YTSEJAM Digest 2686
Today's Topics:
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2) how are Vai and Satriani related?
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
3) Re: Advice needed on Superior and Shadow Gallery
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
4) ONE THING by MEGADETH
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
5) Royal Hunt?
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com>
6) 2 reviews
by caber1@concentric.net
7) Finding out who sent that shit from a Message-ID (Absolutely noDTC)
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
8) Jim Frey Cook
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
9) zep-demp-zep-a-demp(that spinning kick move); Oh honey don't go... :)
by caber1@concentric.net
10) Reply to Crue stuff
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
11) Glam and stuff
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
12) Marillion...
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
13) Abusing someone's email address - Part 2
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
14)
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
15)
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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>a Street Fighter player. We tried out SF3
A game for pansies and half-wits. Step up to the plate and play Mortal
Kombat...
durnik said:
>Very much like Dogman overall, minus the spirituality.
This is the only KX album I have and I don't like it AT ALL. Is this a
poor representation of their work? I can't believe all the rave reviews
of these guys based on my hearing Dogman.
>so this one will beat the release date by quite a margin.
Oh sure, do this with the KX discs, not with DT...:)
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:35:22 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: how are Vai and Satriani related? Message-ID: <199707021636.TAA26577@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> (though sometimes you can hear tidbits of Satriani in Vai's playing... > teacher -> student influence perhaps?) The fact is, John Petrucci is GOD.
Every now and then I see posts that claim Satriani was Vai's teacher. I also remember reading that Satch had played the guitar for two years till Vai came along and he only taught him for a couple of months.
In that case, it's quite a lot of courage to emphasize the connection between those two. I gather they're more like two friends than a teacher and a student. Rightfully so, I might say.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable -- demand the impossible!
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:05:26 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Advice needed on Superior and Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970702140335.80A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Tue, 1 Jul 1997 JE78674@ltu.edu wrote:
> Hey Jammers...like the subject suggests, I can use some help here. I > recently heard a clip of music from both of these groups and was intrigued > enough to want to purchase some of their music. Now as far as I know, > Shadow Gallery has only the one CD that is found in the Working Man tribute > liner note, released by Magna Carta....am I right? As for Superior, I > have no clue. Can someone tell me or better yet mail me a listing of > all their disks as well as the one(s) recommended most? I would really
Hey, if you are going to e-mail him, please, send a carbon copy to the jam because there are other persons ( me! :-) ) interested in the information he is asking here... :-)
> appreciate this as I am hoping to broaden my Progressive Horizons beyond > Rush/DT/Fates Warning..........also, I heard several people on here praising > Marillion...if anyone cares to share, what's their collection and sound like?
I'd like to know this also... And the more opinions, the better.
Hope to learn more here, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 02:05:38 +0900 From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ONE THING by MEGADETH Message-ID: <199707021705.CAA01759@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
Alright.
About "One Thing" by Megadeth, it's 4'38 rocker. This song starts with splendid SE and followed by DETH style guitar riff. Yeah,this one is RIFF-ORIENTED DETH-ish ROCKER. You can hear this style on their latest 3 releases (CtE,YOUTH,CW),but this one is not as good as their previous releases,so dropped from international tracks. But MEGADETH is MEGADETH so better than the songs by crappy B-class metal bands.
Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- -Keiji Nishihara $B!!(BDoshisha Uni. Electric/Electronic Material Lab. Semiconductor ARRAY KYOTO JAPAN
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp tq0139@mail4.doshisha.ac.jp $B!!(Bhttp://ha1.seikyou.ne.jp/home/Keiji.Nishihara/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 13:20:01 -0400 From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@mathworks.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Royal Hunt? Message-ID: <33BA8DC1.5FD@mathworks.com>
Anyone ever heard of a band called Royal Hunt? I was just over at the Magna Carta site and I learned of this band. Got to http://www.royalhunt.com for info. They've got a CD coming out on September 23rd, which is good, because I surely won't have anything else to listen to that week. ;)
Wacky -- Brian Wherry bwherry@mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com (508) 647-7724
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 12:34:44 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 2 reviews Message-ID: <33BAAD54.1B67@concentric.net>
Ooops sorry if my last post came up twice.
Okay, yesterday I picked up Queensr˙che's Hear in the Now Frontier and Faith No More's Album of the Year.
Queensr˙che(Hear in the Now Frontier)- Well I like the CD but I like my other Qr CDs better. Tate's voice sounds good, he doesn't try to do a ear splitting shriek(i before e right?). The guitars aren't doing anything too fancy, I guess. The drums are good to me. And the bass still sounds great! And isn't that what counts? :)
Faith No More(Album of the Year)- Okay now I know some 'jammer is coming out with with their own CD sooner or later, and here is my tip to ya...Include the lyrics! The CD is great but I hate it then there are no lyrics in the liner notes! Yeah just thought of something else, did FNM find out how to make their own paper from Martha Stewart. It looks and feels like it is going to fall apart.
And here's a quote to bring back Rip! "A cow just...ate them both" Authur "All right! Bovine intervention!" Tick :)
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Finding out who sent that shit from a Message-ID (Absolutely noDTC) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970702131507.5025B-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> YTSEJAM Digest 2685 > > Today's Topics: > 2) This is getting tiring. > by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> -------------------------------------------------------- > From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> > Subject: This is getting tiring. > Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970702101745.1283B-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu> > > > But the important line is the "Message-ID" line. First of all, it's much > shorter. (That's because it's fake.) It doesn't tell you what program, > what version, or what OS was used to compose this message. I have no idea > how they got the "uvm-gen" in there, but, as I said earlier, I can't send > mail from a machine that I can't log in to.
I've always wondered this: There is a way to tell who sends a message from a message ID, isn't there? It sounds really trivial, but I'm really curious how this works. It just sounds like a quick email to postmaster@wacko.com (or whatever that site was), and ask them who sent out the email with that message ID.
Thanks to Merlo for clearing that last one up, I almost thought that was him for a short second.
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "You're a psychopath!" # # Boston, MA 02134 # "No, psychopaths kill for no reason, # # Astronomy # I kill for money... no, that didn't # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># sound right." # #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Grosse Point Blanke # #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:44:53 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jim Frey Cook Message-ID: <199707021744.KAA15224@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> > > On Hamming it up: >>I had it to where I hand both hands down, independently, and could get >>them to work together for a few seconds, but that was about it. It's >>ridiculously difficult for me to pull that off...I can't split my brain >>well enough to do that really contrapuntal stuff. > >Yeah, no kidding. I thought at first, "hey it'll be just like Satriani's >Midnight" but no sir. I got to the same point as you (learning it on >guitar though), and realized Stu's powers are beyond my understanding. I >just like when I get to the open chord strumming part, then I feel like >at least half a man...:)
Yeah, when something's played in sort of a linear way, it's a lot less difficult to pull off, but when you really have to split your brain -- a la Stu or Michael Manring (I'm talking bassists here, obviously) -- I just get off the bus.
Of course I had a similar experience playing "Is It Luck" by Primus. I actually feel a little funny about the Claypool thing, as I was playing with my own, somewhat less convincing, version of his "clawhammer technique," when they showed up on the scene. Resultingly, everyone wanted to hear my take a whack at Claypool's stuff. Which, for the most part, isn't really that difficult ("Tommy the Cat" being a notable exception...one of the guitar magazines -- "Guitar World," I think it was -- tried to transcribe the song for a four-sting. It was hysterical...you had to retune the bass twice in midsong and do all of these strange stretches and everything). But I never could figure out "Is It Luck?" I even watched Les play in live a couple of times and couldn't figure out what the hell kind of thing he was doing. It was amusing. Of course, the main riff was transcribed in "Guitar Player" a few months later and I was sitting there saying "Oh....is that all?" It isn't hard, just strange.
Oh, incidentally, I'm a gay deaf and blind midget necrophiliac mud wrestler from Burkina Faso without arms who has a "special" relationship with his pet heifer, Bessy...
Five Gratutitous CD's: ====================== 1. Queensryche: Operation: Livecrime 2. Robert Johnson: The Complete Recordings, Vol. 1 3. Robert Johnson: The Complete Recordings, Vol. 2 4. Telearc: CD Sampler 5. Night Ranger: Dawn Patrol
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 13:25:33 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: zep-demp-zep-a-demp(that spinning kick move); Oh honey don't go... :) Message-ID: <33BAB93D.60BB@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
The funny man wrote: > Actually, I'm not sure what his preference/orientation/curse/blessing is, > but he's one hell of a Street Fighter player. We tried out SF3 at the new > Wizards of the Coast here in Seattle, and he picked up the new characters > like buttah (not that it's easy to pick up butter, but Mosh learned FAST). The best SF ever was this hacked one that was at my local 7-11. It ruled, you could do a sonic boom without the 2 second wait period, that Russian guy would do his spinning fist move in mid-air with the yoga flame coming out of his feet! You could also change your character in mid fight by pressing the white start button! There were other cheats but these were the best.
> From: "KUBA RUTKOWSKI" <JRUTKO@sgh.waw.pl> (me being quoted) > >Anyway I think the band just average(j/k). > Average!?!?! > Angra is one of the most wonderful band in the world with a > magnificent singer! Sorry if you or anybody else misunderstand that last line. I was kidding, I heard one song and I'm hooked. They really are a great band!
Oh I was just thinking here...I think this 'jam is going to have 4 posts by me. :O
"I am the Tick. Your brother has not done justice to your beauty with his words. You are the spitting image of Themla from Scooby Doo." - Tick
John McCabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 14:24:05 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Reply to Crue stuff Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970702142405.00e14af0@pophost.fore.com>
>The Crue changed their look with every album, but the music pretty much >stayed the same. TFFL (Leathur) and SATD are great, after that they >should've just quit.
I'll agree that Theater of Pain is not up to par with the first two albums, but the Crue put out some solid songs after. Plus, Home Sweet Home kinda set the pace for metal ballads to come. After that, every band was writing the typical cheese ballad, and basically that's what MTV thrived off of between 1985-1992.
>on the Shout At The Devil album released in 1983. And of course there's >nothing wrong with songs about sex, but the songwriting changed >dramatically when Corabi joined the band. Why that is I don't know, but >that's how I see it.
The reason the song writing changed was because it had been 5 years since a Crue album had been written, and in that 5 years, MTV changed their formula. Also, Motley shot themselves in the foot and lost many fans by changing singers. Due to their self-inflicted popularity decrease, and upward alternative trend, I believe the Crue jumped on the bandwagon a bit in order to try to salvage some record sales. However, I feel they made the change with style. They still didn't sound like anyone else, and I thought the songs were well written - even if they didn't sound like Motley Crue. I heard a lot of Beatles influence, and stuff I just never heard in any of their previous work. I do not feel the same way about Generation Swine. I think the songwriting on this album has gone to hell, and even with the restoration of a better vocalist, the songs simply can't be saved. The guitars sound like shit, the drums sound like shit, the riffs are boring, and the vocal lines just can't save the tunes, even though they're not bad for what the music offers. Personally, I think Vince is the only feature of this album, but he just can't save it. It's a shame too, because I was really looking forward to this album. Long live the Wildhearts.
KAI
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 14:49:33 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Glam and stuff Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970702144933.007adea0@nh.ultranet.com>
Someone posted:
>Metal shall return!!
Metal never left. Glam's dead because the music sucked. Kind of like Disco. If the music was good then the Village People would still be playing arenas. Like the old saying goes, the cream rises to the top.
I wouldn't say that Cream rises to the top because in my opinion, Alternative is the most popular thing around (and I hate it) and that certainly isn't cream. Glam was cool, some of the best music ever made was with big hair (3 cans of hairspray and 2 gallons of make-up, it's a wonder that the hairspray companies didn't go bankrupt after the 80's) Regardless, if you look back most bands that were popular and good, went with the big hair, and I liked it (more then than now) but still....Metal will make a comeback.. it's just a matter of time. Until then, I will listen to the bands that survived the weed-out. Lata, J
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 14:52:15 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marillion... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970702145215.007b14b0@nh.ultranet.com>
Steve had written:
I'd also highly recommend Marillion, but be warned that they have a very different style than DT or Rush. They don't have a very heavy sound (not metal). Instead they build power from their overall sound and wonderful vocals. I'd recommend first trying either "Misplaced Childhood" or "Clutching at Straws". Both are among my favorite albums. It may take a while to get used to their style but it's worth it. Try those albums first since some of their other, newer ones are more mellow and may not appeal to you as much. Enjoy!
I was disappointed when I bought Marillion, it wasn't what I expected at all, so many people had recommended it to me and I got it and I was so disappointed that it's collecting dust. Oh well....
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:22:55 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Abusing someone's email address - Part 2 Message-ID: <01BC8738.07C376A0@Voyager.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
This crap was sent to Ytsejam 2684 :
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:56:18 +0200 > From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Message-ID: <199707020656.IAA03600@ravian.globalxs.nl> > > Marillion kicks DT's ass up and down, left and right. > > Mark :-) > ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE YTSEJAM : _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ > Address: ytsejam-request@ax.com |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ > Subject: asdf |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ > Message: unsubscribe ytsejam <yourname> |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ > _________________________________________________________________________ > "What is this, some kind of circing fuckus ?" - J. LaBrie (Dream Theater) > Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
1. My posts ALWAYS say "To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>" 2. I ALWAYS use a subject line. 3. I NEVER use the phrase "kicks ass". 4. I love both Marillion and DT, so I would NEVER say the above in any way, shape or form. 5. I NEVER post just one single line. 6. ALL my posts are two spaces indented. (and my paragraphs are almost always left AND right justified) 7. Also :
> "What is this, some kind of circing fuckus ?" - J. LaBrie (Dream Theater)
instead of :
> "What is this, some kind of fucking circus ?" - J. LaBrie (Dream Theater)
So, obviously this wasn't me.
To the person who did this :
If you think you're going to get away with this shit, guess again. The last person who did this to me, had to find himself a new ISP. _____
> From: Ack! <stu3801@sun.CC.westga.edu> > > HOW DO I GET OFF THIS MAILING LIST?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
READ MY FUCKING SIG OR THE SUBSCRIPTION MESSAGE YOU GOT WHEN YOU FUCKING JOINED THE YTSEJAM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE YTSEJAM : _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ Address: ytsejam-request@ax.com |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ Subject: asdf |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Message: unsubscribe ytsejam <yourname> |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ "What is this, some kind of fucking circus ?" - J. LaBrie (Dream Theater) Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:41:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970702154006.17275A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
The Real D-man wrote: >For future reference, unless the message ID says *.emba.uvm.edu or >digital.dreamt.org, it's not from me.
Actually, even then I would read carefully. I have been able to fake message ID's in the past as well. >:)
(No, I am not the one posting this crap)
Sebastian wrote: >As far as I know, this "griffin.emba.uvm.edu" is Pat Griffins domain at >the university, and as far as I know, he's home for holidays... > So it's very likely that someone is using this domain for shaking >the #jam... Could be, but what do I know!!!
Apparently not much. :) I have nothing to do with UVM or with Merlo's email server. I live and work and go to school in missouri, and the only places you'll see my email coming from for a while are missouri.edu umsl.edu or trucom.com...
D-Man again: >And, if you remember correctly, it was Dream Theater that was Home for the >Holidays, back in December of '95. Pat wasn't even at those shows. :)
Dammit, dammit, son of a bitch! :) =20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 15:48:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970702143038.6708B-100000@enteract.com>
> >Hey Jammers...like the subject suggests, I can use some help here. I > >recently heard a clip of music from both of these groups and was intrigued > >enough to want to purchase some of their music. Now as far as I know, > >Shadow Gallery has only the one CD that is found in the Working Man > >tribute
Shadow Gallery has another cd out that pre-dates Carved In Stone. I've seen it, but never when I had the urge to buy cds. It's supposedly been re-released on Magna Carta, and I know it's still available on import. To me they sound like a mix of Dream Theater and QR, but there's an element that sounds like neither of these bands as well... when you hear it, you won't think "That sounds like Dream Theater" or "This sounds like Queensryche"... you'll say "Wow! Shadow Gallery is pretty damn good!"
> >As for Superior, I have no clue. Can someone tell me or better yet > >I would really appreciate this as I am hoping to broaden my Progressive > >Horizons beyond Rush/DT/Fates Warning...........also, I heard several > >people on here praising Marillion...if anyone cares to share, what's > >their collection and sound like?
Superior is a very, very, unique band. Raw, but precise heavy progressive metal. Not consumed by flash or anything... just powerful moving melodies and really interesting songwriting. I hear a similarity to Queensryche and Savatage, but I don't know why they come to mind... Superior doesn't sound very similar to any other CD I own. Not a shred album, but recommended to fans of DT's heavier music, and fans of metal a la Savatage. I personally have been 100% unsuccessful on my attempt to get into Marillion. I only have Brave, and it's not very progressive... it's not very monumental... it's just not very impressive to me. This is just MY opinion though. It sounds like it'd appeal to Pink Floyd fans (one of which, I am not). I heard a snippet or two of Marillion with their previous singer, and it sounded a little more alive... but you could play Brave on an elevator and not get anyone's toes tapping. I have to disagree with anyone who considers Marillion to be more prog than DT or Rush... it's all a matter of opinion, so I'm not getting on anyone's case. I just haven't been able to get sucked into the world of Marillion, despite multiple attempts, and I don't hear anything really "prog" in the music I've heard.
> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> > > Marillion kicks DT's ass up and down, left and right. > > Mark :-)
Remember when Mark would flame people for saying "That band rules" or "That band sucks"? He's growing. In the wrong direction. The only reason Marillion can kick DT's ass is because they put DT to sleep with their music. Marillion is more effective than NyQuil when I'm having bouts with insomnia. :)
> Sounds good, especially when clouds rake away loud harvest does.
ROFLMAO
And the seventh deadly strike of blossomed monolith if catacomb!
- Queen Merlo
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