YTSEJAM Digest 2151
Today's Topics:
1) Rush record for sale, no dtc
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
2) Re: Im sory
by Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
3) Dreemz.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
4) Marillion SUCKS!
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
5) please read
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net>
6) Good Prog.
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
7) Erik
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
8) Re: Good Prog.
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
9) what the fuck?!?!?
by WildKoba@aol.com
10) FW: Marillion SUCKS!
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
11) Consider this...
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) Re: FW: Marillion SUCKS!
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
13) Re: I'm sorry
by nigelb@thehub.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman)
14) Lemur Voice and IME
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
15) Re: Myung's 1st Bass...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
16) Life
by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 97 23:03:27 -0600
From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush record for sale, no dtc
Message-ID: <32cb419e4bcf006@cliff.ou.edu>
just was going through one of my many record bins and came across
Hemispheres (1978). Anyone interested in having this (it's vinyl all
right), email me, name your price.
Jazz
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 00:26:40 -0800
From: Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Im sory
Message-ID: <32CB7140.31F9@bga.com>
O.K. jammers, It's quiet on the front at the moment. But let me tell
you, I was ready to push the button. When I found that She really does
want a divorce, I just broke down. I've been alone since Thanksgiving
and then now to hear that she's coming monday to pick up the rest of her
stuff, I just fell apart. I honestly don't know why I stopped before
dropping the bomb on myself. I had everything ready to go. And no I
wasn't trying get attention or to start fights.
Thanks to Stan, RipZero, Lisa, and the others who decided to reach out
through my big cluster fuck. I do need to have contact because this
shit that is going on scares the frigging hell out of me.T hanks to all
of you who do care because I need as many allies as I can get. Right
now I feel alone enough that If I'm sitting idle, It rears its ugly
head. This shit that is going retrograde around here scares me.
Please feel free to keep in touch with me either by e-mail or by phone.
Thanks again.
P.S.
Who is Patrick Taylor? he left his name and a short message on my
machine but no number or net address.
-- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he."-- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress
Erik Stearns Starblazer Enterprises Inc. (512) 719-1252 Fax: (512) 719-1066 stearns@bga.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:21:59 -0800 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dreemz. Message-ID: <199701020621.WAA20620@m5.sprynet.com>
> >This has been troubling me all day. I've been trying to decipher it, >but can't figure it out. Usually dreams mean nothing to me, but this >one feels important. Especially being as it's like a new years >dream. I dunno. If anyone else here thinks they can decipher a >meaning out of this, please let me know.
It's simple. It means you want a puppy.
Ben Laussade
***********WANTED**********
15 year old mute, Asian bass prodigy!
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:36:05 -0800 From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marillion SUCKS! Message-ID: <19970102063604838.AAA335@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
i just bought a marillion cd.....im hearing it right now, i havent finished it and must say, i dont even want to ....it SUCKS!!!! big time....
its sounds like cheap imitation of broadway musical combined with a little of genesis, or Phil Collins...i didnt like it....
the guy who signs..sucks....goddamn!!! they suck big time.... they also sound like a bad pop metal band, kinda those groups of heavy metal that appear in movies....haha
but well, can anyone tell me of GOOD prog. rock music??
im new to this...and im disapointed int his group... i did like fates warning....and love dream theater...but marillion??? fuck!!!
see ya///
juan.....
*someone please tell me of a good prog. group!!*
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:04:07 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@avalon.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: please read Message-ID: <199701020703.HAA19289@avalon.net>
i want to apologize in advance for sending this to the jam, but i really feel that the person that wrote this needs to be informed, as well as anyone else out there who may be thinking the same thing. i'll continue this thread through private email from here on out. if you don't wish to read all the details, then check out the URL i listed towards the bottom of the message. (not the one in my sig)
> All of you are being just wonderful and nice, I'm sure, but that wasn't a > real suicide note. Anyone who has lived through friends committing suicide > should know that. This guy may need help, he mentioned medication, and > I'll assume that it was true, he may be ill, but he's not suicidal. That > was a ploy for attention, like a child throwing a tantrum.
your definition of suicidal means one who commits suicide. and your assumption about the validity of the letter is not only foolish, but dangerous. i am terribly sorry to hear about the tragedies in your life, but you cannot assume to have the knowledge of whether or not letters of that sort are real. yes it was a cry for attention; he needed help. someone considering suicide needs help. you must take something like this seriously rather than blow it off based only on your own assumption. that is how people end up dead.
> If this guy was really suicidal, he would not have send out a letter > spamming the jam and who knows what else and then WAITED before doing > something. He was found and helped. If he were suicidal, when the police > arrived he would already be dead.
man you are so wrong. if he commited suicide, he would be dead. it's the people who contemplate suicide that are suicidal. people who are dead are dead. there is a huge difference there. the dead ones cannot be helped. the ones still breathing can. and you and i aren't in the position to say whether the note in question was real or not. we can only help, or not help. I think everyone in that situation needs help...but the ones that are dead...either chose to die...or couldnt find the help they needed. but there are always warning signs, which is the saddest thing. if people can see the warning signs, lives may be saved. that note was a warning sign as clear as day.
> As I said before, this guy was my closest friend, and in fact the first > person in my life who I ever really looked up to, and I've got a right to > be pissed off when some idiot, no matter how serious his problems may be, > plays with the idea of suicide as an attention ploy.
now you're out of line. you are in no position to make personal attacks on the guy who posted that note. because, regardless of what your ignorant mind may be thinking, you do not know for a fact that the note was real or not. hell, you don't even know him.
and i have a right to be upset with someone who presumes to know what they're talking about when in fact, they don't. i have the experience of 23 years of dealing with mental illness and almost that many years watching family members attempt suicide, watching friends die, and watching myself barely make it through several attempts. i also have the experience with talking with numerous psychiatrists whose lives are based around treating people with illness, and talking with counsellors who help suicidal kids as part of their daily job. and i might add, one of them read that letter and they felt it was real enough to be concerned for the guy's health. this person was a trained professional. you aren't.
people that are contemplating suicide can get help. they may be lucky enough to be able to ask for it, sometimes in the form of a letter. they also may not be able to consciously ask for it. if anyone is reading this message and thinks they know someone that may be possibly suicidal, or would like to know what the warning signs are, call a doctor or crisis center and educate yourself. or better yet, check out the following url:
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/1801/suicide1.htm
i recommend that any and all people who have participated in this thread read the contents of this page as well. follow the links on the page as well. it is all very informative.
-Andrew
Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage http://www.avalon.net/~subtlerage - subtlerage@avalon.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:08:14 -0700 From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Good Prog. Message-ID: <199701020808.BAA23792@mustique.u.arizona.edu>
At 10:43 PM 1/1/97 -0800, Juan wrote: >juan..... > >*someone please tell me of a good prog. group!!* > > Rush, maybe? Hey if you want good, heavy, new, fast, heavy prog, go check out "Fire Garden" by Steve Vai.
Later,
Peace be with you and God bless,
~Vince
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 00:29:38 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com Subject: Erik Message-ID: <199701020829.AAA00174@ms.kallback.com>
Hey Jammerz,
Thanks to all of you who responded *positively* to this situation. I am the one from Seattle who called the Austin PD. To Patrick; Thanks for the update. To Justin: Thanks for the support To Stan and Andrew: Thanks for responding to Jaime and Chris. and to Erik: Hang in there, wer'e here for you!
ps. If anyone gets a suicide note from Jaime or Chris, ignore them, they're not real. (sorry, I had to)
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:41:09 -0800 From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Good Prog. Message-ID: <19970102084108487.AAA351@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
At 12:17 AM 1/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:43 PM 1/1/97 -0800, Juan wrote: >>juan..... >> >>*someone please tell me of a good prog. group!!* >> >> > Rush, maybe? Hey if you want good, heavy, new, fast, heavy prog, go >check out "Fire Garden" by Steve Vai. > >Later, > > Peace be with you and God bless, > > ~Vince >
Thanx vince!!
i already heard that song...its great....i love it....in fact...its my favorite vai song....i like rush a lot too...but im a little tired of the same....need to hear something new...
later!
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 03:54:44 -0500 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: what the fuck?!?!? Message-ID: <970102035444_1290601369@emout06.mail.aol.com>
i hope that those that actually got ahold of whatever authorities necessary in order to prevent mr. stearns from his undertaking did so in time. i hope he's ok, and all....i'm kinda stunned by all this. whatever. get him to a safe place and get him some help.
and please, let's try not to make this become a podium for suicide prevention and ethics. i see some of you are already hurling the insults and all at each other b/c one guy has to say something about it in a different point of view. whatever.....i don't think it's up to us to decide if he's a failure, alive or not. i think the important thing here is that he's ALIVE first. i'm sure if you really want to discuss his merits you can discuss them at other times.
i just think this is insane.
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Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 01:10:19 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com Subject: FW: Marillion SUCKS! Message-ID: <199701020910.BAA00141@ms.kallback.com>
OUCH! I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this list is no place for this (BAND NAME) SUCKS/RULES crap.
Also, I'd bet a large number of jammers are also freaks (Marillion list) so watch out for flaming emails.
Trevor
---------- i just bought a marillion cd.....im hearing it right now, i havent finished it and must say, i dont even want to ....it SUCKS!!!! big time....
its sounds like cheap imitation of broadway musical combined with a little of genesis, or Phil Collins...i didnt like it....
the guy who signs..sucks....goddamn!!! they suck big time.... they also sound like a bad pop metal band, kinda those groups of heavy metal that appear in movies....haha
but well, can anyone tell me of GOOD prog. rock music??
im new to this...and im disapointed int his group... i did like fates warning....and love dream theater...but marillion??? fuck!!!
see ya///
juan.....
*someone please tell me of a good prog. group!!*
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 02:26:48 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Consider this... Message-ID: <199701020926.CAA11235@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Erik,
All of us get lost in the darkness, but dreamers learn to steer by the stars. All of us do time in the gutter, but dreamers turn to look at the cars. Turn around and walk the razor's edge. Don't turn your back and slam the door on (us)...
We're pullin' for ya man. May the force be WITH you for a change.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-1, PAC 10 Champs!
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 01:32:07 -0800 From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FW: Marillion SUCKS! Message-ID: <19970102093207015.AAA367@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
At 01:19 AM 1/2/97 -0800, you wrote: > >OUCH! >I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this list is no place >for this >(BAND NAME) SUCKS/RULES crap. > >Also, I'd bet a large number of jammers are also freaks (Marillion list) so >watch out for flaming emails. > >Trevor > > ----------
>see ya/// > >juan..... > >*someone please tell me of a good prog. group!!* > > >
sorry man, but i didnt feel good about this band, and felt i had to say it but well thats my honest opinion, maybe other people like it, but i didnt to me it sucks, and i respect everybody else's opinion... thanx and sorry
juan
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:11:53 +1000 From: nigelb@thehub.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I'm sorry Message-ID: <199701021111.VAA21565@smople.thehub.com.au>
Hi
I checked my mail this afternoon, and was rather surprised to see three jams in one day.
"Everyone's back from holidays," I thought.
If this guy didn't send this letter, would there have been three jams? I don't think so...
Let's see, late last year there were all the posts about YtseCon III, then the Fix for 96 gigs and now this guy. What's next?
And just think, not one person has even mentioned my last post (look back, you'll see it).
Ho hum...
My first Rush video arrived today! "A Show of Hands". It's brilliant! It's just a pity 'Time Stand Still' wasn't on it... hmm...
Shall now order all the others that I can find...
I bought my first ELP album the other day as well, Brain Salad Surgery, the remastered one with the cool cover and the interview. Not bad.
I bought *another* Yes album today as well, my 6th one. Big Generator. Actually not bad, I've only listened to about half of it.
I quite like *some* Yes (I love 'Drama', probably because Jon Anderson doesn't sing on it) but a lot of it doesn't do anything for me... give me time.
Ciao!
Spiff
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 07:59:35 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lemur Voice and IME Message-ID: <m0vfng7-005RbTC@iquest2.iquest.net>
Just got Lemur Voice's 'Insights'. Wow. It's a real honor to be able to hang out online with a player as accomplished as Marcel. One question though. I take it that Barend Tromp is not part of the band since he 'appears courtesy...', which would stink because he is a MONSTER. Really tight sound.
I also got IME's 'Scenery and Fish' finally. If you don't have this album, GET IT. And yes, Paul Northfield produced it, and all I've got to say is listen to this album through a good pair of headphones. If this is any indication, we're in for a real treat with the next DT outing.
Holding my breath for the next Shadow Gallery. We'll get that before the DT.
Oh, and has anyone but me noticed that the drummers in all these bands can REALLY play? It's easy to listen to Mike Portnoy and forget that there's anyone else out there, but then I put on Lemur Voice or SG (with the departed Kevin Soffera) and these boys really smoke.
Mike Patrick mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 07:51:07 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Myung's 1st Bass... Message-ID: <m0vfnf4-005RbUC@iquest2.iquest.net>
Suicide: Whatever...
Myung's first bass...He's pictured with an Ernie Ball Music Man, which has a really fat tone, and that pretty much matches what you hear on the album. Flea used to play one - maybe he still does.
Mike Patrick mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:17:59 +0200 (EET) From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Life Message-ID: <199701021417.QAA09893@id4.sci.fi>
It was depressing to see that suicide note here, never would want anyone to end up in that situation. Whenever I bump into these situations it always reminds me of all the people I've lost during my 24 years here on the planet. In these last 2 years I've lost around 6 people pretty close to me and it's always been hell. One thing I really hate about these is they're usually around 20's, just life ahead. Among these people I've lost not all have died by their own hand. Many died at accidents, which makes it even worse, they didn't want to die.
The most painfull lost for me was 4 years ago, when my friend hung himself. The day before he did it we met before the Metallica show and he was acting weird. He came to me like it would be the last time we'd see each other. Of course, he knew it was. He hugged me so hard I knew something was wrong. I wanted to talk to him more, but he was in a hurry to get in for the show. Later on I heard that he didn't get in 'cos he was so drunk. I'm sure that upset him too. So, he went home, had a fight with his girlfriend. He hadn't been doing well with her lately. The girl(I don't want to say any names) went to get something to eat outside and when she came back she found her boyfriend hanging from the ceiling. A few days later I got a call from my mom and she told me the news. I got a breakdown.I cried for hours wondering why ?? I wondered if there would've been a chance to save him. All kinds of things. He left many friends and family missing him.
What I want to say is it's always painfull to lose someone. Suicide is sh*t. Don't you ever think about doing that, you'll leave angry and very depressed ppl behind you !! There is always someone who loves you. Even if they don't show it. Even I've thought about it for hundreds of times. You know, I'm a very emotio- nal girl and every move I see someone taking I kinda analyze it often in a bad way. I see ppl hating me. I feel that I don't belong to this world. This is when I start thinking of suicidal things. But knowing myself I couldn't ever go thru that. I know I'd do harm for my family and friends. I do have them. My boyfriend and I sometimes find ourselves thinking of what we would do before committing suicide, if we ever did that. I won't say it here, it's kinda brutal. But the thing is, if you ever were to kill yourself, do something good before that. So the world becomes a better place for the ppl you leave behind. Just a thing from our thoughts. Just a thought tho, DON'T COMMIT SUICIDE !
I was very near in losing my mom about 3 years ago. She was in that depression that women get in the 40's. She took lots of pills, was wasted for about a week, almost drove us off the bridge, herself, me and my brother. She ran around the house with an axe yelling no one loves me and all kinds of scary things. We didn't know what to do. Everything you said to her she just took it the wrong way.Finally we just couldn't talk to her and her parents took her to their place. It took so much time for her to get back to normal. I remember reading her diary ten years ago where she wrote she'd like to kill herself. Then she was thinking of what would happen to us. And finally came to the conclusion it would be pointless. I was so happy for the decision of course but was so scared to find that kind of stuff from her diary.(Why did I read the diary ? I found it when lookin' for something and it didn't say anything on it and first it had some bills in it). Anyway, these are very scary things. I wouldn't want these for anyone.
Someone said that after death there isn't anything. I have several thoughts about this. One thing I believe in very much is that we reincarnate. If that's true I'd like to born again as a bird ! I'd just sh*t on those ppl who I hate... Then there's that feeling of "nothing". Which scares me, think about the fact that you were no more, you couldn't think anymore or anything else. I guess when ppl get old this is what scares them the most and it's the thing that turns them to Jesus. They believe Jesus is there to help. Then there's a thought of us going circles, doing things better than in the previous life. And always getting on a higher place in your next life. Lots of stuff. I don't believe in Jesus that much, I don't belong to the church. Sometimes I feel like I'm an atheist or something. I just feel that when we die it can't end there. It would be fun to read what you think about life. How strange it is and what are the things that bother you so many times. You can mail me privately so we don't take the space here.
DANCING TO PROGRESSIVE MUSIC..I know what you mean when saying it's prog when you can't dance to it. It's pretty much true, but I have to disagree here too. I know I just LOOVEE to dance to it ! Sure some songs are hard to dance. Space-dye vest is a great song to dance to, btw. But I don't count it into the prog I'm sure you were talking about. Those faster songs and so on. It's just a great song to dance !! And funk is also something great to dance to. Did you ever try dancing Ministry's Jerry was a racecar driver ?!! That is something fun !! You just dance the crap out of ya,haha !!
Did RipZero really mean that Type 0'Neg is a new band ?? I might've gotten you wrong, but they've been around for years. I know, 'cos I've been a fan since their first releases.
Last thing (finally!) is that I want to recommend you to check out a band called Eternity-X, if you don't know them yet.I used to write to the singer and saw how they got popular so fast. They have a cd out called Mind Games and some other tapes and if I remember right a new cd on it's way. Here's the adds: Eternity-X P.O.BOX 38 Cliffwood, NJ 07721-0038 USA And the other:http://members.aol.com/eternity85 If you have trouble with the adds,send me a note and I'll check 'em out.I can also make a trade. Japanese ppl should know them. These guys listen to some great bands, to mention two: DREAM THEATER and RUSH AIN'T IT JUST GREAT !! C-YA ! SATU
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