. More power to them, but I don't know how they're doing it.)
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> From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> > Subject: tribute > > DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT! > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ON THE JAM! NO! NO! > DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT!
Wow, Jazz setting the rules down. That's an odd twist, huh? What's next? Mike Bahr getting a day job at a CD manufacturing plant?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: anthrax/DT/indies Message-ID: <199702242234.OAA14045@lithuania.it.earthlink.net>
>Someone mentioned some while ago about Anthrax leaving Electra and >maybe going back to the indies, maybe Metal Blade. That's not such a bad >thing, all of their albums save the last 2 were on Megaforce, which if I >remember correctly is an indie. I remember seein' 'em get pretty popular >back in those days.
They were on Megaforce, sort of. ATL - Live: the Island years were actually released through Island, with a super tiny megaforce name on it. Also the catalog numbers used were Island numbers.
>Also, wouldn't it be great to see DT leave Electra and join Metal >Blade? Electra seems to not want DT to record, but Metal Blade IS a metal >label, no? DT would surely be welcomed there, I would think.
I would like to see DT drop East/West if they could and go to an indie label. They would probably have more freedom to record the kind of album they want. But for those of you that want a 2CD release could pretty much forget a double if they go indie. How many indie labels do you know of that release double CD's of studio material?
Scott Cook ************************************************************************** Jesus he knows me, and he knows I'm right. I've been talking to Jesus all my life. Oh yes he knows me, and he knows I'm right. He's been telling me everything's gonna be alright **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 16:39:02 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anthrax Message-ID: <3312182a60c1891@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
> Someone mentioned some while ago about Anthrax leaving Electra and > maybe going back to the indies, maybe Metal Blade. That's not such a bad > thing, all of their albums save the last 2 were on Megaforce, which if I > remember correctly is an indie.
Anthrax was on Island Records before "Sound of White Noise." What the heck is this Megaforce stuff?
-Brian
"The Silent Man" Art/Lit E-zine http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9493
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 18:14:40 -0500 From: Misha Horowitz <mhorowit@ziplink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metal Blade, record labels Message-ID: <3310CF60.411D@ziplink.net>
Vince LuPone wrote: <snip snip> > label, no? DT would surely be welcomed there, I would think. I may be > wrong here, but aren't the Galactic Cowboys and Lemur Voice on Metal Blade > records? It wouldn't be such a bad thing to see DT and Anthrax on that > label too. Jus' my 2 cents. >
If I'm not mistaken, Lemur Voice is on Magna Carta, no? That's what it says on the CD anyway :) I'm looking for a copy of The Dance of Eternity....anyone selling or know where I can get one in the Boston area? Thanx...
Misha Horowitz
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:20:00 +0000 From: YtseJim <LUTZ@uhavax.hartford.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mail order question Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-vms-b4.970224181034.41081A-100000@uhavax.hartford.edu>
> These prices seem a little high.... Of the boots, which would you guys > recommend? > Consciously Unreal $59 Whoa! Sixty Bucks?!?! That is a 'little' high... Although its a double disc, i don't think that it is worth that much money. I found this disc for $30 at a Flea Market. It contains an average I&W show plus some tracks from a show with Charlie Dominici..Its pretty interesting to hear Charlie do Metropolis and To Live Forever...
> When Dreams Unite $28 <is this a boot or a typo?>
I never heard of a boot named 'When Dreams Unite'. By looking at the price, my only guess would be an import version of 'When Dream & Day Unite'
> LATM $30 <ouch!>
Ouch is Right! This is an Excellent Boot. But the price is a little high.. If ya look hard enough, you can pretty much find it for $20-$25
IMO, Of course
//########################################################\\ // Jim Lutz |"Let's say goodbye to Jesus, \\ // | the world he left \\ // | won't ever be the same. \\ // YtseJim@DreamT.org | You Took Away My hero, \\ // Lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu| Now Take Away My Pain"-Dream Theater \\ //####################################################################\\
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:23:40 -0500 (EST) From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: scott and ytsegoon, sitting on a tree...... Message-ID: <970224192338_984849028@emout15.mail.aol.com>
so i get back from my lovely and bizarre trip to boston, and i get all these disturbing posts about scott and his love for me.......
hey, penis-boy- what did your post have to do with dream theater content? ;-)
i'm not sure which is more disturbing- his posts, or the subsequent posts from assorted 47-chormosomed cretins wishing us the best.......nevertheless, i laughed quite a lot.......
this may have been the best week to read the jam.....wow.....we had wars, sheep cloning, and just good ol' bestiality. long live the jam.........at this point, i can live without the new album! dt who??
speaking of, as i mentiojned before i left, i will return to true dtc and put out (no scott, not like i made you do for me last night) a new post on the "awake retro"....
cheers, and more beastiality. love, ytsegoon
********************************************************************** david yoichi kobayashi binghamton university bd91014@binghamton.edu
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: How-ard! How-ard! How-ard! Message-ID: <199702250106.RAA25321@andorra.it.earthlink.net>
Just got done watching the making of Private Parts on WNBC and I can't wait for this movie!!!! It's gonna be the biggest movie of the year, if not ever! HOWARD STERN RULES!
Don't forget that the soundtrack goes on sale at Midnight tonight.
Scott Cook
************************************************************************** Jesus he knows me, and he knows I'm right. I've been talking to Jesus all my life. Oh yes he knows me, and he knows I'm right. He's been telling me everything's gonna be alright **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:10:28 +0000 From: John Emmons <jemmfam@imperium.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gary Hoey Message-ID: <3311F59E.2E42@imperium.net>
Hi,
I don't know if there are any Gary Hoey fans out there, but I thought I'd share some information for any of you who might be fans who live in Ohio...Gary Hoey will be at Peabody's Down Under in the flats (Cleveland, Ohio) Monday March 3rd. They haven't announced the show yet to the public, but if you call you can order your tickets now.
Later, Maria
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:15:05 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LATM price Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970225011505.00723f7c@mail.inlink.com>
> >> LATM $30 <ouch!> > >Ouch is Right! This is an Excellent Boot. But the price is a little high.. >If ya look hard enough, you can pretty much find it for $20-$25
i bought it here in the US, st louis, MO, for about 10 bucks.
keep searchin' ~Rip
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:48:16 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: concerned for lyrics Message-ID: <199702250159.SAA24006@smtp.cyberhighway.net>
> is a great lyricist (as was Kevin) but where are the big contributions from > JM or even more from JL. Part of the magic of Dream Theater is instropection
Of all of the lyricists in the band, I've liked JM's the most. LSOAD and LtL are my two favorite songs of of their respective albums, not only cuz I dig the sound, but the lyrics as well. Someone tell John to hurry and write some more! :) JP's rock rather well, too. I'd like to hear what Derek has to offer as well. :)
> 3.) Don't forget to buy "Private Parts - the soundtrack". > It goes on sale Tuesday......LLCoolJ and Chili Peppers, > Type O and Ozzy, Rob Zombie and Howard Stern, Porno > for Pyros w/ Dave Navarro, Marilyn Manson, clips > from the movie, and the BEN STERN MEGA-MIX!!!!!!!
Thanks for giving me a bunch of reasons not to buy it... Ozzy, you say? With Type O? I may have to buy it after all... :P
nuff sayeth. Disclaimer: All entries posted in this text are copyrighted by KorgX3 and are subject to applicable laws. Unauthorized reproduction of any entry contained within without written consent of the owner is strictly forbidden. "Rokz nadz, kikz butz, and hott chikz" are trademarks owned by KorgX3. :)
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 02:59:29 +0000 From: David Sabetai <DAVIDJON@worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Operation Mindcrime Message-ID: <19970225025927.AAA1388@LOCALNAME>
This is to the person who said he had an interpretation of Operation Mindcrime. I deleted that jam by accident, so would you please send me a copy. Thanks. Sorry for no DTC.
Isaac Davidjon@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: more info on official dt shirts Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970224190538.17785C-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Here is more info on those DT shirts. I found them on the web from a store called 'Rocktoys'. I have never dealt w/them.
item #17 'A Change of Seasons' long sleeve from Japan Oct. 95 $45.00
item #255 'Awake' t-shirt, $17 item #16 from Japan, Oct. '95 front: A group photo w/red moon background, says DT, back: says Japan '95 and dates $35.00
item #1188 'A Change of Seasons' tourbook from Japan, $65.00
email them at rocktoys@sonic.net or write PO Box 751446 Petaluma, CA 94975-1446
Also from the DT official site, new 'fix for '96' shirts:
short sleeve, either maroon w/yellow print or grey w/red print front: Majesty logo w/ "An evening of new music" back: photo of the band and tour dates $20 postage included
long sleeve, black with red print front: features art work from all albums back: photo w/tour dates sleeve: says "Dream Theater" and "An Evening of New Music" $30 postage included
Also to any Chilean jammers, I saw a copy of MAIDEN's show from Chile t.v. from the X-Factor. Blaze and Steve Harris get really really really really pissed off at a fan. Does anybody know why??
Conrad
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:50:55 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: you *almost* got it right Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970224224853.1451E-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> From: waynec@earthlink.net (Wayne Clinton) > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: asdf > Message-ID: <199702242020.MAA07789@cyprus.it.earthlink.net> > ytsejam unsubscribe Scott Clinton
hey scott, stick a "-request" in the address line after "ytsejam"
and then flip flop the words unsubscribe and ytsejam in the body, and it's sayonara for ya partha
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:55:29 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I didn't, did I??? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970224225118.1451F-100000@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu>
oh well, that arrant send button gets the best of us, i guess...... Opus' almost wife, as someone has pointed out, Lola Granola......ahhh, but for incompatible noses, what could have been???
DTC: These new DT songs: I know they don't want us to listen, but is it ok to take a peek at lyrics?? (i know, i know, where have i been, eh?)
Point me in the right direction, please
partha
p.s.:epilog to the metallica fiasco i mentioned.....bastards at wrif played an "unreleased" live show from the boyz after the a to z......and i didn't have a blank tape then, either......ohhhhhh, the inhumanity of it all!
"life's a bitch and she's got me whipped I don't got a hope in the world"
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:41:44 +0100 From: e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at (LoneWolf) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SubtleRage - GREAT music !!! Message-ID: <9702250641.AA74754@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hi jammers !
I recommend visiting Andrew Miller's website: http://www.subtlerage.com/
I listened to his samples. WOW !!! Andy is and will always be one of my favourite musicians. Great music, great lyrics, great voice. LadyDragon was right: being a good musician means being able to play from the heart. Andy plays from the heart. Do I need to say more ?
Please don't just download his samples. Support him by ordering his tapes. He deserves it.
Keep on jamming ! Wolf.
----- http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8825527/ ----- ---------- LoneWolf@dreamt.org -----------------
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