YTSEJAM Digest 2164
Today's Topics:
1) Foreign DT lyrics??
by Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
2) [Fwd: DLR joke....]
by Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
3) Fire Garden
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2162
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) FAQ update
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
6) Inferno.
by "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
7) Re: 'Tage = Death Metal ?!?!?!?
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
8) James with Coney Hatch, Rick Wright's newest solo release
by rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
9) Second acoustic on TSM
by Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
10) tage vox :)
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
11) Nevermore (No raven content ;) )
by rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
12) Re: Badlands...
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
13) Back to Savatage (NDTC)
by Wayne and/or Carole Chesser <AChesser@concentric.net>
14) Re: Foreign DT lyrics??
by Vincent LuPone <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
15) Tony MacAlpine in PHX (NDTC)
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
16) Rush Videos
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
17) The final word on Garage Days (NDTC)
by thekid <thekid@txdirect.net>
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:30:51 -0400
From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Foreign DT lyrics??
Message-ID: <85256417.007A2ED3.00@smtp1.discovery.com>
Cliff Totten
01/06/97 05:30 PM
Mystery lyrics.........?
1.) The very end of "Pull me under". ( just before the tape "supposedly"
stopped. )
2.) The words said (by someone) just before they take off into the
instrumental part of "Take the time" ( you know, Ba Da Da Da Da
Dum ......ah,.....You get the Idea.)
Are those words French?
Woo- Hoo !......I achieved 100% DT content !!!!
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:32:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: [Fwd: DLR joke....]
Message-ID: <199701062232.OAA11275@greece.it.earthlink.net>
Over the holidays, a friend told me a DLR joke.....
>> What happens when David Lee Roth comes to your door?
>> Take the pizza and tell him to keep the change.
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"We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!"
from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights"
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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:48:01 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Fire Garden
Message-ID: <32D18121.D32@enter.net>
Holy hell....I finally picked up Vai's Fire Garden and man does it rock!
Baghdad and Fire Suite are awesome: rockn' Arabian music!
should be a great year for music:
New DT
New Queensryche
New Fates Warning
New Yes
NEW NEW NEW. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Bruce D.
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:08:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2162
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970106163723.2266A-100000@enteract.com>
> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
> To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: I'm back!
Welcome back, you freaknub!
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> Taco Belhai said about my favourite Marillion-basher :
>
> > This guy had every right to say that something (in this case
> > Marillion) sucked.
>
> But what's the point ? He had *no* opinion, eventhough he *thought* he
> did. An opinion is based on knowledge, and he didn't have that, where
> Marillion was concerned. You can't listen to a *few* songs *once*, and
> decide that they "suck". Let me know if I'm wrong, 'cause in that case
> I'm on the wrong list. I still thought you had to give music a chance
> before you call it crap. *I* sure wasn't an instant Marillion-fan.
Mark, as much as you want it to be that way, that's not how everyone
works. Some people need a band to catch them right away, or they never
give them another chance. Whether that's wrong or right is immaterial...
it's each person's own decision.
> > He wasn't trying to offend anybody.
>
> He didn't even have to *try*. When you say a band "sucks", *knowing*
> they've got a lot of fans on the list, you *are* trying to offend
> people. He phuqing offended *me*, and I'm sure I'm not the *only* one.
No, that's stupid. If I say that I think "The Gathering" and "Amorphis"
suck (which I do) I am simply expressing my opinion. The goal is not to
offend all of their fans, but rather to express my opinion and warn
people that they may want to give the band a listen before buying an
album. You need to be less sensitive. You can't go getting offended
by everyone that doesn't agree with your tastes. The world will not work
towards your standards.
> I did... publically. When someone bashes my favourite band for no good
> reason, I'm there to stick up for them. I'd do that for *Dream Theater*
> on the Marillion list too, but I don't have to... They're not shallow
> enough to make "this sucks" or "this rules" comments (no offense).
You've made such posts yourself. Find a valid reason to go off on someone
if you're mad. Saying something sucks or rules is just a contemporary way
of expressing your likes and dislikes. I'll be damned if I'm going to let
anyone tell me what i have to like and dislike, and I'll be damned if I'm
gonna sit back and listen to someone tell someone else what to like and
not like. The Ytsejam is a relatively free speech type of establishment.
> Then along comes this idiot that simply says "they suck", and shit like
> that. Because of one stupid post like that, people could decide *not*
> to check out Marillion. And that would *truly* "suck".
Get a grip. We're not a bunch of mindless guppies. One person making one
negative comment about a band is not going to cause any rational person to
abandon any attempts to check out a band. The problem is, many of the
readers of this list are looking for DT style bands.... Marillion is
NOTHING like DT. In fact, they're not even what many people would
consider prog. They're not metal. Some people make them out to be the
next DT... they're a totally different sound.
Maybe you could find a less offensive way to express your dislike of the
reviewer's posting style, but calling him an idiot is uncalled for. I
think it's pretty shallow for someone to call another person an idiot
because he or she doesn't like your favorite band.
> Pay attention, will you ? The point that I wanted to get across was,
> that if *his* Marillion-bashing post was "an honest opinion" then my
> flame was one too. If I confused anyone... my post *was* a flame !
I'd say that a flame is a post that specifically goes out of the way
to insult someone (I.E. Calling someone an idiot, as you did in your post)
openly (that doesn't include hypersensitive people, who don't deal well
with people disagreeing with them) with the intent at getting some sort
of revenge for something the recipient of the flame said.
> > Would you have flamed this guy if he had said "IMO, Marillion SUCKS?"
> > Hmmm...
>
> IMO, I would have.
Then i hate to say it, but IMO, you're being a dick.
- Chris Ptacek
Madsman - someone@prognosis.com - not particularly impressed by Marillion
- particularly opinionated - honest and fair - kiss my ass - Love you too!
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:09:36 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FAQ update
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9701061840.A27225-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Heya gang. I just got off the phone with our favorite drummer, and he
gave me a whole bunch of info for the new FAQ update. Lots of news about
samples, who wrote what, and other things, including the EXACT times that
the various parts of ACoS start. This will all be in the FAQ soon, but I
know you all want the ACoS times, so here they are, straight from Mike:
I: 0:00
II: 3:50
III: 6:54
IV: 10:08
V: 13:01
VI: 16:59
VII: 20:12
Lots of other stuff to come soon, so be patient! Mike wishes everyone a
happy new year, and said that they hope to have the new album out by
summertime. Later!
Still not caught up on back jams,
-d
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:12:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "Greg R. Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Inferno.
Message-ID: <199701062312.SAA33982@slash.toraix.can.ibm.com>
I found the Inferno CD, Psychic Distance, in HMV in Toronto...sorry Toronto
'Jammers...last and only copy!
I have to say I really like the music...kind of a Maiden / Fates Warning
thing going more that DT influence...
However -- the vocals just bloody suck! I mean -- there is one thing holding
the success of this band up -- get a guy that can sing!!! This dude has about
a one octave range (if that) and my wife and I pissed ourselves laughing
whenever he screams.
Jay Peele used to hang here on the 'Jam...what is up with Inferno these
days...I remember they were looking for a drummer...I hope a new vocalist
was in the plans too!
Greg,
Toronto.
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:29:26 -0500
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: " - (052)AChesser(a)concentric.net" <AChesser@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 'Tage = Death Metal ?!?!?!?
Message-ID: <0010200004128602000002*@MHS>
> From: Wayne and/or Carole Chesser <AChesser@concentric.net>
> Subject: Savatage - minimal DT content
> Hi all, requesting your responses (you can keep whatever flames you may be
> inclined to send).
> I have been reading a lot recommendations from various people on the list
> for Savatage (hence the header) and did some looking on the web. They are
> listed under Death Metal at Yahoo. Is this right? I try not to pigeonhole
I would not even consider them close to being death metal. Heavy? Yes.
Death? Not even a little bit.
> and none of them seemed particularly...I don't want to say Satanic, because
> I know that that is not necessarily what Death Metal is about; they didn't
> seem to me to be anything that I might not hear on a Queensryche or DT or FW
> album. One other thing; what about the vocals? I hate it when the singer
> just growls the whole time; can they really sing? Thanks to all.
I'm no expert on 'tage, but on the stuff i've heard, I didn't notice any
growling. They do get a bit gruff at times, but only when it really fits the
song. The one vocal effect that really makes them stand out, IMO, is singing
in rounds. They just start piling verses on top of each other. On DWD they go
three or four levels deep a few times. It sounds *really* cool.
I would recommend going to a local store that has listening stations, picking
up _Dead Winter Dead_, and listening to the last three tracks. If you can't
stand 'em, 'tage isn't your cup of tea. If you can't stop listening, you're
going to like a lot of what they've written.
"Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!"
- Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
bkirk@blkbox.com
Write me. If you dare!
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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:51:55 GMT
From: rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James with Coney Hatch, Rick Wright's newest solo release
Message-ID: <32d181a9.22336679@mail.idirect.com>
Hiya Kids!
>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:04:21 -0400
>From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
>For some reason, ( all of a sudden ) I just remembered that James sang =
for
>CONEY HATCH back in the early 80's. This generates a couple of =
questions:
I don't have any of this personally, but given James wondrous
emissions, I'm certain that he did terrific justice to Coney's music
after Carl Dixon left.
I'll see what I can find locally around Toronto and get back
to you.
>Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:30:51 -0500
>From: WildKoba@aol.com
>question: i saw this in "keyboard" magazine the other day. does anyone =
have
>rick wright's (pink floyd keys) new solo album? i understand it's
>progressive, and it's got some hot musicians on it. any info would be
>appreciated.
I saw this used recently for $8. Curious, I listened to it.=20
The disc has wonderful keyboard textures. I was immediately reminded
of AMLOR and Division Bell. The music has a darkness about it, a
foreboding quality. If you like the song he does the vocals for on
Division Bell, you'll probably like this.
Personally, I don't like his voice, but that's just me. Sinaed
O'Connor guests for vocal leads on two tracks and she didn't even
annoy me!
Listen to this first if possible, but if you like Floyd's
moodier stuff, you'll probably enjoy it.
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:55:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott X <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Second acoustic on TSM
Message-ID: <199701062355.PAA12267@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
>The last weekend was very cool, Oh yes the Dallas Cowboys were kicked out,
>but this is not the point. The last Saturday i bought the "wake up" boot, it
>is awsome specially "A mind beside itself". I have a question, Who plays the
>second acoustic guitar in the Silent Man?
It was very cool to see the Cowboys get their ass kicked! If anyone needed a
little humility (and a good attorney) it is them. How about that pussy Deion
Sanders? The guy gets tackled like any other person would be and he turns
into a wet noodle. If it were me I'd probably be on life support, but this
guy's supposed to be a professional football player. I'm just a no muscle
wimp, but if I were a NFL player I'd like to think I'd be able to handle
getting tackled without having to go into the Hospital overnight. What a
Mama's boy!
Now, to answer your question, John Myung plays the Acoustic on TSM.
Scott
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"We didn't land on Sherwood Forest; Sherwood Forest landed on us!"
from the movie "Robin Hood: Men in Tights"
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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:55:21 -0600
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: tage vox :)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970106235521.006a2eac@mail.inlink.com>
>
>I'm no expert on 'tage, but on the stuff i've heard, I didn't notice any
>growling. They do get a bit gruff at times, but only when it really fits the
>song. The one vocal effect that really makes them stand out, IMO, is singing
>in rounds. They just start piling verses on top of each other. On DWD
they >go three or four levels deep a few times. It sounds *really* cool.
hehe, check out Chance on Handful of Rain.. vocal lapping is Zak's
specialty, he does 7 or 8 vocal tracks at one time on that one.. and is it
any wonder the song he co produced on TSO is the one with the multi vocal
tracks? hmmmmmmmmmmm. hehe. the man has an amazing voice.
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 00:02:23 GMT
From: rsterry@idirect.com (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nevermore (No raven content ;) )
Message-ID: <32d490ff.26262004@mail.idirect.com>
Hiya Pineapples!
>Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:28:01 -0500
>From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
>I am just sitting here listening to the new Nevermore again. Whew.
How does it compare to the self-titled? I really like that
record. You are quite correct about the crushing. :)
It reminds me of AIC, Pantera and Savatage all fused together.
Very aggressive but fun!
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:17:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Badlands...
Message-ID: <199701070017.SAA25373@parka.winternet.com>
>
> I believe Ray died of stomach cancer. There were the obligatory
> rumors of AIDS. Further, there is one song on Greg Chaisson's (bass
> player for Badlands) solo album that is sung by Ray. The rest of the
> album is terrible (too Christian for my tastes) so don't get your
> hopes up too much. And Jake has released a solo album that's
> apparently available only in Japan but can be ordered through cdnow
> for $45 (!).
>
Ray and a number of others played on a release called "Sun Red Sun". Chris
Caffery does guitars on one track, Mike Starr (former Alice in Chains
bassist) also plays on it. I have not heard anything from this release
yet. Has anyone heard it, and what is thier opinion of it?
Thanks,
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savaweb@winternet.com
Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages
www.winternet.com/~savaweb www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso
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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 18:45:28 -0600
From: Wayne and/or Carole Chesser <AChesser@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Back to Savatage (NDTC)
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970107004528.00b75360@pop3.concentric.net>
Thanks to all for the Savatage recommendations, especially John McCabe and
Brian Kirk. I am big on concept albums (my favorites being, in no
particular order, The Wall, Operation: Mindcrime, Days Of Future Passed,
Dark Side Of The Moon and 2112 and yes I know that is only half an album),
so I will probably end up getting DWD first and work my way back. I did
find some song samples on SavaWeb's page and liked what I heard. Now I have
to figure out Angra.
-- Wayne"A different opinion is just another point of view" - Fates Warning
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:48:43 -0700 From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Foreign DT lyrics?? Message-ID: <199701070048.RAA41624@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
At 02:44 PM 1/6/97 -0800, so let it be written: >Mystery lyrics.........? >1.) The very end of "Pull me under". ( just before the tape "supposedly" >stopped. )
It's a direct quote from Hamlet. I can't quite remember, but I think it's "Oh that this too, too solid flesh would melt" or something similar to that.
>2.) The words said (by someone) just before they take off into the >instrumental part of "Take the time" ( you know, Ba Da Da Da Da >Dum ......ah,.....You get the Idea.) > >Are those words French?
Nope. Italian.
Later,
Peace be with you and God bless,
~Vince
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:55:36 -0600 (CST) From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytse Jam) Subject: Tony MacAlpine in PHX (NDTC) Message-ID: <199701070055.SAA25851@parka.winternet.com>
For all you Phoenix, AZ and nearby jammers.
Tony MacAlpine will be playing at the Mason Jar on Saturday 1/11/97. Tickets are $5.
This is the third time in 4 months that he is playing here, unfortunately the turn out for his last two shows have been less than desirable. But the owner and manager of the club really like him and like promoting his music, which is good since I am trying to find other local prog bands to get booked there.
Tony is definately worth seeing at least once in your life time, but I will see him every chance I get!!! He is an amazing guitarist and keyboardist. He also chooses the musicians that play with him very closely. Currently Mike Terrana is playing drums, he is a phenomenal drummer. Seeing his drum solo is worth the $5 alone.
Previously he had Kevin Chown playing bass, but I believe Kevin has headed back to the east coast to play another gig. I will be interesting to see who is his new bassist.
Anyone who is interested in a pre-show meeting drop me a line. Otherwise I will be wearing a DT or Savatage related Shirt.
Nathan Bradley -------------------------------------------------------------------------- savaweb@winternet.com Savatage Fan Web Pages Trans-Siberian Orchestra Web Pages www.winternet.com/~savaweb www.winternet.com/~savaweb/tso --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:29:06 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Videos Message-ID: <199701070129.SAA23585@goodguy.goodnet.com>
Here's what you'll want to know about picking up Rush vids...
RUSH: Exit Stage Left VHS and LD: Out of print. Japanese LD: Currently available through SOME mailorder places. Your best option. I got lucky and got mine at a used CD shop for $30!!! So looking around DOES pay off. Don't give up. And it was the English one!!
RUSH: Grace Under Pressure VHS and LD: Out of Print. European (UK/Germany) and Japanese LD: In print and currently available at most Tower Records, Incredible Universe, and Camelot shops.
RUSH: Through the Camera Eye VHS and LD: Out of Print. No other editions are currently known to be available. This one is actually still pretty common on Used racks at used record, CD, and video shops. You'll get it cheaply with little effort. The LD is obscenely rare, but CAN be found! I found my TTCE LD for $14.99 at Rockaway Records in Mesa, AZ. It CAN be done!!!
RUSH: A Show of Hands VHS: In print LD Original version with Lock And Key: Out of print. LD Current version without LAK: In print. This is easy to find, but you'll have a hell of a time locating an LD copy that still has LAK on it. It's unknown why they changed it. The ones available at Ken Crane's Laserdisc mail-order still had LAK at last check, as I ordered one last year. I was on a waiting list for 4 months before I finally managed to get it shipped to me.
RUSH: Chronicles All versions: In print If you can't find this, your local stores REALLY suck. :) The LD version is abundant at Tower Records and similar stores.
Good luck in your search, everyone!! - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-1, PAC 10 Champs!
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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 19:36:42 -0600 From: thekid <thekid@txdirect.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The final word on Garage Days (NDTC) Message-ID: <32D1A8AA.1C6@txdirect.net>
The original Kill'Em All in '83 DID NOT have 'Blitz' or 'Evil' on it. Nor did it come out in CD form. They were on Megaforce Records and original issues from 'Force back then were vinyl or cassette. On this one point I may be wrong. If you do have a CD that does NOT have these two songs, it's an original Megaforce release, very rare. If you have an ORIGINAL Kill 'Em All cassette, the fold-out J-Card will have band member photos in shapes of crosses. "Creeping Death" was on the Ride The Lightning album and the single with 'Blitz' and 'Evil' was an import from Denmark or Germany. I had this or have this as it seems to suddenly reappear in the oddest places (trunk, closet) every couple of years. As for the version of Kill 'Em All that does have these two songs, that is a re-issue from Elektra after they signed with them. It's interesting to have seen them in 8000sq ft clubs 13 years ago when they would have committed suicide rather than have a drum solo, to the current "Broadway" image currently touring the country. How the times have changed.
THE KID
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