YTSEJAM Digest 2682
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Give me Japanese CD suggestions!!!
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
2) The hounds will be released in ten minutes...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
3) D-Man/Chromakey
by nightcast@usa.net
4) Clarity
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Re: great DT moments
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
6) a mess of things
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
7) Re: great DT moments
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) DT Moments/RMP signed disc.
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
9) Vowel movements
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
10) Stu Hamm, unsub, and moments...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
11) Abusing someone's email address
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
12) One Thing; How true; Tyranny by Shadow Gallery
by caber1@concentric.net
13) Adventures with Bafu
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) Angra... accent?
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 00:17:26 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Give me Japanese CD suggestions!!!
Message-ID: <199707011517.AAA32111@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
At 3:46 PM 97.6.30 -0700, Nick Bogovich wrote:
>Jammers,
>
>I have a friend who is staying in Tokyo for the summer, and he
>told me that he would be willing to pick me up almost anything
>I desire. So, I started thinking about what Japanese CDs I wanted,
>and I couldn't think of too many. I have the following CDs from
>Japan:
>
>DT - Awake
>DT - Live at the Marquee
>QR - Best I Can (single)
>QR - Promised Land
>QR - Hear in the Now Frontier
>
>If any jammers have suggestions, please email me at bogie@mit.edu.
>I'm looking for stuff with hard to find tracks.
Sorry. I posted this on 'JAM. As for DT & QR, you've already got all rare
stuff officially available in Japan.
If you tell me about other fav bands except DT & QR, then I can help you out.
>
>Also, if any jammers could suggest any good shops in Tokyo which have
>a good selection of bootlegs, please let me know of the addresses so
>that
>I can tell my friend to check those places out.
Well stocked music stores in Tokyo:
VISIT NISHI-SHINJYUKU,AKIHABARA area. There're a lot of music stores.
mainly you can find Bootlegs in Nishi-Shinjyuku,and rare used discs in
Akihabara.
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:34:12 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The hounds will be released in ten minutes...
Message-ID: <199707011533.AA20735@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
I am the only one who's reading stuff quoted on the jam that I never
remember reading on the jam? I am skimming way too much these days. Oh,
and someone finally corrected me on my sig. I had quoted Empire
incorrectly. Problem solved. I know you don't care.
Whoever you are: leave Merlo be.
KAI:
>Dickinson's Accident of Birth is the best album I have heard in
>probably 5 years.
Ahem... Do the titles Awake and A Change of Seasons mean anything to
you? :) Who am I to talk? The best album I have heard in the last five
years is Satriani...
>> Ahem. That's "FUQING" faq.
>I thought it's the fuqing fack. Oh well.
It's pretty sad when I spend five minutes trying to figure out how the
second guy spelled "fuqing" differently. :P
What the hell is a Dragon*Con?
On Drain:
>Saw them at Ozzfest 8 days ago.
Everyone said they were the band to see at Ozzfest. But of course, they
didn't play at our (NJ's) Ozzfest. DOH!
>From: Beth Elzinga <liz@freenet.macatawa.org>
>To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Hi and defense of metal
And you said you were a newbie? Excellent post. Glad to see someone can
figure how this place is supposed to be without a magnifying glass and a
brain transplant. Pleased to meet you Beth! Now just get rid of that
crap at the end of your messages...:)
And that's all I have to say about 2679. Next up!
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:33:15
From: nightcast@usa.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: D-Man/Chromakey
Message-ID: <ww03-BgaPho2874@netaddress.usa.net>
I'd like to find out who *is* saying that D-man is gay. I myself am
gay and think that the person who's doing it is a REAL asshole. It's
pretty sad when people have to stoop so low to try to give other people a
bad image.
DT content: (sorta) Has anything come from Chromakey since the 3
song demo tape?
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:04:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clarity
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970701102056.15185B-100000@enteract.com>
With the tales of many rumors flying around on this list these
days, I contemplated for many a long hour atop my perch in the treacherous
mountains of Chicagoland, the merit of such a return... through which I
might impart some knowledge of this and that.
For I, in my travels, have come to, by the grace of the gods and
the patience of the Bafu Collective some form of understanding... forged
in the paths of the Dark Hoe. With this new found sense of clarity, I
know the true ways of the universe... energy transfer... opinion
depletion... popular obligation... and the mantra of the highest lords:
"Fuck Off."
Chris Merlo IS gay. He's just a really hairy lesbian.
Take heed all ye who shred! George Bellas, on Shrapnel Records
has released an album with Kevin Chown on bass and Deen playing drums on
several tracks. This is the second coming of Neo Classical, much to some
of your despair. If you want to hear someone tie his fingers in knots and
weasel out some of the most amazing high speed passages ever, check this
album out. I can't recommend it highly enough for fans of Becker, Yngwie,
MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, etc.
And Bafu put it more perfectly than ever I could: "When Steve Vai
has nightmares, they feature music by Ron Thal." I've recommended this
guy for some time. Now you have two people on the list who have always
been very picky about guitar playing, saying "WOW"... just buy his
friggin' albums, for a sick, sick time.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511
http://www.enteract.com (business)
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to
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Date: 01 Jul 97 09:31:23 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: great DT moments
Message-ID: <199707011645.JAA05680@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
Dave wrote:
>there are so many great DT bits (like everything they've ever done!) but how
>about "I'm lying here in bed..." etc in Voices or "Pours his soul into
>the water..." from Lifting Shadows
YES! Both those parts give me chills!
Some more great moments:
->"Dreams are shaking, set sirens waking..." - I love to hear JLB sing this
part. It feels like such a huge ARRIVAL.
->That funky beginning of Scarred - very cool with the bass and volume-pedal
guitar.
->The whole ending to Innocence Faded.
->Every cool instrumental section they've ever done.
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:20:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: a mess of things
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970701123447.24423B-100000@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu>
1) CDA went down in flames last week....surprised no one made a mention of
it on this here forum....or did I just miss it? Net porn for everyone!
2) Finneus gauge: got More Once More, and darnit, I want more!!!
obviously, there's gonna be a echolynesque sound to it, what with
chris buzby at the keyboards........as merlo said a while back, there's a
strong hint of where echolyn's 'sound' came from........
just as obviously, there are differences....FG goes farther along the
fusion path than echolyn did, it's more experimental at spots.....but
that's not a bad thing....
as someone mentioned earlier (either here or on irc last night), the
guitar (Scottt McGill) sounds a bit like Allan Holdsworth at times...that
was the first thing that really struck me.....that, and the female vocals,
which took me a song or two to get past.....
once you get used to buzby style music without ray weston and
brett kull's voices, the vocals are real cool....I've said it before, my
opinion of a vocalist is based on how his/her voice melds with the other
sonic elements....and Laura Martin's vocals go well (for me anyway) with
what's going on in FG's muzak.....
only one complaint i have.....the harmonies are sort of harsh.....but
that's pretty minor....
fave songs after a coupla listens run towards customer service and doogins
(the evil spawn)
fave thing about the album...and the same thing goes for echolyn
music....is the fact that i can airdrum any goldarn pattern i want, upon
any surface, anywhere, and it'll fit right in the music going
on.....e-mail private like if you want an expl. of that sentiment.....
partha
"looking at history from a present tense,
how can you put your faith in man?"
-FG
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:30:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: great DT moments
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970701132313.13749B-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
Here's some of my top DT moments:
--classical guitar section (around 5:30 on CD) of "learning to live"
--ending guitar solo of "lie"
--instrumental section (4:16-8:16) of "metrolpolis"
--"please don't go" ('nuff said)
--keyboard solo of UAGM (around 5:40 I think)
--acoustic section of "voices" (it's just so etheral after the "this is
not reality" part)
There are many others, but these are the ones that just popped in my head.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT Moments/RMP signed disc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970701133213.28010A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
My all time fav DT moment is the last verses of ACoS. The way
JLB sings, "I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset..."
and so on gives me the shivers. There is a sense of finality about it,
but also a sense of satisfaction, because that person knows they have
lived a good life.
Also, apologies for the really bad cut and paste job I did on my
article 2 jams ago, I didn't hack enough out. My apologies.
Anyone get a Rudess/Morgenstern signed disc yet? How does it sound?
-jeremy
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 18:02:54 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vowel movements
Message-ID: <33B9464E.4A7@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Jeremy:
> I'm there for the Danvers Rudess/Morgenstern show, any other
> New England jammers other than Parmet and I gonna be there?
Just got off the phone with Guitar Centah: 7PM show, but he said to get
there early, it's apparently going to be crowded.
I know a great bar in Beverly (one town over) to hit. An extremely
target-rich environment :)
Glen:
> I am worn out from listening!!!! [to RMP in Dallas]
So, it sounds like you're saying we should take the next day off from
work? Good enough for me, Glen :)
Adam:
> Subject: Wilson Phillip Morris
Can I buy a Z, Pat? :)
> Seriously. Monty Python is, as they say, the shit.
Now we see the violence inherent in the system :)
Jonathan:
> I've heard some comparisons with early UK, which makes sense, as
> Scott McGill sounds like the second coming of Alan Holdsworth.
Oh yeah? Hmmm, gonna have check these guys out. Saw Alan at Jonny D's in
Cambridge and, of course, he rocked! At first it sounds like he's
playing in a key that hasn't been invented yet, but somehow he manages
to work it back into what everyone else is playing :)
Douglas:
> DTC:I think Just Let Me Breathe is a real mover and shaker, I hope
> they use it as a single for the forthcoming album.
It's one of the shorter songs. It kicks ass. The song's title kinda
reaches you in a 90's, get the fuck off my back, kinda way. Doug has
picked a winner!
Dave:
> or "Pours his soul into the water..."
Definitely!! I put that song on whenever anyone claims that there's no
emotion in DT's music. Shuts 'em right up :)
Speaking of shutting up....
Jon
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:07:38 -0400
From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stu Hamm, unsub, and moments...
Message-ID: <199707011906.AA09222@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
>Stu seems to get as much, if not more, appreciation for his playing
>than the other guys. It's amazing.
I would attribute this to one of two things: 1) the general concert
going Satch fan has somehow never heard of Stu Hamm (not very likely),
or 2) you think you've seen the guy do it all, then he whips out
something like Moonlight Sonata just to make you reassess your
judgement. I went nuts when I heard this, and its just a fuqing
Beethoven piece. I still can't get Linus and Lucy down...
>take me off of your list please thank you jamie carlson jc81948@ltu.edu
Don't thank me. I don't like you. I just hate you. Don't even know you.
And Mr. Parmet, since I always enjoy contributing to your threads (even
though this one sounds like an NMS rip-off :) ), my favorites moments
include: the Another Hand/Killing Hand segue; the verse in PMU
immediately following the first keyboard solo when it just rams into
overdrive; the last verse before the return to half-time in Surrounded
(Once lost but now I'm found...); that semi-martial drum beat and guitar
line under the first verse of Metropolis gets my stones hard; that
opening reverse rake on The Mirror, the segue from Mirror to Lie; when
JP's guitar comes in on Funeral For A Friend; the "balls and chunk all
in one" riff right after the acoustic opening to ACOS makes my head
start to bang; the "Goodbye" verse of ACOS; that solo on Perfect
Strangers that I'll never have the skills to play; on TLF that palm
muted guitar line after the first verse (at least on live versions);
Eve; Space Dye Vest (the whole damn song); and the keyboard swell and
the subsequent flamenco/classical guitar interlude in LtL always brings
tears to my eyes. How's that for starters? Sorry you asked?:)
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:47:19 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Abusing someone's email address
Message-ID: <01BC8673.E112D4C0@Dukat.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
S. Borzilleri wrote :
>>> From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <Pine.SUN.3.96.970630005524.11608A-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Your honor, we ask that this address line be admitted into the
> evidence-pool as "Exhibit D."
It's a fucking shame that people do this kinda stuff. A few weeks ago
someone abused *my* email address and flamed me to hell on the Freaks
mailinglist (Marillion). The post was VERY insulting and also full of
lies... But the worst thing was that people thought it was me, trying
to be funny in a fucked up sorta way... In addition, dozens of my IRC
and email friends got the post as PRIVATE email too (instead of just
throught the mailinglist). I spent *three* fucking evenings answering
email from people who asked me what the HELL was going on ! Anyway...
This guy ended up being BANNED FROM THE LIST, because of his actions.
He was the FIRST ever person to get banned from the list in the eight
years that it's been around.
My point is *ABUSING SOMEONE'S EMAIL ADDRESS IS NOT A FUCKING JOKE !*
In my opinion :
1. D-Man should mail Skadz an official complaint
2. Skadz should track this person down and :
a. Ban him/her from the Ytsejam
b. Inform his/her ISP, who will probably let him/her off with
a warning (this time).
Maybe this seemed like an innocent prank, but it's not. Just think
about it, someone could be mailing others crap from YOUR address !
Or someone could be mailing YOU, using your FRIEND'S address. It's
obvious that every dumb fuck can do it.
Just something I had to get off my chest.
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>>> WHERE IN THE WORLD IS MARILLION?
>>
>> Right now, they're on tour in Europe.
>
> They must be real fast, because Friday they were here in Brazil....
Hmmm... Maybe I should've paid more attention during geography.
Blame it on the girl sitting next to me for being so damn cute !
Don't ask me any history questions either, btw ;-)
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And finally, once again :
> From: Elizondo <rodeliz@sauce.cmact.com>
> Subject: cancel subscription
>
> Ytsejam:
> We don't want to receive your email anymore. Thanks
> Rodeliz@sauce.cmact.com
Mark :-)
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:12:44 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: One Thing; How true; Tyranny by Shadow Gallery
Message-ID: <33B99CFC.5E98@concentric.net>
And now I'm going to respond to the last 'jam...BACKWARDS! Is that
showing off? :D
> From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
> Well,got to tell ya about BONUS TRACK on "CRYPTIC WRITING" by MEGADETH.
> The Jpn-ver. includes one bonus track titled "One Thing".
Could you go into the song a little more. Is it even close to the other
songs on the rest of the CD, and which one if any?
> From: eckie@asu.edu
> Subject: A Solution!
[snip chop snap crush rip tear grind]
> Instead of labeling music as 'good' or 'bad', we shall use instead the
> terms, 'Sucky' and 'Cool'. Well shall not rate music but instead, the
> posters who support those styles.
Yeah, you're sucky, and I'm nad roking!! ;)
> The guidelines are as follows:
> Anybody into ska and punk: Mainstream close minded idiots.
> Any fans of Metallica and Megadeth, and metal in general: Barbarious
> neanderthal brutes with dysfunctional hearing and lack of taste.
> Fans of Dream Theater: The Supreme Race.
> Fans of progressive music: Music nerds.
Hey whats wrong with that? But seriously this is so true for many people
on this list and that's sad...
> From: sinkdrain@juno.com (Rycher .oOo.)
> I'm sorry, i forget the release date for shadow Gallery...any
> help?
Last I heard it is going to come out in early next year...Now where have
I heard that one before? :) I remember that it is going to be called
Tyranny. All they have to do now is find a drummer!
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:23:29 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Adventures with Bafu
Message-ID: <199707012223.PAA16511@gms.gmsnet.com>
I would just like to take the opportunity to say that Bafu is a real
freak... :)
Me and good ole Bafu there blew up Seattle last night... left it in the
dust, drove around and broke many driving laws... all made for an
interesting evening...
Next Time Rahul!
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:31:02 -0300
From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra... accent?
Message-ID: <33B8F886.AE9352F5@geocities.com>
Hi there!
> I think Angra's singer sounds close to Zak Stevens(Savatage). I
> thought
> all the Angra's band members are from Brazil. How the hell does this
> guy
> not have *any* accent? Anyway I think the band just average(j/k).
Actually, they're REALLY all Brazilians. About the lack of accent...
I'm not saying it because I live here, or for self-promotion and stuff
(that'd be ridiculous), but I've seen many people, from many different
places (different parts of Brazil, different countries of many different
parts of the world) speaking english, and I must say that those who have
less accent are the guys from here where I live (São Paulo, Brazil),
which is Angra's hometown, excluding native speakers of course. Maybe
that explains your point. :)
About him sounding like Zak... No way! (IMHO, o'course...)
Ahhh, enough waste of bandwidth. :)
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