YTSEJAM Digest 2150
Today's Topics:
1) Re: JP Guitar Question
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
2) TSO, Where to get it - Was 'Tage
by rbeall@fdldotnet.com (grim88)
3) Poor mans Rush?!?!?!?
by Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
4) Suicidal Buttmonkeys (not implying that Mr. Stearns is a
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
5) Ignorance surrounded guacomole.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
6) Re: poll o' the year and BIG QR NEWS!
by Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
7) Re: JP Guitar Question
by Drummnstan@aol.com
8) #ytsejam
by Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
9) Suicide
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
10) Re: JP Guitar Question
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
11) New Years News (NDTC - personal)
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
12) SUPERIOR??
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
13) suicide note.
by Maraya007@aol.com
14) Weird DT dream
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
15) Re: Suicide
by Drummnstan@aol.com
16) Re: Suicide
by Drummnstan@aol.com
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2147
by "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2147
by "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
19) Re: New Years News (NDTC - personal)
by Drummnstan@aol.com
20) Re: suicide note.
by Drummnstan@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:25:52 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JP Guitar Question
Message-ID: <199701012335.QAA29169@cyberhighway.net>
> I have a question concerning the green, red, yellow, blue and black guitar
> that JP uses on the Live in Tokyo video. First some background info. A guy
> that works in a local music store (Memphis, TN) claims to own this exact
> guitar. He claims that the guitar was a prize in a magazine (Guitar Player,
> Guitar World or something) giveaway. The person that won the guitar came
> into the store and sold it to the guy for $300. He says the guitar is
> autographed by all of the members in the band. He says it is a prototype
> USA custom with no serial number.
Damn haven't posted for awhile, our damn phone lines have been down
the past week. :(
This could be true, but it's not John's own guitar. just a copy of it
like the rest of the JPM100 series. There was a contest in about
1992-3. It appeared in all the old Guitar Wold and Guitar magazines
as far as I know. Heheh. I got the picture of JP from the contest
hanging on my DT wall. :P Anyway, the winner got cool stuff. A
copy of JPs guitar for one. This was BEFORE the JPM series cames out
from Ibanez, so it's a rare find. The winner also got a free guitar
lesson from JP and I think like $500 to buy a new rig or something
like that. If the loser who won sold it for $300 I bet he's kickin
himself in the head. I bet the guitar brand new could've been sold
to the right person for near $1000 at the time. He probably turned
down the guitar lesson, too. I'll take it in his stead if the offer
still stands though. :)
Anyway, it could be true. :)
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 19:40:29 -0600
From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (grim88)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TSO, Where to get it - Was 'Tage
Message-ID: <199701020140.TAA05710@fdl.fdldotnet.com>
>a month ago, and that is also an AWSOME album. Where did you get TSO? I
Best Buy. They have tons of copies. 12.99 each..kinda expensive, but its the
only place I could find it.
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:26:55 -0600
From: Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Poor mans Rush?!?!?!?
Message-ID: <32CB00CF.1235@mail.stlnet.com>
OOhh God is that so much BS . Dream Theater sounds vey little like rush
, true they are both progressive but very different styles of prog. .
People need to be a little more opened minded when they say crap like
that . Dream Theater is one of the most original bands out there . I
really think people i need to be a little more open minded and stop
cutting down everybody .
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:39:24 -0800
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Suicidal Buttmonkeys (not implying that Mr. Stearns is a
Message-ID: <199701020039.QAA05483@m5.sprynet.com>
Hiya.
First of all, I seemed to have not gotten the jam with Mr. Stearns'
post in it...so I don't have anything to say about that, but there wuz this:
>Dude, I hope you read this. I don't know if you are joking or not, but
>if you are not, FUCKING RECONSIDER MAN! Killing yourself is a coward's
>way out, everybody still has a chance to turn their life around no
>matter how screwed up it may be at the moment.
Do no talk about that which you know nothing. Have you ever died? Didn't
think so. Maybe, for some people, life would be worse than death. And, no
living person can say for sure that death is bad. Maybe dying is the
greatest pleasure anybody could ever feel. Maybe everybody goes to heaven.
Maybe, and unfortunately, most likely, there's just NOTHING, in which case,
you wouldn't know anything, feel anything, be nothing...you would not have
awareness (which I'll talk about in a few minutes). SO, maybe it would, in
fact, be BETTER than death. Maybe we ARE dead, and this is heaven, and we
just don't know it. Or, maybe it's hell. Of course, there's always my theory
of existence. You're all figments of my imagination. I thought this all up.
That theory explains everything that's ever been UNexplained.....I'm too
damned lazy to think up reasons for them.
Back to Awareness. Think about this...how did your mind (not soul)
get paired with your body? How did you become you? Are all your experiences
from the time you were born what molded your mind (mind dictates body, i
think) into what it is today? Or was it preset when it was put into your
body? But, WAS it put into your body? Or was it always meant for your body?
That, in my mind, is the ultimate question, which can't really be answered
until death....finding the answer to that question would be the only reason
I'd ever commit suicide...which I don't think I'd do (for a looooong while
anyways) because there's a whole lot of stuff, being 15, that I haven't done
yet, that I'd like to do.
Whoa.
Sorry fer the rambling, but that was fun. :)
Ben Laussade
***********WANTED**********
15 year old mute, Asian bass prodigy!
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:57:30 -0800
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ignorance surrounded guacomole.
Message-ID: <199701020057.QAA07672@m5.sprynet.com>
>i find this relevant because i'd go so far as to say that, imo, anyone that
>attempts or seriously considers killing themselves is mentally ill.
How about just curious?
Ben Laussade
***********WANTED**********
15 year old mute, Asian bass prodigy!
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 17:35:32 -0500
From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: poll o' the year and BIG QR NEWS!
Message-ID: <199701020133.RAA10622@kim.teleport.com>
I saw dat poll i voted in:
>Rush 9 34 113
>Steve Vai 7 23 82
>Lemur Voice 3 18 60
>Various - Working Man Tribute 4 19 53
>Tool 3 16 51
>Eric Johnson 2 13 45
>Metallica 1 13 41
>Yes 3 10 34
Hehehe, cool. of the top 8 cd's, I own one!
Wait, is that cool? shit.
********************
Big Queensryche News
********************
New cd is going to be released on March 1st and it is entitled "Hear in the
Now Frontier". I found this out in #queensryche - apparently it came out in
the fanclub. No word on song titles or what the songs are like - just the
title. Oh well, cool.
michelob
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:57:38 -0500
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: JP Guitar Question
Message-ID: <970101205738_237947159@emout16.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/1/97 11:40:52 PM, you wrote:
<<hanging on my DT wall. :P Anyway,>>
hey someone else with a DT wall, fu@#in cool
laterz,
stan
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 20:27:35 -0600
From: Aaron Happe <jared@stlnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: #ytsejam
Message-ID: <32CB1D17.25A1@mail.stlnet.com>
um the jam is FUCKED lately , i think everybody should go to rocknet
till skadz gets this lag shit fixed
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:45:43 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Suicide
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970101184541.0067c168@cats.ucsc.edu>
All of you are being just wonderful and nice, I'm sure, but that wasn't a
real suicide note. Anyone who has lived through friends committing suicide
should know that. This guy may need help, he mentioned medication, and
I'll assume that it was true, he may be ill, but he's not suicidal. That
was a ploy for attention, like a child throwing a tantrum. For the
kind-hearted Christian souls out there, here's a metaphor: him trying to
convince us he's suicidal is the absolute equivalent of a child trying to
convince you that the devil himself appeared to this child and forced him
to steal cookies from the jar. Yeah, he's in trouble, but he's taking it
to extremes in order to get your attention.
If this guy was really suicidal, he would not have send out a letter
spamming the jam and who knows what else and then WAITED before doing
something. He was found and helped. If he were suicidal, when the police
arrived he would already be dead. Also, I know nothing about the
interactions of various drugs, but it looks like his ingredient list might
be fatal, but certainly not quickly, so even if he did imbibe his own
recipe, there's plenty of time for people to find him, which is what he
wants. He was testing all of us to see if anyone "cared" enough to try to
"save" him. Bottom line. Go ahead, call me callous and attack me like you
did to another Jammer brave enough to speak the truth, but that's precisely
what it is: the truth.
Here's a story about what suicide really is:
Suicide is going to work one morning and finding that your best friend
hasn't shown up yet. You remember the night before that he called the girl
he was in love with and found out that she was engaged to someone else (it
was a long-distance thing to begin with) You figure he is just sleeping in
to work it off, and since he has a flexible schedule, you don't think much
of it, even though it is payday. You make excuses that he wasn't feeling
well and go on with your day, even though, in the back of your mind, you
suspect.
Suicide is your friend never showing up to work, and you go home at the end
of the day (you two are housemates as well) and find that he isn't home.
You find pictures of friends torn up in the trash can, along with a book of
love poetry. You remember being the last one to speak to him the night
before, saying "I'm next door. If you need to talk, at any time, just wake
me up."
Suicide is getting a call from a stranger, saying that she found his
flannel overshirt on the middle of the Golden Gate Bridge with his ID in
the pocket. You retrieve the shirt, and it also has a picture of the girl
whom he loved in the same pocket.
Suicide is calling his parents, his friends, and finally the police to file
a missing person's report. No one has seen or heard from him that day.
Suicide is finally getting a call from his parents saying that the police
found his body.
----As I said before, this guy was my closest friend, and in fact the first person in my life who I ever really looked up to, and I've got a right to be pissed off when some idiot, no matter how serious his problems may be, plays with the idea of suicide as an attention ploy.
If you aren't convinced, there are plenty of other stories I could tell. I've dealt with several suicides and many close calls, and a lot of fakers who are playing for attention.
__ /\ __ +-------------------------------------+ __\/__\/__ | ~Chris |-+ \_||_/ | For a boring homepage, web to: | | /__||__\ | http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ | | // \ | \\ +-------------------------------------+ | \| +-------------------------------------+
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 20:15:10 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JP Guitar Question Message-ID: <199701020325.UAA02722@cyberhighway.net>
> In a message dated 1/1/97 11:40:52 PM, you wrote: > > <<hanging on my DT wall. :P Anyway,>> > > hey someone else with a DT wall, fu@#in cool
Hell, if they made DT wallpaper I'd be the first in line. :)
Unfortunately, it's not much of a wall. I've only got like 1 band photo, a couple of Metal Edge cutouts, my John. P. poster from guitar magazine, and a cardboard ytse-symbol cutout. (a t-shirt stencil). Anyway, the rest of the stuff on the wall is Queensryche stuff from their Promised Land tour and stuff. Funny how they already have pictures from the tour in these tour books only a month after the tour starts. I wonder how they do that so fast. :)
Anyway, TTYL. KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) ibanez@cyberhighway.net "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:07:12 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Years News (NDTC - personal) Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970102040712.0068dedc@ici.net>
I'd just like to let everyone know that I am now officially a dad!
Cassidy Lynne Sullivan made her debut at 5:29pm on 1/1/97. Quite the New Year's present, let me tell you. Mother and daughter are both doing fine, but dad's still a little frazzled. :)
I'd like to extend special kudos to all the people who have offered me advice and encouragement on IRC over the past few months. Thanks guys, now does anyone have any baby CARE tips? :)
A happy 1997 to all jammers, I insist. :)
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 22:05:53 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SUPERIOR?? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970101220236.1479A-100000@rossby>
Happy New Year everyone!
I need to know some info about superior and where I can order a CD by them. I have been hearing too many good remarks about them, and am now willing to spend $25 for their CD (w/ the help of X-mas $$).
Any suggestions?
Thanks and peace, Jon
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:24:14 -0500 From: Maraya007@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: suicide note. Message-ID: <970101232413_944038845@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Okay. I will recant what I said about the question of failure as a human being. That part was uncalled for and I will apologize for that.
I will, however, stand by my feelings. I have taken the arguments with dissenters to email, so I won't address their remarks here directly, but I will say a few more things.
Basically, death is not the answer. It just ain't. I don't care *how* fucked up you are -- killing yourself won't solve anything. You'll be dead and the pain will be gone -- but death isn't much fun, unless your goal in life is to be worm food. Death is NEVER the final solution, unless you're absolutely terminally ill and will be at death's door in a short period of time anyway. It solves none of your problems and it just hurts everyone around you.
If you're mentally ill, there are steps you can take to prevent ever getting to a suicidal stage. Doctors. Pills. They'll help. Find *someone* who will listen to your problems, even if you have to pay them -- talking helps more than you can imagine. Don't pay any attention to the media, which glorifies suicide by putting someone like Kurt Cobain on a pedestal. (where are eMpTyV's anti-suicide programs to go with their anti-drug and safe sex programs?)
Yes, it was a very harsh way in which I presented my views. But let me remind you that I said I am sympathetic to the *situations* which *produce* suicidal feelings, including mental illness of any sort; it's those who actually go through with it for whom I am not sympathetic. It is NOT the answer, regardless of what you're going through. If you're suicidal, GET HELP. (and that doesn't include posting a suicide note to the YtseJam...)
Death is a permanent solution to temporary problems. It ain't worth it.
Jaime the Dragon
"All of us get lost in the darkness..." - Rush
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 21:38:55 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Weird DT dream Message-ID: <199701020448.VAA15130@cyberhighway.net>
OK, folks, I had a wierd dream last night, help me out here...
I was playing this gig at what seemed like my local highschool. It was just me, solo, on this rickety old hunk of crap piano. I was intending to play some songs I have composed myself for an audience that seemed to stretch as far as I could see. Anyway, even though the piano looked like a termite farm, I was quite confident that I would play everything perfectly. As I sat down at this piece of shit and everyone was expecting to hear a marvelous work of art, I began to play.
About 2 measures into the first song a very dark (evil and ghostly, mind you) feeling settled over the stage. I began to play horribly. It was so bad that I want to run of the stage but I couldn't. The odd thing was, as I looked into the audience, everyone seemed terribly enthralled by the dischord, almost zombified. I played every song I'd meant to play this way, hoping I could rid myself of this occursed feeling but to no avail. Finally, for some reason, I began to play Wait For Sleep. It came out beutifully. The strangely enthralled look left the audience and they appeared dazed at first, then they started swaying with this song. I was playing so well, I went on to play Learning to Live instrumentally on the piano. (which was wierd. I never have heard it this way, but the solo piano version in the dream was incredible). After I'd started playing WFS, the dark feeling left and I felt I was one with the music. After I was done, I talked with someone in the audience. They said that WFS was one of the most beautiful songs they had heard, but the stuff prior to that was crap. About then I woke up.
This has been troubling me all day. I've been trying to decipher it, but can't figure it out. Usually dreams mean nothing to me, but this one feels important. Especially being as it's like a new years dream. I dunno. If anyone else here thinks they can decipher a meaning out of this, please let me know. And I don't want any of this Carl Jung stuff. This has nothing to do with feelings of sexual insecurity. :P
Anyway, sorry for wasting bandwidth, this has been bugging me.
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) ibanez@cyberhighway.net "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:51:38 -0500 From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Suicide Message-ID: <970101235136_1122817138@emout19.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/2/97 2:50:25 AM, you wrote:
<<Here's a story about what suicide really is:
Suicide is going to work one morning and finding that your best friend hasn't shown up yet. You remember the night before that he called the girl he was in love with and found out that she was engaged to someone else (it was a long-distance thing to begin with) You figure he is just sleeping in to work it off, and since he has a flexible schedule, you don't think much of it, even though it is payday. You make excuses that he wasn't feeling well and go on with your day, even though, in the back of your mind, you suspect. >>
this is not an attack on you but suicide can be all the things youve said and other stuff too, the point is that mr starks is and was suicidal, so was I, theres no one way to kill yourself, everyone is different, the things youve said are true but thats not the only way suicide is pulled off. again this is not a flame or attack to you its just that you have to take into account that everyone is different, my friend was different, he told his parents if they wanted to save him they could stop him by hiding his car keys, they didnt, and shit do I miss him.
laterz, stan
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:52:27 -0500 From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Suicide Message-ID: <970101235225_843377653@emout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/2/97 2:50:25 AM, you wrote:
<<As I said before, this guy was my closest friend, and in fact the first person in my life who I ever really looked up to, and I've got a right to be pissed off when some idiot, no matter how serious his problems may be, plays with the idea of suicide as an attention ploy. >>
again not a flame but i highly doubt this was for attention
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:49:05 -0800 From: "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2147 Message-ID: <32CB6871.42BD@concentric.net>
> Andrew > > By the way, who is that fella that torures the hell out of The Analog Kid > vocals on the tribute? I want to steer clear of any album he sings on...
OH NO!!!! I thought Jack did a GREAT job myself. That was Jack Russell from Great White. I loved his work on it personally, but then...I've always been a Great White fan too.
Take Care,
Rick Bond
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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 23:52:04 -0800 From: "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2147 Message-ID: <32CB6924.3528@concentric.net>
Somebody asked about the new Queensryche...I was on the Queensryche irc channel one night on Undernet, and heard that the new album is titled "Hear in the new frontier", and don't quote me on this, but I could've sworn I heard someone mention a March release maybe. Again, don't quote me on the date.
Take Care,
Rick Bond
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:56:31 -0500 From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New Years News (NDTC - personal) Message-ID: <970101235630_1122821762@emout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/2/97 4:13:56 AM, you wrote:
<<I'd just like to let everyone know that I am now officially a dad!
Cassidy Lynne Sullivan made her debut at 5:29pm on 1/1/97. Quite the New Year's present, let me tell you. Mother and daughter are both doing fine, but dad's still a little frazzled. :)>>
congrats man, what a day to have such a thing in your life happen, cograts
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:58:20 -0500 From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: suicide note. Message-ID: <970101235820_1257043975@emout19.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/2/97 4:36:34 AM, you wrote:
<< I will, however, stand by my feelings. I have taken the arguments with dissenters to email, so I won't address their remarks here directly, but I will say a few more things. >>
very considerate since i am one of them with dissenting opinions
stan
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