YTSEJAM Digest 2169
Today's Topics:
1) Ray Gillan
by "Graham Boyle" <progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au>
2) Hmm...Metallica show
by "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
3) Re: MacAlpine (NDTC)
by Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
4) DT MOUSE PADS SOON.....
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
5) Christmas CD numbers
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
6) X!
by "woot" <sir@micron.net>
7) Tap
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
8) Snare Drum Tuning
by "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
9) Re: Femaile bands.
by Drummnstan@aol.com
10) Re: Ytsemusic, LIT
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Take the Time and New signature.
by Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
12) Xmas CD #, Euro-singles
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
13) Duke Fame
by sykes@inwave.com
14) Christmas CDs
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
15) Fact or fiction?!
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
16) Re: vocalists
by Drummnstan@aol.com
17) Re: Snare Drum Tuning
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
18) Re: Snare Drum Tuning
by Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se>
19) Re: Marillion RULEZ!
by metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime)
20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2166
by nigelb@powerup.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman)
21) Work with me here...
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:04:14 +0000
From: "Graham Boyle" <progmetalgjb@s054.aone.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ray Gillan
Message-ID: <199701080104.MAA11452@mail.mel.aone.net.au>
Ray Gillian most definately is singing on George Lynch's 'Sacred
Groove'. He only sings on the one song 'Flesh and Blood', I am
listening to the CD right now, it also features the mega voice of
Glenn Hughes on two songs and the Nelson brother's on one. The album
is not the best though, George has done much better stuff IMO.
Ray was origonally going to be the vocalist for Black Sabbath on the
'Eternal Idol 'album, he recorded his vocals, then he was replaced by
Tony Martin, who re-recorded his voice over Ray's tracks. The version
with Ray's vox on it was never 'officially' released, but I beleive
it is available on a bootleg somewhere, although I have never
seen/heard it.
Cheers
Graham
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:04:44 PST
From: "Glenn Pillsbury" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hmm...Metallica show
Message-ID: <E6D2396CBC@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
In contrast to the comments about the Metallica show in San Jose, the
one I saw in L.A. was fascinating. Sure, the music was all well and
good, but the whole stunt thing was very interesting. Aside from
starting the show with the house lights on, the very conscious act of
recreating the "authentic" garage days atmosphere was revealing.
For all their claims at artistic-fuck-you-all-independance in the
face of "No New Shit" banners (true!), they still had to grasp for
credibility. Also, when James says "we're playing this for us," he
still shys away from playing "Mama Said." Maybe someone else got
this song at another show, but his bravado sure fell a little short
in L.A. ANyway, it may be Metallica on Broadway, but it's still
interesting culturally.
Glenn
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:04:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Sava Web <savaweb@winternet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MacAlpine (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199701080104.TAA15780@parka.winternet.com>
>
> Hey all, I'm back. Macalpine? On tour? Again? Yes!!!!!!!!!
> Please someone tell me about this. He's one of my absolute favorite
> guitarists.
>
I don't think that he is actively tour the country. Fortunately PHX, AZ is
close enough to his home turf (LA/San Deigo) that he once in a while drops
into Phoenix for a gig.
I will find out what other tour dates are comming. Also if any one has
any questions for me to ask him just send them my way.
I will be asking him why hasn't Shrapnel picked up his latest release
"Violent Machine" yet.
later,
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:52:48 -0500
From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT MOUSE PADS SOON.....
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.1.7.-13.52.48.7687.4473@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all you Ytsejamers!
Keep your eyes open in the next few weeks, I should have
the information on the YTSEJAM mousepads.
see ya
todd s
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:24:11 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Christmas CD numbers
Message-ID: <199701080228.UAA03623@Walden.MO.NET>
>Who has the lowest numbered Christmas CD?
Mine's 125. How many were put out (huh huh)?
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:30:12 -0700
From: "woot" <sir@micron.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: X!
Message-ID: <199701080230.TAA05729@snowden.micron.net>
King's X
Symphony X
Eternity X
and of course my personal favorite:
Beefquad-X
Does anyone else see a trend forming?
I sure wish ppl would exercise their right to unsubscribe. It gets real
old seeing ppl saying that they thought they subbed to the DT list. If you
don't like it, leave. Preferably without saying anything. I agree that a
few discussions on here get a little out of hand, but even the rehashed
suicide thing is not nearly as annoying as ppl saying stuff like "I'm sick
of this list cause it sucks."
Sorry about that. Is somebody still working on the DT keychain thing?
I recently purchased ACoS on CD. It took me a while but I finally did it.
My tape was getting pretty worn out anyway. The actual CD looks almost as
cool as DWD.
So is GC's self titled a good representation of what I should base opinion
on band from?
Craig Wuthrich
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:46:33 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tap
Message-ID: <199701080252.UAA08310@Walden.MO.NET>
>Oh yeah Shortino was also in Spinal Tap. I can't remember his name
>in the movie but he was the singer that Howard Hessman managed.
"What a wanker." :)
Dale R. Newberry
"There's a fine line between stupid and clever."
-David St. Hubbins
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:56:03 -0800
From: "Richard A. Bond, Jr." <rickbond@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Snare Drum Tuning
Message-ID: <32D336F3.25B6@concentric.net>
> <<I believe Mike Portnoy used a piccolo snare drum on ACOS.>>
>
> I don't know about this, mike is very open to admitting that he REALLY loves
> tightening the heads of his snares way up there, i have a 14 X 6 inch snare
> and have it cranked into that range much like ACOS, theres alot of crack in
> it and its got the same ring when i hit it, I've only played on a piccolo
> once and can imagine that if it was cranked like mike likes it, it would
> probably choke. also i think from an interview i read he said that the
> reason he recorded the snare like that on ACOS was because David Prater
> talked him into using that triggered snare sound on images and words and that
> that is what he really wanted the snare on IaW to sound like. But it is very
> possible to get that sound out of a bigger drum, possibly more likely than a
> piccolo.
I wanted to jump into this snare drum discussion. I mainly wanted to
share my own snare drum "tuning" method. I have a standars 14 x 6 Pearl
Export snare with a REMO Weather King Emporer Batter head with a REMO
ring control muffler inside it, and I tighten the lugs up as tight as I
can on top and bottom. When I play, I add a rimshot in every snare hit
I do. I love the sound I get, and I've had many people comment that
they've liked it as well. Just thought I'd share.
Rick Bond
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:05:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Femaile bands.
Message-ID: <970107211335_1416210533@emout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/8/97 1:10:51 AM, you wrote:
<<I was up late the other night and heard this band named Poe. They
played one song called "Hello." I thought it was pretty goog You might
want to check them out as well.
>>
actually, the singers name is poe, and yes the CD is called hello and
includes alot of great songs, there is even a guest appearence by Gn'Rs
drummer Matt Sorum. this chick is even greater in concert, saw her when she
opened up for 7mary3 (dont know why i went to that)at the TLA in Philly,
never heard her B4 and was blown away.
laterz,
stan
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:30:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Ytsemusic, LIT
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970107222910.16431A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, zack gemmill wrote:
> real Dream Theater Fan. This thing is f*cking awesome! JP's solo
> at the end of To Live Forever might be the highlight of the vid.
> This is Barfbag, right? (reopening an old controversy). Of course,
Actually the song is called "moonbubbles." "Barfbag" appears on the Mike
Bahr WDATU disc. However, he labelled it as "showdown."
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:46:02 -0800
From: Erik Stearns <stearns@bga.com>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Take the Time and New signature.
Message-ID: <32D342AA.5E67@bga.com>
Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know that I ran that insert by a
linguist friend of mine and he told me that it's an old Russsian sample
reading from one of Chekov's works and that it said (in a rough
translation) "If you realize what you see, you will learn to live."
I dare not try to type the Cyrilic text in a Germanic alphabet.
By the way, How do you like my new signature file? The url isn't up and
running yet but I'll ley you know.
Let light surround you.
-- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he."-- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress
Erik Stearns Starblazer Enterprises Inc. 3201 Duval Road #1422 Austin, TX 78759 (512)719-1252 Fax: (512) 719-1066 stearns@bga.com http://www.starblazer.com
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:48:52 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Xmas CD #, Euro-singles Message-ID: <199701080448.XAA17472@newman.cris.com>
Graham wrote,
>Who has the lowest numbered Christmas CD? I can't remember offhand, but >I think mine is #854.
Mine's #422. Luckily, I found a replacement jewel box for the "euro-single" case it came in. My case was cracked upon arrival in the mail. :-( But during the holiday, I spent a couple of days in Joisey, and found replacement cases at a nifty little record store in Red Bank called Jake's Music Shoppe. I'm surprised I didn't bump into any Jammers while I was in NJ. Heck, there certainly are enough of them there....or so it seems.
-Rick
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:25:52 -0600 From: sykes@inwave.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Duke Fame Message-ID: <199701080525.XAA19591@earth.inwave.com>
> >>Paul Shortino was the singer for 80's cheese metal band Ruff Cutt or >however they spelled it. > >Rough Cutt was a great band. Good blusey 80's metal. This band should >have been huge. Hey does anyone know if the 2 albums they released are >available anywhere on cd? > >Oh yeah Shortino was also in Spinal Tap. I can't remember his name in >the movie but he was the singer that Howard Hessman managed. > >
That would be Duke Fame. "Sorry guys, we'd love to stay here and chat, but we've gotta go sit in the lobby and wait for the limo." What a wanker ;)
six superfluous (sp?) cds:
DT-Awake FW-Inside Out FW-Parallels Cynic-Focus Sanctuary-Into the Mirror Black Various-Working Man
| If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. | | sykes@inwave.com |
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 23:03:29 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Christmas CDs Message-ID: <199701080603.XAA01300@goodguy.goodnet.com>
I just might have the *highest* numbered Xmas CD, just as a matter of extremely fringe trivia. :) Can anyone beat #1000? Given that the print run was supposedly 1000 (or did I confuse that with another disc?) it would sort of have to be.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-1, PAC 10 Champs!
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 00:04:52 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fact or fiction?! Message-ID: <32d339030cf6256@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
> To the guy who said that, "Streets is the greatest album of all time > (fact)." > > This statement is just as absurd as saying that a band simply "Sucks." > What FACTS do you have to support your claim? None, I suspect. Is Streets > the highest selling album of all time? Did it have the longest running #1 > single ever? Does every Savatage fan believe it is their best album ever? > **I THINK NOT** Personally, I like Streets very much, but your claiming > your opinion to be fact is a sure sign of your closed mind. Go ahead, > flame me, but I know I'm not alone in my feelings here.
You really need to get your panties out of the big bunch they're in. Obviously, he knows that it's an opinion. He just said "fact" as a way of emphasizing how much he liked it. He could've said "Golly gee, this a good album (IMO, of course)" but he thought that would've sounded stupid. Some people really need to relax. If you have some kind of anger that you need to release, find a better way to do it than picking on people's choice of expression. Boy, I'd hate to be that uptight, it must be hard on a person after a bit.
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:19:36 -0500 (EST) From: Drummnstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: vocalists Message-ID: <970107211035_71115923@emout10.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/8/97 12:52:44 AM, you wrote:
<< >Who are these guys?: >Adam (no last name)
the vocalist for Tool... >>
vocalist for tool is Maynard James Keenan.
laterz, stan
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:07:24 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Snare Drum Tuning Message-ID: <199701080717.AAA26003@cyberhighway.net>
> > <<I believe Mike Portnoy used a piccolo snare drum on ACOS.>>
All I can say is the first moment Mike hit that snare on ACOS I about jumped through the roof. It took me a long time to get used to that. :P I don't think I still have.
Mebbe Mike liked it that way, though and I'll have to live and learn, but it's so penetrating I can't focus on anything else in the song at times. It would be better faded back a tad I guess, but that's just my lowly, uneducated, non-dummer's, objective opinion. :)
>vocalist for tool is Maynard James Keenan.
Not to be confused with Maynard G. Krebbes. Both guys rock nadz, but Krebbes was cooler.
And to to whoever posted the chim chimney chim chimney chim chim churee thing, I hate you forever! It's been stuck in my head all night and that's the only part I know anyway. :( Mary Poppins sucks (that's where that's from ain't it?) Now do you want me to explain why I think it sucks or what? If you do, I not gonna anyway. :P
Later! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) ibanez@cyberhighway.net "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:39:30 +0100 From: Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Snare Drum Tuning Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970108083930.12bf3898@pop.student.hgs.se>
>And to to whoever posted the chim chimney chim chimney chim chim >churee thing, I hate you forever! It's been stuck in my head all >night and that's the only part I know anyway. :( Mary Poppins sucks >(that's where that's from ain't it?) Now do you want me to explain >why I think it sucks or what? If you do, I not gonna anyway. :P
BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
MAIL: te95mne@student.hgs.se URL: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:45:27 -0800 From: metal@mail.tij.cetys.mx (Juan Manuel Valverde Jaime) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Marillion RULEZ! Message-ID: <19970108094526097.AAA516@serial2.tij.cetys.mx>
itchy>
well you maybe right, but i did finish listening to the album, and i heard brave the next day (a friend has it) , i must say brave is a better album than (six of one..<something like that>), but i think i can say something here about a band, if i like it or not, and i didnt like that band.
i still respect that you like it.
I do like rush, dt, fates warning, savatage, yes, king crimson, metallica, megadeth, slayer, led zeppelin, jimi hendrix, etc etc.... i like them and it doesnt matter if its jazz, metal, prog, clasical, its still music.
i just didnt like marillion thats my point, i dont mean to recommend , its just an opinion on a band. i heard two albums, heard them twice, didnt convince me... and thats it, i gave them a chance.
I dont mean to insult anybodys taste in music....
Juan
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 10:07:27 GMT From: nigelb@powerup.com.au (Nigel Bridgeman) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2166 Message-ID: <199701081007.KAA13434@enterprise.powerup.com.au>
Matt Someoneorother spake thusly:
>To the guy who said that, "Streets is the greatest album of all time >(fact)."
I'm that guy, as some of you would know.
>This statement is just as absurd as saying that a band simply "Sucks." >What FACTS do you have to support your claim? None, I suspect. Is Streets >the highest selling album of all time? Did it have the longest running #1 >single ever? Does every Savatage fan believe it is their best album ever? >**I THINK NOT** Personally, I like Streets very much, but your claiming >your opinion to be fact is a sure sign of your closed mind. Go ahead, >flame me, but I know I'm not alone in my feelings here.
I suppose you don't know me, but when I say things like that I mean it as my personal opinion. That my personal opinion also happens to be fact is irrelevant :)
What does being the highest selling album of all time have to do with it being the best album of all time? Since when did popularity equate brilliance? If this was the case then the Macarena would be considered high art, at least. And Dream Theater would be complete and utter crap.
It is a very good album, tho (Streets, not the Macarena). Although it's best-ness is being threatened somewhat by some other albums...
Sava-Spiff
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:51:56 -0500 From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Work with me here... Message-ID: <32D408EC.43E6@net1plus.com>
I have been spending the whole damned day moping around the house feeling sorry for myself because I don't own SUBCONSCIOUS. Last night, I dreamt that I had it and was listening to it. So I would like to make a trade for it. Here are some possible trades I would make for it:
1. Lost in the Sky (2 cd) & Rockin' Japan (1 cd)
2. Limelight Gig on video (originial version of ACOS) and one of the above boots.
3. Japanese PPV video and one of the above boots.
4. Tape copy of the DTIFC Christmas cd for a tape copy of Subconscious.
* Any other combinations can possibly be arranged (as well as $$$ options).
If anyone is interested please e- mail me privately (metropolis@net1plus.com) Thank You, Jon Dery
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