YTSEJAM Digest 2687
Today's Topics:
1) re: Robert Johnson
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
2) King's X recommendations based on Dogman...
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
3) heh
by Laussade@aol.com
4) Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem, Ginger Lynn
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
5) Re: Royal Hunt
by Matt <mguillor@metacreations.com>
6) My turn to come out...
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) SG, Superior et al
by "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
8) Nacho Nacho man :)
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2676
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
10) maricones? We don' need no stinkin' maricones
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
11)
by
12) Eternity-X
by zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin)
13) Re: King's X recommendations based on Dogman...
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
14) Shadow Gallery / Superior / NDTC
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
15) Attn: Pam Wheaton
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
16) The John Petrucci instructional vid
by "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
17) Regarding Shadow Gallery
by MTeiper@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 97 17:10:56 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Robert Johnson
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+2AginA@tcx.tcco.com>
>From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
>
>Five Gratutitous CD's:
>
>2. Robert Johnson: The Complete Recordings, Vol. 1
>3. Robert Johnson: The Complete Recordings, Vol. 2
Very cool choices. When I took music in school, we listened to King of the
Delta Blues for a week and it was pure torture. I couldn't really appreciate
it cause I was stuck in my "it's gotta be in E harmonic minor or it ain't
cool" phase. It took a few blues shows to really bring me back into reality.
I still find certain tracks a little too *raw* for my tastes, but it's
definitely worth a try for anyone who has heard him before
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:19:55 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: King's X recommendations based on Dogman...
Message-ID: <199707022119.OAA27145@goodnet.com>
Actually, Dogman is the least King's-X-y of all the KX albums. On
Dogman, only Fool You and Cigarettes seem to capture the essence of the
band, and then only in amounts not quite as full as on other albums.
If you want to experience King's X and make them a part of your
musical pantheon (add them to the soundtrack of your life, as it were)
then you need to hear the following songs. Most KX fans have all the CDs
and will readily play them for you, but they're best heard by yourself
without distractions.
from Out Of The Silent Planet:
What Is This?
King
Shot of Love
Visions
The OOTSP material is unrefined and the band is not fully developed as
songwriters, but the energy is fantastic, and their spiritual roots are
explored straight away (most obviously on King).
from Gretchen Goes to Nebraska:
Over My Head
Summerland
The Difference (In The Garden of St. Anne's on the Hill)
Pleiades
GGTN is KX's best album, probably followed by Ear Candy, which fell just
a notch short. I picked the best four, but they weren't very easy picks.
:) Over My Head is the peak KX song live, of course. Pleiades is the most
Galactic Cowboys-ish work they've done (or perhaps GC derived their song
from its influence). The Difference is a masterpiece of songwriting and
harmony, and Summerland just kicks ass.
from faith hope love:
We Are Finding Who We Are
It's Love
I'll Never Get Tired Of You
I Can't Help It
Faith Hope Love
Legal Kill
I broke my four-song limitation here because once you get past the first
two (the masterpieces of the album), the next four are equally excellent.
GGTN explored more of KX's hopes and dreams, and this album brings their
spirituality, faith, and emotions out full blast... and that puts off some
listeners. Most DT fans will dig it though... it's the mainstreamers that
find it hard to grab. It's Love, KX's most successful single ever, is
actually a very very good song, as opposed to being "radio friendly but
mediocre otherwise". INGTOY was the first dance song at my wedding, so you
can imagine how I feel about that one. Melissa's favourite band is KX.
They tie DT at the top for me. I Can't Help It is just so kickin' and
positive, and well written. Faith Hope Love is a 9-minute marathon that
starts very Galactic-Cowboys-ish and becomes more of an instrumental as it
goes on, but is just very enjoyable to hear. Finally, Legal Kill, perhaps
the only pro-life rock song in existence, is actually a very exquisite
song in addition to being a religious and political statement of belief.
from King's X:
The Big Picture
The World Around Me
Black Flag
As you may note, I couldn't even pick a fourth from this album. The
album doesn't suck... it's just not as awesome as the others. The three I
_did_ include are quite good. This was the "heaviest" album at its time,
and only Dogman is heavier. The lyrical work on this album is actually
very good. Some of the tunes are crafted well, some just don't stand out.
from Dogman:
Fool You
Cigarettes
Pillow
Complain
The heaviest and least-alike album of the six, this CD really wouldn't
make a good intro to the band. The first two songs are the most typical of
the band and Fool You itself is very very good... sounds almost like it
didn't belong on this album. Pillow and Complain are the best of the
"heavy" version of KX. Pillow itself is awe-inspiring in concert, because
they lay it on so think.
from Ear Candy:
The Train
Mississippi Moon
Life Going By
Looking for Love
This album is probably second-best to GGTN, possibly tied for the spot
with FHL. There isn't a dud on the entire album... I could have named
Sometimes, A Box, Picture, Run, Thinking and Wondering, or half a dozen
others and it'd still be a good recommendation. As for my picks above,
"The Train" is particularly relevant because we know KX was having trouble
continuing as a band without support from the industry. Mississippi Moon
is just a positive, upbeat song... well crafted, and highly resembling I
Can't Help It, It's Love, and Fool You. Life Going By... deserves a post
all its own. See my "Thoughts of 1996" in a Ytsejam back-issue for more on
that. And Looking for Love, the radio single of the album, is just plain
fun to listen to, and it _does_ take talent to make songs like that.
Anyway that's the skinny on what KX to listen to. This goes for
all Jammers... if you're not into the band already, do yourself a favor
and listen to these songs. You'll be glad you did. Plus, most KX albums
can be had for $5-7 at used CD shops, except Ear Candy, which is actually
rather hard to find and had a very low print run.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:37:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: heh
Message-ID: <970702173740_1345278369@emout16.mail.aol.com>
my bad yo! forgot about that whole ytsejam-request thing
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:49:17 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem, Ginger Lynn
Message-ID: <199707022149.OAA15679@main.cfmc.com>
>>Very much like Dogman overall, minus the spirituality.
>
>This is the only KX album I have and I don't like it AT ALL. Is this a
>poor representation of their work? I can't believe all the rave reviews
>of these guys based on my hearing Dogman.
"Dogman" is, by far, the LEAST representative of their work. It's a Brenden
O'Brien-produced album, and he has this habit of making everyone's record a
sorta raw, messy sounding effort. Some people like it. I don't. I contend
that Pearl Jam's last three records would be a much more enjoyable listening
experience if they sounded a little more like "Ten." I guess I just like
slick production, for the most part. Still, I think "Dogman" is a cool
record, and that King's X is a tremendous band.
Anyhow, I'm on the King's X mailing list ("Gretchen Goes to the Internet")
and the concensus is clearly that "Gretchen Goes to Nebraska" is the best of
their albums. Beyons that, I'd recommend their last album, "Ear Candy," and
their first album "Out of the Silent Planet." Actually, since they're are
only a couple of others I'll mention them...."faith hope love" I'd slot
between "Out of the Silent Planet" and "Dogman." Their self-titled album is
quite popular with the hardcore fans, but it's my least favorite of all of
their work.
>From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
>
> 3. I NEVER use the phrase "kicks ass".
How about "roks nads?"
Sorry...
Five Gratutitous CD's:
======================
1. Soundgarden: Badmotorfinger
2. Soundgarden: Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas
3. The Chieftains: An Irish Evening
4. Rush: A Show of Hands
5. Clannad: Banba
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:09:45 -0800
From: Matt <mguillor@metacreations.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Royal Hunt
Message-ID: <v03007802afe07c0bd30a@[205.179.211.207]>
Hey guys and gals,
I'm writing this in response to Brian Wherry's post about Royal Hunt... BTW
(Hi Brian!)
>Anyone ever heard of a band called Royal Hunt?
As far as I know, they are a Danish band. (although, I think the
keyboardist is Russian)
The keyboardist and vocalist both won awards in the,"Burrn Magazine"
readers poll. The music sounded somewhat like symphonic rock.... very
keyboard oriented... in fact, I think the keyboardist writes most of the
material. The music also seemed to contain some pop elements as well.
Hope this helps.
Be well.
Matt Guillory
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 18:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My turn to come out...
Message-ID: <199707022230.SAA07952@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Since we're all being honest here, I thought that it was about
time to let you all know the truth about me...
I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body.
Jason
PS - For anyone interested (Mike and Kevin) : Since graduating from UMBC
last month, I've had several job interviews and offers. I finally made
up my mind on a position a few weeks ago. This is my first week on the job.
I'm a jack-of-all-trades computer guy for a company in Columbia, MD
that builds/sells houses. I do NT admin, database admin, software support,
hardware support, database report programming, Visual Basic programming, etc.
Should be cool!
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 16:13:05 +0000 From: "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SG, Superior et al Message-ID: <19970702231413.AAA20260@[207.146.131.109]>
>>>>>>>>Out of Lurk Mode<<<<<<<<
IMHO Shadow Gallery does have a rather unique sound. Not at all like DT, Queensryche or Savatage or any other band I've ever checked out. SG strive for a Neo Classical sound and style and pull it off in some ways. Unfortunately they possess that 80's quality that I never liked : A thin sound with little or no dynamic range. The drumming is verrry thin and does not draw me into the rhythmic changes the band does introduce from time to time. Thematically they deal with epic and noble ideas like Maiden did with Powerslave, especially the epic "Rime". The guitars are interesting without being heavy or forward in the mix, sorta like WDADU except not as imaginative. As for the keyboards-If you dig keys then you will like what Gary Wehrkamp contributes-Lush melodies, great themes and blistering solos. Hey, if DT ever needs a keyboardist, Gary would be perfect. If you like Marillion and Dt and Yes and Malmsteen and don't mind a recording similar to WDADU in terms of soundstage and dynamics then you may like SG. Not real heavy but lush and imaginative. Good mood music, especially all the keyboard interludes between songs. Enuff...
BTW I have to say thanks to everyone on the Jam and I mean This: You all have turned me on to so many bands and styles that I never would have discovered on my own. Way To Go!!
Now Playing:
1) Dickinson-Accident of Birth 2) Angra-Holyland 3) Fates-Pleasent Shade Of Gray 4) DT-Awake (Best Recording of All Time) 5) Megadeth-Rust In Peace
L8r Ytsejammer
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 23:23:27 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nacho Nacho man :) Message-ID: <33BAE2EF.2847@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Jeremy:
> Metal never left. Glam's dead because the music sucked. Kind of like > Disco. If the music was good then the Village People would still be > playing arenas. Like the old saying goes, the cream rises to the top.
Uh, you may wanna check the latest 97 tour schedule for the Village People at: http://www.gryphon.com/village-people/
Sorry, couldn't resist :) Lycos is just too damn much fun sometimes! *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:25:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2676 Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970702192506.11776A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> >I take issue not only with your homophobic reference, but to your lack > >of knowledge in general concerning the Crue. > > I'm glad you posted. I wrote that because I was making my list of > people who can't take a joke and congrats! You made #1 on the list.
Good one Scott! That one got me laughing.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 19:57:56 -0700 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: maricones? We don' need no stinkin' maricones Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970703025756.00689fbc@pop.pipeline.com>
Syrinx wrote in defense of another Rush tune: > > To the person in Texas who is posting this nonsence: start >running, 'cause ifi -ever- catch you, i'll make jimmy hoffa's death look >easy to solve. >
So, would this be more or less savage a beating as the infamous "flatten you like a pancake, boy" threat? Just curious....
Detroit Red Wings - 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
Kevin
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Hopefully the real Adam D. Barnhart wrote: > But > I never could figure out "Is It Luck?" I even watched Les play in live a > couple of times and couldn't figure out what the hell kind of thing he was > doing. It was amusing. Of course, the main riff was transcribed in "Guitar > Player" a few months later and I was sitting there saying "Oh....is that > all?" It isn't hard, just strange. You know Claypool is reason I picked up the bass in the first place. I know a lot of people think he is sloopy but I just think Primus songs are creatively funny. :) After getting into Primus I got into bands like KMFDM and then Anthrax, and then Led Zep, and then a bunch of others, and then a day DREAM THEATER, and then bankrupty. Oh yeah I still can't play a single song by Claypool. :)
Hmm, it seems only the cool people are being impersonated. Good thing I'm a dork! :) Hey the guy with no personality is taking requests?
John is waiting for Bafu Vai to be impersonated, because he probably already has a seven pages worth of things to say to this guy... :) caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 12:11:31 EDT From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Eternity-X Message-ID: <19970615.042044.4319.38.zarnoff069@juno.com>
>>I also just got the Eternity-X sampler in the mail. I honestly think >>it's terrible. It has the worst lyrics I've ever seen, and the >>vocals are terrible as well. The band itself is decent, at most. > >To each, his own. >I really liked it and ordered 2 of their cd's. >I suggest getting the sampler (it's free!) and then deciding.
>my $.02, >Trevor
I really thought the vocals and the lyrics were really bad. The singer made everything sound way too much alike. Though I did like the beginning of the first song on the sampler...it was VERY cool...
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 21:22:38 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: King's X recommendations based on Dogman... Message-ID: <B0000137112@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 02:29 PM 7/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
> If you want to experience King's X and make them a part of your >musical pantheon (add them to the soundtrack of your life, as it were) >then you need to hear the following songs. Most KX fans have all the CDs >and will readily play them for you, but they're best heard by yourself >without distractions.
Mike, that was an great overview of the band's albums. Your KX tastes are very similar to mine. :) Good to see someone else like FHL because I think it is underrated by many fans. There is a wide variety of "best" KX album rankings, and I think that is due to when the person started to listen to KX. I started on FHL, and was enthralled. Most of the fans that started on the debut album like more of the classic KX sound (first three), while Dogman era listeners will dig Dogman or Gretchen and have finicky taste on the rest of the albums. The general concensus is that Gretchen is the best one.
Whatever it may be, anyone wondering which album to start with should go to a local used CD store and find out for themselves. The only thing is that I never have seen Gretchen or Out of the Silent Planet in the bargain bin.
Walter.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 03:10:40 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Shadow Gallery / Superior / NDTC Message-ID: <33B9F0E0.B3077D86@geocities.com>
Hey there guys,
> > Shadow Gallery has only the one CD that is found in the Working Man > tribute > > liner note, released by Magna Carta....am I right? As for Superior, > I > > have no clue. Can someone tell me or better yet mail me a listing > of > > all their disks as well as the one(s) recommended most? I would > really
From what I've heard, SG has two albuns ("Carved in Stone" and the self-titled one). Don't trust me that much, I don't really know for sure. I've heard some stuff from CiS, and it's really good: prog-metal, with a more piano-oriented sound (does that exist? :) ), heavy and very melodic, very nice stuff... I'll be receiving the album in some days (BTW, if you're planning to buy stuff in the INet, try CDUniverse at www.cduniverse.com . They have good prices and VERY good shipping costs, and you can also listen to some samples of what you're buying in RealAudio). Superior has one album named "Behind", and it's one of the most ass-kicking albuns I've heard lately. Excelent prog-metal album, maybe the heaviest you'll find among prog-metal bands, a must. Buy it yesterday.
> > Rush/DT/Fates Warning..........also, I heard several people on here > praising > > Marillion...if anyone cares to share, what's their collection and > sound like?
It's just my opinion (if Itchy is still around, don't start those flames again, ok? :) ). I really didn't like their sound (I listened to "Afraid of Sunlight", I think that was it...), and it was a very "soft" stuff, lots of clean tones, well, just not my favorite ind of sound... But, as many guys here like them, maybe you should listen to them and make your own decisions.
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Attn: Pam Wheaton Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970702222423.15363A-100000@digital.dreamt.org>
Pam, e-mail me. Your tape is ready, but I lost your address. Sorry for the clutter, folks. -d
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:22:43 +1000 From: "Paul Matthews" <J6865644@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The John Petrucci instructional vid Message-ID: <4062503BE@emu.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au>
Yo Jammers,
I have a question.
In John Petrucci's instructional video, There's a nice heavy riff or power chord passage that he's playing with the rest of the band just before he talks about being at berklee and stuff. What song is that from??? I don't think I've heard it before.
thanks, Paul
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:27:02 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Regarding Shadow Gallery Message-ID: <970702222700_1757029797@emout15.mail.aol.com>
Howdy Friends -
There has some Shadow Gallery interest on the Jam as of late. I hope I can clear some things up. As others have mentioned, the band has a self-titled album out that has just been re-released by Magna Carta, but to the best of my knowledge it is only available through mail-order. It's really amazing considering it's a debut.
As good as that album is, though, it does not even COME CLOSE to the greatness of "Carved In Stone"! CIS is literally one of my top ten favorite CD's of all time. The album was rated by some European metal mags as Album Of the Year in '95. When I heard it, it was the most I had gotten excited over a newly discovered band since the Mighty Dream Theater knocked me on my arse back in '92. I HIGHLY recommend this disk. If I had to classify it (and it's not easy since they have their own sound), I think it's somewhere between the prog crunch of DT and the symphonic power of Zack Stevens-era Savatage. Supposedly, they should have a new album out fairly soon, but I've been hearing that for a LONG time now. The tentative title I heard is "Tyranny".
I found the band's official website on the web: www.epix.net/~kbhansen
I think that there are some sound bytes to download if you need an earful. I hope this helped!
- Matt T.
Now Playing: Sepultura "The Roots Of Sepultura" (Bonus Disk)... If you're a Sepultura fan and can get a hold of this release, do it! A bonus 20-track CD of rare, unreleased, and live trax, many of which are different than on their new America B-Sides disk "Blood Rooted".
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