YTSEJAM Digest 2183
Today's Topics:
1) You suck. No, *you* suck. Oh, yeah, and some FAQ news.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
2) ZRock pt. 2
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
3) X-mas CDs, YKTR, PMU, The end,
by zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill)
4) Digest 2182..
by Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net>
5) clarify myself
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2181
by Victor Jason <victor@dawn.joensuu.fi>
7) Announcing CD dubs of Mike Bahr's Antiquities!! :^)
by JamesArin@aol.com
8) FW: Re: Marillion SUCKS!
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
9) FW: Re: Alex Skolnick albom
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
10) Superior as a hope
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
11) shrapnel
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
12) DT Music fingies
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180
by edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk)
14) RE: Alex Skolnik
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
15) NDTC - Madam X and Vixen
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
16) Nuno
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
17) GC hidden tracks
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:01:34 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: You suck. No, *you* suck. Oh, yeah, and some FAQ news.
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9701132335.C5022-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
> Subject: Re: Marillion SUCKS!
>
> I think I bought the same Marillion CD and I really really think it sucks
We don't need this.
----> From: rwarren@memphisonline.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180 > > >To the person that said Kurt Cobain was a good person and his music > >sucked... > >I believe it's the other way around. > > I believe he sucked and his "music" sucked.
We don't need this.
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> From: "Roland (Shred) Rupp" <al765518@mail.mty.itesm.mx> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180 > > That white boy really sucked, his music and his life was shit!!! > Kurt Kobain is more than cold dead....
We *really* don't need this.
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> From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com> > Subject: I thought of some DTC!!! > > Ok. I hope this hasn't been discussed before. I was curious (have been > for years!) as to who wrote which verses to TTT. If nobody knows, maybe > we could try to analyze each verse to see who's style it most resembles.
This was discussed somewhat in the past. I finally got the skinny from Mike. I've been meaning to put it into the FAQ. Soon, though.
> First verse- > > pieces, go back to square one. I think it's time for a change." - Mike
Yup.
> won't waste another breath." -John M.
Good. Two for two.
> that he feels must turn to hope." - John P.
Hey, Jon's got three for three! Jon, care to take what you've won so far and quit now, or are you going to risk everything and keep playing?
> "I close my eyes and feel the water rise around me. Drown the beat of > time, let my senses fall away. I can see much clearer now I'm blind." > -Kevin (Also, don't forget- Kev wrote "I once could see but now at last > I'm blind." in Surrounded.)
Four for four! I'm sorry that we can't award any prizes, though, because you failed to make a guess as to who wrote the chorus. :) (Incidentally, Mike came up with "It's time to take the time", and the rest of the chorus was Kev.) Thank you for playing our game!
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> From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> > Subject: rantage/dtifc > > Digital Man ranted: > > > Man, I have to calm down. > > Try decaf :)
Yuck! Ever try decaf Dew? It's so... pointless!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ZRock pt. 2 Message-ID: <199701140508.AAA132741@pilot10.cl.msu.edu>
I was just thinking about the Ted Nugent takeover of the Detroit ZRock station and I remembered a show I heard over the holidays. It was called the listening room and it is on every Tues. night around midnight. When I last heard it, he played Surrounded(!), some Savatage(Believe, I think), King's X, and a bunch of other good stuff. For anyone still in the Detroit radio area(I'm at school at Michigan State, so I can't pick it up now), check it out and let me know if they're still playing cool stuff.
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter
"Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups..."
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 21:38:24 PST From: zack@lsil.com (zack gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: X-mas CDs, YKTR, PMU, The end, Message-ID: <9701140538.AA15516@fas2>
On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, durnik wrote:
> I just might have the *highest* numbered Xmas CD, just as a matter > of extremely fringe trivia. :) Can anyone beat #1000? Given that the print > run was supposedly 1000 (or did I confuse that with another disc?) it > would sort of have to be. > > - Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - ASU Sun Devils 11-1, PAC 10 Champs! > > >>I have # 1027.
I have numer 100^100. Beat that. >>>
Y Kant Tori Read cost a fortune? I saw a copy or two a few months ago for $25, new. How is the sound quality? I'm not a "fan", but I do like a lot of her stuff. >>>
>My best >friend and co-worker were driving to work one morning when PMU came on >Z Rock. My friend turned it up, as he had been trying to explain this >new song he had heard to me for about a week...I just kept missing it. >Of course, it blew me away, only to end up near the bottom of my list >of favorite DT tunes over the years.
I don't know about anyone else, but Pull Me Under is *still* my favorite Dream Theater song, after all these years. Period. I consider it their anthem. >>>
>Well duders...it's been fun, but I'm unsubscribing. As for a reason? >Frankly....it's boring as hell. Haven't seen anything interesting on >the jam for a few months or more. I might be back in awhile, but I >wouldn't count on it. Later. >Ben "Ben" Laussade
Looks like Ben is channeling Mojo and Mithrandir. Anyone up for an exorcism? Nos vemos en el infierno, Benny. I was on here like 850 'Jams before him and I'll be damned if I'm going to subscribe now, even if we've revisited the same threads 100^100 times (there's that number again, hmm...) Maybye he's got a girlfriend (or something).
Zach
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:49:11 -0500 (EST) From: Irene Raceu <majesty@voyager.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Digest 2182.. Message-ID: <199701140649.BAA27366@vixa.voyager.net>
Andrew Garinger mentioned that Ted Nugent bought out Z-Rock in Detroit...
I had no idea about that! I guess that explains why it's called "102.7, The Bear" now :) That's pretty cool :)
But still, that's kind of surprising considering the crap they play on it! You'd think they'd play better stuff if he took over... especially a lot more guitar stuff. But yes, I hear Ted's stuff on there on occasion.. though I hear it more on WRIF.
Well, I guess I don't really care as long as my tape player in my car doesn't die out on me :) If radio starts playing good stuff again, then I'll listen, but for now I'll just stick to tapes and cds. :)
Take care, all :)
Irene
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:58:55 +0200 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: clarify myself Message-ID: <199701140807.KAA22305@pepe.online.ee>
>> "the faster,better,more talented dream theater" ...he just spoke the >> truth..DT is more talented than Nirvana was.... and im not talking > Thanks 'Los, I was about to clarify it myself, but decided the guy > wasn't worth wasting the bandwidth. That's exactly what my post was
OK, maybe I *was* sleepy and maybe it *isn't* an apology. But it doesn't change the mere fact that I'm very sensitive about the word "talent" and its relatives. To say "band x is more talented than band y" is very biased to the core and is based purely on opinions. These days, the word tends to be equivalent to "better".
In this case, you can't compare those two bands. You can't compare laziness to the ability. If you really want comparisons, take two/three/many bands/individuals who have at least something in common. To me, stating that moving on from Nirvana to more talented players means less than nothing. Dieter Bohlen can have more talent in his little toe, as far as I give a shit. It really does take some gray matter to write something worthless that pleases many.
Pole vaulting dudes are not by default any more or any less talented than rock musicians. These are different fields of activities that can't be compared. To me, the fact that both those above-mentioned bands make music, is trivial. However, I've been thru that phase myself and it seemed impossible back then to even think any other way. I drew parallels between 2 Unlimited and Metallica and puked in disgust when I read lyrics of Culture Beat. (Who remembers them now?) It took 4 years and here I am, not worth wasting the bandwidth. Which, again, is based solely on emotions and opinionated to boot.
Off we go.
Raitz
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 10:51:50 EET From: Victor Jason <victor@dawn.joensuu.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2181 Message-ID: <199701140851.KAA02018@dawn.joensuu.fi>
hi jammers! does anyone know the release date for dt's new record??? cool. later Bear --
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 03:52:35 -0500 (EST) From: JamesArin@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com, metropolis@arastar.com, durnik@goodnet.com, Subject: Announcing CD dubs of Mike Bahr's Antiquities!! :^) Message-ID: <970113215401_878792100@emout17.mail.aol.com>
CD dubs of Mike Bahr's Antiquities
Yes it is true as the subject line states I can make you a copy of Antiquities on CD. Now I say again that this is a COPY and it is not an original from some secret stock pile. :^) I received permission from Mike to do Subconscious, Acoustic Dreams and now Antiquities and my intent is not to compete with him. I am doing this because I realize that there are a number of Jammers that missed out on Antiquities and I would like to help.
> A note from Mike: > Hi everyone! I can't make any more, you're all well aware of >that. It seems like what Jim's doing here is a decent enough project... I >don't even know how he's going to cover costs because I barely did when I >was using much less expensive recording media. If you missed out on >Subconscious, this is your chance to at least get a CD copy of it. It >won't be the original, numbered, valuable collectible, but it will be the >same music on CD and that sure beats cassettes! :) For the record, as the >original creator of Subconscious, I give my blessing for this project to >go forward, and he might do Acoustic Dreams later; who knows! > >MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@goodnet.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
It WILL sound exactly the same as the original. It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original. It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S.
Shipping costs ============== Within the USA 48: free for up to 5 discs, $3.00 if more than 5
Canada, Mexico, North + South America, Alaska, Hawaii, PR: $2.00 for up to 5 discs, $5.00 if more than 5
All Europe, Asia, Japan, Australia, New Zealand locations: $5.00 for 1 or 2 discs, $8.00 for 3 to 5 discs, $10.00 for more than 5 discs.
If you send a money order I can mail the disc out without delay (usually 1 or 2 days after recieving payment, barring any unforseen problems- huh! huh! I said bar :^) ). With a check I must wait 10 business days after I deposit it in order for my bank to tell me if it has cleared. I don't mind doing this but if you want it ASAP send a money order. :^)
SEND PAYMENTS TO:
JAMES ARIN COLBERG P.O. Box 751 BRANFORD, CT. 06405-0751 USA
Please include with your payment a note with the following information:
Antiquities Order NAME: RETURN ADDRESS: E-MAIL: # of COPIES:
Thanks, Jim Colberg JamesArin@aol.com
=========================================================== Antiquities Track List:
A Crack In The Mirror Puppies On Acid Take The Time The Mists Of Evening Under A Glass Moon A Change Of Seasons Don't Look Past Me Metropolis Killing Hand A Fortune In Lies
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:28:22 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com Subject: FW: Re: Marillion SUCKS! Message-ID: <199701140928.BAA00170@ms.kallback.com>
>I think I bought the same Marillion CD and I really really think it sucks >too, anyone who wants to exchange it or something, I'll mail it in >exchange for another CD... so if someone wants the description, goes like: >Marillion, "greatest hits", songs from'83 to '87 ---------- I'm sure a Marillion fan would be glad to trade with you for something like Iron Maiden which they might think sucks. :p
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 01:29:41 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com Subject: FW: Re: Alex Skolnick albom Message-ID: <199701140929.BAA00170@ms.kallback.com>
>Alex... is actually thinking of persuing journalism with vigor. ---------- "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture."
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:50:57 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior as a hope Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970114095057.006e11c4@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi jammys!
>From: erasm58@cicrp.jussieu.fr (Ties GOEBEL) >Subject: Cool poll results in France / Great concert >Some remarkable results of the "best of 96" poll of a weekly >metal radio show here in France:
>Best band: Angra >Best album: Angra - Holy Land >Hope for the future: Superior !!!
This is so fucking cooooooooooooooooooool! :)
Sorry, I'm just happy. :)
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:26:42 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com Subject: shrapnel Message-ID: <199701141026.CAA00128@ms.kallback.com>
Does anyone know how to contact/order from Shrapnel? There was no listing in Novato,CA for them. Thanks Trevor
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:00:04 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Music fingies Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970115110004.00667ff8@powerup.com.au>
Hiyis
Just a quick question:
The music fingies on Skadz's DT page - do they not work using Internet Explorer?
Just curious...
Spiff
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 06:18:43 EST From: edwilk@juno.com (Edward J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2180 Message-ID: <19970114.061904.9670.5.EdWilk@juno.com>
>Noticed Ytse-Ed ask what Savatage cd to get next... my suggestion, get Edge >Of Thorns. Personally, that's one of my favorites (Streets being my fav). >I still prefer Zak to Jon, but yes, I do see what everyone means about Jon >being a more emotional singer. I also have Gutter Ballet (I don't have the >stuff before that) but I'm not too into that one. So, personally, I'd >recommend EOT next. Then, Gutter Ballet I suppose. And as for the stuff >before, I can't comment cause I don't have it. Check out the Savatage page >at http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/savatage.html. There are sound samples >there from most of the albums..
Hey there Irene. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll be borrowing Gutter Ballet from a friend tomorrow or sometime this week. You're the only one who reccomended EOT as my next purchase. :) Could you tell me why you aren't as into Gutter Ballet? Yah, I love 'Tage's webpage. Well put-together. I like sound samples from a band I've never heard before, but I wouldn't really trust them from a band of whom I have 3 CDs. Know what I mean? They're just too low-quality. I first heard Shadow Gallery on .WAV, and thought they were cool, but I didn't like "Crystalline Dream" (the .WAV). Know why? It sounded like a bad song, but little did I realize that it was because of the poor quality of the .WAV. It turns out to be probably my fave song on the disc. Thanks again for the reply. Later!
Ytse-Ed
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:42:57 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: Alex Skolnik Message-ID: <199701141211.EAA05975@pawn.ax.com>
> Alex is really fed up with the music > scene and is actually thinking of persuing journalism with vigor. It's > sad that one of the great guitarists is fed up so much that he may drop >all musical ambition.
Skolnik's a great player, but he's always had a piss-poor attitude towards music. He was ALWAYS bad-mouthing Testament and their music while he was in the band. He even prompted me to write Guitar World once because I thought that his comments were doing a big disservice to his fans.
Anyway, I remember reading somewhere that both of his parents are fairly successful writers, so I'm sure he's had more than his fill of exposure to it. If he's as good a writer as he is a guitarist, he won't have trouble putting food on the table.
Mike mepatrick@iquest.net
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:41:34 -0800 From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - Madam X and Vixen Message-ID: <32DC7C1E.10D5@connexus.apana.org.au>
Madam X were a 4 piece with male vocalist and bass player as well as Roxy Petrucci on drums and her sister (Maxine, I think) on guitar.
Seb Bach joined, after the band had recorded one album and split with their label.
And finally trivia buffs, the original Vixen bass player was Pia Coco, now wife of a certain Mr Steve Vai.
cheers
Eddy M Melbourne, Australia
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:07:11 +0900 From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nuno Message-ID: <199701141407.XAA08368@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
Hi! Mike Patrick and all ytsejammers!
Yeah,Nuno (known as his works with Extreme) will release his first solo album on 25th Jan.
I heard some songs on the radio. I thought those tracks are nice. But I've NEVER read positive reviews on mag (in Japan) so far. I mean music on this album is very modern American music,you know it's like a stuff of Stone Temple Pilots plays. STP is regarded as enemy by Japanese journalists. Mmm.......... I don't like STP,too. But I think this Nuno's album will be worth checking out.
Thanks. -Keiji Nishihara Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: GC hidden tracks Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970114100034.19894A-100000@bdmserver>
Michael wrote: >Now that's interesting, I didn't find those hidden tracks annoying. In >fact, I rather had fun trying to figure out exactly what tricks they had >played with the CD format standard in order to do some of them. Of course I >always love it when people take the time to really play with the >technology, just to see what it can do. (Comes from being a >software/hardware geek, I guess).
Well it is cool the first time but it gets really old quick. Ever try to listen to Space In Your Face in a car stereo?
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