YTSEJAM Digest 2158
Today's Topics:
1) ACOS question.
by Seth Casale <casals@Sage.EDU>
2) thoughts on LtL
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
3) A couple o' ramblings
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
4) RUSH VIDS
by Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
5) James Labrie
by Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
6) Re: Derek Sherinian
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) Re: New Years DT Question
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
8) Re: New Years DT Question
by Drummnstan@aol.com
9) 96's best shows, and vinnie the tough guy
by WildKoba@aol.com
10) the year i listen to marillion
by WildKoba@aol.com
11) you know what (sui)
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) Music (for a change)
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
13) Threshold, Angra request
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
14) more and more savatage
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
15) FW: the year i listen to marillion
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
16) FW: Progressive Metal w/Female Vocalist
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
17) Re: FW: the year i listen to marillion
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 13:26:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Seth Casale <casals@Sage.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ACOS question.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970104132351.15640B-100000@zeus>
could anyone tell me the type of snare drum that portnoy uses on ACOS?
(not the brand please)
thanks,
Seth
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 12:26:56 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: thoughts on LtL
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970104182656.006acb30@mail.inlink.com>
>
>When we enter the year 2000, are DT going to change the lyrics in the part
>when James sings "the 90's bring new questions" when its played live?
>How's it going to sound? "the turn of the century brings new
>questions...."?
well since the whole groove and flow of the song deals with and talks
specificly in this time period, i think they'll probably leave the lyrics as
they be. :) they'd have to write a whole new song if it was about questions
of 2000. just like you dont change the date of the world war or something.
and of course, for all you trigger happy marksmen out there, this is just my
opinion :)
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:52:07 -0500
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(Ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A couple o' ramblings
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970104195207Z-1588@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> >For all of you who have Shadow Gallery's 'Carved in Stone', have
>> >you checked out the Special Thanks To section?
>> Maybe I have a different printing or something, but I can't find
>> Derek's name in the Thanks section anywhere. I did find Kenny Rogers
>> (the Kenny Rogers? Anyone know?)
Well, this is definitely possible. This may come as a surprise to many
of you upstarts but Kenny Rogers really did have a decent thing going,
musically, for a while - as odd as this sounds. He was the front man
for the band First Edition. While he refers to this part of his life as
his "bleak period", they really had a few cool songs. Go to your
parent's closet full of albums and see if there is anything there.
Psychedelic, yet melodic rock is the best way to describe it. It will
definitely sound a bit dated - because it is - but it is still cool
music if you put it into perspective. Check out songs like "What
condition my condition is in" (which may explain the "bleak period"
comment from above).
>> It's a brand new year and something came to mind while listening to
>> Learning to Live. The two times that I saw Dream Theater at Birch Hill,
>> they always ended the show with Learning to Live.
>> When we enter the year 2000, are DT going to change the lyrics in the part
>> when James sings "the 90's bring new questions" when its played live?
>> How's it going to sound? "the turn of the century brings new
>> questions...."?
I always thought that the lyrics to LtL were at the pinnacle except for
that one damned line. "The 90's bring new questions" always seemed so
cheesy to me. How about "the future brings new questions" ??
>> Much about Marillion <snipped>
I remain confident that if one gives Fugazi enough listens, it will grow
on you and become one of your favorite CDs, unless you just cannot stand
the sound of Fish's voice. Great progressive songwriting.
>> Much about cover songs <snipped>
People seem to fall into two distinct camps just like the TDK vs. Maxell
thing, the Pitch card rules thing and the chili recipe thing. Those who
want covers to sound blood-faithful to the original and those who want
different versions of the songs. I just dont understand the former. To
me (at least for a CD release) I just dont see any point in replicating
what the original artist did.
Using logical thinking, as one gets closer to perfecting what the
original artist recorded, you get progressively closer to eliminating
the need/desire to have the new version, right ?? It shows that one is
technical enough to copy, but so what. Covering songs in a different
manner provides new reason to listen to the same songs. How can you not
appreciate the new guitar work on La Villa by Steve Morse ?? I'm not
saying that it is better, but it is still cool. Who would have wanted
Hendrix to cover Watchtower exactly like Dylan recorded it ??
I can see that for a live performance it is decent to hear well played
covers and this can be for a variety of reasons. It could rekindle an
old favorite song from the distant past (Funeral For a Friend). It
could also give JP an opportunity to rip out a great solo (Perfect
Strangers). But even live, a little of this goes a long way. What
would you rather hear at a DT concert, Deep Purple covers or DT songs ??
(I guess that if you are stuck on the left coast, you would like to
hear either - hehehehe :)
Been flamed in the past, am ready for more ...... let 'er rip !!!
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
PS - TDK, dont trump unless you cant follow suit and a few beans are OK
and use lots of Cumin.
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 13:54:49 -0700
From: Cliff & Pam Wheaton <cwheaton@micron.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RUSH VIDS
Message-ID: <32CEC399.1A06@micron.net>
Hi-
you asked:
> Can anyone tell me what the "Exit... Stage Left" and "Chronicles" videos are
> like? Are they worth buying?
They are awesome!! Of course, being a fanatacal Rush Fan, I'm biased!!
I had to have a friend dub ESL for me tho-I tried to order it and it may
be out of print. I'd offer to dub it for ya-but don't have the equipment
or knowledge to do so. Yes, they are worth buying!!
Pam
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:04:21 -0400
From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James Labrie
Message-ID: <85256415.00721321.00@smtp1.discovery.com>
Cliff Totten
01/04/97 04:04 PM
For some reason, ( all of a sudden ) I just remembered that James sang for
CONEY HATCH back in the early 80's. This generates a couple of questions:
1.) Does anyone remember this?
2.) Does anyone HAVE any of it?
3.) Does anyone have any opinions on how it sounds? (is it worth looking
for?)
Woops, I guess I broke my promise.....James is 1/5 of dream theater.
That makes this post only 20% DT content! ......sorry
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 17:13:58 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek Sherinian
Message-ID: <32CED626.5761@caribe.net>
Wayne and/or Carole Chesser wrote:
> Maybe I have a different printing or something, but I can't find Derek's
> name in the Thanks section anywhere. I did find Kenny Rogers (the Kenny
> Rogers? Anyone know?) Where is Derek supposed to be? Maybe I'm just blind.
>
> --
> Wayne
>
> "A different opinion is just another point of view" - Fates Warning
Hehe i thought i was the only one.. hehe mine doesnt have it either...
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 16:33:35 -0500
From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Years DT Question
Message-ID: <32CECCAF.17BD@net1plus.com>
I've often wondered about LTL myself. The first time I heard the
lyrics, I wondered why JM limited the topic to the '90s. I know its
about HIV, but since there is no literal mention of it in the lyrics, it
could be applied to anything. It could be a topic that transcends time.
I always thought the lyrics would work better if it said "These times
they bring new questions..." or something of the like. That way the
song would always seem relevant, not just in this decade.
-Jon Dery
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:16:54 -0500
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New Years DT Question
Message-ID: <970104171654_1822816578@emout20.mail.aol.com>
ok, im gonna put my $.02 in on this topic just cause ive got some pennies to
share as i watch the broncs and jags play. IMO LtL is an amazing song that
was written by an amazing band, about personal issues that were going thru
their heads at the time, much like anything they have recorded, (ive never
heard a DT song that I havent liked) the point is (IMO, remember, IMO) that
the lyrics are reflective of the time that the song was written and shouldnt
need to be changed. Put an oldies song on the radio and what will you hear?
Songs with lyrics reminiscent of the years that they were written. they
haven't re-recorded those songs in order to change the lyrics to bring them
out of the 50's and into the 90's so why should DT change thier lyrics to
bring LtL up to date. IMO many songs have some sort of emotion attached to
them and usually the attachment is of the time or era that that song is from,
and by changing something like that could possibly destroy all emotions from
the song(IMO<IMO<IMO). Much like the song Take Away My Pain being about JP's
father's passing, something that he is probably always reminded of each and
every time he hears or plays that song, LtL will probably trigger memories of
what that line meant to the writer. wether or not it was written about HIV
or AIDS it will still trigger up memories and visions of the time that it was
written " the ninities bring new questions" very important because the
ninties is when AIDS awareness became a thing that everyone had to deal with.
So therefore why change it, it's landmark is anchored in this time period
when people had to open their eyes a little bit wider and start to see things
more clearly. Much like when you see older , older , older groups perform the
dont change the words "it is" to "it was" because they want you to be able to
reminisce about the times when the song was written. sorry for this really
long rambling but OHH WELL>>>>(keep in mind this is written IMO>>>)
laterz,
stan
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:30:51 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 96's best shows, and vinnie the tough guy
Message-ID: <970104173051_1689438716@emout08.mail.aol.com>
andrew forcier's thing about the best shows he's seen all year had me
thinking about it too, (at least in the nyc area) and i guess i'd like to add
upon, or shall we say, aggrandize.
5) rush, albany, ny. as andrew himself said it. great song picks, so-so
sound, and mad raving fans. it was a rush fan's dream come true. and even
cooler, they started "2112" at approximately 9:12 pm, which of course, is
21:12 military time.
4) tori amos, binghamton, ny. i had seen her in may and i thought it was a
poor show. she came to my school no less and blew my nutsack off. well done
show, even with the annyoing lights.
3) vernon reid- irving plaza. most eclectic show i've ever seen. bass
clarinet solos, and the samchillian cheep-cheep teepee, or whatever it's
really named. vernon did himself good after quitting living colour.
2) george clinton and the pfunk all-stars. 4th of july central park. a party!
it was just insane, and that was before the spaceship came and took ol'
george away.
1) king's x- tramp's. very skeptical about this show, but actually got to
like them a lot more afterwards, and they were just fantastic.
honorable mention: mmw (binghamton), gov't. mule (tramp's), thought industry
(batcave), ethyl mertz.
shows i reget missing; king crimson, both alone and at the horde festival.
yes at s.l.o. (i wish i lived in california), and of course, any of the dt
shows last month.
eagerly awaiting- albums from dt, yes, queensryche, prince, thought industry,
and nine inch nails. yummy-ho!
question: i saw this in "keyboard" magazine the other day. does anyone have
rick wright's (pink floyd keys) new solo album? i understand it's
progressive, and it's got some hot musicians on it. any info would be
appreciated.
vinnie lupone, you tough guy. i'm more or less ready to continue my thing
about ayg. 6th chords, so email me here if you wish to continue as well.
seeyas woo-hahhhhhh, i gotcha all in check.
ytsegoon
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david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"energy, intensity, eclecticism" - robert fripp
"the present-day composer refuses to die." -e. varese
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:31:24 -0500
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the year i listen to marillion
Message-ID: <970104173122_1722993022@emout12.mail.aol.com>
ok, i've been on the list for a while, about alomst 2 years or so, and i've
always heard someone say something about marillion. i've never listened to
them, and i think now is the time. can someone please (privately is fine)
recommend to me what is a good album to start off with? perhaps their most
known, perhaps the one with all the classic tunes. progressivity is
irrelevant- i'll get it sooner or later. thank you.
ytsegoon
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david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's
frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from
giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix
"through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 14:38:06 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: you know what (sui)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970104143804.006845f8@cats.ucsc.edu>
Ken McWatters wrote:
---
Hey guys,
It's been several jams since this guy posted his suicide message,
but I thought I should repost the header of the original message:
>Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 09:30:41 -0800
>From: Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
>To: AIX post <aix-l@pucc.princeton.edu>,
>Subject: I'm sorry
>Message-ID: <32BD7041.7FFC@bga.com>
First off, the msg was posted on 12/22, but didn't show up on the jam
until 1/1. Secondly, the To: field appears to be to several addresses
(with the AIX post, which I assume is an auto-crosspost). So it seems
likely that this guy got this post all over the internet, and is not
necessarily a ytsejammer. I'm glad the guy is ok, but hmmm.. looks
a lot like he wanted attention to me. IMO.
Ken
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Which was a _major_ influence over why I wrote what I did. Some of that is
(apparently) not entirely correct. I know that I certainly wouldn't have
said anything if I thought that this guy might actually read my letter.
Not that I'm afraid to get angry over someone's motives to their face, but
this guy needs support, not people arguing at him right now, which is why I
haven't addressed any responses other than my first back to the jam, and
why I will not do so in the future. I stand behind everything I said and
still believe it to be true, and anybody who thinks I'm callous or
insensitive or that I believed that nothing should have been done and the
suicide letter ignored is WRONG. I can say that because I know how I feel.
If you are confused and want to know what I am really thinking, write to
me. And don't be like that Ptacek fool (whom I'm embarrassed to share a
first name with) who has decided that HE KNOWS WHAT EVERYONE IS THINKING
and therefore is a god who has the power of deciding who is an asshole and
can flame without thinking as his divine right. If you act like him you
will get flames back, and eventually an intelligent response if you seem
capable of handling one.
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+
__\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+
\_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | |
/__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | |
// \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ |
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 14:52:40 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Music (for a change)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970104145238.0067adac@cats.ucsc.edu>
Marillion:
I once listened to Holidays in Eden at a store and didn't like it. Of
course, with all the other recommendations here I'm still looking to find a
copy of Brave that I can listen to. I liked the "sound" but it wasn't
"proggy" enough for me.
(see? that's how we can express our opinions without insulting others)
Enchant:
The singer too high? James sings MUCH higher than the guy in Enchant. I
say this because I can sing everything in enchant except the high
"longing........aaaaaaaaaa" at the end of the first song, and I can't sing
a lot of what James sings (my high is in the A range, and James often sings
to the E above that)
I think they are a great group. Arguably the best of the Magna Carta bands
for me. Yeah, Altura and Lemur Voice are Heavier, but these guys just have
the right "sound" for me. Really subjective, but that's what music is,
right? :)
Working Man:
I'm confused as to how Working Man sounds "bad" production-wise. It sounds
wonderful to me (except the vocals by Slaughter and the Mr Big guy, but
that's not production, is it?) hm. Yeah, I even like Devin's vocals -- a lot.
Streets:
Bought it at my local Blockbuster Music. Normal price, easy to find in the
US.
Of course, this is the same BlobkBuster music that carried Fish Out Of
Water in the imports section. The manager is a Yes fan, and has talked to
me about trading a Yes boot of his for a copy of Critical Mass. :)
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+
__\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+
\_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | |
/__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | |
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 19:46:25 -0800
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Threshold, Angra request
Message-ID: <32CF2411.5B89@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Someone wanted reviews of Threshold and Angra... I have a couple of
reviews on my Unsigned bands page, but here is the summary...
Threshold
---------
They currently have three albums, #4 due early next year. Wounded Land
has one singer on it and Psychedecatessan and Livedelica have another
singer. The new album will have the singer from Wounded Land on it. (if
that isn't confusing... <grin>) They are not as complex as Dream
Theater, they are kinda heavy like old Metallica with some nice keyboards
added in, the vocalists are both pretty powerful. Guitar stands out and
I think they have several passages with dualing or doubled guitar/guitar
and guitar/keyboard. Lyrics on Wounded Land deal with environmental
concerns, kind athe type of stuff that Neil Peart would dream up prior to
Roll the Bones. I'd start out with Psychedelicatessan.
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/sign_t.htm#Threshold is the URL for more
info.
Angra
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They have two official releases and a lot of boot and fan club style
releases which include some of their demos. The official releases are
Angels Cry and Holy Land. Angels Cry is incredible melodic metal, and
they have one of the strongest if not the best prog-metal singer I've
heard. LaBrie is good, but he can't top Andre Matos. This guy has a
huge range, he can sing very well at high ranges, generally he is
flawless. Music is tight and heavy, Holy Land brings in some world
musical elements and is more of a progressive style disk, still heavy but
it may take some listening to for you to love it. I wasn't enamored by
it on the first listen, though I love it now.
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/sign_a.htm#Angra is the URL if you want
to check out my discography, review, and the link to their homepage which
has tons of info on them.
Take care,
Mike
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WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 19:26:29 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: more and more savatage
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970105012629.006b1dc4@mail.inlink.com>
i had left the tv on today, and i'm in the other room, all of the sudden i
hear savatage's Dead Winter Dead, Sarajevo, start up and play. now i know
Christmas Eve has been on mtv lately, but this was real savatage.. so i run
in, and its this ice skater, he's obvoiusly a real cool guy, and the music
he'd picked to skate to was a seuging of pieces from dead winter dead,
ending with the last track.. and he was flawless too, you could tell he was
a real fan of the music, and he skated amazingly too it.. it was awesome to
see, i reaaaaly think if they'd just have a shot in the public savatage
could really pull something off, but at the rate they have to keep releasing
stuff overseas now and not even in america that aint gonna happen. it'd be
very cool to see though.
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 17:44:01 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: FW: the year i listen to marillion
Message-ID: <199701050144.RAA00163@ms.kallback.com>
>can someone please recommend to me what is a good album to start off with?
Start with "Six of one, Half a Dozen of the Other", which is a collection of
songs apx half
with their old singer, Fish, from 4 albums, and half with their new singer,
Steve Hogarth, from their next two albums. They've also had 2 more albums
since 6 of 1, and another one coming for 97.
Then decide which songs you like, find out which albums they're on,(I could
help), then get those.
The older stuff is heavier than the new.
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Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 17:47:21 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: FW: Progressive Metal w/Female Vocalist
Message-ID: <199701050147.RAA00159@ms.kallback.com>
> I was just wondering if there were any
progressive metal bands out there with a female vocalists.
Try "Leger De Main" (sleight of hand). They are the same guys from the band
"Drama" but with a female singer.
*I* like it.
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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:03:31 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FW: the year i listen to marillion
Message-ID: <199701050213.TAA29010@cyberhighway.net>
> Start with "Six of one, Half a Dozen of the Other", which is a collection of
> songs apx half
> with their old singer, Fish, from 4 albums, and half with their new singer,
> Steve Hogarth, from their next two albums. They've also had 2 more albums
> since 6 of 1, and another one coming for 97.
> Then decide which songs you like, find out which albums they're on,(I could
> help), then get those.
> The older stuff is heavier than the new.
I wouldn't ever term any Marillion heavy. :) Anyway, that
compilation CDs a dandy. There's a couple of songs on there I
recognized from the radio by Hogy. Never buy Marillion though if
you're looking for heavy stuff. The reason I like 'em is because
they're one of the more emotional and intellectual bands I've heard
in a long time. I think it's cool that the lyrics in Clutching at
Straws nearly sent me scrambling for my Webster's Thesaurus. The
music is pure genious and flows like gravy over potatoes. Whee!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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