YTSEJAM Digest 2156
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Reviews requested
by Drummnstan@aol.com
2) Re: Marillion RULEZ!
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Re: I'm sorry
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@www.hotmail.com>
4) on various subjects..
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
5) one more for the dying thread road
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
6) Rush tribute
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) Think, people...
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
8) Re: I'm sorry
by "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@www.hotmail.com>
9) suicide
by Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
10) re: baby care
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
11) help people
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Re: help people
by Drummnstan@aol.com
13) Streets
by jbrett@ultranet.com (Brett Lefebvre)
14) Re: help people
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Re: KorgX3
by jbrett@ultranet.com (Brett Lefebvre)
16) question.....
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
17) Re: help people
by Wayne and/or Carole Chesser <AChesser@concentric.net>
18) Re: Streets
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:15:36 -0500
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Reviews requested
Message-ID: <970103161446_1223740880@emout08.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/3/97 3:12:40 PM, you wrote:
<<~Eternity X
~Conception
~Atomic Opera
~Liquid Eclipse
~[Any other heavy prog bands I don't know of]
>>
reviews for atomic opera, this band is great, not to prog but really rock,
i got into them cause i was freinds with their manager, to the person asking
about them email me if you want a .wav of them ill send you one, they are
really good.
laterz,
stan
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:44:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Marillion RULEZ!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970103162739.27863B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Mark Bredius wrote:
> > sorry man, but i didnt feel good about this band, and felt i had to
> > say it but well thats my honest opinion,
>
> You had no right to say that crap, at least *not* like *that*. Also,
> you *can't* have an opinion about a band, after having listened to a
> *few* songs only *ONCE*. Maybe you *thought* you had an honest opinion,
> but I know from experience that some opinions can be a bit *too* honest
> to post *as is*. If you use *just* the right words, you can state your
> opinion *without* pissing (a lot of) people off. I suggest you try it,
> some time...
This guy had every right to say that something (in this case
Marillion) sucked. I don't think we have ytsejam police yet stating that
we can't say anything "sucks." I hope we never do. I think this poster
wasn't descriptive at all in why "Marillion sucks" but why are some people
telling him that he "can't post crap like that?" He wasn't trying to
offend anybody. And so what if you got offended. Deal with it. People
start ripping apart anyone that slags on their favorite bands. Why must we
do this? Are you afraid that their opinion actually has value? Just ignore
them.
> This is not really a flame... Just an honest opinion... ;->
This statement brings up another question: howcome after flaming someone
does the poster say "this is not really a flame?" I took this post to be a
flame.
I can't believe some people get so easily offended if they don't see an
"IMO" after someone's honest opinion. Would you have flamed this guy if he
had said "IMO, Marillion SUCKS?" Hmmm...
Brandon
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Date: 3 Jan 1997 21:50:59 -0000
From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@www.hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I'm sorry
Message-ID: <19970103215059.11084.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey guys,
It's been several jams since this guy posted his suicide message,
but I thought I should repost the header of the original message:
>Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 09:30:41 -0800
>From: Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
>To: AIX post <aix-l@pucc.princeton.edu>,
>Subject: I'm sorry
>Message-ID: <32BD7041.7FFC@bga.com>
First off, the msg was posted on 12/22, but didn't show up on the jam
until 1/1. Secondly, the To: field appears to be to several addresses
(with the AIX post, which I assume is an auto-crosspost). So it seems
likely that this guy got this post all over the internet, and is not
necessarily a ytsejammer. I'm glad the guy is ok, but hmmm.. looks
a lot like he wanted attention to me. IMO.
Ken
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month:
"I'm holding on to life/I'm floating in a stream/Everything's
much clearer now/We live within a dream and never wake"
-Kansas, "Child of Innocence", Masque
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 15:53:19 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: on various subjects..
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970103215319.006b5d68@mail.inlink.com>
>
>Get me right here, I do admire all you guys out there who seem to have the
>patience and will to discuss endless on varius subjects. Myself, I just get
>tired after one or to posts. (NOT saying that it's wrong to care about my
>fellow humans. I just grow tired wery fast.)
one of the things that separates this list from others is the fact that
we're a lot like a giant family.. a lot of these people i've talked to so
much i know them like brothers and sisters, and like you would with any gang
of friends, the discussion isnt always on the same topic.. if you dont dig
it, thats toally fine, i suggest subscribing in ack mode, that way you can
get posts individually, and if the subject doesnt interest you, ya just
delete it, and read what does. i WOULD recommend staying on if you like DT
though, just because it doesnt come out in front, the best, first, foremost,
and coolest DT information will be found right here. :)
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 16:08:20 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: one more for the dying thread road
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970103220820.006d43b8@mail.inlink.com>
>
>First off, the msg was posted on 12/22, but didn't show up on the jam
>until 1/1. Secondly, the To: field appears to be to several addresses
>(with the AIX post, which I assume is an auto-crosspost). So it seems
>likely that this guy got this post all over the internet, and is not
>necessarily a ytsejammer. I'm glad the guy is ok, but hmmm.. looks
>a lot like he wanted attention to me. IMO.
well, he DID know who to mention in thanks when he posted specifically to
the jam, and he began his message with
>O.K. jammers
my guess is he posted to this and another mailing list of which he knew, but
i just lead myself to believe he's a real jammer, and it wasnt an internet
spam.. call it gut instinct. either way, he's fine, we're fine, and i'm
real proud of everyone who personally mailed him.. i always take something
like this seriously, its one thing to defend yourself when you mailed
someone being serious who was joking, thats easy, but what happens when
you're just not sure or you take it as a spam and a joke and the person is
dead the next morning.. maybe he did need a bit of attention to keep him
from letting himself go, thats not a wrong thing, everyone strives for
attention in different ways and amounts, and that cry very may well have
saved his life.
all in all, everyone's done great putting up with this little interupt in
our regularly scheduled programming, and the people fighting with a passion
really strike a flame in my eye.. just look at it this way, if you've stuck
with the topics you're a lot more educated on peoples thoughts and feelings
on the subject, there was a lot to learn from this, and also hopefully you
can all realize how fucking good you have it, that you can wake up every
morning with enough confidence to conquer the day, and do it over and over
again. theres no reason to be depressed from reading this stuff, all the
more reason to sit outside and let the sun hit your face, because if you're
reading this, you're alive
:)
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:18:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush tribute
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970103171456.11561A-100000@bdmserver>
Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> wrote
<bitching about Rush tribute deleted>
Something that really pisses me off is when people say a tribute album
sucks since it sounds nothing like the original material. Dont you
realize what the word tribute means? It is a tribute for God's sake. That
means the performers can perform the song the way they see fit. I mean if
all the tributes sounded exactly note for note like the originals then
they would suck. Thankfully the performers perform their very own
interpretation of the songs. BTW Devin sounds great on Natural Science...
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 17:29:59 -0800
From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Think, people...
Message-ID: <199701032227.AA04008@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
Just sitting here wondering if I'm the only one who actually
thinks before I post. People seem to be writing huge apologies that say
they didn't say *such and such* the right way. Please: type then
proofread, then revise, then submit. It saves a lot of aggravation and
misunderstanding.
Also for people complaining about the content. Everything you
could possibly want to know factually is either in the FAQ or on other
websites. What is in here are people's opinions. It can help to open your
mind to new ideas and new music, if done properly. If you don't like it,
don't think your *this list sucks* posts are going to help, because
experienced jammers skip right past 'em. Unless of course, they choose to
flame you first... hehe
Oh, and it was nice to see that T4E and Sketches of Spain were
both in someone's changer. At risk of plagiarizing, I guess I'll list
mine:
Four plus one gratuitous CDs (is that right?):
1) Miles Davis: Seven Steps To Heaven
2) Joshua Redman: Moodswing
3) Enya: Watermark
4) Enya: Shepherd Moons
5) Dream Theater: Awake
All right, I guess I need to explain 3 & 4... It's for falling asleep to.
Plus I like it... And chicks dig it. hehe (I'm also plagiarizing the
*hehe*. Is this guy on nitrous oxide?)
Andrew
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Date: 3 Jan 1997 23:31:42 -0000
From: "Ken McWatters" <kmcwatters@www.hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I'm sorry
Message-ID: <19970103233142.26190.qmail@hotmail.com>
Whoops,
I just read jam #2151, and I guess Erik is a ytsejammer. Sorry for
the presumption otherwise. Erik, next time (hopefully there won't
be!), please reach out to someone more immediately available to help,
like a family member, a crisis hotline, or similar. Personal
attention, someone "on the line" can do more for you than well wishes
from us.
Ken
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters Quote of the month:
"I'm holding on to life/I'm floating in a stream/Everything's
much clearer now/We live within a dream and never wake"
-Kansas, "Child of Innocence", Masque
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 17:38:45 -0600
From: Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: suicide
Message-ID: <32CD9885.352B@mail.stlnet.com>
Um i was just checking up on my jams ( I was real behind on them ) And i
see all this suicide stuff . Well now i see that problem is somewhat
sloved , but i would like to say that i have had many bad times
throughout my young 15 year old life . All I have to say was you just
got to hang in there!! Their is allways a light at the end of the tunnel
and you will get to better times in your life . You must go through your
like knowing that it will get better .NEVER NEVER NEVER give up hope
!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 18:56:18 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: baby care
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970103235618.0067efa0@ici.net>
>> now does anyone have any baby CARE tips? :)
>
>Avoid that "soft spot" like the plague.
Great. I can't touch the top of her head, she doesn't like it when people
touch her feet, and frankly, I'm not too fond of what normally ends up in
the "middle" area.
Doesn't leave much area left.... :)
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>" From now on, my posts will have 90% ( or greater ) Dream Theater relevant
>content in them"
I refuse to make that kind of promise, because sometimes I just gotta say
something and I can't always work DT into it. If that offends anyone, feel
free to skip my posts.
And to add to your top 10 non-DT posts...
11)Posts about jammers' babies
Although I would like to say that her first exposure to music (on the
outside, that is), was WDADU, which I played for her in the car on the ride
home today. She didn't cry, which may be a good sign, but she seemed to like
"Status Seeker", which has me a bit worried... :)
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>I seem to have a problem with canceling this news letter... I was originally
>trying to get the DREAM THEATER news letter... is it possible for you to
>change me over? Or atleast cancel this letter... AOL lost half my back mail
Hrmmm.....maybe the signal/noise ratio problem is worse than I thought....
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E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 20:18:36 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: help people
Message-ID: <32CDAFEC.15B4@caribe.net>
Can anyone please email me (Privately) proper instructions on how to
unsub.. (i dont wanna mess up and soun more idiotic than i already do)
and no dont celebrate yet.. ill be off the jam for only one week. :)
--
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:44:06 -0500
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: help people
Message-ID: <970103203558_745276464@emout12.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/4/97 12:45:13 AM, you wrote:
<<Can anyone please email me (Privately) proper instructions on how to
unsub.. (i dont wanna mess up and soun more idiotic than i already do)
and no dont celebrate yet.. ill be off the jam for only one week. :)
-- >>
skadz posts unsubbing procedures weekley, watch your email and you will see
it
laterz,
stan
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:02:37 -0500 (EST)
From: jbrett@ultranet.com (Brett Lefebvre)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Streets
Message-ID: <199701040202.VAA18660@lucius.ultra.net>
Does anyone who owns Streets by 'Tage tell me where you bought it because
I've been looking for it for a couple weeks now and I'm really getting
frustrated.
Anyway, getting on to lighter subjects, I was wondering if anybody has a
recommendation for a good DT bootleg. I have Rockin' Japan, but the quality
isn't so good. I am looking for one that was recorded off the soundboard. So
anybody with more knowledge than myself (I'm sure there are plenty :P) could
give me a recommendation. Thank you
Carpe Diem, my friends
Aiki-Ax
"To die, to sleep,
To sleep - perchance to dream." -Hamlet
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 22:04:57 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: help people
Message-ID: <32CDC8D9.6B43@caribe.net>
Drummnstan@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/4/97 12:45:13 AM, you wrote:
>
> <<Can anyone please email me (Privately) proper instructions on how to
> unsub.. (i dont wanna mess up and soun more idiotic than i already do)
> and no dont celebrate yet.. ill be off the jam for only one week. :)
>
> -- >>
>
> skadz posts unsubbing procedures weekley, watch your email and you will see
> it
>
> laterz,
> stan
dude i need it for tomorrow or sunday
do you know?!
--
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:11:52 -0500 (EST)
From: jbrett@ultranet.com (Brett Lefebvre)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KorgX3
Message-ID: <199701040211.VAA13837@cinna.ultra.net>
Right on man, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I couldn't agree
with you more.
God I hate MTV and anything mainstream. For all you mainstream haters follow
this link. The top ten lists are really funny...
http://www.cris.com/%7Efragface/greenday.html
***Don't be fooled by the greenday in the link. It's only to flame
Carpe Diem, my friends
Aiki-Ax
"To die, to sleep,
To sleep - perchance to dream" - Hamlet
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:37:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: question.....
Message-ID: <199701040239.SAA21338@pawn.ax.com>
Anyone know where I get get a copy of an album by the opening act
for DT on the "Fix" tour......Einstein......please E-mail me and
let me know.....
I saw an album for a band called "NATURAL Einstein", and it had
four people in it, one of them was a woman ( a good-looking one, too)
but I was hesitant in getting it.,....
Any help would be appreciateed......
Thanks,
Al
P.S. - The GC EP that I got was called "Feel the Rage" - didn't
particularly like it - sounded kinda basic, but I'll give it a
couple more listens....
P.P.S. - Found my Echolyn tape "As the World" yesterday.....damn,
I forgot how good they were, and how rude the Birch Hill
crowd was was they opened for DT....*sigh*
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 21:06:17 -0600
From: Wayne and/or Carole Chesser <AChesser@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: help people
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970104030617.0076ec2c@pop3.concentric.net>
At 06:18 PM 1/3/97 -0800, you wrote:
>dude i need it for tomorrow or sunday
>do you know?!
Here is the info you asked for.
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Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 21:27:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Streets
Message-ID: <199701040327.VAA13153@parka.winternet.com>
>
> Does anyone who owns Streets by 'Tage tell me where you bought it because
> I've been looking for it for a couple weeks now and I'm really getting
> frustrated.
Best Buy should have it. The local Best Buy currenlty has all Savatage
U.S. releases except FFTR and DWD.
Nathan Bradley
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