YTSEJAM Digest 2181
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2178
by Jan van Huizen <aurora@wirehub.nl>
2) Re: Alex Skolnick albom
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
3) Re: Marillion SUCKS!
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
4) Re: Leviathan
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
5) CD import service
by LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at>
6) Ray Gillen/ Ian Gillan confusion!
by Jose Lucas Perroni Kalil <gzr@geocities.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180
by rwarren@memphisonline.com
8) Saigon Kick
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180
by "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
10) IME Again...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
11) Galactic Cowboys
by Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
12) Hello??
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2178
by Drummnstan@aol.com
14) Self-correction: replies to 2171, some DT content
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
15) I thought of some DTC!!!
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
16) Midnight ????
by Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
18) rantage/dtifc
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:16:07 +0100
From: Jan van Huizen <aurora@wirehub.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2178
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970113181607.0069feb0@mail.wirehub.nl>
At 09:12 12-01-97 -0800, you wrote:
><<This is a generated message to let you know that I have recieved your
>EMail but I am away on vacation and will return on Febuary 4th 1997. All
>email will be saved and any and all email will also be copied to
>nemesis@cafebbs.com who is a System Manager. If the message is in
>regards to access or any problems, Nemesis will take care of it.
>>>
>
>ohhh, no, not another one of these auto replys coming to the jam, didnt we
>have one of these like 4 or 5 months ago?
>
>
>laterz,
>stan
>
> 4) MP drum instructional video
> by Drummnstan@aol.com
> 5) Re: Auto-Reply from BoSsMaN
> by Drummnstan@aol.com
> 6) Re: Matt Sorem and stuff
> by Drummnstan@aol.com
Oh no, not another guy who wastes bandwith by replying to 3 different posts
instead of putting it in post ?
- Aurora -
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:18:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Alex Skolnick albom
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970113131636.2264A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
My guitar teacher is getting lessons from Skilnick and hasn't mentioned
him doing much studio work. I could be wrong, but I don't think another
albom is currently in the works. Alex is really fed up with the music
scene and is actually thinking of persuing journalism with vigor. It's
sad that one of the great guitarists is fed up so much that he may drop
all musical ambition. Be well.
Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:23:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Marillion SUCKS!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970113122026.20468C-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
I think I bought the same Marillion CD and I really really think it sucks
too, anyone who wants to exchange it or something, I'll mail it in
exchange for another CD... so if someone wants the description, goes like:
Marillion, "greatest hits", songs from'83 to '87
anyone?.........
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:27:42 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Leviathan
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970113122423.20468D-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
I bought Leviathan's Hearthquake and really really??, It doesnt suck but
it's really not my kind of prog metal....anyone....??
My guess is (because Heartquake was recorded in '87) that if this guys
practiced since then, today they would be really good, but it's only a
theory and suposition of mine, anyone has some recent stuff of Leviathan??
A plus tard....
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 19:45:40 +0100
From: LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD import service
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970113184540.0066f878@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hi jammers !
I thought I would like to offer you a service, since many of you
have become good friends of mine. I see that there are some problems
getting cds from another country, and since I am from Austria, Europe,
I could help you find some albums you have been looking for.
However, this won't be cheap, since an average cd costs about $25 here,
and the shipping is at least $5. Anyway, if there is no other way, please
let me know and I will try to help you.
Mail to LoneWolf@dreamt.org to ask for my help.
See ya,
Wolf.
P.S.: Just bought Artension "Into the eye of the storm". Awesome.
Jazz, Classical, Metal, and definitely prog. Great playing.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:11:19 -0300
From: Jose Lucas Perroni Kalil <gzr@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ray Gillen/ Ian Gillan confusion!
Message-ID: <32DA96E7.5D8@geocities.com>
Hi!
> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 17:05:06 -0500 (EST)
> From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
>
> > Well, well... Ray Gillen was a recent topic on the Black Sabbath Mailing
> ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List and nowadays here. It really looks like he died of AIDS.
>
> and the light goes on.......i had no freaking clue whatsoever who this
> Gillen guy was, and didn't care either, until i saw this juxtaposition
>
> and then it hit me: This was the "Gillen" who'd (sorta but not really)
> been a Black Sabbath member??
> funny thing, I'd always thought that the "gillen" in that
> situation was the lead singer from Deep Purple
Your doubt coherent. Well... You are right and I am right
because two
Gillens were lead singers of Black Sabbath. Ian Gillan ( with "a" ) sang
on Black Sabbath in 1983, replacing Ronnie James Dio. This "Gillan"
was
the lead singer of the classic Deep Purple line up ( Blackmore/ Lord/
Paice/ Gillan/ Glover ). Ray Gillen joined Black Sabbath during the
"Seventh Star" tour, replacing Glenn Hughes (another ex- Deep Purple).
Quiting Black Sabbath, he joined the Blue Murder band and so, he formed
Badlands with Jake E.Lee ( ex- Ozzy Osbourne ), Eric Singer (ex- Black
Sabbath ) and Greg Chaisson.
Any opened discusion? Please search the answer at:
http://www.black-sabbath.com/sabbath.htm
I think itīs the best Black Sabbath Site on the Net :)
--
"I'm a Rock'n'Roll soldier, Gonna play it until I'm dead
Nobody I know will ever take my Rock'n'Roll away from me."
( BACK STREET KIDS - TECHNICAL ECSTASY - BLACK SABBATH'76 )
/------< >----------------------------------------------< >--------\
( Jose Lucas Perroni Kalil --( RiOr Member )-- Sao Paulo / Brazil )
( E-Mails: mailto:sabbath.rocker@sti.com.br )
( mailto:gzr@geocities.com )
\_____Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6671
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:18:09 -0600
From: rwarren@memphisonline.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970113131807.006cab94@memphisonline.com>
>To the person that said Kurt Cobain was a good person and his music
>sucked...
>I believe it's the other way around.
I believe he sucked and his "music" sucked.
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:25:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Saigon Kick
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970113132429.26135Y-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Can anyone tell me wich Saigon Kick is the best?
I want to get some Z albums too and Mike Keneally
thanks a lot
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:47:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970113134602.40459D-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 rwarren@memphisonline.com wrote:
> >To the person that said Kurt Cobain was a good person and his music
> >sucked...
> >I believe it's the other way around.
>
> I believe he sucked and his "music" sucked.
>
> Richard Warren
> rwarren@memphisonline.com
>
>
You're absolutely right.....hey, you're my man Bro!!!
That white boy really sucked, his music and his life was shit!!!
Kurt Kobain is more than cold dead....
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:07:10 -0500
From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: IME Again...
Message-ID: <199701132006.MAA20167@pawn.ax.com>
>I Mother Earth: I saw them open for DT in Milwaukee a while ago, but IMO,
>they sounded really bad. Maybe it was just their live sound, but they
>sounded like average alternative stuff. They didn;t seem to get much of a
>reception from the DT crowd either. But a lot of you on here seem to dig
>their album, so maybe i should check out their studio sound - I might be
>missing out on something.
I think their two albums are worlds apart. This is primarily due to Edwin
getting his shit together and deciding that he's a singer and not a rapper
(or some cross between the two). His more straightforward singing on Alex
Lifeson's album is pretty representative of his work on the second album,
'Scenery and Fish'. And the rest of the band really cooks. Jagori Tanna
HAS to be one of the most underrated guitar players out there. Period.
Speaking of guitarists, I know there's a lot of Extreme fans here, so does
anyone know if and or when Nuno's album is out? I haven't seen it yet, but
since the mags all have reviewed it, it's got to be soon...
Mike
mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:17:27 -0800
From: Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Galactic Cowboys
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970113120227.0068ac84@apu.edu>
>I have heard a lot about the band, Galactic Cowboys. I have never heard
>them, and I am wondering where to start as far as purchasing CDs. Which
>one would be best for a die hard DT/FW fan (myself) to listen to first?
>
>
Get Space in your face!!! It is one of the better ones IMO. It is kinda
dark and almost grungy with songs like "About Mrs. Leslie" and "Where are
you now?" You've probably heard "I do what I do" especially if you were a
Z-rock listener. They can be very DTish at times with time changes and the
like. Cool band, I wish I saw them on tour. Actually they remind me a bit
of Kings X at times.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:39:05 -0500
From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hello??
Message-ID: <s2da5021.084@wasc.egginc.com>
This is a test.....my posts haven't been getting through.........don't whine,
it doesn't take up nearly as much space as "This guitarist sucks, this one
rules!!!!" :>)
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:33:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Drummnstan@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2178
Message-ID: <970113153207_373959703@emout02.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 1/13/97 6:33:01 PM, you wrote:
<<
Oh no, not another guy who wastes bandwith by replying to 3 different posts
instead of putting it in post ?
>>
ohhhh, soooooo , soorrrrryyy, i guess its my fault that all of those posts
didnt hit my mailbox at the same time. next time I'll do my best not to
ruffle your feathers Oh Czar of the YTSEJAM. or maybe you would like to
have the job of organizing my posts, just let me know when you want me to
start sending them to you.
Laterz,
stan
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:53:28 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Self-correction: replies to 2171, some DT content
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/000FC249@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
>>>>>Maybe this shouldn't be so surprising. Derek Shulman of Gentle
Giant, later at Mechanic Records, was instrumental in DT's early history.
(This is probably in the DT FAQ; check also the linear notes of WDADU....
Derek Shulman shows up in the liner notes for IAW, NOT WDADU. There are
bunch of Dereks in the liner notes beside THE Derek; also I've read
conflicting notes whether Shulman is with Mechanic or East-West.
Savatage is excellent; the name could be misleading to someone who hasn't
heard any of their recordings. They are hard to categorize: orchestral
metal is almost as much an oxymoron as rap music.
*Desire*: Gary Hoey's guitar meets JS BACH (the original dude) aka *Jesu,
Joy of Man's Desire.*
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:20:44 -0500
From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I thought of some DTC!!!
Message-ID: <32DAA72C.20FE@net1plus.com>
Ok. I hope this hasn't been discussed before. I was curious (have been
for years!) as to who wrote which verses to TTT. If nobody knows, maybe
we could try to analyze each verse to see who's style it most resembles.
My guesses (This is assuming James didn't write any lyrics because he
didn't go through all the past shit with the band. There are four-maybe
five-verses in the song. I say maybe five because there is a space in
the liner notes between "For the fortune lies still in his hands" and
"If there's a pensive fear" [although no chorus between them like all
the other verses]):
First verse-
"Just let me catch my breath... I've heard the promises. I've seen the
mistakes. I've had my share of tough breaks. I need a new voice, a new
law, a new way. Take the time, reevaluate. It's time to pick up the
pieces, go back to square one. I think it's time for a change." - Mike
"There is something that I feel, to be something that is real. I feel
the heat within my mind and craft new changes with my eyes. Give me
freely wandering promises. A place with descisions I'll fashion. I
won't waste another breath." -John M.
"The unbroken spirit, obscured and disquiet finds clearness this trial
demands, and at the end of this day sighs an anxious relief, for the
fortune lies still in his hand. If there's a pensive fear, a wasted
year, a man must learn to cope. If his obsession's real, supression
that he feels must turn to hope." - John P.
"I close my eyes and feel the water rise around me. Drown the beat of
time, let my senses fall away. I can see much clearer now I'm blind."
-Kevin (Also, don't forget- Kev wrote "I once could see but now at last
I'm blind." in Surrounded.)
Well, those are my guesses. Again, I hope this hasn't been discussed
during the year I was unsubed, because I, um, took a lot of, um, time
(how many sips is that?!). It'll be cool to find out other people's
interpretations (even though mine are right!).
Blah blah blah blah by the way, blah blah blah blah if there are any
blah blah blah blah blah Fix for '96 tapes floating around, blah blah
blah blah blah and someone e-mailed me with info on them, blah blah blah
blah I would be very happy and blah grateful blah.
- Jon Dery (blah)
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:30:06 -0400
From: Cliff_Totten@discovery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Midnight ????
Message-ID: <8525641E.00754D0E.00@smtp1.discovery.com>
Cliff Totten
01/13/97 04:30 PM
Does Anyone Know what ever happened to Midnight ??
Is he still alive??
Does he still sing?? ( I can't stand the thought of one of the best
vocalists in the world, flipping burgers or washing cars.....etc....! )
C'mon..... SOMEONE out there must know something about him !!!!!
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:32:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970113150224.1858B-100000@enteract.com>
> You were saying about Michael Jackson and stuff not playing his solos... I
> believe Jennifer Batten was the guitarist for him for quite a long time.
Eddie Van Halen played the solo to "Beat It". He's toured with Jennifer
Batten extensively (or should I say Jennifer toured with HIM) and recently
she passed the slot off to Greg Howe for a while.
> I have heard a lot about the band, Galactic Cowboys. I have never heard
> them, and I am wondering where to start as far as purchasing CDs. Which
> one would be best for a die hard DT/FW fan (myself) to listen to first?
GC is good, but they're not much like DT or FW. What you NEED is the
following: Lemur Voice, Symphony X, and Angra. LV is domestic, the other
two are a bit pricy, but I guarantee you'll LOVE them.
> I think I'm gonna get flamed here, but I gotta say what I feel. I saw Yngwie
> a few months ago and I have to say I was very disappointed. I've admired his
> playing since I bought the LP Steeler back in 1983 (Hot On Your Heels kicks
> ass!) Sure he plays really fast, but having a chance to watch him close he
> barely is touching the strings; he's just got his amp up so high that any
> hyper-active person could've sounded like a virtuoso.
I'm not flaming you for this, but that's a valid technique. As much as
you may think turning up the volume will mask things, it's turning up the
gain and the distortion that hides technical errors... pumping up the
volume often times makes the flaw more pronounced. Playing lighly on the
strings is something that you learn from playing a scalloped fretboard.
If you press to hard the note bends and you lose your intonation. Some
people like to pick and fret hard... some a combination of light and
heavy... I know Yngwie does both. He does use a bit of legato, and to do
that at the speeds he requires you have to be VERY light on the frets.
That's all economy of motion. Judging by Yngwie's nylon string wankery, I
think he is quite capable to this day of playing as hard as necessary to
get his sound and his speed rolling.
> >Well duders...it's been fun, but I'm unsubscribing. As for a reason?
> >Frankly....it's boring as hell. Haven't seen anything interesting on the jam
> >for a few months or more. I might be back in awhile, but I wouldn't count on
> >it. Later.
/me gets out the "DICK" brand and sizzles one onto Ben's forehead.
> Well Ben, instead of whining about the status of the jam have you've tried
> doing anything about it, like posting something. You're a nice guy Ben and I
> wish you'd stay around, but if you're gonna go then go. Or maybe we're
> supposed to feel guilty because we're not providing you with enough
> entertainment.
Well said. It's kind of tactless to tell us "I'm unsubscribing". First
off, I don't give to loaves of fine brown shit, and second off, I'm not
going to feel bad if you're too busy with your non existant social life to
read the jam. I wish Ben well... now let's forget him like he forgets us
and move on until as I'm counting on, he returns with the release of
the new DT album
> Best band: Angra
> Best album: Angra - Holy Land
> Hope for the future: Superior !!!
I can agree with that. :)
Oh.. all of you gamers out there that have Diablo... I'm totally hooked on
the game, and while I'm not a mega high level yet, I will be, and I'd like
to kick some demon ass with you all. If you go on Battle.net look for
games related to prog songs or bands... ("Fates Warning", "The Dream
Theater", "Surrounded", etc...) It's probably me (I mainly use a character
named Matheos (for Jim Matheos of Fates Warning). I set up the password
"ytsejam" for all of my private games. Come kill with me. :)
- Chris Ptacek
Lord of the Fleas - Wookie De-Louser Extrordinaire - Tech Support Punching
Bag - Masturbatory Counciling - Lofty Ambititious Musician with 6 fingers
on his left hand, who killed your father and is prepared to die...
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:27:55 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: rantage/dtifc
Message-ID: <32DAB6EB.48EE@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Digital Man ranted:
> Popular culture, these days, seems to be in a mood to reward mediocrity,
> and insult talent. Fuck 'em.
"Fashion is an invention of civilization to make us unhappy with
everything
we already own."
> Boy, did I go off on a rant there. Sorry.
Now just take back the shit about Jethro and I'll power down the attack
planes :)
> Yeah. I remember the name of the band and the name of the song. I can't
> think of how the song goes now (how fickle rock radio is), but I remember
> that I liked it.
I'm sure there are other URLs besides this, but http://yyz.com/olp/ has
a sample of Starseed.
> Man, I have to calm down.
Try decaf :)
To those asking about the International Fan Club, here are some exceprts
from the FAQ (http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html)
---------
Fans in North America that wish to join the Dream Theater International
Fan Club can do so by following these instructions:
The cost of joining the Fan Club for one year is $15. Send a check or
money order for $15, made payable to:
"YTSE JAMS, INC."
Payment to be in U.S. funds only
Send to:
Dream Theater International Fan Club
Midtown Station, Box 1188
New York, NY 10018 USA
For further information, write to Neil Elliott, president of the DTIFC,
at 101352.3261@CompuServe.COM.
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Oh yeah, while I'm here I wanted 2nd, 3rd, etc. the comments of those
defending Neil. I met him at the Strand and he actually is, in fact, a
decent guy :)
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