YTSEJAM Digest 2210
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Daffy-nitions
by "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
2) Jason Becker
by LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
3) Labrie bashing thread
by Steve Godbout <sgodbout@microtec.net>
4) ARTENSION !
by Kris Claerhout <100522.625@compuserve.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2209
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
6) Re: tellus
by Michael Kohne <mhkohne@discordia.org>
7) Jon Finn
by Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
8) _Acoustic Dreams_ Tracks
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2209
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
10) DT Cover band
by al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
11) RATT unplugged, Portnoy bands
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
12) Trading
by Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
13) Re: Some Albom Reviews.
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
14) New album recording, etc...
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
15) Another Uncovered
by "The Baron" <szucseue@flyernet.udayton.edu>
16) RE: more DT impersonation bands
by "Mark Hatch-Miller" <ace@onfire.net>
17) RE: Cacaphoney
by "Mark Hatch-Miller" <ace@onfire.net>
18) personal gratification/spirituality of music
by shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
19) Re: DTC: Pissed Off!
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:11:13 -0500
From: "Robert Quezada" <rquezada@monmouth.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Daffy-nitions
Message-ID: <199701202312.SAA07217@shell.monmouth.com>
> From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: Daffy-nitions
> Date: Monday, January 20, 1997 17:33
>
> Faggot: isn't that something you stick in your mouth & suck???
>
> Well... isn't faggot a slang term (Anglish) for cigarette???
>
> Back to your regular scheduled DT station.
Well...... I don't think the original person was referring to Kirk as a
cigarette. Do you?
:)
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:28:08 -0500 (EST)
From: LaSorsa/Matthews <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jason Becker
Message-ID: <199701202328.SAA23181@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Hello all! All during my winter break I've tried to buy some of Jason's cd's.
Unfortunately I can't find ANYTHING. I've been to circuit city,
Strawberries, Record Town, everywhere (just about). Anyways, can anyone
enlighten me on where to locate these cd's. Thanks a lot.
Tony
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:34:11 -0500
From: Steve Godbout <sgodbout@microtec.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Labrie bashing thread
Message-ID: <32E400F3.47AE@microtec.net>
Hi all!
I am disapointed to see that with my first post to this jam,
I have managed to play on a sensitive issue. One wich was not really
intended. I feel I might have to make a few clarifications here...
I for one have never had the great opportunity to see a live
performance from DT. That will be remedied as soon as the next tour
starts. So, my only base for judging the live performance of this band,
wich I consider to be the absolute best I've ever heard, are the
recorded shows available on either official "live" releases of the band
or bootlegs. Between these two means, I observed a discrepancy that
raised a question in my mind, question that I thought worth asking on
the jam. It seemed to me that James' signing was so much better on
"official" live albums that these albums MIGHT have been overdubbed.
THAT was my simple question; "Has there been any know overdubs on LATM
and ACOS?" (c.f. jam #2203).
As it turns out, there are reasons other than overdubbing wich
can explain the differences I heard. Many jammers have replied to me
both by private E-Mail and on the jams with their their opinions on
this and one thing is clear; Labrie's studio performances are
outstanding. He has a really great voice and to sing the way he does
must be really hard physically. I have also had replies telling me of
shows in wich he sang to perfection. So, one might not have to expect
perfect signing at every show. My problem is I do not own any bootleg on
wich he has sang to my expectations. However, that does not prevent me
from truly appreciating the band and their signer. I am not a signer nor
do I pretend I could do better but one does not have to be a musician to
appreciate, and have an opinion on, music.
I had no reason to go on a Labrie bashing spree and that is not what I
did. Not at all. In fact, I seem to remember such a thread a year or so
ago, arguing of Dominici's and Labrie's qualties as signers.
To set the record straight on my opinions on this matter, I will
say that I think that Labrie's singing on studio albums is absolutely
exquisite. I have yet to hear a truly good live performance but I now
know that they exist (thanks to the jam). I am still in the dark as
to wether or not there was overdubbing on LATM and ACOS and that
question might stay forever unanswered but I still felt it worth asking.
SO, that's that. The question was about overdubing and NOT
about Labrie's signing abilities. Hope nobody was overly and unduely
offended....
Take care,
Steve
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:43:43 -0500
From: Kris Claerhout <100522.625@compuserve.com>
To: List Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ARTENSION !
Message-ID: <199701201843_MC1-F51-7681@compuserve.com>
Anyone heard the Artension album?
IT's GREAT
Kris
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:07:13 -0500 (EST)
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2209
Message-ID: <199701210007.TAA02541@zork.tiac.net>
>
>Can anyone send me some information about John Finn? Does he have a CD out?
>Is his band called The John Finn Group? I remember he opened for DT at the
>start of the Awake tour (at Berklee) but I arrived late from New Hampshire and
>missed the opener.
>
>I've heard he is a monster guitarist (and I've read his columns in one of the
>guitar mags) and would appreciate any info on the man..
Hey there,
Jon Finn is the man! No H in his name by the way :) His group (Jon Finn
Group) has one cd called, "Don't Look So Serious" on Legato records. It's
pretty easy to find at most big stores. He's truly a teacher when it comes
to guitar. He can play any style and emulate any player. He's almost got too
many chops. His group mixes all types of music in a rock context, much like
DT except all instrumental. Tons of chops, however there's also a good
humorous aspect and lots of funky stuff to keep things fresh and down to
earth. All members of the band are professors at Berklee which is a definite
bonus. ANYBODY who is a DT fan should pick up this cd. Tons of variety and
DT-ish chops along with great melodic content. Even if you don't like
instrumental stuff, get it.
adam
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:15:03 -0600
From: Michael Kohne <mhkohne@discordia.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: tellus
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970120191351.005c6c60@techno.discordia.org>
At 12:29 PM 1/17/97 -0800, times_100_ wrote:
>yeah, tellus is a great band, they are friends of mine here in dallas.
>they used to not particularly like dream theater, but i opened their
>eyes. :) they are huge king's x, rush, and galactic cowboys fans.
[snip]
>if you can find the cd locally in dallas, buy it. if not, order it
>from the web page. he same guy that did the cover art for the first
>4 or so king's x albums did their cover art. it is really cool. they
>are a christian band, so you have to deal with that.
You know, the only time I have problems with christian bands is when they
make shoving a message down your throat more important than making good
music. Heck, there have been cases where I heard stuff, loved it and later
found out it was a christian band - like the Galactic cowboys. (I found
them on a christian band list at http://www.m8.com/christian/). No matter
what their religious views, being a great musician is what is important for
the music I listen to.
Thoughts from other jammers?
Michael Kohne
mhkohne@discordia.org
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:10:38 -0500
From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jon Finn
Message-ID: <199701210010.TAA02951@inx>
Jon is an incredible guitarist. I caught him and his band while I
was at Berklee this summer and they blew me away! There music is very
technical and very impressive. Jon is a really cool guy as were the other
two guys in his band, they all came and talked to the crowd after the show.
I believe they have one album out and I think it is called don't look so
serious. I did not know Dream Theater played at Berklee to open the awake
tour, that must have been incredible. I had the chance to play on the BPC
stage and the place is just awesome. Hopefully I will be able to catch them
there someday. Well enogh of my ramblings...Hope this helps.
Corey
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:22:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: _Acoustic Dreams_ Tracks
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970120192339.20ef7d0e@access.mountain.net>
Could someone be kind enough to send me the track list for the _Acoustic
Dreams_ boot?
Thanks
Jonathan Byrne, 1L
West Virginia University College of Law
rael@access.mountain.net (WormWood or DrNick on IRC)
NEW WEBPAGE! http://access.mountain.net/~rael/home.htm
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"Can a song bring out the love inside us?
Can it ease our deepest fear?
Can a song change all the wrong to right?
Cand it stop a single tear?"
-Brett Kull, "Meaning and the Moment", echolyn
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:02:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2209
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970120185256.19225F-100000@enteract.com>
> From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
> Subject: Jason Becker & Steve Morse (what a combo)
> Pick this disc up immediately. You will be very glad you did. Jason is the
> eternal optimist, and this CD moves me like few others have. Beautiful,
> triumphant, powerful -- there's a point beyond which simple adjectives cease
> to have meaning. Suffice it to say that this is a great album, and it may
> move you to tears as well.
I second this. Buy it! Go to http://www.guitarists.com and BUY IT!!!
> Subject: Cacophony: Marty Friedman & Jason Becker
> I don't have Cacophony's cd _Go Off!_ and would like to hear from someone
> who might have it whether they like it and if they would recommend it.
Go Off is by far the better of the two albums. Better solos, better
songs, better rhythms and better drumming. It's a MUST HAVE. :) Of
course that's just my opinion.
> Faggot: isn't that something you stick in your mouth & suck???
>
> Well... isn't faggot a slang term (Anglish) for cigarette???
According to the Webster's Dictionary:
1. fag.ot or fag.got \'fag-*t\ n [ME fagot, fr. MF] : BUNDLE : as : a
bundle of sticks : a bundle of pieces of wrought iron to be shaped by
rolling or hammering at high temperature
2. fagot or faggot vt 1: to make a fagot of 2: to bind in a fagot
1. fag \'fag\ vb or fagged; or fag.ging [obs. fag to droop, perh. fr. fag
(fag end)] 1: to work hard : DRUDGE 2: to act as a fag : to tire by
strenuous activity : EXHAUST
2. fag n chiefly Brit 1: TOIL, DRUDGERY 2a: an English public-school boy
who acts as servant to another 2b: MENIAL, DRUDGE
3. fag n [fag end] : CIGARETTE
can we end this now? The people who brought this up did not mean "tired",
"Servant", "Bundle of kindling", "Iron", or "cigarette". It's over. Let
it die. Please.
- Chris Ptacek
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:38:16 -0600
From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Cover band
Message-ID: <9701210138.AA18987@campus.cegs.itesm.mx>
My 2 cents on the DT Cover band :
Guitar : Steve Vai
Bass : Stuart Hamm
KEYBOARDS : YANNI (surprised nobody had mentioned him)
Drums : Neil Peart
Voice : Sebastian Bach
Marcelo Martinelli
Monterrey , Mexico
-It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living-
---John Petrucci---
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:58:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RATT unplugged, Portnoy bands
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970120174939.19516A-100000@mcl.ucsb.edu>
Hey there
I am looking for the RATT Unplugged that they did a few years
ago. If you have it on video or audio, I would love to get a
copy or take it off your hands. (or any other RATT videos)
Also in the newest Dream Disc catalog lists:
INNER SANCTUM - 12a.m. (with Mike Portnoy of DT) $15
RISING POWER- Power For the People (featuring Mike
Portnoy of Dream Theater) $25
A local store has a double video (pro shot) of the Monsters of
Rock from '92 in Italy. Maiden headlines with Sabbath, Pantera,
Megadeth, and Warrant. It costs $30, mmmmmmm.........
lauters
Conrad
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:37:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Estrada Adler <al766074@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Trading
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970120203619.72773S-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Everybody who wants to trade some videos I just got some new ones, please
email me, it could be videos from any group please email me...
thanks
Visit my Homepage at: http://homepages.mty.itesm.mx/~al766074/
Visit my 2- HP at http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025
Visit Jason Kramer's Extreme Korner at:
http://mars.superlink.net/user/jkramer/extreme.html
Stay cool...
at least somebody's cool as you
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"You've got your whole life to write your first album,
and six months to do your next."
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:07:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Some Albom Reviews.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970120220117.7438A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Greetings,
While preparing for my radio show tomorrow, I listened to many alboms
brought up here. Here are my findings. Helloween's "Keeper of the Seven
Keys 1-2" are not all that interesting. I now know where Geoff Tait comes
from, but it is obvious to me that Helloween Is influenced by Iron Maiden
and not much else. Sure, there's some good shredding, but it sounds all
the same to me. Nitro's OFR is the model of glam shred-metal. Though I
admire Michael Angelo to no end, he doesn't know how to make a melody
shine. The one accoustically-introduced song was good, though. I could
never be as technically profficient as Angelo, no one could, but he just
doesn't know when to breathe. "Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner" from Maiden
is awsome, too. I like it better than most of their stuff. Last, I just
couldn't find "Play With Me" on Extreme's self-titled release. The albom
is awsome and Nuno is moreso, but I want my song. I might have skeppid it
in my rush through the record, but I don't think so. Looks like it's
gonna be a good show tomorrow. Erotomania will be the featured guitar
instrumental. Be well.
MattB
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:23:18 -0600
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New album recording, etc...
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970121032318.006a5df8@enteract.com>
>Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:59:01 -0500
>From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
> This article excites me even more for their new cd. One sentence
>excited me the most. It mentioned how DT is taking a more "Song by song"
>approach where they play as a band for one song, rather instrument by
>instrument for the whole album, to create a vibe and a more personal song.
> YES!
> This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear! Although I&W and Awake are
>my favorite albums of all time, this is the one aspect that was missing. I
>am bothered by the process of breaking up each instrument and just pasting
>them together. The result is the sound of many DT songs that sound like 5
>instruments going at it, rather than one cohesive whole.
Well, as nice as that would be, it'd be difficult to do, and even more
difficult to convince the engineers, producer, etc., to do that. The only
kinds of music that are recorded all together are orchestras, live
recordings (duh), and jazz/improvised music (because a lot of that relies on
band members giving each other visual cues as to what's going on). Recording
instruments separately for all other kinds of music has become and industry
standard for two reasons: it's easier, and it makes a cleaner recording.
Recording everyone one-at-a-time makes it easy to do retakes and punch-ins.
Each part is recorded on a separate track (or several) and can be modified
once the recording is done (ie run thru signal processors). If everything is
recorded at the same time, when one person screws up, everyone has to do it
again. And again. And again! That's because of microphone bleed. If everyone
is playing together in the same room , the vocalist's microphone is going to
pick up the drums, the drum mics are going to pick up the guitarist's amp,
etc., etc. It causes a lot less stress to do everything separately. Mixing
down is a big part of what comes out to the public...there's a technique of
creating "space" between instruments which probably causes the separation
you don't like. Perhaps, with the new producer, that'll change. :)
>Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:20:40 -0600
>From: Randall Braun <RBraun@adnc.ameridata.com>
>Faggot: isn't that something you stick in your mouth & suck???
>Well... isn't faggot a slang term (Anglish) for cigarette???
I think it is. But, actually, I believe the original meaning (also English)
was a pile of sticks. *shrug* Go figure!
-Madelaine
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:03:50 +0000
From: "The Baron" <szucseue@flyernet.udayton.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Another Uncovered
Message-ID: <9701210400.AA14529@enterprise.udayton.edu>
Just saw this boot today and I'm wondering what anyone thinks
about it. From what I saw the track selection wasn't too bad (PMU,
TTT, LSOD, Erotomania, and Damage Incorporated among others), and on
the back it states that it is soundboard, but I didn't listen to it.
Any advice would be helpful. Also, on the line, what is THE BEST
Awake era boot out there? Is it "Mind Control"?
Through the dark of futures past, the magician
longs to see; one chants out between two worlds,
Fire, Walk With Me!
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:17:43 -0700
From: "Mark Hatch-Miller" <ace@onfire.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: more DT impersonation bands
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970120221738.00685940@onfire.net>
>Vox: Frank Zappa
>Lead G: Stevie Ray Vaughn
>Rhythm G: The guys from Korn
>Bass: Trevor Dunn (Mr. Bungle)
>Keys: The guy from Mr. Bungle
>Sax (on AD): Lisa Simpson
>
We are talking about Dream Theater tribute bands, not the most unusual mix
of musicians EVER.
Mark
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Deep RUSH Thoughts:
If the members of rush were not from canada,but rather from outer space, I
think I would
still like them, but perhaps I would be more frightened about them
devouring my flesh
than I am now.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:24:43 -0700
From: "Mark Hatch-Miller" <ace@onfire.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Cacaphoney
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970120222438.00685940@onfire.net>
Neither of their albums are still available, unfortunately. My brother and
I have been looking for them for a long time, and have found that they are
only available used, and are therefore quite hard to find.
Mark
############################################################
Deep RUSH Thoughts:
Sometimes I lie awake at night thinking about those greedy Oaks. Those damn
greedy
Oaks! Oh, the inhumanity!
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:25:30 -0600
From: shields@onr.com (Jim Shields)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: personal gratification/spirituality of music
Message-ID: <v01530500af09ffdef7db@[206.104.9.6]>
hey, what's up everyone. It's been a long time since i've posted, or even
read the jam.
this past saturday, the 18th, my band had a big gig at this place called
the black orchid. We had the 2ND BIGGEST DRAW that the club has ever had.
(that's the personal gratification part)
but anyway, before we went on, JR, the lead singer, gave a us a little talk
which really impacted me and i think would be good to share with y'all.
the gist of it is that music is a spiritual thing, not a competition.
we're not going out there to blow away the other bands or to show them up,
we're there to share music with the audience. music is the only truly
spiritual thing which humans have control over; it is not physical at all,
but purely spiritual; it's the one thing we have in common with God or any
other supreme being. You have to let go of just playing your instrument,
plucking the strings or hitting the drums. you have to let the music take
over, let it flow through your body, let it control your movements and your
actions.
basically, music is the shit and a bag of chips!
BTW, any San Antonio Jammers interested in hearing our band perform, we're
gonna be at Rock Island on Jan. 29, the White Rabbit Feb. 11, and the Black
Orchid again on March 1.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:52:20 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DTC: Pissed Off!
Message-ID: <199701210302.UAA28491@cyberhighway.net>
>I know if I was James, I would secretly read this list from time
>to time, and it would be very dis-heartening to sit here and watch
>my own fans tear me up like Siskel and Ebert or something. I would
>get on stage and think "gee, how many jammers are out in the audience
>tonight waiting for me to fuck up so they can post about it on our
>mailing list".
I was watching the PPV from Japan. James did a wonderful job, IMO,
and I can't wait to see him live. All this crap about him screwing
up wears on me as well. Everyone here should be thankful that Dream
Theater picked him instead of, oh, say, Devin Townsend. (This guy
really sucks, I picked up Vai's S&R today, bleah!)
As I've said before, the point of seeing a band live is to have fun,
not to pick out the mistakes they make. Some people know what kind
of stigma it imposes when you try to sing in front of 50,000 people.
Singing alone in the studio is nothing compared to that. Lay off the
guy, he's great and your freakin jealous cuz your pets run in terror
when you open your mouths. :)
>I seem to remember seeing a column in one of the guitar magazines
>(Guitar World, Guitar, Guitar School,...etc.) written by John Petrucci
>and was just wondering if my memory serves me right and if it does,
>which magazine is this?
Yeah, this is his Wild Stringdom column in Guitar World mag. You can
access the guitar world arcives at
http://www.guitarworld.com/dec96/lessons/menu/le.menu.html
I haven't paid attention to guitar mags for the last year or so and
it appears that Eric Johnson has taken over this column. (Is this
temporary? This sucks, as much as I like EJ, I'd prefer lessons from
JP) Poke around and there may be old lessons from JP.
The Whining Banshee...
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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