YTSEJAM Digest 2197
Today's Topics:
1) Apocalypse, CD Europe
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2195
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) Special Offer: CD for $2!
by "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com>
4) Ytse Line Up
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Cover band
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
6)
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
7) All Dream Theater Band
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
8) Dream T Cover band, Steve Morse, etc.
by Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
9) Thanks for Tori
by Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
10) S.Morse and Cover band
by smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2189
by smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
12) Re: Live Maiden
by "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
13) animals/EVH/DLR/'Tage/'Tooch <--- progressive subject list
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
14) Tellus -- Tellus -- Tellus
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
15) DT cover band...
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
16) WTB: Dweezil Zappa "Confessions"
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:44:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Apocalypse, CD Europe
Message-ID: <199701171644.LAA01114@newman.cris.com>
Mr. Brian Henderson asked,
>Also, I'm pretty sure I've heard good mention of Apocalypse here on the
>'Jam. I sent out a money-order to them several weeks ago, but nothing's
>arrived yet. I have E-mailed 'em a few times since then, each time met
>with no response. Anybody have any idea whether the guy who does it is on
>vacation? Do they usually take a long time to deliver an order? Isn't
>mail answered on a regular basis?...
Ah, Apocalypse. This is something I too have wondered, and I'll explain why.
I first ordered from them this past September. I got two DT singles, and
before I ordered I sent a few emails with questions about the discs and
prices and all that sort of thing. Every email was answered promptly and
courteously. I sent a personal check (at the time they weren't equipped to
accept credit cards), and within two weeks I got my order. So I was happy
and I spread the word that they were cool to deal with. I suspect some other
Jammers ordered those singles not long after my praise.
Then in November, I was reading alt.music.bootlegs, and someone was bitching
about having dealt with Mike (the Apocalypse guy) in a trade, and the guy
never held up his end of the deal, and never returned his email. I don't
know if the posts about this debacle were bullshit or not, but I've been
wondering ever since. I even emailed Mike to let him know he was being
slammed on the usenet and that I had faith in his service, in case he wanted
to defend himself and the Apocalypse name. He never wrote back saying
"thanks for the tip", nor did he ever appear on the usenet.
So I don't know what his deal is anymore. I'd give him more time, in case he
runs a setup like that of CD Europe, in which they don't carry any stock,
and order things from their "suppliers" when an order comes in. This can
make the wait for product very long. If after 2 or 3 months you still
receive nothing, then I'd start to worry. Maybe in the meantime you could
post to alt.music.bootlegs (even though Apocalypse does not sell boots) and
ask if anyone has had any trouble with them lately.
And as for CD Europe, I slammed them about a month ago, but it was because
they refused to cancel my order when I requested it. After corresponding
with them about this issue, I found out that their automated email update
system mistakenly told me an item I ordered was out of stock (from their
supplier), but in actuality it was in the process of being shipped. And
since it was in shipment, it was too late to cancel. I simply lost my head a
bit prematurely. I can say, though, that they did get me what I ordered,
although it took months. They specialize in hard-to-find items, which is
what I ordered. The bottom line is that I'd order from them again if I could
not find something of interest anyplace else. Sorry if I caused any trouble
from my previous bad press.
Best wishes,
-Rick Audet
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:50:59 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2195
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970117165059.00729b00@enteract.com>
>FUCK OFF ALREADY WITH THE USENET-QUALITY VH "DISCUSSION"
In case anyone else didn't hear it, I'll repost that timely advice.
I'm IN the agrument and I was man enough (uh oh... should I say "person
enough?") to drop it from the jam. Do like I do and you'll be a sexist
texus lexus pig. :)
>(Chris is half-Hawaiian, half-Bohemian, and half-Venusian, you know)
No... I subscribe to the melting pot ideology. I'm an American.
Like Hulk Hulgan.
>People "like" me? And what exactly "am" I? Are you STEREOTYPING, YOU
>FACIST SEXIST SOMNABULIST PIPPENWITHTHEASSIST SHOPPINGLIST PIG?!?!?!
I'd argue, but I forgot what somnabulist means. Sounds like it's a
fun word to say in a conversation. "Hi mom. What's for dinner?"
"SOMNABULIST!"
>So... Who's Fernando Sor?
Do your homework. He wrote many of the basic etudes you should be
practicing to develope your classical technique.
>Hey, my company ain't like the other guys. We install it ONCE. And ONLY
>ONCE. Plus, unlike Data's emotion-chip, you can't turn it off. Ever.
Get it off me!!! KILL THE POWER! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY LONGER!!!!
>Rag? "RAG?" She's making fun of Middle-Easterners! I'll have you know that
>my ancestors were from the Caucas Mountains! And that makes me Asian!
>CAUC-Asian!! DAAAAAMN YOOOUUUU...uh...TOOOO HEEELLLLLLL!!!
Really? I didn't know I was Asian too. Does that mean i can voyage
back to my homeland and join a martial arts clan and come back to kick butt
on motion picture TV?
>That settles it, you're not my
>friend anymore, get these Gorilla amps outta my house. NOW.
How DARE you assume I own any Gorilla amps! (But those are the ones
that tend to be left at peoples' houses after a jam.... go figure... I had
about 3 of them left at my house one day).
>And who do androgyns make fun of? Huh? WHO??? Oh, I forgot, they aren't
>"real" people, are they? So I guess they just don't get to make fun of
>ANYONE, do they?? YOUR HEAD ON A SPEAR, PTACEK!! JUSTLIKETHELORDOFTHE
>FLLLIIIIIEEEEES!!!
Simple. Androgyns make fun of gerbils and Neil Evans.
Take Care Ytsebolas!
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:28:21 +0000
From: "DREG Records" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Special Offer: CD for $2!
Message-ID: <1358618631-2531490@hutman.com>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 11:32:07 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytse Line Up
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970117173207.0076639c@enteract.com>
>Chris--
>
>You forgot papally infallible. roflmao...
Hehehehe No doubt. :) Can I call myself the YtsePope?
Anyway, here's my DT cover lineup. No electric instruments will be allowed
in any shape or form. In fact, the room will not fit more than 40 people
and there won't even be mixers or microphones. All light will come from a
fireplace and candles. :)
Guitars: Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin and Michael Hedges.
This mix would allow for the frightening dynamics needed to play
together without mics. Hedges would do some amazing things to the
arrangements, McLaughlin would use his unnatural technique to cover the
spots (Tapping, legato, etc) that Al wouldn't do, but using a pick, because
he can pull it off, I bet. Al would be the rhythmic musical god that he is,
and take care of all the extra Shred.
Bass: I think because he might get really irritated by me throwing him into
this position, we'll make Sean Malone play stand up. I bet he'd do a
fantastic job.
Drums: Tito Fuente and Terry Bozzio... BUT, they have to play percussion
kits... no full drum kits... these guys have to play standing up at my show.
:)
Vocals: Tori Amos and Sting.
Keys: There would be no need... but perhaps we'd let the Kronos Quartet come
in to play strings. :)
Too bad there are no outlets in this place... there probably won't
be a bootleg available ever! Buy your tickets now. :)
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 97 11:57:45 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cover band
Message-ID: <32dfb5cc7113098@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Here goes....
Rhythm guitar - Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Lead guitar - Marty Friedman
Acoustic guitar - Al Stewart
Drums - Bill Ward (Sabbath)
Bass - Steve Harris
Keyboard - Stevie Wonder
Vocals - Bono
hmmmm.......
-Brian
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"There must be a third and last dance, this one will last forever...
The third is love, love is the dance of eternity." - Dream Theater
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:19:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199701171819.NAA24998@cliff.cris.com>
Partha wrote,
>But anyway......here's my semi-useful question: Is the iron maiden "Live
>After Death" album taken from the same source as the video? Becuz I was
>totally digging the video (Killer version of Powerslave) and I'd sorta
>shied away from live IM after buying and not really liking A Real Live One
I believe so. That show was recorded from 4 nights at the Long Beach Arena,
California. The LP, however is longer because side 4 is extra stuff recorded
over 4 nights at the Hammersmith Odeon, England. Mention of that album puts
me in nostalgia mode, because that's what got me into IM, and I bought the
LP when it was first released. Further, that's the record that I attempted
to emulate when I first picked up the guitar. I really got my money's worth
out of that Gorilla amp and Rat distortion pedal. Even my guitar looks like
one of Dave Murray's from that tour...black strat, white pickguard, Floyd
Rose trem, etc. That album inspired me to keep playing. I have since
discontinued practice. Sigh.
+++++++++++++++++
Satu wrote,
>Since we've had the discussion here about bands with the x
>in it, here's something else to think about:
>SCHIZOPHRENIA-MANIA !!
And everybody's favorite... "Schizophrenia" by Mr. Petrucci, from the Guitar
Player Spotlight flexi-disk, also seen on InstruMental I, and a bonus track
on Uncovered.
Have a day,
-Rick Audet
"I hope to impress upon you that what we're reviewing is fundamentally and
critically important, and utterly useless."
-Dr. Fred Taylor, EEL 6702, Digital Filtering
University of Florida
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:30:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: All Dream Theater Band
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970117132736.9902A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
Vocals: Sebastian Bach
Guitars: Thomas McRocklin
Bass: Billy Sheehan
Drums: Bobby Blotzer
Keyboards: Jens Johannson
OR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vocals: Tony Harnell
Guitars: George Lynch
Bass: Stu Hamm
Drum: Scott Rockenfield
Keyboards: Kev Moore
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:02:26 -0600
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream T Cover band, Steve Morse, etc.
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=GE%l=AMERIDATA/ADNC/0010578A@msb01ncadctmsge.ameridata.com>
On Steve Morse & *High Tension Wires*-although SM calls it his *first
actual solo album*, most of the other musicians are Dregs/ex-Dregs anyway.
It's a great CD. I've had it since it first came out in 1989. I'm listening
to it as I key in my JAM.
On the Dream T Cover band-although I'm still contemplating my choices, I've
noticed that NOONE (that I can recall) has put down EVH for guitar. Do I
notice a trend....? As a fellow Y'Jammer noted: I hope EVH doesn't
abuse/ruin Gary Cherone!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
....."Dweezil Zappa's Confession": This CD is produced by Nuno Bettencourt
and it's full of great guitar and vocal harmony. There is many singer on
this album (Nuno, Dweezil, Ahmet Zappa, Moon Zappa, Donny Osmond). Overall,
it's a great CD.
Also has guests Gary Cherone & Pat Badger (ex-Treme) on back vox and Zakk
Wylde (ex-OZ) on the axe. Donny Osmond covers a Bee Gee's tune. One tune
*written* while underwater in a swimming pool in Fresno, CA (I be Fresno)!!
Interested parties may also note this album came out about the same time
as ex-Treme's *Porno...* came out, on which DZ did a guest appearance.
Reciprocation?
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:16:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thanks for Tori
Message-ID: <199701171916.OAA22505@acmex.gatech.edu>
Just wanted to throw out a thank you to everyone who has praised Tori. I
finally, after listening to your recommendations for a couple years,
picked up Little Earthquakes yesterday. LOVE IT. Something I should have
done a long time ago.....
Eric
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:25:47 -0600
From: smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: S.Morse and Cover band
Message-ID: <199701171925.NAA25446@nic.data.net.mx>
hi:
First off all 1996 was a great year for Steve Morse, he rule in deep Purple
"Purpendicular", and he also made "STRESS FEST", IMHO his best CD. You can
get the SF transcription the July(1996) issue of Guitar Mag. if you want to
impress someone playing the guitar, this is the song you need to play=A1=A1=
=A1
The band:
Guitar: Steve Vai ....We need a seven string god.
Keys: John Paul Jones(led Zep).....Great musician, he has no job=A1
Bass: Mike Inez...ex Ozzy Bassist (No more tears)
Drums: Scott Rockenfield, or N. Peart
Vocals: Sammy Hagar.....some day he will stand on the top of the world.
see you
Omar Rodriguez
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:25:45 -0600
From: smilodon@data.net.mx (Raul Rodriguez)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2189
Message-ID: <199701171925.NAA25441@nic.data.net.mx>
> Al Di Meola (hehe,does he play electric?, the only thing i have from
>him is Guitar Trio) Guitars
OH YEAH. He plays anything with strings, very fast=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1
See you=20
Omar Rodriguez
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 13:33:28 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Live Maiden
Message-ID: <199701171931.NAA03840@Walden.MO.NET>
Maiden's Live After Death album is taken from the same basic source
on a different night at the same place as the video (most overtly
noticeable thing is that Dickinson says some different stuff before
"Rime..." :). Also, A Real Live One (or "...Dead One") are NOT good
representations of Maden live (sound quality is not the best).
As far as some "different" musicians to cover DT, let's see
drums (sorta) - Future Man from The FLecktones
bass/vox - Les Claypool
keys/vox - Tori Amos
guitars - The Edge/Prince
That's all I can think of off the top of my head :). later.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 19:37:14 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: YtsAJoke <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: animals/EVH/DLR/'Tage/'Tooch <--- progressive subject list
Message-ID: <32DFD4EA.7D11@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> a whole different animal (I hope I didn't offend any animals
> on the list.)
Well, speaking as a lower-order, non-human primate, I'd just like to say
that I'm offensive, uh, er, offensed :)
/////////////////////////
> EEEEEKKK, wonder how long it will be before EVH tires of Mr. Cherone
> and boots him?
I though EVH didn't approve of boots. Wait, oops, that's another
guitarist. :)
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>>bask in some glory. Can anyone blame him? (DLR)
> For being an egotistical idiot who needs public adulation to affirm
> his ego?
> yup!
Thankfully, life goes on without him!
The sooner Gary starts performing, the better.
/////////////////////////
I finally got over to http://www.winternet.com/~savaweb/savatage.html
and sucked down the audio samples. So far, Edge of Thorns and Shotgun
Innocence get thumbs up. I could swear I've heard this somewhere,
especially the chorus to Shotgun. Have they done anything for movies?
> From: Tilman Kuendgen <kuen5002@uni-trier.de>
> why I consider John Petrucci as a very good guitarist: He has the
> technical knowledge, can play very fast AND he has the feeling for
> melodies, tempi, chords etc. AND he has new, surprising ideas.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You hit the nail on the head, for me! That's what keeps me listening.
It's not about just taking something from 20 years ago and repackaging
it.
I see too much of the new stuff (grunge,alt,etc.) that way. Yeah, it's
got a little different sound hook to it, but once you carve away the top
layer, there's just not much there.
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:49:04 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tellus -- Tellus -- Tellus
Message-ID: <v01520d01af0540f966c2@[207.90.117.82]>
Hey all, if you like good music with good lyrics, check out Tellus!!!
Good music recommendation, seeing as we're going to be waiting a while for
some new Dream Theater...sigh...
Tellus: They're not mainstream, they're not alternative, they're not
metal, they're not strictly progressive...but they meld many different
styles together. It's been getting great rotation in my car discman
lately.
They're a Texas 3-piece band (with female vocals) with one album "Stand By"
produced by Alan Doss (of the Galactic Cowboys). FYI.
http://www.onramp.net/tellus/
http://www.onramp.net/tellus/
http://www.onramp.net/tellus/
No, I do not get paid for saying this. I just happen to have stumbled
across a CD of their for a great price (from their page), and I now love it
dearly!!! Maybe you can find something in their style that you like as
well...
Later all,
Dan
---+ +---
Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu
"Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page"
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:50:05 -0500 (EST)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT cover band...
Message-ID: <199701171950.OAA23850@osfn.org>
My ideal DT cover band would be...
vocals: Charlie Dominici
guitar: Slash
keyboard: Elton John
bass: Roger Waters
-- Friendly fire in hostile waters...------------------------------
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:51:40 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: WTB: Dweezil Zappa "Confessions" Message-ID: <v01520d02af054239b1fe@[207.90.117.82]>
I heard about Dweezil Zappa's "Confessions" a long time ago on the Extreme ML. I got some of the songs on a dub tape (*thanks, Clive)...
But, does anybody out there know where I can get a copy? I really want a CD copy of this stuff. If you see it (used, new, etc) let me know. I'm definitely willing to pay for shipping and whatever.
Thanks, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm@erinet.com / s1133627@cedarville.edu "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Page" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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