YTSEJAM Digest 2153
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Lemur Voice and IME
by Drummnstan@aol.com
2) re: need help deciding...
by Tilman Kuendgen <kuen5002@uni-trier.de>
3) type o quickie :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
4) Sucks/Rules!
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
5) Rolling Down the Road to Self-Destruction
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
6) Heehee.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
7) Baby Care Tip #1
by "RobertHenderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com>
8) Bandwidth !
by Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
9) WebRing
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
10) Ministry/Primus
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) assorted shit, and its' respective heads.
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
12) sigh...
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Re: assorted shit, and its' respective heads.
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:10:01 -0500
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Lemur Voice and IME
Message-ID: <970102160947_1689110239@emout20.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/2/97 6:55:19 PM, you wrote:
<<Forgive the ignorance, but who is/are IME?
>>
I Mudda Eart, or in proper english, I Mother Earth, and yes they are very
good,
laterz,
stan
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 22:34:08 +0100
From: Tilman Kuendgen <kuen5002@uni-trier.de>
To: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: need help deciding...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970102213408.006840f0@urt-stud.uni-trier.de>
> Hello... recently, I was at the local music store and I found two DT
>imports.
>One was "Mind Control", for 40 dollars (2-cd set) and the other one I didn't
>quite catch the name. It had the "flaming heart" logo with the word "Classic"
>on the top. I am a bit short of cash, so I can't buy two.. Could someone
>please enlighten me as to what quality each is, and which one I should
>perhaps spend my money on. Thanks.
>
>- Dan
I don't know much about this "Classic DT" boot (I don't think it's so good)
, but I can definitely recommend Mind Control. It's the whole Japan PPV
show, soundboard, pretty good sound quality. Although James is struggling
with a bad cold, it's still my favorite DT boot, AFTER the "Dance Of
Eternity" boot...Happy nes year!
Tilman.
name tilman kuendgen
address kuen5002@uni-trier.de
music tape traders feel free to contact me
progressivespacerockmetaljazzfusiontechnoambientdubtrance
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 15:38:53 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: type o quickie :)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970102213853.006ab0ec@mail.inlink.com>
>Did RipZero really mean that Type 0'Neg is a new band ?? I might've
>gotten you wrong, but they've been around for years. I know, 'cos
>I've been a fan since their first releases.
no no, tool has also been around for years.. but compared to bands like rush
and yes who've been doing this stuff for decades these bands are still
babies. that's of course just the way i viewed it while making my statement.
sorry if i caused any confusion ;)
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:52:26 -0800
From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sucks/Rules!
Message-ID: <32CC584A.3CCD@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Just a quick comment on the Sucks/Rules debate. I write quite a few
reviews and really don't think that just saying "It sucks" or "It Rules"
is a very effective review of a piece of music. I own all of the
Marillion albums and the guy who said Marillion "sucks" based on
listening to part of one album didn't even tell the members of the jam
what the name of the album was. Can he judge a band, wrap up all of
their musical career and all of their albums of which he has heard one in
the term "sucks." It seems a bit brief. Plus it really won't go to any
great lengths to prevent anyone from buying a Marillion album. If he
really felt that they were such a weak band, he should have wrote
something like, "The singer Steve Hogarth, tries and fails to capture the
true magic of an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical with his showmanship and
vocals. The guitar playing resembles something that would be heard as
background music on "Jesus Christ Superstar" during the trial in the
garden scene, or an old Phil Collins solo song." If I read a review like
this from him and I had never heard Marillion before, I may not buy any
of their albums since I'm only a marginal fan of Webber and I'd rather
listen to the real thing than a pale imitation. The same thing goes for
"this band rules" comments. So what, what do they rule? Brazil?
Arkansas? I have no idea from that review. If you are going to bother
to rave about a band, say more than they rule or suck, otherwise you are
jsut using up bandwidth unneccessarily. That is my first flame for the
new year. <grin>
BTW a shameless plug for my Unsigned Bands pages. I have caught up on
all of the link requested of me, and I am now answering submissions to
review tapes/CDs for the WWW site. If you have mailed me over the last 6
months about any of this stuff I will be getting to you in the next few
days. For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, I run a WWW
page with information on unsigned or independent label bands, primarily
prog-metal, fusion, and prog-rock bands. I also have a link section
which I use to trade links with bands who don't fit this criteria or
don't want to submit me something to review. e-mail me at
mbacko1@umbc.edu if you have any questions or visit the WWW site at
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
It includes bands like Shadow Gallery, Boud Deun, Mastermind, Vaudxvihl,
and tons more.
Happy New Year!
Mike
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Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1
WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html
WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 17:13:13 -0500
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: O:
Subject: Rolling Down the Road to Self-Destruction
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970102221313.006ae044@pop.pipeline.com>
If you can tear yourselves away from the discussion of suicide, etc.,
I would like to promote as my personal "album of the year" (which
unfortunately I forgot to mail Syrinx) as Stratovarius' "Episode." This
album should appeal to anyone who likes the heavier stylings of Dream
Theater with a bit more of a metal direction. Keyboards done by our
very own Jens Johansson. Clear, melodic vocals. Great guitar work.
I can't get over how good this album is. There should be some sound bytes
available somewhere. In fact, I believe there is an official web-site which
can be accessed through Jens' homepage. I know Ldydragon has a link.
Also, one can buy this cd directly form Noise International's LA office
for about 15 dollars, or perhaps elsewhere. Just don't pay 25 dollars because
the import is available cheaply here in the states.
Kevin
GO WINGS!!!
GO PACKERS!!!
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:32:28 -0800
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Heehee.
Message-ID: <199701022232.OAA19112@m5.sprynet.com>
>From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Marillion SUCKS!
Rofl. :) What album did you get, btw?
>OUCH!
>I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this list is no place
>for this
>(BAND NAME) SUCKS/RULES crap.
But what if they really, truly DO suck? (or rule) Let it be known!
>Then there's that feeling of "nothing". Which scares me, think about the
>fact that you were no more, you couldn't think anymore or anything else.
The ultimate peace, duder. You wouldn't be aware of the fact that you were
nothing...there would be, in fact LITERALLY NOTHING.
>Did you ever try dancing Ministry's Jerry was a racecar driver ?!!
Well, considering that's a Primus song, I can't say that I have.
>Last thing (finally!) is that I want to recommend you to check out a
>band called Eternity-X, if you don't know them yet.
Anything like Beefquad-X? heh..oh well. Remeber that name, though. You will
hear it again, I guarantee. :)
>Forgive the ignorance, but who is/are IME?
Impy Marmalade Elves. They're kind of a death metal/polka/bluegrass outfit.
The singer has three legs, and plays kazoo with his butthole, and they have
a herdy gerdy player and a monkey on the bongos. Quite good, if you like
that kind of thing.
>.men are poisoned into thinking that they have a voice above their noise.
Um. I think there's an operation for that.
>NO, NO, NO! It's this "there are always warning signs" argument that leads
to so
>much guilt on the part of those left behind after a suicide. The fact is,
while
>many times there are warning signs,and when we see them we should try to help,
>sometimes there aren't, and it's no use having people hating themselves over
>what they think they could have done.
I know if I was going to commit suicide, I'd do my damned best not to give
any signs. IF i really wanted to commit suicide. Warning signs are signs
that the suicidee (that a word) wants somebody to stop them.
Now, I know I added that....but can we can the suicide stuff? I don't like
being depressed after I read a jam.
Ben Laussade
***********WANTED**********
15 year old mute, Asian bass prodigy!
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:27:06 -0500
From: "RobertHenderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Baby Care Tip #1
Message-ID: <199701022354.SAA30554@darkstar.icdc.com>
> now does anyone have any baby CARE tips? :)
Avoid that "soft spot" like the plague.
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap
robert.henderson@icdc.com
"A Phrygian king had bound a chariot yoke..." -- S. Harris
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:44:57 -0400
From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bandwidth !
Message-ID: <85256413.007A1547.00@smtp1.discovery.com>
Cliff Totten
01/02/97 05:44 PM
Top ten list of my favorite ways to take-up bandwidth on the Jam:
10.) Posts about Girlfriends.
9.) Posts about favorite sports teams.
8.) Posts with cool "keystroke" pictures.
7.) Posts about Greenday.
6.) Posts with song lyrics.
5.) Posts with really long run-on sentences that for some reason seem
to go on for ever and ever while having absolutely nothing whatsoever to
do with dream theater in any shape or form..........breath!
4.) Posts about killing yourself.
3.) Posts about your favorite movie.
2.) Posts about Bandwidth complaints.
and number one..........( drum roll...)
1.) Posts with top ten lists in them.
My Promise to you:
" From now on, my posts will have 90% ( or greater ) Dream Theater relevant
content in them"
p.s Anyone have any news on that Crimson Glory \ Midnight
reunion????....( seriously ! )
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:56:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Cc: mikeb@berry.cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin)
Subject: WebRing
Message-ID: <199701022256.RAA28198@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
I was just looking at the Queensryche page that someone posted, and
noticed that it is a part of a "WebRing", a circular list of QR
dedicated links that are all centrally linked through a CGI script at
http://www.webring.org/ Anyway, I think that we are getting to the
point with DT pages that this looks like a cool idea... I know that
my DT page gets a few thousand hits a month, and I think a way to link
to some of the more unknown sites would be cool...
I would be willing to do the maintainence on it, but I would first
need everyone interested to email me (that is, all of the page
maintainers)... The next step would be to create some graphics for
the WebRing, something that I could possibly do, but I think that
there are probably some graphic artists on the 'Jam who would probably
be able to do a better job...
Anyway, email me personally if interested...
-- +--------------------------------+-------------------------+ | You took away my hero, | Michael Burstin | | Now take away my pain. | Brandeis University | +--------------------------------+-------------------------+ | John Petrucci, Dream Theater | Lets go Pens & Steelers | +----------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:57:09 -0500 (EST) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ministry/Primus Message-ID: <199701022259.OAA29716@pawn.ax.com>
> > >Did you ever try dancing Ministry's Jerry was a racecar driver ?!! > > Well, considering that's a Primus song, I can't say that I have. >
This is true - I think the person has it confused with a song by Ministry - damn, I forget the name of it - WAIT! I got it.. He might be thinking of "Jesus Built my Hotrod"...both of them are on the "Extreme Games" soundtrack album thingy.....
- Al
p.s. - when I typed WAIT!@ i got it....that was exactly when it came to my head.....weird weird weird.....don't mind me - long day at work......
p.p.s. - Bought Ivanhoe "visions...and reality" - musically these guys rock - but the vocals don't do it for me.. I can't listen through the whole thing....sad.... Also bought Shadow Gallery's "Carved in Stone" - very cool disc kinda mellow but i Think I will enjoy it.... Also bought my first GC album (EP)...don't remember the name off-hand, haven't listened to it yet.....
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:21:33 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: assorted shit, and its' respective heads. Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970102162918.27435A-100000@enteract.com>
> 1. "Bombay Vindaloo" is a sort of "pre-arranged" improv. The atmosphere in > the two songs is similar -- that's not unintentional.
How do you gauge their "intent?"
> 2. Petrucci's semi-clean sound is a direct rip of Alex Lifeson's sound, > circa "Hold Your Fire." He's said this in interviews.
Wanting to get any particular sound on your guitar is influenced by sounds you've heard and liked. I want a good thick distortion for my 7 string, like KoRn's, but I'm not about to start writing music like KoRn. Your sound comes from YOUR hands. JP is so far beyond Lifeson in all areas... somehow I have to doubt he does anything to be "Like Lifeson".
> 4. There tends to be a large synth/sequenced presence at the head of tunes > ("Learning To Live"), which is something that Rush has been doing for a > while ("Big Money," "New World Man," "Force Ten").
I suppose Emerson Lake and Palmer are copying Rush for using synths to start songs too? That's like saying "You started that song with an A7 chord on your guitar! Thief!" > 5. Instrumental as solo piece -- "Ytse Jam" vs. "YYZ"
So they did an instrumental? What's the point? Rush didn't invent the instrumental. That's more of a coincedental similarity if you ask me(and by posting publicly, you are asking me. :))
This is not a flame... I just don't know how much of the similarity between Rush and DT is purposefully done. I love bothe bands, by the way... I just vastly prefer Dream Theater.
> I just bought Paco DeLucia/al di meola/john maclaughlin 's cd Verve..
The album is Guitar Trio (The new one is, anyway), and the RECORD Label is Verve. Just thought you'd want to know, in case you start buying a bunch of Verve albums and thinking there's some conspiracy...
> > it's the people who contemplate suicide that are suicidal. people who > > are dead are dead. > > This is asinine. When people talk about "suicidal," they're talking about people > who actually are planning on doing it, for real. Suicidal is a precursor to > dead, not the mere thought of suicide.
That's exactly what he meant. He's making the point that someone that considers suicide IS suicidal. A suicidal thought is a thought about considering enacting one's own demise.
> > there is a huge difference there. > > There's a huge difference between being suicidal, and wanting help, not death.
But how can YOU draw a distinction? The words and actions are exactly the same from both people. What he's doing is saying that a cry for help like this, unanswered MOST OFTEN DOES result in death. He's old enough that he's not trying to get mommy and daddy to pay more attention, or trying to get a new car out of em'. It's a situation in which someone thinks he is going to end his own life. The feeling is fear and lonliness. If you (referring to anyone on the jam, not you in particular.) want to say "He's faking, for attention" fuck you. I'm not going to be so cynical as to let someone die because I have a superior attitude.
> > but there are always > > warning signs, which is the saddest thing. if people can see the > > warning signs, lives may be saved. > > NO, NO, NO! It's this "there are always warning signs" argument that leads to so > much guilt on the part of those left behind after a suicide. The fact is, while > many times there are warning signs,and when we see them we should try to help, > sometimes there aren't, and it's no use having people hating themselves over
The fact of the matter is, there ARE always warning signs. Sometimes it's just too hard to perceive. That doesn't mean that the friends and family of the deceased are responsible for the death. It means that every human being longs to express himself or herself. Emotions strong enough to induce suicidal thoughts will manifest, but sometimes it takes someone with experience or a trained eye to catch it.
> Oh, but you can? Hypocrite.
No, he's just not willing to take the risk that he's wrong, unlike you. Asshole.
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 18:07:19 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: sigh... Message-ID: <9701030207.AA02194@tengs1>
Well, what sights to see now that I've resubscribed to the 'jam for the new year.
Strangely, I find myself sympathizing with just about everyone's viewpoints on the suicide issue. First, there are *always* options. Sometimes though, the options are so limited that the chances that one will _see_ and _choose_ the option that leads to freedom. This reminds me of the argument of a philosopher, whose name escapes my recognition, who said that even the slaves were "free"; they could've chosen death over slavery. On the surface, this is absurd, but it illustrates the point that freewill is only excersizable within certain parameters. Do the orphans living in the sewers in Belgrade have many options? Are there 800 numbers for them to call for help or shelters they can turn to where they won't be abused like there are in other, stable nations? No. For these, there is little or no hope; yet, still they choose life. Now this is the objective viewpoint.
The subjective viewpoint, in my opinion, is that we are dealing with the intrinsic as well, and that it is this that is rather more significant since it affects the outside world and events in "reality" (kind of like Ben "I, Solipsist" Laussade's comments on mind and body).
What happens when something goes wrong between the genesis of a thought and the realization of the action? Those who have been arguing with Mr. Miller shouldn't disregard his message simply because he comes off as too quickly defensive (from what he's said, you should realize why he does this). Maybye Mr. Stearns doesn't have a mental illness that caused him to think in this manner since a lot of sh*t just seemed to come down very quickly. But those of you less sympathetic should realize that many people are, and for that reason, combined with the same reasons that a non-mentally ill person might act the same *are incapable* of seeing the same options that the rest of us might. My mother, too, is diagnosed manic depressive. She didn't get help until the time I moved out of the house when I was 18. I didn't even *know*; but it sure as hell explained my childhood. (Yes, she was suicidal, too though she didn't admit this until recently). The point is that not everyone's brain works in the same way and not everyone thinks like you (though it would be nice if everyone thought like me :^)> It is arrogance to assume otherwise.
Concerning Brian's problems with Mr. Miller's post, I agree with some of Brian's points concerning the "psychology of guilt". However, we should never play the game of guessing whether a warning sign is "real" or not. A warning sign is a f*cking warning sign. *Accidents* happen. There are suicides where there was evidence that the person was seriously contemplating *not* doing it, but something went wrong in the process and the event took place.
Or almost took place. For instance, three years ago, a dear friend with whom I've lost contact in the past year took some lithium after a friend of mine spurned her amourous advances (now this was merely the catalystic event: she *really* had a messed up home life, and was unable to deal with it in a non-dysfunctional manner). Though I had left to go home several hours before this had happened, I knew everyone else who was there at the time. One friend, almost convinced another friend that she was lying, and really hadn't taken any pills:"She's just doing it for attention [duh]. If she really wanted to kill herself, then she'd go get a gun, or run out onto the highway--- I've had experience with this before."
So there was a long debate on whether or not to take her to the hospital. I can't remember why, but finally, they did take her and it turned out she *had* taken a half a bottle of pills and if they hadn't caught it, then she would've died or been stricken with severe physiological damage. What is the point of this? Well, though my friend wasn't directly responsible for her deciding to take the pills (though I was pissed at him for f*cking with her head)--- it was *her choice* after all, everyone there *was* responsible for her life when she came out and said that she had taken the pills. Are we going to err on the side of death, or that of life due to our imagined notions of why people do the things that they do? I don't know about you, but I choose to step in to save a life even if 99.44% of the time, the signs are false. If I can help just one person at a significant turn in their life and that is all I ever do, then my whole existence has meaning.
Zach
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 22:19:16 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: assorted shit, and its' respective heads. Message-ID: <32CC7AB4.242E@caribe.net>
Chris Ptacek wrote:
> > I just bought Paco DeLucia/al di meola/john maclaughlin 's cd Verve.. > > The album is Guitar Trio (The new one is, anyway), and the RECORD Label is > Verve. Just thought you'd want to know, in case you start buying a bunch > of Verve albums and thinking there's some conspiracy...
(as beavis) ooooooooooh ..uh ok ..heheh ... i sorta figured something was wrong when i saw "The Guitar Trio" in the inside/side/part hehe...
Seize the day, I heard him say : "Life will not always be this way, Look around...hear the sounds... Cherish your life,while you're still around... " <Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons> WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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