YTSEJAM Digest 2194
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Super Dream Theater !!
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) Re: Steve Morse and DT Cover Band
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
3) DT cover band
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
4) DT Tribute band
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
5) Extreme Touchiness
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
6) Sorry - more EVH nonsense
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
7) Malmsteen SUCKS!
by Tilman Kuendgen <kuen5002@uni-trier.de>
8) Re: DT cover band
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
9) Women, Men, and the jokes we tell
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
10) Re: DT Covers
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
11) Re: EVH/DLR -- LONG -- NDTC
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
12) Re: New CD (fwd)
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
13) Re: one nite of dt
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:15:11 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Super Dream Theater !!
Message-ID: <32DEC48F.5FEF@caribe.net>
Cliff_Totten@discovery.com wrote:
>
> Cliff Totten
> 01/16/97 06:04 PM
>
> Super Dream Theater:
>
> JP: Lead Guitar
> MP: Drums
> Stuart Ham: Bass
> MIDNIGHT: Lead Vocals ( where is he anyway? )
> Tony Mcalpine: Keyboards
> London Philharmonic Orchestra: String section
> Karen Briggs: Lead violin
> Hans Zimmer: Conductor
> oh yeah, JL, Ray Alder, Geoff Tate, Rob Halford, Micheal Kiske:
> Backing Chior
>
> Wow, I would give my left testicle to see that show !!!!
id give both.. hehe :) This post brought up exactly something that had
been itching in my mind for a long time.. how a dt sound would sound
like adding a full orchestra... this is something they should seriously
consider.. doing an epic song w/ a full orchestra..
--
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:50:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Steve Morse and DT Cover Band
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970116185058.28a7ec5e@access.mountain.net>
At 07:23 AM 1/16/97 -0800, Jonathan Case wrote:
>Is the HTW only guitar, or does he have a supporting band?
It's a mix. In the notes Steve calls it his first true solo albums (the
previous ones were all The Steve Morse Band), and there are a couple of
tracks (the tapes in the car right now, so I can't say which ones) where
Steve does it all, guitars and keys, others with a few selected musicians,
and one or two with a full band (Steve-gtr, Jerry Peek-bs, Rod
Morgenstein-dr, T Lavitz-key; I think). So there's an interesting mix.
>When I sampled HTW, I thought it was quite slow and not
>representative of Steve Morse's true style, but I may be wrong......
There is a lot of acoustic stuff, and some tunes are very melodic and
flowing, not fast at all (not that you can't be melodic AND fast, tho!).
The first track is like that, so if that's all you heard, it's not really
representive of the whole album, I think.
Jonathan Byrne, 1L
West Virginia University College of Law
rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC)
NEW WEBPAGE! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm
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"Why not climb a hill with someone who hates you,
Why not hate someone who climbs a hill with you?"
-"Why Not?", Gentle Giant
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:55:31 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT cover band
Message-ID: <199701162352.RAA09980@Walden.MO.NET>
Alright, I've read the posts, and I haven't done much thinking about
this, so forgive me if anyone thinks my list is lame, or don't. I
don't care HAHAHAHA!!!!! Well, here it is:
vox: Fleming McWilliams (of Fleming & John. A female with a killer
voice that can easily hit the high notes and pull off some good,
passionate wails :).
keys: gotta go with Kevin Moore here.
drums: Ted Kirkpatrick (of Tourniquet)
bass: Claypool would be interesting (would add sort of a quirkiness
:). Also Victor Wooten. Stu Hamm would rock, too.
guitars: Hmm, tough one. Vai would be good, maybe. Hey, what about
RipZero? :)
Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:06:16 -0800
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Tribute band
Message-ID: <32DEECA8.14BC@dreamt.org>
What? DND is posting about a thread! Holy shit! Never would've seen that
coming!
Anyway, I think this should be the lineup
Drums: Carter Beauford
Bass: Les Claypool (There's an interesting choice! Wonder how it would
sound...)
Keys: Billy Joel (!)
Vocals:Chris Cornell
Guitar: Tom Morello (Say what you want about him, the man has a gift!)
Fuck the DT Trib band, I wanna see this band get together and jam! That
would be killer!
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:16:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Extreme Touchiness
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970116191101.2680A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Since everyone and their sister (?) brother (?) is wining about
everything and all of everything's relations, I thought I'd wine, too.
God, I hate that girl who sits at my table all the time, too close, and
talks and picks lint off my pants. What the fuck is that? Also, I hate
Bill Gates for being rich. In fact, I hate all rich people. I hate
politicians. I could run the world better. I hate my family for not
bringing me up a more wonderful human than I am. In fact, I hate the
world. I'm gonna go live on the top of the mountain near my school.
I'll eat rodents and drink snow. Anything that comes within five feet and
tries to tell me something will be shot. Even though masterbation will
grow old, I don't want to sleep with someone if it means I have to get to
know what they think or absorb some of their influence. There. Well,
maybe I'll jst sleep instead... or something... Mountains are awfully
cold this time of year.
Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: 16 Jan 97 15:24:48 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sorry - more EVH nonsense
Message-ID: <199701170047.QAA22003@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
>Then they turn around and boot
>Sammy for two reasons: 1) they did not like a line in a ballad that was
>supposed to be on the Twister soundtrack, 2) the manager said that
>Sammy's stage show resembled that of a B-music star.
Nope. First off, the song's not a ballad. And, do you really think a singer
would get kicked out of ANY band for one lyrical line? don't be stupid.. and
then: "the manager said that..." You've got to be kidding me.. Your
information is way, way off.
>Because of his hip, Eddie just stood around
so Eddie sucks because his hip is fucked up and he couldn't jump around like
usual?..
>We alll started prepping for the tour, trying to
imagine the setlists, the stadiums they'd fill. Bands don't make public
appearances if they don't plan on sticking around for a while, right?
Why were you "Prepping?" No one said anything about a tour. That's your
problem, not theirs.. I think they would have been greedy to tour, without an
album, just to show off Dave again. They didn't. Also, they were introduced
as 3/4 of Van Halen at the award show. no one EVER said Dave was permanent.
Need I repeat that? No one EVER said Dave was permanent. Even Dave said he
wasn't permanent, afterwards, on Howard Stern..
>bask in some glory. Can anyone blame him? (DLR)
For being an egotistical idiot who needs public adulation to affirm his ego?
yup!
>He did not boot people out because they were impossible to deal
with artistically
Really? Got a source on that? PLEASE, PLEASE inform me of the truth...
getting tired of this,
-Neil.
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 01:54:24 +0100
From: Tilman Kuendgen <kuen5002@uni-trier.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: vanzin@dks.com.br
Subject: Malmsteen SUCKS!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970117005424.00728b88@urt-stud.uni-trier.de>
>YT>Mark Boals sang some songs on the last Yngwie Malmsteen=B4s CD
>YT>(Inspiration)
>YT>An excellent album for Dream Theater=B4s fans... I think Malmsteen has=
the
>YT>same
>YT>musical taste than Petrucci. Malmsteen plays " In The Dead Of Night",
>YT> " Gates Of Babylon", "Carry On Wayward Son" and others...
>
> Hmmm... Same taste, not same way of playing. I heard his version
>of "Carry on Wayward Son" in his show here. I love that song, but didn't
>like Malmsteen's version pretty mcuh, mainly because he shreds the
>guitar all the time. He just CAN'T (don't want to?) make a slower solo,=
more
>melodic, even when the song asks one, like CoWS. (hey! COWS! cool! :) ).
Perhaps he could do it (I think he could not do it well), but in fact he=
doesn't
do it. All these annoying fast solos over and over again. I don't consider=
him
as a good musician. Of course, he's fast, very fast, but this doesn't make=
him
a good musician. It's the FEELING for the music what counts! And that's the
reason
why I consider John Petrucci as a very good guitarist: He has the technical
knowledge,
can play very fast AND he has the feeling for melodies, tempi, chords etc.
AND he has new, surprising ideas. That's what I ask from a good musician.
That reminds me of good sex:
If you can do it fast, that's nice (for a while), but in fact it's the
feeling for the
sex what counts. (And when love is involved, it's perfect, right?) ;-)
Just my thoughts...
Tilman.
=20
P.S.: Anyone know where to get a copy of the Y Kant Tori Read Bootleg? Is it
recommended?
name tilman kuendgen =20
address kuen5002@uni-trier.de =20
music tape traders feel free to contact me =20
progressivespacerockmetaljazzfusiontechnoambientdubtrance =20
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:55:06 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT cover band
Message-ID: <32DEDBFA.2B0E@caribe.net>
Dale R. Newberry wrote:
> drums: Ted Kirkpatrick (of Tourniquet)
Coool! ...This guys is really good.. I have one of their cd's I forgot
the name..and theres a really cool song..kinda proggy called Viento
borrasco or something like that..and the the drummer takes a solo and he
does the little thing porn-noy :) does with the double bass and the
latin thingies at the same time (same thing he does on W-man's By tor's
3rd drum solo bit) Really cool
--
Seize the day, I heard him say :
"Life will not always be this way,
Look around...hear the sounds...
Cherish your life,while you're still around... "
<Dream Theater: A Change Of Seasons>
WoWoW! WoWoW! WoWoW! -Mike Portnoy
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net
mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:13:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Women, Men, and the jokes we tell
Message-ID: <199701170113.UAA18150@acmex.gatech.edu>
I don't want to belabor this whole NDTC thread, but I did want to express
my opinion that I love humor as much as anyone, and I personally had no
aversion to the Women's and Men's lists that were posted. I thought they
were kind of funny. What bothers me is that a lot of people are so quick
to jump down someone's throat when they say that they are offended, as if
the fact that it was a joke means they have no right to be hurt. That's
pure bullshit. I believe that there is a rather fine line between so
called "safe" humor and "offensive" humor. What one person thinks is
absolutely hilarious, might cause another to cry. We can't walk around on
eggshells, afraid to say anything that might hurt someone, because there
is very little that you can say that won't upset anybody, and honestly,
without jokes, this world of ours would pretty much suck. On the other
hand, and this is the whole point of what I'm saying, when someone tells
us that a joke we made hurt them, do we really need to defend ourselves by
attacking their right to be hurt?
I don't want to rant here, but think about it.
Eric
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:14:55 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Covers
Message-ID: <199701170125.SAA00441@cyberhighway.net>
> Well, here's my opinion..
> Bass- Eddie Rockenfield
When'd Scott and Eddie have a kid? :)
OK, here's my picks. Love 'em or leave 'em.
Vox - Bruce Dickinson
Guitars - Steve Vai and Marty Friedman
Keys: Chris Ingles (Shadow Gallery)
Bass: Billy Sheehan
Drums: Scott Rockenfield
I will alternate for any above position should any of the above
members lose a hand or tonsil by my blade... I didn't mean to do
it... honestly... >) I kinda suck at drums, though,,,
Laterz!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: 16 Jan 97 15:00:56 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: EVH/DLR -- LONG -- NDTC
Message-ID: <199701170132.RAA05783@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
>They may just find (in saying THEY I
refer to EVH and spouse) the attention fun.
yeah, everybody loves bad press and angry people making all sorts of comments
about them. Hmm, just like you..
>How do YOU gauge who's informed and who isn't? How do you have any
>idea what other information we might have?
I consider someone uninformed when they say Eddie Van Halen made a certain
comment (like "DLR is permanently in the band") when he didn't.
I guarantee that no one on this list who is not on the VH list and doesn't
have a CLOSE inside source has more info than I do. Just from being on the VH
list, which incidentally gets about 5 times the volume of mail that the jam
does. Every possible spin on the matter has been discussed ad nauseum, and
every "alleged" or even "suspected" comment by each player in the drama has
been discussed, ripped apart, etc. Scotty Ross, VH's tour manager is on the
list. Eddie's WIFE is on the list. And, for a different perspective, an
acquaintance of DLR was posting some of Dave's opionions and feelings to the
list.
>And what veil of ignorance
>causes you to believe that a VH Mailing List would be an unbiased forum for
>discussion? That is an area where you'll find mainly VH support.
The VH list is hardly a forum of unquestioning VH support. There are MANY
dissenters (Dave or Sammy fans, or both) on that list who never fail to point
out the shortcomings of EVH and company. There is even a web page created by
VH list members whose focus is to organize a BOYCOTT of the band. I consider
YOU, sir, to be uninformed on this matter. You just made that apparent.
>Van Halen needs the image they have, or the albums wouldn't
sell.
What image? They play 80s rock in the 90s! Kids don't even know who they
are! And 2/3 of their fans are now pissed at them, yet they'll sell shitloads
of albums as soon as they release one (you'll see). Also, I'm sure Eddie
would like to sell lots of albums but he has stated repeatedly that he is not
aiming to please anybody (refer to Gary Cherone as lead singer). He makes
music for himself, not for you or anybody else. That is the way it should be.
If others like the music, that's great.
>Eddie has always
been an attention hound
HA!!!! Eddie was so shy he had to down a sixer before he could even do an
interview... "attention hound"!! Man are you ignorant.. He made six albums
with a frontman who, probably more than anyone else in rock, did EVERYTHING HE
COULD to hog the spotlight, on and off the stage. Yup, he's a real attention
hound..
>Strange how as soon as Sammy started to put his foot down Eddie
fired his ass out the door...
"Put his foot down?" By that do you mean demand more money for the Greatest
Hits package and childishly refuse to finish singing on the "Humans Being"
track? Eddie fired Sammy? Since there is no established fact on the matter,
isn't that just YOUR OPINION? How about I quote YOU: "I just can't stand to
see a one sided argument."
>The other common theory is that Eddie's wife made the decision
because she's historically HATED DLR since she met him.
What normal human being wouldn't hate DLR? Or at least hate working with him,
which is the key issue here. The guy is also a vocal has-been. He can barely
sing these days. Listen to the two new tracks to hear him strain...
>If you've any interest in continuing it, you'll e-mail
me privately.
Make heated stabs at my post in a public forum, and then suggest that I not
defend myself in said public forum? I think not..
>Like his cocaine and alcohol addictions. Wise career
moves for himself and his band.
Nothing but a childish cheap shot. Turn up your nose at those who have made
mistakes.. You've got to be the most self-righteous person I've ever "met".
>>MUSIC." Say what you want about EVH, but there has scarcely been a musician
>>who is more purely and wholeheartedly devoted to the art of creating music.
> How you can say that just infuriates me.
How? Let's see, the man very obviously LIVES for music. I don't give two
shits about all the people you know who sweat and labor for their music!
That's great! How does that reveal anything about EVH? Early on, he had a
girlfriend. She broke up with him saying: you know, you love your guitar more
than you love me.. He said: you know, you're right! I could go on, but
you've got to be an idiot not to respect that man's love for, and devotion to,
music.
>There are scarcely any musicians out there with the money, power and
>promotion that EVH possesses, but in a 20 mile radius of my home there are
>probably 20-30 musicians that put more effort and soul into music.
Who cares about money, power, promotion?.. you, apparently.. Let me hear the
music of the 20-30 musicians you mention.. I'd be interested. Everything I've
ever heard from Eddie's guitar drips emotion, and soul. Let the music speak,
as I said in my first post.
> He's soaking the angle that works for
the cash.
Whatever. You're the most insanely negative, biased person I've ever had the
misfortune to argue with.
>Where's the last solo he did that was anything NEAR what he used
to do back with DLR?
"Me Wise Magic". Also, do you judge music by the guitar solo? Where's your
self-righteous open-mindedness now? You seem to flip-flop your values so that
you can most vehemently oppose whatever has been said most recently. It's
easy to play devil's advocate, huh?..
>VH's music smacks of a lot of things. Selling out might fit in there.
Again, whatever.. Eddie is being bashed for making a public statement like:
"I will continue to make music that pleases me, and hopefully fans will like
it. I will not, against my will, work with Dave just to please certain fans,
etc..." Sure sounds like selling out to me..
>VH OWES me a quality piece of merchandise.
All VH OWES you right now is a smack upside the head. Buy their album or
don't - nobody owes anybody anything..
>(though you may just hear some repetetive cheesy music)
"cheesy" -- Hmm, don't lots of ignorant people use that word to describe DT's
music? Or JLB's singing? Could you be more specific, more descriptive..
You've just lowered yourself to that level.
>You can replace a bassist like
Michael Anthony. He doesn't have a memorable signature sound.
That wasn't the point. He's like the third VH brother. See what happens when
you work with the band without copping an attitude? Those guys are fucking
TIGHT, on a human level. I guess you'll never understand that.
>because with bands like VH, you're not going to see many
bad reviews
Interesting comment, seeing as you admitted that their music is not currently
"in." So how do you explain the good reviews...?
>longtime VH fans (myself included) are sick of the soap opera.
The ONLY thing that I agree with you about. However, where do you assign
blame? Is it the band's fault that they get slagged by DLR, then by Sammy,
and have to defend themselves? Now that most of it's over, what would you
expect respectable people to do? How about get their asses into the studio
and speak through their music. And what is VH doing: read the previous
sentence..
Let's see, how do YOU like it: Please direct your response to this, should
you see fit to make one, to private email.
My apologies to the non-VH fans on the jam..
-Neil.
/===============================================================\
| Neil Evans Phone: 415.506.3503 |
| Server Technologies Division Fax: 415.506.7370 |
| Oracle Corporation email: nevans@us.oracle.com |
\===============================================================/
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:36:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New CD (fwd)
Message-ID: <199701170136.UAA49197@pilot11.cl.msu.edu>
Here's what Braindance has to say about the new CD...
Forwarded message:
> From braindance@earthlink.net Thu Jan 16 18:54:07 1997
> Message-ID: <32DE7962.6358@earthlink.net>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:54:26 +0000
> From: Double Edge Productions <braindance@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: braindance@earthlink.net
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; 68K)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Andrew Keith Garinger <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
> Subject: Re: New CD
> References: <199701151941.OAA69896@pilot16.cl.msu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Unfortunately for all those who would like Braindance to have an album
> entitled "Can of Worms", this is rumor is undeniably false. The band
> is currently in pre-production for the next CD, and they're hoping for
> a late '97 release. Thanks for your interest. Feel free to e-mail with
> any more questions.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Alex Bunk
> Double Edge Productions
>
--
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 18:34:35 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: one nite of dt
Message-ID: <199701170144.SAA03272@cyberhighway.net>
> six o'clock on a christmas MOOOOOOOOOrning
> the silent cow
> cudbag
> caught in some mud.
Heya Rip, don't forget the classics, man!
Pull my Udder
An Udder Day
Udder a Glass Moo
Take the Bovine
Lifting Lactate off the Cream
Jeez, I'm bored...
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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