YTSEJAM Digest 2684
Today's Topics:
1) re: Advice needed on Superior and Shadow Gallery
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
2) machine names
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
3)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
4) CD recommendation, no, a CD force-feeding
by cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2683
by Ack! <stu3801@sun.CC.westga.edu>
6) Eternity-X (no merlo content)
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
7) New DT
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) Politeness, Malmsteen, Solution, Wagener, Dr. Mosh
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
9) DT Bits...
by "DJW" <DJW_at_NEON@smtpgate.walker.com>
10) Chromakey
by Yanos Aldron <yanos@netwiz.net>
11) Re: Politeness, Malmsteen, Solution, Wagener, Dr. Mosh
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) KX Acoustic Spirits, and Dokken Maze
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
13) Re: Chris Merlo...
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
14) Re: elevator sex
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
15) Progressive Black Metal
by "KUBA RUTKOWSKI" <JRUTKO@sgh.waw.pl>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2681
by "KUBA RUTKOWSKI" <JRUTKO@sgh.waw.pl>
17) Mika Numminen (???) NDTC
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2682
by Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
19) Chromakey
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:09:45 -0700
From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Advice needed on Superior and Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <01BC8673.DFA31820@localhost>
>Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 01:31:39 -0400 (EDT)
>From: JE78674@ltu.edu
>To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
>Subject: Advice needed on Superior and Shadow Gallery
>Message-ID: <01IKQRUTVRB68WW31R@LTU.EDU>
>Hey Jammers...like the subject suggests, I can use some help here. I
>recently heard a clip of music from both of these groups and was intrigued
>enough to want to purchase some of their music. Now as far as I know,
>Shadow Gallery has only the one CD that is found in the Working Man
tribute
>liner note, released by Magna Carta....am I right? As for Superior, I
>have no clue. Can someone tell me or better yet mail me a listing of
>all their disks as well as the one(s) recommended most? I would really
>appreciate this as I am hoping to broaden my Progressive Horizons beyond
>Rush/DT/Fates Warning..........also, I heard several people on here
praising
>Marillion...if anyone cares to share, what's their collection and sound
like?
>Well, that's about it, I hope one Jammer or another can help me out here.
I have not heard Superior, but I have heard Shadow Gallery, and I highly
recommend their albut "Carved In Stone." Very entertaining, and if you like
DT, you will probably like this. Marillion is another good band, though
their style is very different from Rush/DT/Fates Warning. They're more
progressive, and not nearly as metal oriented. They are one of my favorite
bands, in fact my all time favorite album is their "Misplaced Childhood." I
have reviews of SG, Marillion and other bands CD's on my website listed
below. Hope this helps.
DT - Pixel Planet
Reviews of CG software, books, programming tools, games, CDs and more!
http://www.pixelplanet.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 02:26:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: machine names
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970702022239.29113A-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 07:20:18 +0200
> From: Sebastjan Videc <Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si>
> Subject: abusing email addresses...
>
> As far as I know, this "griffin.emba.uvm.edu" is Pat Griffins domain at
> the university, and as far as I know, he's home for holidays...
> So it's very likely that someone is using this domain for shaking the
> #jam...
> Could be, but what do I know!!!
Just wanted to clear this up...
The machine that I log into (now) for e-mail is a machine called griffin,
on the engineering, mathematics, and business administration (emba)
network, at the University of Vermont (uvm.edu). Yes, Pat's last name is
Griffin, but he goes to the University of Missouri, not Vermont.
And, if you remember correctly, it was Dream Theater that was Home for the
Holidays, back in December of '95. Pat wasn't even at those shows. :)
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:56:18 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Message-ID: <199707020656.IAA03600@ravian.globalxs.nl>
Marillion kicks DT's ass up and down, left and right.
Mark :-)
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 97 02:51:52 -0400
From: cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Subject: CD recommendation, no, a CD force-feeding
Message-ID: <9707020651.AA01422@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
I just bought the new CD by Downtrodden Warrior, 'Slidin', and I must
say, this is one hell of a disc. It's definitely prog, more along
the lines of Dream Theater's Awake progression than I&W. Yet they
don't sound like a DT clone, like many bands out there.
I also just got the Eternity-X sampler in the mail. I honestly think
it's terrible. It has the worst lyrics I've ever seen, and the
vocals are terrible as well. The band itself is decent, at most.
-d
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cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn
d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 03:10:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ack! <stu3801@sun.CC.westga.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2683
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970702031011.22110B-100000@sun>
HOW DO I GET OFF THIS MAILING LIST?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 00:18:51 -0700
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Eternity-X (no merlo content)
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970702071851Z-624@ms.Kallback.com>
>I also just got the Eternity-X sampler in the mail. I honestly think
>it's terrible. It has the worst lyrics I've ever seen, and the
>vocals are terrible as well. The band itself is decent, at most.
To each, his own.
I really liked it and ordered 2 of their cd's.
I suggest getting the sampler (it's free!) and then deciding.
my $.02,
Trevor
>
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 03:22:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New DT
Message-ID: <199707020722.DAA27880@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Help!
I need another Fix. Can someone tell me via private email where I can
download some soundfiles of any post-ACoS Dt material? Oh, and a player I
can run in Windows 3.1 would be nice too.
thanks,
Steve Z
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 00:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Vespres <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Politeness, Malmsteen, Solution, Wagener, Dr. Mosh
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970702003020.40526C-100000@dante12.u.washington.edu>
> From: Elizondo <rodeliz@sauce.cmact.com>
> Subject: cancel subscription
>
> Ytsejam:
> We don't want to receive your email anymore. Thanks
> Rodeliz@sauce.cmact.com
This is the sort of politeness that really doesn't belong on the 'jam.
There are more abrasive ways to say this. Read the FAQ.
---- > From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: Showmen and Showing off > > I applaud you for being able to maintain a steady volume over a whole > concert. Are you taking vocal lessons from JL?Close. Mike Bahr.
> No guitarist should have to deal with this "arrogant" stereotype unless > he says in a Swedish accent, "I am ze greatest geetarist in ze vorld."
Sounds like you're referring to Yngwie Malmsteen, and that's downright unfair because he's not here to defend himself. Probably because he thinks he's too good for the Internet. Cocky bastard.
---- > From: eckie@asu.edu > Subject: A Solution! > > There will be no more political correctness. Your feelings will be > hurt. You will be offended. Bafu Vai will not make any more sense than > he does now. THis is not a warning, but the facts of life.
Sounds good, especially when clouds rake away loud harvest does.
> Every body will post using D-man's .sig file, and everybody will select > a gender and sexuality to post in. I find it easiest to post as a > heterosexual male, personally.
Omnisexual androgyn.
---- > From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) > Subject: MEGADETH,RATT and Jerusalem Slim > > Yeah,yeah! Michael hates this album for heavy metalish guitar sound and > metalic arrangement. Michael Wagner (known as his work with Dokken,Skid > Row,Testament, Accept etc....) did produce this sound. And I like this > rotator for Steven's Metallic Guitar Work.
Hey hey hey, let's not forget Michael Wagener's work with Extreme ("Pornograffitti") and White Lion ("Big Game").
Well yesterday I met the one and only Dr. Mosh. You guys probably didn't know that HE'S GAY.
Actually, I'm not sure what his preference/orientation/curse/blessing is, but he's one hell of a Street Fighter player. We tried out SF3 at the new Wizards of the Coast here in Seattle, and he picked up the new characters like buttah (not that it's easy to pick up butter, but Mosh learned FAST). We played, he beat me, then he gave me two tokens so I could play again, then I beat him, then I gave him two tokens so he could play again. Then he beat me, and we were both out of tokens. We went 2-1, but it turns out that Dr. Mosh is a former Street Fighter champion, so I felt pretty good whippin' his butt for that one match.
Plus I now know Dr. Mosh's real name. It's Jeremy Haynes.
If you're reading this and you're the person who's impersonating Chris Merlo, e-mail me.
Bafu Vai
p.s. Yun is a radical combination of Fei Long, Guy, and Gen. Ibuki is a streamlined jackrabbit spawned of Guile, Chun Li, and Adon. If you ever meet me, I'll be playing one of these two characters, so start practicing NOW.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 08:44:58 PDT From: "DJW" <DJW_at_NEON@smtpgate.walker.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Bits... Message-ID: <9706028678.AA867829980@smtpgate.walker.com>
Last one - I promise (I could always break every DT song down into small phrases and post for the rest of my life...) The riff leading upto and chugging under "Listening to the city..." in Learning To Live. Too cool, Dave (a UK Jammer).
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 00:52:19 -0700 From: Yanos Aldron <yanos@netwiz.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chromakey Message-ID: <33BA08B3.9E7@netwiz.net>
Somebody asked if Kev has put out anything other than the 3 song demo and the answer is yes and no...yes, there is other material, 14 songs in total, but he never officially released anything to the public besides the 3 on the demo.
What are these 14 songs? FYI: Song For Tori Slither Blanket Hollow Roll Away the Stone (there is a "sentimental mix" out there too) Shallow Normal Words Nora Even the Waves Sun Orange, Small On the Page Sounds Like Watercolor Chromakey Almost Open
All of these are really good and its a shame Kev hasn't released more than he has...as per his words, this is his old material that was never meant to get as widely distributed as it did and he wants to move on from this work.
Cheers-
yanos http://www.netwiz.net/~yanos
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 02:27:03 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Politeness, Malmsteen, Solution, Wagener, Dr. Mosh Message-ID: <199707020927.CAA21347@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "S. Borzilleri" said: > > >Well yesterday I met the one and only Dr. Mosh. You guys probably didn't >know that HE'S GAY. >
I would like to clear this up by saying besides Bafu, the only other sexual playthings I enjoy are small furry farm animals...
>Plus I now know Dr. Mosh's real name. It's Jeremy Haynes.
SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 02:55:38 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KX Acoustic Spirits, and Dokken Maze Message-ID: <199707020955.CAA23045@goodnet.com>
The Maze... now that's a really cool song. Structured well, written interestingly enough, and harmonized totally well. In fact most of "dysfunctional" is better than I thought it would be. Very much like Dogman overall, minus the spirituality. And the ELP cover is great.
DT is still in the studio. You all probably guessed it, but I can confirm it as of today. :)
I finished the master disc for King's X Acoustic Spirits. The liners are already on order so this one will beat the release date by quite a margin. The master disc makes me happier than any other master I've ever created. It's literally flawless... it's 100% faithful to the master tapes, which were themselves of excellent quality, and there are no technical problems. Plus the performances thereon are so emotional, positive, and upbeat, that it will probably occupy my truck CD player for some weeks to come. Here's the final for everyone...
- Faith acoustic suite - Shot of Love 3.31 It's Love 4.04 Summerland 3.58 Everybody Knows a Little Bit of Something 5.46 Goldilox 5.18 Over My Head w/extended jam 10.05 The Difference: In The Garden of St. Anne's on the Hill 5.02 - Hope electric suite - What Is This? 3.45 Out of the Silent Planet 5.42 Summerland 3.25 Fall On Me 4.06 - Love acoustic suite - The Difference 3.28 I'll Never Get Tired of You 3.51 We Are Finding Who We Are 5.02
Faith - from Jackson, MS, 1991 Hope - from London, England, 1990 Love - from Austin, TX, 1991
Notes: I couldn't get Ear Candy soundboard material, and everything else was soundboard, so I went for consistency and quality. Also, the show segments presented here are complete inasmuch as they are the full parts of those shows that are documented. The two redundant tracks are different enough performances to make the listen a very pleasurable one, and I thought it was best to include all of that (and thus complete the show segments) rather than to try and squeeze another shorter segment on. Thus, there's still more I'll be using in the future on KX discs. The performances of Goldilox and Difference from Jackson are perhaps the best of each I've ever heard.
Anyway there's a full new update on my page, and also every single catalog entry has been updated in some way (even if it's just a dirt cleanup HTML-wise) so you all may want to look at that. Especially if you're needing any Acoustic Dreams or Subcon or so forth.
Also, CDs for sale... (2) copies remain: Megadeth "Razing Arizona" bootleg. $25 each (1) copies remain: Dream Theater "Fix for 96" double CDR. $40 (1) copies remain: Dream Theater "Carpe Diem" (sold out!). $35
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:31:16 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Chris Merlo... Message-ID: <19970701.224829.8558.13.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Well, you've all read Chris's post by now. I think for the >first time in a while, I can honestly say I didn't see _that_ coming. :)
Uh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh............................
He said coming. };-)
Scott
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:33:29 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: elevator sex Message-ID: <19970701.224829.8558.14.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Um to quote Motley Crue in "10 Seconds to Love" from the Shout at the >Devil cd (which is a darn fine cd!): >"Touch my gun but don't pull my trigger. Let's make history in the >elevator."
Lock the door, shine my pistol some more. Here I come just ten seconds more!
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:05:46 EST From: "KUBA RUTKOWSKI" <JRUTKO@sgh.waw.pl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Progressive Black Metal Message-ID: <71D8211F51@elpis.sgh.waw.pl>
> Subject: New Bands that are awsome
> One of my good friends named Tarek has showed me some new bands resently = > and they are unbeliveable...(is that spelled right):) > Anyway......This band called Cradle of Filth, a truely amazing band, = > blew me away. Im a drummer so i can play most stuff (including DT) but = > this is a totally different style. Well this happened about a year ago = > and now i can play this type of music, well in a primative way, and i = > love this music.
[sorry for my bad grammar]
Hello, It's great that there some men who listen not only to prog.-power. I must say that modern black metal is completely different from 80's black m. Such bands as Cradle Of Filth, Arcturus, Emperor, Gehenna, Dimu Borgir, Lymbonic Art are the new, wonderful wave of BM. More and more bands are using not only enlarged keyb's but also real symphony orchestras! These bands consist of talented, professional members. Black metal still develops and it's fantastic because fans have more music which they can listen to. I also wish to pay your attention to melodic-progressive death metal band like In Flames(the second album "The Jester Race"). The vocalist is using "growling" and guitars are very heavy but music is beautiful and with a progressives's influences. Greetings, Kuba.
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:13:21 EST From: "KUBA RUTKOWSKI" <JRUTKO@sgh.waw.pl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2681 Message-ID: <71F8846FEC@elpis.sgh.waw.pl>
> From: caber1@concentric.net > Subject: Prog band comments, Megadeth revival, my favorite radio station, John's Jumbles > I think Angra's singer sounds close to Zak Stevens(Savatage). I thought > all the Angra's band members are from Brazil. How the hell does this guy > not have *any* accent? Anyway I think the band just average(j/k). Average!?!?! Angra is one of the most wonderful band in the world with a magnificent singer!
Kuba
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:58:23 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mika Numminen (???) NDTC Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970702125823Z-22256@carrier.rd1.bostech.com>
Sorry for the distribution, but I promised to make a tape for jammer Mika Numminen of Sweden and am having trouble e-mailing him. Mika - Are you out there ??
Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:58:16 -0300 (EST) From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2682 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970702094843.2462A-100000@POCAHONTAS>
" It's a fucking shame that people do this kinda stuff. A few weeks ago someone abused *my* email address and flamed me to hell on the Freaks mailinglist (Marillion). The post was VERY insulting and also full of lies... But the worst thing was that people thought it was me, trying to be funny in a fucked up sorta way... In addition, dozens of my IRC and email friends got the post as PRIVATE email too (instead of just throught the mailinglist). I spent *three* fucking evenings answering email from people who asked me what the HELL was going on ! Anyway... This guy ended up being BANNED FROM THE LIST, because of his actions. He was the FIRST ever person to get banned from the list in the eight years that it's been around.
My point is *ABUSING SOMEONE'S EMAIL ADDRESS IS NOT A FUCKING JOKE !*"
Hey Marc you just said what I should say. This guy/girl also sent me a weird email, and he tried to threat me, and he also signed my guestbook with the same goal. Hey I'm not sure why he is doing this. If I offended him/her ok, I give give you my excuses, but I will be better if this guy were banned from this list and also from ytsejam mailing list. ANd there is D-Man's problem too. CAn you all see how many problems we got in this list, when we should only have fun with?I will not give more my url here, and I have plans to change it, because my home page is not perfect, its not good enough, but it's mine!!!!And I wish only my friends going there. I'm sure this guy is not.
Daniel V.Gomes (Aragorn)
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:01:28 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Chromakey Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970702130128Z-22261@carrier.rd1.bostech.com>
>> DT content: (sorta) Has anything come from Chromakey since >> the 3 song demo tape?
Rumor has it that that panty sniffing clown from Binghamton has ..... Sorry, the devil made me do it.
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