YTSEJAM Digest 2235
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Lip Synching
by eckie@asu.edu
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2234
by Tim <axe@mail1.nai.net>
3) beavis and butthead
by lilmikey@creighton.edu
4) Re: Opinions and Metal Church
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
5) stuff
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
6) fred pickups in the neck and other horrors
by WildKoba@aol.com
7) Built to Spill?
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
8) Re: fred pickups in the neck and other horrors
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
9) DT rap
by eckie@asu.edu
10) a week old review
by WildKoba@aol.com
11) Well...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
12) To anti-Type-O-Negativity....
by Big.Swifty@twav.com
13) MegaFaq
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
14) NDTC- Marillion fans only!
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
15) Lip Synching and the jam
by Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
16) Re: Type O and goth stuff
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
17) Re: Type O and goth stuff
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:30:00 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Lip Synching
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970128212614.24165A-100000@general2.asu.edu>
> All of this talk about lip synching (Bush, Motley Crue, entire Superbowl
> Halftime Show) has got me sort of depressed. Could this be the end of
> true live performance as we know it? How can anyone respect a band that
> fakes it live instead of just getting up there and kicking ass? That's
> why I love DT- not only do they PERFORM their music, but they mess
> around with the arrangements of a lot of their songs just to keep the
> music fresh (not that it would ever get old anyways). This was
> especially evident during the Fix For 96 shows. Hopefully, when the new
> album comes out, DT will save the (music) world!
>
> -Jon Dery
No $#!+. It's bad enuff that Bush can't play a song with more than one
chord, that they have to LIPSYNC to the friggin' thing. It kinda makes
ya wonder....does NIN lipsync live performances? With the midi
already taking care of the instruments, and the vocalists lipsyncing,
bands will require LESS talent to sell the "next big thing."
:P
I'm just bitter. I was sleeping through the AMA last night, and I missed
Metallifuckin'A.
~Eckie
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:53:13 -0500
From: Tim <axe@mail1.nai.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2234
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970128235310.006a8d04@pop1.nai.net>
A Scanned picture of Chris Collins?
Give me about a week, and I can email it to you.
I've got a great Majesty press kit that included
2 8x10 black and white glossy's of the band
(with chris collins) which i will scan if I
can locate them (in my messy den)...
.Tim
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:15:54 -0600 (CST)
From: lilmikey@creighton.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: beavis and butthead
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.970128230900.928A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>
hello all
i was channel surfing the other day and i saw a comercial for the new
season of beavis and butthead...in the background you can hear some
music...now at first i thought i was hearing things but thn i saw the
comercial again and well it sounds exactly like a part of the drum solo in
the Mind Control bootleg...can anyone tell me if that is actually part of
a dream theater song or was mike portnoy and john petrucci borrowing from
some other song???
thanks
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:47:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions and Metal Church
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970129004519.13702A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
First off, I want to thank Mike Bahrr for responding without an ounce of
defensiveness to my TON attack. It really wasn't an attack, I just really
dislike them and wanted to make that known to people gathering opinions.
And... Can someone tell me about Metal Church? I slobber of great guitar
work and I think I heard some from Metal Church before the last Metalica
show. Please inlighten me. Be well.
Matt B
"The dead are rarely violent." (Shawn Rosenheim, Asst. Prof. Williams College)
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:54:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <199701290554.AAA13603@cliff.cris.com>
Durnik wrote,
> Shit, I can't think of anything MORE appropriate to post here! :)
>They might as well call this list the YtseBoot. After all, who all here
>has NOT heard the Xmas '95 Birch Hill show? Raise hands? Yup, that's about
>what I figured.
Um... why am I the only one with a hand in the air? Don't tell me I'm the
only one. Am I?
Regarding Type O Negative, I'd like to thank Mr. Bahr for having posted on
this topic a few months ago. I had never heard any of their stuff, and a
friend repeatedly claimed that "they suck". But having read his review and
description of how they've evolved to generate such a success as October
Rust, I had to buy it. So I did, and so I love it. Which reminds me...
One of my first impressions after listening to October Rust, is the similar
atmospheric quality as that of the Cocteau Twins, and The Cure. For those of
you looking to expand musical horizons even more, I highly recommend these
two artists. I shouldn't need to comment on The Cure considering how widely
known they are, but if you're looking for a starting place, I'd point to
"Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me", and "Disintegration". Working backwards
chronologically works well from there, with each step being a small one into
their history. Their older stuff is quite different from their more recent
stuff, as is typical of most bands.
And as far as Cocteau Twins is concerned, they possess some of the same
ethereal quality as is contained in "October Rust", minus the edge and the
deep male voice. They have a female singer who doubles her vocal parts most
of the time with unison or a third. The lyrics, surprisingly enough, are in
English, but are next to impossible to understand. I had once heard that
they don't write lyrics, and simply sing syllables to sound like some
unknown language, but I was since shown otherwise. I recommend starting with
"Heaven Or Las Vegas", "Blue Bell Knoll", and "Four Calendar Cafe", in that
order. If those are appealing, then working backwards into their releases is
the next step.
If any other Jammers are also into these two band like I am, I'd be happy to
hear about it, so I don't feel so alone.
By the way, I'm proud to announce the arrival of the following CD's to my
collection: Spock's Beard, "The Light"; Spock's Beard, "Beware of Darkness";
Angra, "Holy Land"; Eldritch, "Seeds of Rage"; Symphony-X, s/t.
My thanks to who make the Jam what it is: a resource.
Onward...
-Rick Audet
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:55:22 -0500 (EST)
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fred pickups in the neck and other horrors
Message-ID: <970129004824_1893605844@emout11.mail.aol.com>
seeing all this talk about pickups had me wondering.....does anyone have a
fred on their neck? that must sound interesting, to say the least. it seems
like so much a bridge pickup....i have it on my satch guitar on the bridge,
and it just hurts the brain. mine is a little warmer than most freds (i have
the mahogany, no-trem js model6), and it's neato. on my perverted ibanez, i
just ordered the air norton and steve's special in homage to my man jp. to
close it off i added an hs-2 (i think- i forget). add a little coil splitter,
and hey! you got anal rape in the house.
dimarzio just released their 97 catalog, and it's got cool stuff, including
an interview with petrucci.
as for duncans, some of them are cool, but at the same time, i just can't dig
em. had a 59 on my neck (humfucker) and it was so sweet, i thought i was
brian may for a while, but i like the norton better now.
ytsegoon
****************************************************************
david yoichi kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"until the circle breaks and wisdom lies ahead, the faithful live awake, the
rest remain misled."
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:57:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries)
Subject: Built to Spill?
Message-ID: <199701290557.AAA07295@grex.cyberspace.org>
Has anyone heard Built to Spill? Rolling Stone described them as
Progressive Rock, also saying Rick Wakeman would nod his head and say,
"There one of us."
-me
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:16:29 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: fred pickups in the neck and other horrors
Message-ID: <199701290627.XAA16556@cyberhighway.net>
> seeing all this talk about pickups had me wondering.....does anyone have a
> fred on their neck? that must sound interesting, to say the least. it seems
It was always my assumption that FREDs were more of a neck pickup,
even though DM makes them for either, I'd rather prefer the warmer
pickup in the neck and the dirty one in the bridge. (shrug) Throw a
Fast Track 2 or something in the mid so you get 3 humbuckers. Kinduv
overkill, but I like it. :)
> dimarzio just released their 97 catalog, and it's got cool stuff, including
> an interview with petrucci.
An didya notice how they put his pic in the single coil section of
the cat? I thought that was funny considering he doesn't use em
(interferes with his picking, ya know). Kewl red eyes in the pick,
but I'm afraid those huge zippers'll scratch that lovely guitar there
John. :)
> of Darkness"; Angra, "Holy Land"; Eldritch, "Seeds of Rage";
> Symphony-X, s/t.
I can't believe how many bands and CDs this jam has gotten me into.
I swear half of last years income went to supporting my musical
addictiong (in fact, I know it did). Anyone know a good place to
find these Symphony-X, Eldritch, and Angra's Angels Cry CDs to help
contribute to my delinquency? Which do I need to order import and
which are domestic? I tried Angels Cry on import today and all that
was there was Holy Land (which I got and it's excellent, A+).
BTW, Bernd, everytime I listen to Behind, the more I like it. This
is just too damn kewl.
Laterz!
KorgX3 NOT The "Other" Ibanez (anymore)
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
"Well, I try to write music that Indiana Jones would listen to."
--David Arkenstone
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:22:18 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT rap
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970129001744.3827C-100000@general4.asu.edu>
Heya everybody! I don't post much on here all on account of my crap ass
server. It's pretty moody and won't let me post on the jam sometimes,
but that's not what I'm "waisting bandwidth" for in this post....
It seems our good buddy Vince found a "Jive" machine, wherein you can
submit any number of phrases, sentences, or in this case, songs, and get
the "jive" translation. Is this the first major technological leap for
Ebonics? Who knows....
You all should enjoy this one. I just pray Vince didn't send it to the
jam before I did. Read on, and live prosperously.
And feed your caribou.
~Eckie
>Subject, dig dis: "Lie"
>
>"Lie"
>Dream Deater
>
>Dayboogie
>At da damn bottom uh a lake
>It's some hundred degrees ah' can't breade
>And ah' won't git out
>'till ah' figure it out
>Dought I'm weak likes ah' can't recon'
>So ya' tell me "trust me" ah' can trust ya'
>Just let me show ya'
>But ah' gotsta wo'k it out in some shadow uh doubt
>'cause ah' duzn't know if ah' know ya'
>
>Doin' fine but duzn't wuzte mah' time
>Tell me whut it be ya' wanna say
>You's sin, ya' win, plum let me in - hurry
>I've been out in foodspoon de rain all day
>So ya' tell me "trust me" ah' can trust ya'
>As far as ah' can drow ya'
>And I'm tryin' t'get out uh a shadow uh doubt
>'cause ah' duzn't know if ah' know ya'
>
>Cho'us, dig dis:
>Don't tell me ya' wants'ed me
>Don't tell me ya' dought uh me
>I won't, ah' swear ah' won't
>(Did)
>I'll try, ah' swear I'll try
>(Lie)
>
>Moda' Mary quite contrary
>Kiss de boys and make dem wary
>Din's are gittin' plum a little bit scary
>It's some wonda' I kin still breade
>Neva' been much uh a doubtin' Domas
>But nodin' boogies likes some bugger'd promise
>You's tell me about yo' two mo'e comin'
>But once be plum enough fo' me
>Repeat Cho'us
>I had gotsten used t'bein' some soul destroyed
>She comes in apparently t'fill de void
>All dogs need some leash and
> At least I'll fo'get it
>And she would neva' hurt me dough
> She's neva' said it
>But I'm not gonna ax' ha' today
>I duzn't wanna scare ha' away, oh
>Yo' town, I'm all alone
>And ah' plum can't stare at da damn phone
>I wanna rapp about lifelong mis snatch'd
>and ya' kin tell yo' stepfada' I said so
>Repeat Cho'us
>
>=========
>greetin'
>JIBE at da Department uh Computa' Science, University uh Zurich
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:38:49 -0500 (EST)
From: WildKoba@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: a week old review
Message-ID: <970129004815_1421050964@emout08.mail.aol.com>
hi there.....i meant to get this out about a week ago, but i've been a bit
busy.
i saw annie haslam live at the bottom line in nyc, on the 18th. she was the
lead singer of the 70s band renaissance, a phenomenal (one of the best) but
oft-overlooked band from the art rock era. they were the first rock band to
play carnegie hall, and did with the ny philharmonic.
anyways, she did 2 sets, of which i was at the first one. great opening band
called the nudes. folky cellist/guitar duo.....
annie herself came on playing mostly new solo material....not bad, but i
never really dug it. mentioned a piece she did with steve howe that;s coming
out on an album soon....
she was great with the audience, cracking jokes and all. the best was when
she introduced the drummer, he was forced to come out and do his "trick" for
the crowd. he came up to the mic, spoke, then proceeded to sing renaissance
classic "carpet of the sun".....backwards! yes, backwards!!!!! funny shit.
her band sounded great. young guys (made me think of cher with her pretty boy
band). drummer was awesome. reminded me of manu katche, who i worship over
even portnoy (gasp! don't hate me, please).
anyway, she finished the set with 2 old renaissance songs, "the prince and
the princess" from "scheherazade, and "ashes are burning", which was
particularly amazing.
all in all, a great show, and i only wish i had the 17.50 to go to the 2nd
set. alas. she also said that there will be a new release of renaissance-
from the king biscuit flower hour, it's a live at the royal albert hall
album. features the london symphony orchestra, and it will be in 2 volumes,
released in feb. and march. i urge anyone who knows not of what i speak go
check an album of theirs out, particularly "prologue", "ashes are burning",
"turn of the cards" and "scheherazade and other stories."
ok. there. if anyone else has seen her recently and beento the 2nd set.
please email me- i'd like to know what she played. thanks.
ytsegoon
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david kobayashi
wildkoba@aol.com
bd91014@binghamton.edu
"my yellow in this case is not so mellow, in fact, i'm trying to say it's
frightened like me. and all of these emotions of mine keep holding me from
giving my life to a rainbow like you...." -j. hendrix
"through nature's inflexible grace, i'm learning to live." - j. myung
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:47:03 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Well...
Message-ID: <199701290747.AAA120370@kitts.u.arizona.edu>
At 11:27 PM 1/28/97 -0800, you wrote:
>It seems our good buddy Vince found a "Jive" machine, wherein you can
Actually, someone posted the e-mail address for this "jive" e-mail
program on the Ytsejam a few days ago. I was just putting it to the test.
E-mail me if you want to see some more of these (senseless pieces of....) ;)~
Laterz,
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: 29 Jan 1997 03:32:20 CDT
From: Big.Swifty@twav.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To anti-Type-O-Negativity....
Message-ID: <199701290837.AAA20095@pawn.ax.com>
YT>From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
YT>Subject: Re: Type O
YT>is terrible IMO. They're a bunch of wanabe goth players. I think the
YT>keyboardist is the only one with tallent. Their lyrics are so fucking
YT>pretensive. If you want true quality goth metal, try My Dying Bride.
YT>The lead guitar work isn't great, but it's absolutely wonderful. As for
YT>Type O, anyone who says "loving you is like fuckin' the dead" is obviously
YT>not too skilled a lyricist. Be well.
YT>Matt B
Ok, Matt - you're officially astray, in my book. Books are much more
significant than opinions, because they're permanent;) I hate the fact
that you don't like ToN, because even though they're not a proggish-type
band, they still capture my attention (no mean feat). There's something
there that is not ordinary, but it's not obvious on first, second, or
even tenth listen. It's there, though, and I'm still trying to figure
out exactly what it is.
However, judging from the 100 or so posts from your FAQ-ignoring
personage during the last month, you should not be attacking the lingual
output of Peter Steele! Thank you.
Drink more beer - it raises your tolerance for everything!
Mark Peters - big.swifty@twav.com
http://www.twav.com/swifty/index.htm
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:01:49 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MegaFaq
Message-ID: <199701290908.JAA36057@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 01/28/97 8:43pm -0800
Hi everyone,
Time for my usual blurb about the Megadeth Faq. It's updated
again and also in the newsgroups (check alt.rock.n.roll.metal,
alt.rock.n.roll.heavy and finally, the megadeth one)
I never realized how big the damn thing is, so, if you don't
want to recieve it through email, head to my web page and read
the text version there. The Web page version isn't updated
yet, because I'm making a new web page for it. If ya want a
copy, by private email only please.
Mark
*You must unlearned, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned
something. - Yoda, Star Wars
*I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets
*You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars
Check out the Megadeth Faq:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/FRONT.HTM
My Page:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/INDEX.HTM
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 03:52:10 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: NDTC- Marillion fans only!
Message-ID: <199701291152.DAA00152@ms.kallback.com>
Sorry for the NDTC, but I know there are a lot of marillion fans on the jam.
If you are a big marillion fan, but not on their list, and want to see them
tour the US, especially the west coast, read on..
The marillion fans are putting together a fund to supplement marillion's
touring the US.
They are pledging as much as possible (50 to 200 per person usually).
If interested, email me privately at trevorw@kallback.com. and I will foward
it to the right place.
You don't need to send money now, only if this plan comes together.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:22:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Anthony G LaSorsa <agls@christa.unh.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Lip Synching and the jam
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91a.970129091118.20132A@christa.unh.edu>
Hello all! I just read the last jam, (2234) and someone spoke about
Motley Crue lip synching at the AMA. The only reason that I could think
of why Motley Crue would do that is because the AMA is such a planned out
program. The band can't be too loud, or swear, or anything, because its
on TV and whatnot. I'm sure that the Crue would really play if they were
on their own turf (their own concert).
And lastly, I see all these people complaining about some of the threads
that come up. Yes, most of them don't have to do with Dream Theater, but
that's because nothing is really going on with our favorite band. When
their new album comes out, everybody will send in their opinions of the
disc and reviews of concerts which they saw. We all like DT, and
consequently similar bands and styles, so that's why there is talk of QR,
Rush, Marillon, Altura, etc, etc. This jam has helped me get in touch
with a lot of people that have certain music that I don't. I've traded
tapes with people, and have finally located someone that has live videos
of another one of my favorite bands. The information going through the
jam is great. With the Van Halen thing, the story broke hear and there
on the the jam and the internet like three months before MTV said a word
about it. This jam F*%king rules!!
Dt rocks. (DTC) :)
Tony
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:45:32 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Type O and goth stuff
Message-ID: <0mvq_A200YUg03jHM0@andrew.cmu.edu>
i don't know much about type o negative, although i've been meaning to
give them a listen... however, i just want to remind you all that if
you're looking for good goth metal, well, Braindance! Braindance!
I also agree that My Dying Bride is very good, but their latest album,
"The Angel And The Dark River," is just way too repetitive... the
music is cool, but the repetitivity bored me. i don't see why people
like repetitivity so much... especially a band that is as capable as
they are. oh well.
William (wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu) http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/~wb2a/
======================================================================
if you could see me all would stop * you would feel my power
and when you feed me i will spark * i will start a fire
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:59:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Type O and goth stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970129095845.1034B-100000@unix17.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, William T Bajzek wrote:
> i don't know much about type o negative, although i've been meaning to
> give them a listen... however, i just want to remind you all that if
> you're looking for good goth metal, well, Braindance! Braindance!
>
Type 0 did some cool stuff on the Descent 2 soundtrack.
-max
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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