YTSEJAM Digest 2211
Today's Topics:
1) Zebra, and an open letter Vince
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
2) cover band thingie
by "Hugh G. Rection" <drnewb@MO.NET>
3) Nuno's CD
by Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Nirvana pep band?
by "Hugh G. Rection" <drnewb@MO.NET>
5) Re: an open letter Vince
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2210
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
7) RE: ARTENSION !
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
8) Fifth Angel - NDTC
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
9) tellus,christian bands
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
10) Nine Miles
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
11) ------ angra ------
by Dieter Cailliau <dieter.cailliau@student.student.kulak.ac.be>
12) NDTC - Kirk
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
13) another literary reference, and stuff
by Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu>
14) Re: NDTC - Kirk
by "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu>
15) Play with me and JP column
by Eschnack@aol.com
16) devin
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
17) Re: John Petrucci 7-string
by rwarren@memphisonline.com
18) Band not on Magna Carta
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
19) Re: RATT unplugged, Portnoy bands
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
20) Studio Questions
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2210
by KOPCSODA@vaxvmsx.babson.edu
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2210
by KOPCSODA@vaxvmsx.babson.edu
23) Artension, Enchant, Steve Morse Band, TSO
by "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
24) Boots
by "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 23:59:35 -0600
From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Zebra, and an open letter Vince
Message-ID: <32e45b426c90004@cliff.ou.edu>
1. Zebra is (are?) releasing an album sooner or later in select towns --
New York, New Orleans, and Dallas I believe. They keep playing little clubs
up and down the east coast. There exists a Zebra page, go to your favorite
search engine and look.
2. Vince, I have noticed that your .sig often clashes with your posts.
IMNSHO, and I do mean this in a non-judgmental way, it would seem that to
actually type out "Peace be with you and God bless" would reinforce the
words you routinely use to end your posts. I have seen you express
intolerance and negativity and then merrily go and wish us all well.
This concerns me and I am using ytsejam to express this concern. If you
would hear me say this to you, it would be in a soft but firm tone of voice.
Partly it's because you've made a (sometimes two-faced) routine of your
religion. Partly because it's not polite to assume that any reader would
WANT a blessing from your god. I say that not to invite people to try to
"save" me, but because people reading your harsh words may not want the sort
of blessing a god who tolerates this behavior would give.
If it is the Christian religion you are claiming, please remember that one
of the things other Christians are supposed to do is to help you uphold the
values and rules. Fellows are to correct you in a community setting,
presumably so others can learn from the example.
I regret having to do this. I had hoped that you would notice the
inconsistency and correct it yourself. I feel like everyone's mother, or
like a jailer, or a judge; I do not feel proud or happy about this. But I
think you should know that the casualness of your tag line is something to
think about -- if it bothers ME (very little does), then it must be really
annoying to other people.
Sorry.
Jazzmin Sommers
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:19:36 +0000
From: "Hugh G. Rection" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: cover band thingie
Message-ID: <199701210618.AAA05107@Walden.MO.NET>
>Bass: Frank Bello (Anthrax), or the guy who's touring w/ Steve Vai
Oh, man, can this guy ever get a PHAT groove going. Yeah, I was
impressed by him about as much as I was Vai when I saw him a while
back.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:23:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Taco Belhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Nuno's CD
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970121012224.4196A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Does anybody have (is it out yet) Nuno Bettencourt's new solo CD? What is
it like?
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:31:00 +0000
From: "Hugh G. Rection" <drnewb@MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nirvana pep band?
Message-ID: <199701210630.AAA15767@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey, man, just 'cause a high school band does something doesn't make
it any less legit. My old high school marching band did Yes'
"Roundabout" and Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" in the same show once.
Hehe, I also saw a marching band do "School's Out" :).
Dale R. Newberry
P.S. Sorry I'm responding to older posts, but I am WAY the heck
behind on jams, man.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:09:33 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: an open letter Vince
Message-ID: <199701210709.AAA43926@mustique.u.arizona.edu>
Hello all,
I'm going to try to waste as little bandwidth here as possible. The
matter I am replying to is being handled via private e-mail. I see no
reason to clog up the ytsejam with my defense of myself. If you actually
want a copy of my defense or you wnat to know what I have to say about the
subject matter, feel free to e-mail me and we'll talk privately. Thank you.
Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:35:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2210
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970121022517.35004B@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> >
> Well, as nice as that would be, it'd be difficult to do, and even more
> difficult to convince the engineers, producer, etc., to do that. The only
> kinds of music that are recorded all together are orchestras, live
> recordings (duh), and jazz/improvised music (because a lot of that relies on
> band members giving each other visual cues as to what's going on). Recording
> instruments separately for all other kinds of music has become and industry
> standard for two reasons:
[snip]
Hi. I'm the one that originally posted that article in Metal Edge. I don't
think that Mike meant that they were going to record the album "live," which
is what you are referring to when you talk of everyone playing at the same
time. I'm pretty sure that he just meant that they were going to concentrate on
one SONG at a time, as opposed to doing the drums for the whole album at
once, and then going back and over dubbing the guitar for the whole
album, etc.... This means that they are going to complete one song before
moving on to the next one, thus allowing them to give different songs
different textures. That's all.
Richie
P.S. And for the record, it is MUCH cheaper to record an album "live,"
assuming you're working with good musicians.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:39:46 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: RE: ARTENSION !
Message-ID: <199701210739.XAA00174@ms.kallback.com>
Yup, got it, like it.
Got Mayodome too. Good stuff.
Anyone know if Shrapnel has any more progmetal artists?
T
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Anyone heard the Artension album?
IT's GREAT
Kris
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:43:04 +0100
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fifth Angel - NDTC
Message-ID: <v03007800af0a238bb732@[128.178.99.38]>
What ever happened to Fifth Angel? I remember seeing one of the former
members (maybe the excellent guitarist Ken Mary) in a recent outfit.
Could anyone please help me out on this?
Cheers,
.............................................
D A V E K I N G
b a s s & v o x
M T 2 0
p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:56:53 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: tellus,christian bands
Message-ID: <199701210856.AAA00183@ms.kallback.com>
>> tellus is..a christian band, so you have to deal with that.
> Heck, there have been cases where I heard stuff, loved it and later
>found out it was a christian band - like the Galactic cowboys. (I found
>them on a christian band list at http://www.m8.com/christian/). No matter
>what their religious views, being a great musician is what is important for
>the music I listen to.
>Thoughts from other jammers?
Yeah, same thing happened to me when I bought one of Kerry Livgren's bands
A.D.
I love all of Kansas' and Livgren's stuff.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 03:37:27 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Nine Miles
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9701210306.M19098-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey folks. I post today with a personal request. My band Nine Miles
(which includes fellow YJammer Richie Rivera on drums) recorded two songs
this weekend. I am dying to know what other people that share my musical
interests (namely, you) think about the stuff we wrote. I am interested
in *all* comments, as long as they're brutally honest. Gripe, whine,
bitch (that's for you, Mads :), nit-pick. Don't hold back. I want to
know everything. What do you think of the lyrics, the songwriting, the
arrangement, apparent influences, total rip-offs, spill it all. You can
download absolutely gigantic .wav's (zipped, ~6 mb and 3 mb) or somewhat
less gigantic .ra's (~1.5 mb) from: http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/ixmi.html.
Oh, btw, don't tell me that the recording quality sucks. We recorded on
a four track in Richie's basement. I *know* it sucks, but it's the best
we could do. It actually sounds pretty good on the cassette. :)
Thanks in advance everyone!
-d
BTW - everyone go sign up at www.planetall.com. It rules! E-mail Bogie
(whose e-mail address escapes me at the moment) for info!
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:00:23 +0100
From: Dieter Cailliau <dieter.cailliau@student.student.kulak.ac.be>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ------ angra ------
Message-ID: <32E493B7.41C67EA6@student.student.kulak.ac.be>
Does anyone know a band called 'angra'? I think they are from Brazil.
And I think the voice of the singer is somethimes very much like James'
voice. If you have some info, mail please. thanks!
bey (tot ziens hopelijk ooit eens!)
Dieter (effX)
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:55:22 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC - Kirk
Message-ID: <32E5B9DA.57D8@connexus.apana.org.au>
Is Kirk Hammett a poofter ??
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:36:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Keith Aspinall <kgunner@asu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: another literary reference, and stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970121062636.21957C-100000@general4.asu.edu>
One of my flatmates was reading Catch-22 this past week, and he
read me this passage from Chapter 3:Hagenmeyer.
'He decided to live forever or die in the attempt.'
I was saving the book for later, so I haven't yet determined if there was
any connection at all. So does anyone else know if this follows in the
tradition of PMU and LtL?
Has anyone else noticed that no matter how mediocre James might
be in a particular performance, UaGM is always the same. I have some
boots where the stuff around UaGM makes me cringe, but when James gets to
this, everything just seems to fall into place, and it's always a strong
performance, from the 5 or 6 sources i've heard.
keith
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:37:58 CST
From: "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: NDTC - Kirk
Message-ID: <12EC7DB74DC@augustana.edu>
On 21 Jan 97 at 5:03, Eddy M wrote:
Is Kirk Hammett a poofter ??
I thought we were done with this.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:56:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Eschnack@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Play with me and JP column
Message-ID: <970121085614_782359697@emout01.mail.aol.com>
To the guy who missed 'Play w/ me' on the Extreme CD, it starts w/ a nifty
classical intro done by Nuno, so maybe you skipped it because of that.
As for the JP column, it said on the Editors page on GW that JP would be back
in '97. I imagine that will happen after the new CD comes out... like what
happened w/ EJ
thankyouverymuch
Ernie
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:55:45 +0200
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: devin
Message-ID: <199701211556.RAA01107@pepe.online.ee>
> Theater picked him instead of, oh, say, Devin Townsend. (This guy
> really sucks, I picked up Vai's S&R today, bleah!)
Incorrect. Try again.
:-)
R.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:56:35 -0600
From: rwarren@memphisonline.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: John Petrucci 7-string
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970121075543.006c6e20@memphisonline.com>
I received the following from Ibanez. Thought you guys would be interested.
>X-From_: HoshinoUSA@aol.com Tue Jan 21 07:33:35 1997
>From: HoshinoUSA@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:33:19 -0500 (EST)
>To: rwarren@memphisonline.com
>Subject: Re: John Petrucci 7-string
>
>Richard,
> The JPM100P3 is exactly like the JPM100P2, except the color scheme is
>black & white. We currently have no plans for a John Petrucci 7-string
>guitar, though.
>
>Jim McCloskey
>Customer Service, Ibanez USA
Hope they change their mind on the 7-string!!!!!!!
Richard Warren
rwarren@memphisonline.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:04:11 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: Band not on Magna Carta
Message-ID: <199701211504.HAA00176@ms.kallback.com>
Does anyone have that post about the band that was almost signed to Magna
Carta and how to contact them?
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:51:45 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: RATT unplugged, Portnoy bands
Message-ID: <199701211451.XAA06497@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
Greetings!
At 6:08 PM 97.1.20 -0800, Conrad Chi wrote:
> Hey there
> I am looking for the RATT Unplugged that they did a few years
> ago. If you have it on video or audio, I would love to get a
> copy or take it off your hands. (or any other RATT videos)
>
About Ratt unplugged.....
I have one track 3-inch single of it. It contains "Born On The Bayou"
from MTV unplugged session.
This disc was included in Ratt & Roll 8191 (Japanese version original
pressing). It's amazing.
If you want this recording,let me know.
Thanks.
-Keiji Nishihara
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.or.jp
tq0139@mail.doshisha.ac.jp
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:50:53 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Studio Questions
Message-ID: <32E4E5DD.2572@enter.net>
This are a couple of questions to all of you out there, especially is
you are in a band and have worked in music recording studio's before.
A few of my friends and I are seriously considering building a music
studio in Reading, PA (about an hour west of Philly and hour South of
Allentown). I put that info because I know there is at least 2 studios
in the Philly area and one in Allentown (Shadow Gallery's studio).
The Questions:
Are we to close to these other studio's to compete?
A ballpark figure on how much $$$$ we might have to consider to spend to
do this project.
What is the average size in square feet do most studio's run?
Average hourly cost that other studios charge to rent it out? (This is
obviuously the whole purpose of our venture ---- allow local bands and
more use our facility and to make a profit).
Well, there are few questions. I' sure I'll have more later as this
thing gets more involved. Please email if you might have some good
information or other help.
Thanks
Bruce D. Duesterhoeft
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:15:46 -0500 (EST)
From: KOPCSODA@vaxvmsx.babson.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2210
Message-ID: <01IEGZ0HJKQQ8WWBVH@vaxvmsx.babson.edu>
This is about Jason Becker. Try Tower Records or a used CD store because
Becker's stuff does not sell that well.... Try out Jeff Kolman if you like
mellow playing, too. Larry Mitchell's first disc is really good for fast and
slow licks--good writing, also.
Shemp
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:27:13 -0500 (EST)
From: KOPCSODA@vaxvmsx.babson.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2210
Message-ID: <01IEGZ7056148WWBVH@vaxvmsx.babson.edu>
This is about Jon Finn. Yes, he does have an album out. For some weird
reason I cannot remember the title. On the cover is just his face with doodles
on it (a moustache/beard/others) By the way, no H in Jon. I know that you can
pick up his disc anywhere in Boston or the outlying suburbs, but he may be more
difficult to get elsewhere-I have no idea. He is a Boston native, studied at
Berklee, and is good friends with Andy Timmons (Danger Danger, and now one of
the best guitarists I have ever seen--another "monster") I believe that he
played with a bunch of guitarists at Berklee. I have heard that you must catch
his live performances on a good day or he screws up his effects and it sounds
bad. He teaches at Berklee with Bruce Bartlett and others. Anyway...his album
is excellent, well-produced and,if you can find it, it is a great pick-up to
add to a collection. None is complete without it.
Shemp
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 09:49:28 -0600
From: "Robin L. Campbell" <campbell@str.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Artension, Enchant, Steve Morse Band, TSO
Message-ID: <199701211629.IAA29404@pawn.ax.com>
Hi all,
Kris writes:
>Anyone heard the Artension album?
>
>IT's GREAT
>
>Kris
Kris, I agree with you 100% This is an awesome album! Incredible keys,
Shredding guitar work, and great vocals. This is one disc definitely worth
checking out in my opinion.
about ENCHANT:
I downloaded and listened to all 4 of the soundbytes from
'Blueprints of the world' from their web site, and they sound really good.
Does anyone know of any more sound clips available for download that I could
check out? Also, for whoeve has this album, do those clips accurately
represent the rest of the album, cuz if so, I will order the damn thing
today! Any info or opinions on this band are much appreciated.
about STEVE MORSE BAND:
I just bought 'StressFest' last night after hearing some positive
comments about him on the jam recently, and I am VERY pleased with this
disc. He is an amazing player! Now I will have to search for the rest of his
stuff! Thanks to anyone who posted about him.
about TSO:
I feel sorry for those of you have not been able to locate this disc
anywhere, because it is incredible. I was lucky enough to get the last copy
at Best Buy a week before Xmas, having heard about it that day on here. It
is now one of my favorite albums, even though it ain't Xmas time anymore!
What an Exquisite mix of different vocalists, choirs, rocked-up classics,
and an emotional storyline weaving it all together. You can definitely see
Jon Oliva's style running through this thing after hearing 'streets' and
'dead wubter dead'. Anyone else see the similarity betweentrack #3 on TSO
and 'Chance' from HOR? Love that vocal polyphony!
thanks for listening,
rob
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:26:40 CST
From: "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Boots
Message-ID: <131986E55C9@augustana.edu>
I'm new to the list and was just wondering; where's the best place to get
DT bootlegs. Thank you very much for your help.
Pat Worrall
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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And
I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it.
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| Zeta Omega Omega |
| Augustana College |
| Rock Island, IL 61201 |
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