YTSEJAM Digest 2195
Today's Topics:
1) Pigs boots
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
2) Re: Women, Men, and the jokes we tell
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
3) *DTC*Just thought of a REALLY cool cover DT should do...
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
4) A swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas
by "Brian Henderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com>
5) Steve Morse and a message re: VH
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
6)
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
7) Re: Kirkpatrick
by "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@MO.NET>
8) I will not coninue the argument on the jam...
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
9) Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC)
by ahs110@psu.edu (Amit Shah)
10) Crimson Glory
by "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
11) Tori Amos
by Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
12) Petrucci in "Spotlight" column years ago
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
13) DT cover band
by Arsi Koutaniemi <arsi@bitfield.fi>
14) DT cover band
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
15) Stuff
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
16) FW: Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC)
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
17) P'tai-Czech
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:49:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pigs boots
Message-ID: <199701170149.UAA08020@newman.cris.com>
Chris "Sexist rude, punk male pig" Ptacek wrote,
>Some people enjoy my witless souless evil useless posts.
Er....that would be me. Maybe I'm the only one, but this is where I look
each day for a dose of amusement....and wisdom. Wait, maybe I'm thinking of
Mr. Bafu.
Questions:
Rush bootleg Majestic Symphonies: is this the same as Mr. Bahr's Critical
Mass boot?
Also, does anyone have a tracklist for the following DT boots?:
Another Days
Dream In Progress
Another Uncovered
Thank you much.
-Rick
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:49:33 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Women, Men, and the jokes we tell
Message-ID: <199701170159.SAA05575@cyberhighway.net>
> I don't want to belabor this whole NDTC thread, but I did want to express
> my opinion that I love humor as much as anyone, and I personally had no
> aversion to the Women's and Men's lists that were posted. I thought they
> were kind of funny. What bothers me is that a lot of people are so quick
> to jump down someone's throat when they say that they are offended, as if
> the fact that it was a joke means they have no right to be hurt.
Lemme add to this. I know that there are alot of people who can get
hurt by things like this, but they ALWAYS have the option of skipping
the post. The first line of the joke told you what it was about, so
if you didn't want to hear it. Go to the next one. I've come to the
conclusion that anyone will whine about anything for the attention,
the money, the humiliation of the other person, or whatever, but it's
not like these posts come up all the time and when they do come up,
there is always that little button at the top of the screen called
"Delete." Learn it, use it, don't white it out, you'll need it
later...
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:11:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: *DTC*Just thought of a REALLY cool cover DT should do...
Message-ID: <199701170211.VAA09318@web1.america.net>
>Dixie Dreg's "what if":
Okay, seeing this little post about the Dregs, I was reminded of that cover
the Dregs did of a small little tune you might all know: Kashmir by Led
Zeppelin. Think about, WOULDN'T IT KICK ASS if Dream Theater covered this
song in its entirety???? I think the song would have a cool twist in the
violin parts switched out with keyboard parts a la the IAM keyboard
sound....WOW!
If anyone from the band is reading this, just think how awesome that'd be!
(okay, so I'm a hopeless insane Zeppelin freak too. But like the tv ad says
here in Atlanta for the drug rehab hospital, "If you don't get help at
Charter, get help somewhere.")
Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:04:34 -0500
From: "Brian Henderson" <Robert.Henderson@icdc.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A swirling miasma of scintillating thoughts and turgid ideas
Message-ID: <199701170339.WAA24363@darkstar.icdc.com>
A pal of mine *gave* me three records today:
- Yngwie Malmsteen "Rising Force" and "Marching Out"
- Dixie Dregs "Unsung Heroes"
Pity my turntable's broken... I'll have to give 'em a listen on my
Fisher-Price.
Are all the Dregs albums available on CD? I don't think I've seen more
than that best-of anywhere.
Good news! We had our *third* report about Bob Marley today in Music of
the '90s (class size: about 25). We've also had 2 reports each about
2-Pac, The Eagles, and Jimi Hendrix. Damn, I'm proud to be a part of such
an *original* class...
Also, I'm pretty sure I've heard good mention of Apocalypse here on the
'Jam. I sent out a money-order to them several weeks ago, but nothing's
arrived yet. I have E-mailed 'em a few times since then, each time met
with no response. Anybody have any idea whether the guy who does it is on
vacation? Do they usually take a long time to deliver an order? Isn't
mail answered on a regular basis? Am I a worrywort? Do these pants make
me look fat? Is there radon in my basement? How do I tie a masthead?
What are the goals of safe boating?!
Brian Henderson, Cyberburlap
robert.henderson@icdc.com
"C'mon get a picture uh this crazy critter!" -- Cletus, the slack-jawed
yokel
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:18:01 -0500
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: pure@mindspring.com, unadulterated bullshit <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Steve Morse and a message re: VH
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970117021801.0069cad0@pop.pipeline.com>
On behalf of no one, and running the risk of flame, I say:
FUCK OFF ALREADY WITH THE USENET-QUALITY VH "DISCUSSION"
I regret putting this sort of thing on the jam, but, hey, today was a long
day.
On another note, after all this pro-Steve Morse "High Tension..." talk
I made the jump and purchased the cd via cdnow. If you have an account
with them, they have given everyone some sort of gift certificate. mine was
worth 2 bucks, which brought the price of the cd, with shipping, to about
12 bucks. I love Steve's work on "Purpendicular" so I fully expect not
to be disappointed. Let's hope this jam recommendation pans out.
Kevin
GO WINGS!!!
GO PACKERS!!!
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:30:04 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970117033004.00687628@ici.net>
>In a perfect world this would be true. But the members of Van Halen own
>the houses, guitars, cars, etc. because of tickets sales, album sales,
>shirt sales, and the like. Who bought that stuff? THE FANS!!! I'm not
>drawing conclusions, just pointing out something that struck me as
>ironic.
I wasn't speaking about any band in particular, but OK: The band made a
record (or records), and toured and sold merchandise for that recording. In
return, they made a lot of money. They use that money to buy nice things.
End of transaction. The fans are owed nothing more, they already got what
they paid for...
-----
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 21:40:09 +0000
From: "Monty J. Newberry" <mjnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Kirkpatrick
Message-ID: <199701170337.VAA16083@Walden.MO.NET>
>...and there's a really cool song..kinda proggy called Viento
>borrascoso or something like that.
The CD in question would be their second release, Psycho Surgery,
which is mighty good, but I personally prefer Pathogenic Ocular
Dissonance. The most "proggy" (w/time changes and experimentation),
and easily the heaviest. Something interesting about "Viento..."
Ted Kirkpatrick not only plays drums, but also does the really cool
flamenco guitar in the middle. He also writes most of the music and
lyrics. Hmm, a drummer that can do more than bang on stuff (j/k, for
all you sensitive types :). Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:14:46 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I will not coninue the argument on the jam...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970117041446.0075cffc@enteract.com>
However,
Anyone interested in my simple reponse to that feeble argument can e
mail me directly: someone@prognosis.com with the subject: "Oooh Oooh! Lemme
see!!!" or whatever else you can do to make it easy for me to keep those
letters aside and throw you the FWD. Just so you all know, I am
disappointed in myself when I send an argument that doesn't belong on the
jam, to the jam. Point that out to me if I do it. Sometimes I slip up.
This arguement is between two people and is a waste of bandwidth. I will
not put any long posts to the jam about it.
And all VH fans should know that just because I think they suck
(heheh the BAND, not you guys), doesn't mean I think you should have to
agree. I don't think I should have to deal with little whining babies (or
should I stick with my motif and call it bitching?) who can't allow
something they like to be bad-mouthed. I feel responsibile to make sure
that when I can provide an opposing viewpoint to a thread, I do so. This
time it was so far off topic that it shouldn't have even been done... but
that's life.
To repeat, anyone that cares at all for this argument (and please don't
waste my time and the ytse's time to say how much you don't care) and my
personal response can e mail me and I'll gladly provide them with my e
mails. This is for your own personal entertainment value only though. :)
Take care!
Chris Ptacek
"Angry", "Uninformed", "Childish", "the most self righteous person", "the
most insanely negative, biased person", "devil's advocate", "self righteous
openminded" (if you figure it out, let me know), "lowered to {a particular
sub human?} that level", (to paraphrase) Inhuman, or subhuman, and an all
around great guy (okay, so he didn't say that)" - From Neil Evan's "Re:
EVH/DLR -- LONG -- NDTC"... an essay on good argumentative technique.
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 00:10:17 -0500
From: ahs110@psu.edu (Amit Shah)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC)
Message-ID: <199701170511.FAA54080@f01n05.cac.psu.edu>
Well it's been -20 degrees with the wind chill here in central PA, so i went
down to my local record store and bought some surf CDs to "transport" me to
some tropical habitat with friendly local girls.. ahh.. i really dig this
stuff! any of you other jammers have any recomendations? i just got a CD by
the Shadows, they're a pre-Beatles instrumental outfit.. the wacky twang
guitar sounds are incredible, i definatley reccomend it if you're bored &
looking for a change of pace. Gotta catch those waves now... yeah, right.. i
WISH.
Keep
jammin',
Amit Shah
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:51:21 -0500
From: "Elv" <cyclone@securenet.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Crimson Glory
Message-ID: <199701170654.WAA27880@pawn.ax.com>
So, as I said before CRIMSON GLORY are back together (without Midnight),
but right after they broke up they formed a band called Erotic Liquid
Culture. I found the web site: http://www.azbiz.net/elc/
You can check out some sound samples, the songs are like
"Strange&Beautiful".
Elvis Batur
cyclone@securenet.net
elv@geocities.com
Music In Progress
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:58:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tori Amos
Message-ID: <199701170658.WAA04179@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
Hey ya'll....I heard there was a Tori Amos concert
on Lifetime TV next friday, January 24th. Check
your local listings for details :)
Ryan
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 23:12:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petrucci in "Spotlight" column years ago
Message-ID: <199701170712.AA26413@crl7.crl.com>
I've been told by a local DT fan (found at a record show thanks to my
Ytsejam shirt) that John Petrucci was once featured in a column called
"Spotlight" in a guitar mag -- he thought it was GUITAR PLAYER -- when
John was 18. Apparently guitarists -- anyone -- were encouraged to
send in three songs/solos on a demo tape and if the mag liked them,
they'd include you in that month's column, with a quick article,
photo, etc.
I don't remember this being mentioned before, nor do I remember any
bootlegs having something -exactly- like this on there..... To hear
this guy tell it, he has a copy of that tape.
Five folks to cover DT:
Vocals Michael Tangermann of Superior
Keys Kevin Moore oh, all right, damnit, Jordan Rudess :)
Bass Sean Malone (we IRCers know he'd be easy to contact :))
Guitar Steve Vai, Bernd Basmer, Steve Morse or Satch
Drums Scott Rockenfield, Dave Re (ex-Early Warning; what the heck,
he'd have fun), Paul Bostaph (he's between jobs now, right? :))
These opinions will vary with the hour. :)
Are there any video boots of the actual Dance of Eternity show? My
friend tells me he has a crappy audience handheld one. Just wondering
if there are any good ones about.
DT apparently opened for Rod Stewart (!) in Europe during the AWAKE
tour (per John P. at his clinic here; my friend was there). Anyone
know what their setlist was like? Mellower tunes, perhaps?
-- +-- I never bared my emotions ---+ Dream Theater +- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | My passion always strong | "Scarred" | vanyel@crl.com | | I never lost my devotion <-+-> CD: Awake | pellaz@dreamt.org | + But somewhere fate went wrong -+----- http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ----+------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:50:01 +0200 From: Arsi Koutaniemi <arsi@bitfield.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT cover band Message-ID: <199701170750.JAA03293@bitfield.fi>
Okay here is mine...
Vocals - Dani from Cradle Of Filth Guitar - The Great Kat Bass - Dan Lilker from Brutal Truth Key. - Josh Silver from Type-O Drums - Scott Columbus from Manowar
Arsi
------------------------------------------------------------------ - I see the strangest faces - Bitfield Oy - - faces that I've never seen before - Arsi Koutaniemi - - they see through empty spaces - Ukonvaaja 2 - - spaces that do not exist no more. - 02130 ESPOO - - - 358-9-50242227 - - - King Diamond - Arsi@bitfield.fi - ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 01:48:56 -0600 From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT cover band Message-ID: <32df2ee673a3002@cliff.ou.edu>
ok, I'll jump on the bandwagon...
Guitar -- Joe Satriani. TAFKA prince (now called "squiggle") Bass -- Sting or possibly Paul McCartney Keys -- Mozart, bring 'im back! Drums -- Jon Case (Alex Van Halen would work, though) Vocals -- ME! that guy from Depeche Mode. Or Debbie Harry. Steven Tyler.
Wouldn't it be cool to have TWO drummers? That would rock!
Chip's ideas for the band (my husband)
weird al yankovic on vocals. Annie hasland michael jackson on drums, just because it would be funny madonna should not do the guitar, that would be gross the guy from marillion on keys michael hedges on guitar thurston moore on bass
.. well, I think I'll let him go back to sleep now...
Heya Jonathan, thought you'd dropped off the planet or something. Email me, we'll catch a coke at the Soviet Union some day.
Jazzmin
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:44:48 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Stuff Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970117084448.0068734c@powerup.com.au>
Hiyis
Just some comments, re: various threads in the jam recently.
1. Leaving the Jam:
Since joining the list in October or November (not sure) I have been introduced (not literally - don't want someone to take that the wrong way and flame me) to the following bands:
Savatage (woohoo! Streets is the best album of all time!) Galactic Cowboys Yes King Crimson ELP Fates Warning Probably some others I can't remember...
But that's 24 cds (at least) that I've bought because of this list... coolie :)
2. Kurt Cobain
I liked a lot of Nirvana's music, and I'd be the first to say that he was probably the most important musician of the 90's so far. If anyone would like to dispute that, be my guest, but can you think of another musician this decade who has had so much influence on the music industry?
Oh, and his music didn't suck. He was a great songwriter - just because he didn't write music like DT and lyrics like Neil Peart doesn't make him a bad composer.
3. DT Cover band
OK, here goes...
Vox - Sebastian Bach Drums - Neil Peart Keys - Jon Oliva :) Guitar - Steve Vai (just because of that song from Passion & Warfare... can't remember what it was called... I Would Love To, I think it was) Bass - Steve Harris
To anyone who was expecting an email from me in the last week, can you resend it or just send a nasty letter? I got a new computer and the old mail is on the old computer... and i deleted all my net stuff from that without thinking...
Hmm...
Well, cheerio!
Ytse-Spiff
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:23:10 -0800 From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com Subject: FW: Surf Music (NDTC, NVHC) Message-ID: <199701170923.BAA00181@ms.kallback.com>
>any of you other jammers have any recomendations? ---------- Yes. I recomend Los Straightjackets. They have two excellent cds of instrumental surf music. Catch a live show if you can. They all wear mexican wrestling masks! (I'm not making this up)
Trevor
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:48:51 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: P'tai-Czech Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970117013919.46234M-100000@dante14.u.washington.edu>
(Chris is half-Hawaiian, half-Bohemian, and half-Venusian, you know)
---- > From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2187 > > > Has "Scenes From A Memory" begun shipping yet? > > In case this isn't a joke, I've had mine for MONTHS.
It's not a joke. I sent a check to Equinox Empires back in...when was it...1992 for this disc, and I still haven't received it. I'm not even going to inquire about their "Precious Things" product line until I'm certain "Scenes" exists. It looked pretty good from the ads, though...
> Why do I bet Bafu gave the "Oh, I get it!" laugh when everyone else was > going nuts?
Probably because you saw the tape and figured out, from the manner in which I furiously knocked over John's monitors in total disgust, that I don't like being left out of a joke.
> he's been blind(deaf?) to so much of the music that people like him are > expected to know.
People "like" me? And what exactly "am" I? Are you STEREOTYPING, YOU FACIST SEXIST SOMNABULIST PIPPENWITHTHEASSIST SHOPPINGLIST PIG?!?!?!
> It's like going to advanced classical lessons and saying "Fernando Sor? > Who's albums did he play on?"
So... Who's Fernando Sor?
---- > From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2188 > >> Hello everyone, it's BABS. Here's the #1 rule that I follow: >> >> 1. Men are nothing, but trouble and heartache - thank God they come >> equipped with a wallet. > > Because of my built in sense of humor that I got from Bafu Vai as a > Christmas present, I was able to laugh at that. See below.
Hey, my company ain't like the other guys. We install it ONCE. And ONLY ONCE. Plus, unlike Data's emotion-chip, you can't turn it off. Ever.
> > I don't see women using the jam to rag on men > > See above.
Rag? "RAG?" She's making fun of Middle-Easterners! I'll have you know that my ancestors were from the Caucas Mountains! And that makes me Asian! CAUC-Asian!! DAAAAAMN YOOOUUUU...uh...TOOOO HEEELLLLLLL!!!
> You're either XX or Xy, and you DEAL with it.
You're...you're segregating ANDROGYNS!! That settles it, you're not my friend anymore, get these Gorilla amps outta my house. NOW.
> Women make fun of men and men make fun of women.
And who do androgyns make fun of? Huh? WHO??? Oh, I forgot, they aren't "real" people, are they? So I guess they just don't get to make fun of ANYONE, do they?? YOUR HEAD ON A SPEAR, PTACEK!! JUSTLIKETHELORDOFTHE FLLLIIIIIEEEEES!!!
> Until the list says "Women are incapable of completing traditionally > male tasks" or something along those lines you have no exuse to bitch > like that.
Notice he used the verb "bitch" instead of "complain." SEXIST TEXAS LEXUS PIG!!!
> Email me at He-Man Woman Hater@prognosis.com if you want to contest what > I've just said. Be prepared to be eaten alive and you'll to fine.
Oh, I get it now... Androgyns aren't good enough to make your "classy enough to make fun of other people" list, but CANNIBALS are okay, huh? YES SIR, THOSE PEOPLE-EATING PERSONS, THEY CAN HAVE *MY* BUD LITE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!
:)
"And worst of all... He is patient." --Morgan Freeman, "Seven"
Bafu
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