YTSEJAM Digest 2231
Today's Topics:
1) Readin' the jam and stuff
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
2) Dream Theater Translation 1!!!
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) Re: machine head
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
4) Enchant DT Cones ?
by "Graham Boyle" <graham@no1.com.au>
5) more unmoderated shit
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
6) the Doors
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
7) JP and Sega
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
8) More Jason Becker (please read)
by Matthew Travis <tool@prairienet.org>
9) Re: Enchant DT Cones ?
by Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se>
10) Re: lots of catching up
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) DT clones
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2229
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
13) 80's band
by Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
14) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
15) Re: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
16) Help with Queensryche...
by GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk>
17) The combination of two ethereal entities...
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
18) Re: Dream Theater Translations!
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
19) Rock Discipline Video
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:50:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Readin' the jam and stuff
Message-ID: <199701270450.XAA07593@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Hey everyone,
I was flipping through the past few ytsejams and I noticed
something. A lack of Dream Theater content. Then, I also remembered that
there really isn't much going on in the world and legacy of Dream Theater is
there? Of course there is discussion always about a new bootleg someone got
or some memoribillia that someone startled upon, but there really isn't much
to talk about. So, I guess all we can do is patiently anticipate the
arrival of the new disc(s) and ponder "2 cd or not 2 cd" and hope to be
pleasantly surprised.
On a similar note, a friend and I had a discussion the other day (he
is a die hard DT fan) and the discussion was about DT and the record
company. Is this delay because of them. Another thing we discussed was the
progessiveness of some of the new bands out there, they aren't changing time
signatures a lot but they are still doing it. Progressiveness is having a
return (?) and I like it. That may be a reason for the delay. I see a new
trend in rock and I like it. The new trend seems to be heading in the right
direction and this alternative shit is on the out. I see a light at the end
of the tunnel for us. I know that I have to listen to a radio station at
work that thrives on this "alternative" and new edge music. (It's all I get
because an oldies station located next door seems to block everything else).
I belive that a few of DT's new songs will actually be marketable.
It's been so long since I have heard any DT's stuff on the radio (since
Images and Words and "Pull me Under" was popular)
So, that's all I've got at the moment so keep the music discussion
alive. It really stinks that the Packers won the superbowl, the Patriots
could have done it. The Packers played real dirty.
Later, J
Quote of the day: "Football combines the two worst features of American
life. It is violence punctuated by committee meetings."
--George F. Will
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:49:44 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater Translation 1!!!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970127044944.0072fb54@enteract.com>
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:12:35 -0400 (EDT)
>From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
>To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
>Subject: Chris Ptacek's song interpretation
>Message-ID: <01IEOD419HSY9BWCA9@alma.edu>
>
> Status Seeker?
We have a WINNER!!!! DingDingDing!!!!
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:59:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: machine head
Message-ID: <199701270459.XAA19303@web1.america.net>
>i still hold my ground that whatever MH put on the demon knight soundtrack,
>which is what i was referring to when i said i wasnt impressed, still doesnt
>impress me. the album, on the other hand, which i recently heard,
>faithfully rocked.
What MH song is on the demon knight soundtrack??? I didn't think they had
any tunes on that one. Speaking of other MH songs, if anyone here has the
"Old" single, they know how much ASS the song Alan's On Fire (and a couple
live tracks--Davidian, and a cover of the Cro Mags' Hard Times) kicks!
Beavis (Wes Foll) http://www.america.net/~wfoll/beavis.htm
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:48:22 +0000
From: "Graham Boyle" <graham@no1.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchant DT Cones ?
Message-ID: <199701272127.0599700@no1.com.au>
Someone wrote that Enchant sounded like DT clones ? What album sounds
like DT ? Neither 'Blueprint' or 'Wounded' sound nothing like DT, the
one thing they have in common is that they are both great progressive
bands. If you want DT clones try Ivanhoe, they two albums I have from
them have DT stamped all over them. Paul Craddick is a great drummer though,
lagging just behind Mike P and Neil Peart.
Cheers
Graham
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:39:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: more unmoderated shit
Message-ID: <199701270539.VAA19601@armenia.it.earthlink.net>
Itchy scratched:
>I know there are people lurking in the shadows to flame my ass off,
>because of this message (hi Scott), but I don't phuqing care. :-P
I don't do that anymore because I've noticed if I just sit back and watch the
posts usually about ten other people will say exactly what I wanted to say.
The only thing I will say, it's not a flame but take it any way you want it,
is that every time I've seen you post, the contents are usually:
1. There's too much NDTC here.
2. The Marillion list is better.
3. The most frequent poster list (noticed my name isn't at the top anymore)
4. the MFP list is going to include more info now
5. The jam needs to be moderated.
But I don't ever see you write anything DT related. Now I'm the last one to
whine about NDTC, but if you're gonna complain about the lack of DTC, then
don't
ya think you could contribute more yourself?
Like I said this is not meant to be a flame, but take it anyway you want it.
Scott
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Penthouse magazine won a case to sell magazines at Military stores; and
to celebrate they are going to have a 10 page pictorial of Rosa Parks
naked on a lunch counter. Bill Maher - January 24, 1997
87% of NFL players said they'd rather play on grass, and Michael Irvin
said he'd rather play on Cocaine. Conan O'Brien - Jan 24, 1997
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:50:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the Doors
Message-ID: <199701270550.VAA20710@armenia.it.earthlink.net>
>I saw the video for a new (I belieeeeve it's new) The Doors song
>recently on that In Concert show ABC's got on late night Saturdays. It was
>a spoken-word number, quite funky, with a lot of saxophone, much unlike all
>the other The Doors stuff I've heard.
I think it's a video for "The Ghost Song." There is an album called
"An American Prayer" which is a spoken word album of jim Morrison reciting
poetry he had written. There's also a Live version of Roadhouse Blues on it.
It was originally released in like 1979 or something like that but was released
for the first time on cd back in 1994 or 95.
Scott
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Penthouse magazine won a case to sell magazines at Military stores; and
to celebrate they are going to have a 10 page pictorial of Rosa Parks
naked on a lunch counter. Bill Maher - January 24, 1997
87% of NFL players said they'd rather play on grass, and Michael Irvin
said he'd rather play on Cocaine. Conan O'Brien - Jan 24, 1997
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:20:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP and Sega
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970127021850.3516A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Greetings,
I found and visitted Sega's web cite today. FYI it's (of course)
http://www.sega.com. There was no listing of anything sounding like what
was offered in the last poster's question about whether the game is out or
not. Be well.
Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:16:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew Travis <tool@prairienet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: More Jason Becker (please read)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9701270129.A13484-0100000@bluestem.prairienet.org>
H'llo all,
With the recent talk of Jason Becker on the 'jam, here's something I
thought people might be interested in. I don't know how many people have
seen the Muscular Dystrophy Association telethon... you know, Jerry
Lewis. Last year, I watched because I figured they would be nuts not to
have a segment of the program with Jason. After staying up all night, he
finally appeared live via satellite. He had a statement to read, but
since he can no longer talk, his father Gary read it. I videotaped the
segment (about 8 minutes or so). I finally got around to transcribing his
statement. Here are his words:
"Five years ago, I was very healthy and active. Now I have to struggle to
swallow, breathe, and hold my head up. I was always happy; now it is work
to be happy. People with diseases like this don't get vacations, days
off, a lunch hour, or even a minute break. I am very lucky to have many
friends and loved ones with me. Many people don't have that. ALS is very
frightening. I have a perfectly healthy and well-combined diet. I pray
and meditate. I get fresh air. I think positively as much as I can, and I
have tried many alternative therapies. I know these things are why I'm
still alive, but I am still getting worse. Please help find a cure for all
these people who didn't consciously ask for ALS. May you never get this. It's
been sixty years since Lou Gehrig gave his name to this disease and there's
still no treatment or cure. So hurry up, please."
It's wierd. In a way, it's like he's the lucky one. He and I are the same
age, and yet, I look at what I've done with my life, and what he's done
and I'm actually ashamed. The amazing thing about "Perspective" is not
that he created it even though he has ALS, but rather that he created it
at all. In order to created such magnificently beautiful music takes
talent, skill, a gift from the Almighty. Were he healthy,it would still
be amazing. ALS is only an impediment to composing because it makes the
little things, like typing, more tedious. His mind, where the music is
created, is as good now, better even, as it was before ALS. What *is*
amazing is that he didn't give up on himself or life. That he pursued
this work even though the doctors said he wouldn't live to finish it. His
quality of character is the amazing thing.
And to anyone considering buying "Perspective" and to those who say they
were somewhat disappointed in buying it. DO NOT buy it expecting it to
sound like ANYTHING you've ever heard before. It's not metal, it's not
rock, it's not Dream Theater. It is altogether different. I suppose that
if you bought Beethoven expecting it to be like Pantera, then you'd be
disappointed. But if you bought it expecting it to be the style it is, or
at least had an open mind, then you might not be disappointed.
I'm gonna write something else later, but I think I'll cut this off here
and now.
-matej
tool@prairienet.org
http://www.prairienet.org/~tool
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:37:39 +0100
From: Mika Numminen <te95mne@student.hgs.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Enchant DT Cones ?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970127083739.1a5f7834@pop.student.hgs.se>
At 21.28 1997-01-26 -0800, Graham wrote:
>Someone wrote that Enchant sounded like DT clones ? What album sounds
>like DT ? Neither 'Blueprint' or 'Wounded' sound nothing like DT, the
>one thing they have in common is that they are both great progressive
>bands. If you want DT clones try Ivanhoe, they two albums I have from
>them have DT stamped all over them.
Someone lookign for DT clones, try Mayadome (swedish band, CD released
on Shrapnel/RR) or World of silence (swedish band, released on Black Mark).
World of silence really sounds like ACOS, and the keyboardist seems to
use all the same sound that Derek uses!
Mika Numminen, aka Viking
MAIL: te95mne@student.hgs.se
URL: http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne
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"Whoever fights monsters should see to
it that in the process he does not become
a monster. And when you look long into an
abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
Nietzsche "Beyond good and evil"
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:36:43 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: lots of catching up
Message-ID: <32ECAF6B.5147@caribe.net>
woot wrote:
> I admit that Altura and Enchant are probably just DT clones, but they are
> really good at it. Many bands that try to clone DT fall short (Ivanhoe)
I dont know but Enchant sounds more like Rush to me (in the way that
theyre way less heavy than DT and dont have any "wacky" parts.And Altura
does have those parts but they do it jsut for the sake of doing
them..and sounds choppy...
Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage
to face its implications-Ian Malcolm
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:49:21 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: DT clones
Message-ID: <199701271249.EAA00190@ms.kallback.com>
Anyone complaining about DT clones can send them to me for free.
Trevor Hoit
14700 NE 29th Pl #224
Bellevue WA 98007
Cloning is the most sincere form of flattery.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:30:44 -0600
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2229
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970127143044.006abb94@enteract.com>
>From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
>(note: the above disclaimer was not meant to offend any he-man
>woman-haters that may reside on this mailing list. I don't want to name
>names, but these people have just as much right to hate as I to love.
>Chris Ptacek.)
Now, now, Bafu...don't go taking EVERYTHING Chris says as the literal
truth.... ;)
>From: Jan van Huizen <aurora@wirehub.nl>
>Subject: News .. news .. news
>Queensryche
>-----------
>Release date for the new Queensryche (Hear In The Now Frontier) will be 17th
>of March.
Actually, I've heard from a rather reliable source that the release date
will be March 25. Sorry, gotta wait another week!
>From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
> As for a song, here goes.
>Once upon a time, I was totally in love with the world. Natural things
>impressed me no end.
<snip>
Could that be ACOS??? :)
-Maddy
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:50:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 80's band
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970127094831.17959A-100000@copland.udel.edu>
If anyone works at a record store or listens to any hard rock radio they
have heard that SOME band from the 80's is reuniting at the AMA's
(american music awards). Have we all come to the conclusion that this is
Motley Crue w/ Vince Neil? Just thinking out loud....thanks.
andy
Andrew Miller Cigarettes,
ytsejam@Udel.Edu Burbon,
--or-- A N D
andym@dreamt.org Betrayl......
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:10:36 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
Message-ID: <199701271510.HAA00186@ms.kallback.com>
I have never ever been able to get to this address?
Any one else? Any explanations?
Trevor W. Hoit ¸
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The Gathering-Always $9 I
Lethal-Maza $6 I
Tonto's Expanding Head Band $6 I
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:53:10 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/4257
Message-ID: <32ECDD76.6A16@caribe.net>
trevorw@ms.kallback.com wrote:
>
> I have never ever been able to get to this address?
> Any one else? Any explanations?
>
> Trevor W. Hoit ¸
> ----------------------------------------------------
> The Gathering-Always $9 I
> Lethal-Maza $6 I
> Tonto's Expanding Head Band $6 I
> ----------------------------------------------------
i tried it..and it worked..
--
Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage
to face its implications-Ian Malcolm
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:00:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: GlassMoon <ep180@city.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Help with Queensryche...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970127155835.9809C-100000@paddington>
Hello Jamanoids...
Sorry to take up bandwidth for this, but could someone please help me
joining the Queensryche fan club? thanks in advance! :)
Achilles \\ "You turned me round to face myself, //
Metalhead and \\ made me trust in what I am" //
Dream Theater fan \\ Rage - All this time //
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:35:26 -0800
From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The combination of two ethereal entities...
Message-ID: <199701271638.AA13626@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello all,
I went to Taco Bell on Saturday to eat the food of the Gods, as I
do every weekend. As I approached, I noticed a distinct difference in the
appearance of my house of worship. Ahh... the decor of the Star Wars
universe coating most of the available window space. Then I opened the
door and the strains of the Main Title from the soundtrack (worth the $25
for the limited edition) was blaring through the speakers. My friend
Willy promptly dropped to his knees and shouted "I have reached my
Mecca!" My sentiments would have been similar, but I could not even
speak. The combination of these two ethereal entities overcame me. GET
THEE TO THE BELL!!!!!!!
The above paragraph was a response to this post:
>>I just had a great idea ! If we posted *all* the off-topic stuff to a
>>more appropriate mailinglist or newsgroup, there would be enough room
>>on this list to actually talk about DREAM THEATER ! Yes, for real !!!
>>That would kick some major ass, wouldn't it ? It would even "rule" !
>>We could discuss DT-lyrics, or how we got into their music... As for the immortal Saigon Kick, please don't refer to Water as
wimpy. I went to see them live before I had bought this CD: they kicked
ass and they were amazing, then I got the CD and was even more amazed. I
like to see a band branch out in new directions and some of the songs
that many would consider wimpy (Water, I Love You, Sgt. Steve) have some
incredible textural qualities. Devil in the Details seemed like an
attempt to bring those textural qualities closer to the heavy end of
their spectrum. Afraid, Flesh and Bone, and Russian Girl are awesome, and
the Intro track is the best opener of any CD I have (yes, I do mean ANY
CD).
The ACoS mix: I liked the mix and production on this with the
exception the previously noted snare drum sound. The opening balls and
chunk riff is the best DT has written (the riff, IMHO) and the section
where they change time, tempo, and groove a la Gates of Delirium (Yes)
blows me away every time. I'll get back to you on the time index for
that.
A G3 LIVE ALBUM!!!!! Someone help me up, please! This was the
single best concert I ever saw or will ever see. A live Cool #9 is worth
the disc price alone! Joe is GOD!
My holy trinity: Joe Satriani, George Lucas, and whoever founded
Taco Bell! Now if I could only manage to make that a sextet with the
Packers, Red Sox, and The Simpsons... Maybe get Famke Jannsen, Neve
Campbell, and Sandra Bullock in there...
THE PACKERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN FINALLY CELEBRATE A
CHAMPIONSHIP FOR ONE OF MY TEAMS!!!!! NEXT YEAR: RED SOX WIN THE
SERIES!!!! As if.
Andrew,
_____________________
When the music stops,
There's only the sound of the rain...
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:42:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater Translations!
Message-ID: <199701271644.IAA14941@pawn.ax.com>
>
> Hey.... I was just sitting around here pondering on the lyrics to a
> few DT songs and I thought it might make a good thread: The Dream Theater
> Translations! That's right folks, I want to translate DT's lyrics from
> Prog-Speak to contemporary American English. Basically I thought it would
> be neat to see what differing views people have on the meanings of Dream
> Theater songs. We'll do this like a contest... like Visual Music.
> Basically, you translate a song and don't tell anyone the title. If you did
> well, people should be able to tell the song title pretty quickly. If not....
> This could be a pretty cool tool to help people see the meanings of
> the songs if the lyrics seem a bit too vague for them. If this thread
> sucks, or has already been done, let me know. :) Otherwise, join in!
I think it would be even cooler if the translation was in ebonics.
Any takers? (Bafu?)
- Al
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:18:13 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rock Discipline Video
Message-ID: <32ECF165.25EC@caribe.net>
Can anyone who owns JP's Rock Discipline Video and is willing to make
me a copy ( i cant shell out 50$ for it rigt now) please email me.. we
can trade something (i have very special stuff)
--
Increasingly the mathematics will demand the courage
to face its implications-Ian Malcolm
mailto:calfaro@Caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
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