YTSEJAM Digest 2227
Today's Topics:
1) Warrior Soul
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
2) The "Mercy Fuck" line.
by Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
3) Musings with regard to jam 2226 (NDTC)
by "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
4) Theater vs. Theatre
by Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
5) Re: Mercy Fuck
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
6) Pickups
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
7) G3 stuff
by EricD91011@aol.com
8) Mercy Fucking Shit
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
9) Re: G3 stuff
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
10) Effects on James
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
11) Check out Machine Head too!
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
12) machine head
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
13) Re: Pickups
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
14) NDTC - Marty Friedman - Megafaq
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
15) New CD??
by Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu>
16) Re: Effects on James
by "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu>
17) CD Burners
by "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net>
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:09:44 -0800
From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Warrior Soul
Message-ID: <32EA5A78.3C2@iinc.com>
I've been getting comments left and right on the subject of the amazing
band Warrior Soul so I'd just like to let you all know...I have a
Warrior Soul homepage at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784/
The page is very under construction but does include all info on all of
their albums and lyrics to all of Drugs, God And The New Republic, some
lyrics to Last Decade Dead Century along with a detailed review of it,
some lyrics for Odds And Ends along with liner notes and a picture of
the UK version of the CD, some lyrics for Chill Pill and my crappy
review for it and my crappy review for Salutations From The Ghetto
Nation and also has some info on their CD singles. I hope all fans will
check it out and tell me what they think. In the future, I plan to have
the rest of the lyrics, pictures and sound files. Thanks, everyone
Don Compton
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:36:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The "Mercy Fuck" line.
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.970125102729.1804A-100000@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
Ok...Ok... I usually don't jump on things like this but some of you are
forgetting something. It is true that James sang (sung?) "I don't need
your fuckin' shit..." during the BH "Holidays" show version of ACOS. The
"mercy fuck" version was performed at the JUNE '95 Birch Hill show before the
ACOS EP was even released. (Trust me, I have a copy of the show on tape).
Just thought I'd clear that up and hopefully kill the thread.
By the way, if anyone would like to trade for a copy of this show, feel
free to E-mail me and we'll set something up.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Stewart (AKA Remo) |"By the time you can make ends meet,
remo@dreamt.org | they move the ends..."
stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu |"I have seen the truth and it makes
stewaj01@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu | no sense!"
http://condor.stcloud.msus.edu/~stewaj01| --Unknown
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:31:35 -0500
From: "Kevin W. Madden" <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: Patrons of the Anne Arundel County Public Library <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Musings with regard to jam 2226 (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970125163135.00689b78@pop.pipeline.com>
<snip>
>history of North America, so lots of words were changed to give them a
>more phonetic look.
<cut>
>Gary Cleghorn
>Mmmmmm... donuts whoo-hoo
I find it coincidental that a similar word should find
its way into your .sig ---> donut and doughnut. Though I can't
say phonetics had anything to do with it...
I could find a way to slam Tempus in this post, but I won't.
He was just expressing his opinion.
I am not sure I would classify Pantera and Nevermore the same way.
Yes, they are both "heavy metal," but there is no comparison when it
comes to musicianship, vocal skill, or song structure. Nevermore is
far more advanced, in my opinion, which, since it comes from me, is
law. I realize that isn't exactly what the original poster was trying to say -
that Pantera and Nevermore were the same - but that is a possible
extrapolation, and I wanted to clear that up!
I think we should all offer a prayer to Madsman (CTPtacek), being
that he is our Guitar God And Saviour.
I think yosammity implied that Saigon Kick's new one "would actually"
be on a major label. If I am not mistaken, the first two cds were on,
or at least distributed by,a major label.
I recall KorgX or ibanez2 or whatever Chuck is portraying himself to be
mentioned a lack of a Savatage tour following DWD. There were a few
dates (or at least one here in the MDDCVA area), but it was cancelled/post-
poned for some reason. I thought they were coming back around, but....
I am trying to think up a good tour for Fates Warning. With whom should
they tour? Not that anyone is going to ask *me*...
I am I
This post was brought to you by the letter "I"
Kevin
GO WINGS!!!
GO PACKERS!!!
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:33:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Quazel Schmirt <jmlentch@mailbox.syr.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Theater vs. Theatre
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970125112503.22638A-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
We actually discussed this topic in my music history class last semester.
When the first American dictionaries were being produced, the colonies (I
believe that is what we were at the time) were attempting to break away
from Europe as much as possible, specifically Britain. Webster took it
upon himself to alter the language slowly but hoped to eventually create a
language that was totally different. In his first edition, he changed the
spelling of all 'tre' words to 'ter' and the word colour to color. There were
some other changes but I can't remember what they were. Obviously, the
language didn't change all that much but there are some changes evident.
Either way, Theater is the same word, it is just a matter of which
country's spelling is used.
Jill ----------- Quazel
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:53:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Mercy Fuck
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970125114725.12874A-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> Well actually..in birch hill he says "i dont neeed your fucking shit..to
> get me thru the day" ... i dont know which one's the mercy one
Here's the breakdown-
Limelight 3/4/93- (and others) Please Don't Go version
Ytsecon II- Muted version
Birch Hill- 6/9/95 Mercy Fuck version
Malibu 6/13/95 (and others after that)- Sympathy version
Birch Hill- 12/29/95- Fucking Shit version
Fix for 96 shows- Let's Skip This Section version
Ytsejam- 1/25/97- Merlo Putitinthefaq version :)
Andy
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:21:12 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pickups
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970125172112.0070ed94@enteract.com>
>I think these are available now in both the neck and bridge
>positions. The latest DiMarzio catalog isn't specific, but gives to
>cat. numbers, so I'm assuming that they are available that way. I'll
>probably change the pickups out again soon. The ones I got now are
>OK, but I think I'll try a different combination. a FRED and a
>Steve's Special maybe. I can get the old one's put in my Washburn, I
>guess... (PAF Pro and Evolution). Anyone know th FRED and SS makes
>a good combo in an Ibanez? I kinda wanna try it before I buy it...
I was referring to the Seymore Duncan Sceamin Demon. You oughta try a
duncan in bridge position. If an Evolution didn't do it for you, a Fred
definately won't. Also, if you ARE gonna stay with DiMarzios you might
check out the Tone Zone. High output, high harmonics... etc. Ot's a little
bit brittle sounding (like all DiMarzios) which is why I chose the Duncan.
My 6 string SCREAMS! I am tempted to have my Universe's pickups rewound for
the same effect. I know someone that runs a business doing just that type
of thing. Hasta
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:56:55 -0500 (EST)
From: EricD91011@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: G3 stuff
Message-ID: <970125125653_880515070@emout15.mail.aol.com>
In regards to the post about the G3 CD and video, according to Steve Vai's
pesonal tour manager there will only be a CD, no video. They taped four of
the G3 shows and will be putting out a double CD. However, he said not once
they video any stops on the tour. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:56:14 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mercy Fucking Shit
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9701251229.C9067-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Just to clear up any remaining confusion:
Birch Hill, June 9, 1995:
"I don't need your mercy fuck to get me through the day"
Malibu, June 13, 1995 (Lido Beach Party or whatever):
"I don't need your sympathy to get me through the day"
Malibu, December 28, 1995:
"I don't need your sympathy to get me through the day"
Birch Hill, December 29, 2995:
"I don't need your fucking shit to get me through the day"
----> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: LaBrie & Petrucci > > coming through on ACOS. I think Prater had LaBrie singing through a Midas > Muffler to keep his voice in check or something... (I mean it does say in > the FAQ how LaBrie worked with the Canadian Mafia blowing up cars before > he got into singing.)
Oh, shit, did I leave that in there?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:45:15 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: G3 stuff Message-ID: <199701251845.LAA87876@mustique.u.arizona.edu>
At 10:09 AM 1/25/97 -0800, you wrote: >In regards to the post about the G3 CD and video, according to Steve Vai's >pesonal tour manager there will only be a CD, no video. They taped four of >the G3 shows and will be putting out a double CD. However, he said not once >they video any stops on the tour. Take the time. > If that is true, remember that G3 is coming back for a second swing this coming summer, and if a video hasn't been taped yet, it may be done on this coming tour.
Later, Peace be with you and God bless.
~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:53:06 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Effects on James Message-ID: <199701251853.NAA02351@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:56:09 -0500 (EST) > From: YoSammity@aol.com > Subject: Saigon Kick > > I'm a big SK fan myself and yes I do have their most recent ("Devil in > the Details"). In my opinion, it's the best of the 4. They're currently > working on their new album... I think this one might actually be on a major > label.
Woo hoo! A major label? Wow. Their first three releases were on Atlantic <pretty major label>. Not many bands can make the transiton from a major label to CMC and BACK to a major label!
Yes, I agree. Devil in the Details IS the best.
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 07:37:06 -0800 (PST) > From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: LaBrie & Petrucci > > > I would also count pretty highly on there being all kinds of compression > > and mild chorusing on everythinghe sings. That's not a flaw... it's > > just how they make vocals work on an album. > > The production on "A Change Of Seasons" is real big on this. His voice > almost sounds electronic at times, much more sterile than the Awake album.
Hmm...I disagree. I found the voice recording on Awake to be much more effects-laden than ACoS. <I&W, however, does make him sound like a machine.> On ACoS there really isn't much doubling or chorusing--just some compression, delay, and reverb. Of course, then there's the gate. Prater seems to be really fond of gating a singer so that you don't hear the inhalation before every phrase. Fuck that. I want to hear the breath. He's a singer. Singers BREATHE. This is really my only complaint about the production on ACoS as far as the vocals are concerned. Yes, they do seem to pump the delay/reverb a bit on the ends of phrases, but that just keeps it ambient.
> Especially during the Another World section when he's singing slowly and > hitting a lot of long, ringing notes with his big vibrato. On notes like > "another WOOOORLD" or "deep in SORROOOW," there's obviously something > suppressing the natural shift in volume that happens during vibrato.
Yes. That's the proper way to use delay on a singer, with the peaks of the voice coinciding with the troughs of the vibrato and vice versa. You don't need to use a lot of delay to make it sound right.
> Unless James has figured out how to keep his voice at exactly the same > volume while changing his pitch and singing higher notes with more air and > a full vibrato, he's got effects up the wazoo keeping reins on his cannon.
And that's entirely possible. That's the name of the game when you're a singer. I have an F# above tenor high C, but I'm a baritone. Those high notes just won't cut it in the classical vein. My low and middle notes will. They're fine in the amplified world of rock/pop music. James, however, is obviously a tenor. I have no doubt that he can keep everything that even.
As for keeping reins on his cannon: I realize it can get lonely on the bus without your wife on the tour with you, but reins? Is that really necessary? :)
> And that sucks. I don't care how "even" that makes everything sound, when > LaBrie belts out those high notes he really packs a wallop. Anyone who's > seen DT live can attest to this fact, and I just don't hear those blasts > coming through on ACOS.
That's because he's not singing as high. Sure he's above the staff most of the time, but he's not three ledger lines above like on I&W. Of course, I do think that "The Crimson Sunset" could do with a little less limiting. However, he's having a few pitch problems there anyway. IMO, that's a section that should have been redone anyway.
> I think Prater had LaBrie singing through a Midas Muffler to keep his > voice in check or something... (I mean it does say in the FAQ how LaBrie > worked with the Canadian Mafia blowing up cars before he got into > singing.)
Is THAT where I heard that? :)
Steve Z
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:58:43 -0800 From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Check out Machine Head too! Message-ID: <32EA8213.1A6D@dreamt.org>
>Michelob said that anyone into Pantera should check >out Fear Factory. I think that said people should >check out the new Nevermore (The Politics of Ecstasy), >it ROCKS!!! Well I say Machine Head! For some reason I always link them to Fear Factory. Maybe it's because the singers are similar. maybe it's just because I got Burn my Eyes on the same day I got Demanufacture.
======================================================================== "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- ----- ========================================================================
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:13:21 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: machine head Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970125191321.006dbc3c@mail.inlink.com>
> >Well I say Machine Head! For some reason I always link them to Fear >Factory. Maybe it's because the singers are similar. maybe it's just >because I got Burn my Eyes on the same day I got Demanufacture.
i link them a lot too, theyre like fear factory with more lead work, guitar melody, and guitar solos, yet they're by far not as tight as fear factory in any way. they're also both on the same record label, have the same producer, and their cds even look alike on the cd rack cuz they use the same font for the titles n stuff. machine head totally rocks as well
~Rip
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:51:08 +0000 From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Pickups Message-ID: <199701252001.NAA03391@cyberhighway.net>
> I was referring to the Seymore Duncan Sceamin Demon. You oughta try a > duncan in bridge position. If an Evolution didn't do it for you, a Fred > definately won't. Also, if you ARE gonna stay with DiMarzios you might > check out the Tone Zone. High output, high harmonics... etc. Ot's a little > bit brittle sounding (like all DiMarzios) which is why I chose the Duncan. > My 6 string SCREAMS! I am tempted to have my Universe's pickups rewound for > the same effect. I know someone that runs a business doing just that type > of thing. Hasta
Ahh... I really like the Evolution alot, and I love the Tone out of the PAF Pro. The FRED would be in the neck, though since they only make Steve's Specials for the bridge (I think). The Steve is s'possed to be crunchy in the low end and smooth on the top so I hear. The FRED's s'possed to be like a PAF Pro with a bit more Ooomph. It'd be alot like taking what I got and givin it a kick. I really do like the combo I got right now and mebbe if I get myself a decent FX processor I might enjoy it a little better. Those little Yellow Ibanez ThrashMetal soundtanks don't sound too great. :) Me thinks I'll invest in a Digi-tech RP-12 or something...
Letters! KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore) ibanez@cyberhighway.net "Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to." --David Arkenstone
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:47:11 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NDTC - Marty Friedman - Megafaq Message-ID: <199701252053.UAA84671@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 01/25/97 07:53am -0800
Hey, Does anyone have the months in which Marty Friedman's solo albums were released? I have the year but not the month :) Shitty deal too eh.
Update to the MegaFaq will be on Monday
Mark my smartt.com account is now useless. Please email at either msmeets@ibm.net or msmeets@zeek.murlin.com -- -Check out the new Serenity's End Chat room zeek.murlin.com oprt 8888 -Check out my web site http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM @------>--->--- Some people lose their faith because Heaven shows them to little. Others lose their faith because Heaven shows them too much. - The Prophecy -- I don't believe in coincidence @------>--->--- I guide you through the sea of nightmares called existance and lead you to the sanctuary where a haven exists only to those who have lost hope and this is called earth but to those who have hope, stand alone outside this haven guarding it alone. -M.S. @------>--->--- I stand at the promised land with Fire In my Eyes! W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:05:44 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Guadagnoli <nguadagn@acme.csusb.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New CD?? Message-ID: <199701252105.NAA08996@acme.csusb.edu>
I know this will make me sound ignorant, and probably behind the times, but: When The Hell Is Elektra Going To Distribute The New DT Disc???
If anyone knows, please clue me in-- I'm west coast, so there was no chance for Fix for 96, and I'm going through withdrawals from new DT stuff.
--Hasta Lumbago, ProgRockBoy
Now playing: Star Wars: A New Hope Special Edition. (and it rockz, for 30 bux)
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:15:42 CST From: "Louie The Drunken Irishman" <PATRICK-WORRALL@Augustana.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Effects on James Message-ID: <19765FC279C@augustana.edu>
On 25 Jan 97 at 11:00, Steve Zebrowski wrote:
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:56:09 -0500 (EST) > From: YoSammity@aol.com > Subject: Saigon Kick > > I'm a big SK fan myself and yes I do have their most recent ("Devil in > the Details"). In my opinion, it's the best of the 4. They're currently > working on their new album... I think this one might actually be on a major > label. Woo hoo! A major label? Wow. Their first three releases were on Atlantic <pretty major label>. Not many bands can make the transiton from a major label to CMC and BACK to a major label! Yes, I agree. Devil in the Details IS the best.
I also agree that Devil in the Details is the best.
CMC was bought out by BMG which actually makes it a major label. Well, at least it's closer to a major label.
-Pat Worrall @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Pat "Louie" Worrall | | Zeta Omega Omega | | Augustana College | | Rock Island, IL 61201 | | Patrick-Worrall@Augustana.Edu | `````````````````````````````````````````
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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:23:33 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <pendragn@netins.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD Burners Message-ID: <32EA87E5.38A9@netins.net>
Hi all, I have a CD burner and I've had no problems with skipping. The only problems I've had are popping noises. I haven't been able to determine whether it's a sampling problem or a writing problem. I will give a word of advice to others thinking of buying a burner. Don't buy Phillips CDD2000. I've had a few problems with it, nothing terrible, but there technical support is the worst I have ever seen in my life. I work in the Computer industry and I think that Phillips way of dealing with customers is just plain unacceptable. Their technical support phone number is not 1-800. And when you finally get through there is no way to talk to a human. All they have is an answering machine where you leave your name, number and your problem and they promise to call you back. I imagine this is very helpful to people who are in no hurry to get things working and can set around one phone for 24 hours. I stumbled on to two email address so I send a very lenghty, in depth explaination of what my problem was and I pleaded with them to help me. I didn't receive a reply from the phone call at all, and I received an email 10 days later and the fix was not for the problem I had described. It sounded like the guy that responded do so to the wrong email. I would hate to see any other jammers suffer the fate I have.
c ya' todd
> With all of this talk about CD burners skipping and all, I'm very > unfamiliar with the whole burner thing. About the same time this thread > came up, I got a mail offering for me to buy a 2 CD Tool bootleg burned > from the master copy and pressed on a gold disk. It's only $45 so I'm > suspicious. Any advice? > > ======================================================================== > "Are you gonna bark all day, little ----- > doggie, or are you gonna ---- ------------- ---- > bite?"-Micheal Madsen, ---- - ---- > Reservoir Dogs -- - - - - - - - -- > "Just victims of the in-house - - - - - - - > drive-by. They say jump, - - -- - -- - - > you say 'How high?"-Rage -- - - - - - - - -- > Against The Machine ---- - - - ---- > later--------------Brian ---- ------------- ---- > ----- > ======================================================================== >
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