YTSEJAM Digest 2704
Today's Topics:
1) The great christian debate
by Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
2) re: New Yngwie
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) Looking to buy/trade for Stratocaster
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
4) Re: Rolling out the militia - Re: New Yngwie
by Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
5) mailinglist
by "Jerry" <jjstudio@pi.net>
6) Falling into the 'Jam.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
7) Guuud bands :)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
8) WDADU...misprint?
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
9) Enough Already
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
10) I Wish I Was Queer So I Could Get Chicks
by Laussade@aol.com
11) Xian bands (Re: Guuud bands :)
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
12) Ashen Dawn
by Sebastjan Videc <Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si>
13) ProgDay '97
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
14) yeehaw
by woot@crypted.com
15) Re: matter of choice ?
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
16) SDV RA file...where is it.
by Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com>
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 11:53:55 -0400
From: Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The great christian debate
Message-ID: <33BFBF93.63EF@disknet.com>
Hey everybody,
I've been off the jam for a few weeks and just got resubed. Anyway, I
must have got in right in the middle of a debate over christian/pro-life
music. Sounds like some pretty honest and educated opinions coming
across here:
> There's a big misconception that I _think_ is sprung out of the Campus
> Crusade for Christ (around most college campuses). That misconception is
> that if music isn't Christian, then it's working against Christianity. I
> find that to be so untrue. I've watched CCfC videos that condemn bands
> such as Megadeth, Metallica, Twisted Sister, Ozzy, and even Huey Lewis!
> Any song about doing something your own way is considered Satanic. That's
> a load of BS in my book.
I totally aggree with Vince here. Not so much about the CCfC stuff
(which I'm ignorant of), but about the misconceptions. Christian music
doesn't have to be hellfire & damnation. Most christian rock/metal is
more based on the troubles of this world and everyday life and how
turning to God can help you deal with these problems. I, too, listen to
tons and both christian & secular music - big deal. I listen to the
music I like and that's the end of it. But it takes more than cool music
to keep my interest, it takes lyrical content that I relate to or agree
with. I avoid satanic music because I dissagree with its message. Let's
face it, secular music is filled with lyrics of sex, drugs, violence and
living-for-today. Many christians object to that and thus judge ALL
secular music as bad. That is ridiculous in itself. As is saying that
ALL christian music is good. I've read the lyrics of many "christian"
bands and been stumped to find and christian messages within. Go figure.
Nonetheless, there are some amazing christian bands out there and to
avoid them based totally on their "christian" label is just stupid.
Listen to the music, evaluate the lyrics and then make an educated
decision. Check some of these out:
Tourniquet
Believer
Resurrection Band (REZ)
Saviour Machine
Klank
Argyle Park
Precious Death
Leaderdogs for the Blind
Bride
Ken Tamplin (Tamplin)............ect, ect, ect.........
Happy hunting,
Matt
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 97 11:56:37 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: New Yngwie
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+nwvjnA@tcx.tcco.com>
>Yngwie plays what he loves, like all these other
>guys, and continues in the style he loves
I agree. While I probably can't name a single track from any of his last four
releases (I buy them all just because it's Yngwie), there is nothing like an
Yngwie outburst on the fretboard. I spent my high school/early college days
wearing out "Rising Force", 'Marching Out" and "Trilogy". I think they're all
classics. I can see how someone can get tired of the same harmonic minor runs
after 10 years, but there is still an audience for this kind of music.
Enjoy it while it lasts...
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 97 12:02:05 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Looking to buy/trade for Stratocaster
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+e,wjnA@tcx.tcco.com>
I am looking to buy a "cheap" Stratocaster. I probably can't afford one of
the older models, so if someone has a newerFender Strat that they no longer
want, please let me know. I have the following guitars available for trade
in case you don't want to sell:
BC Rich Bich (like Dave Mustaine used to play) - NJ Series
BC Rich ST-3 (neck-thru-body)
Ibanez Roadstar (very, very used)
Jackson JDR (reverse headstock)
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 01:16:34 +0900
From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Rolling out the militia - Re: New Yngwie
Message-ID: <199707061616.BAA10235@ma1.seikyou.or.jp>
At 8:26 AM 97.7.6 -0700, Graeme Nicholson wrote:
>"Vescera"
Thank YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
>This is a misunderstanding that has plagued Yngwie's career. The man
>himself explained it best towards the end of the Inspriations interview,
>when he pointed out that all the huge guitar players, or any well known
>artists for that matter, follow similar paths in their music.
>
>Eric Clapton, whether you like him or not, is a living legend - yet he has
>been playing the same five notes (can you say "pentatonic"?) for 40 years,
>in the same style. You don't get many people moaning about how HE keeps
>doing the same thing, do you? Most established bands do it too. AC/CD,
>Aerosmith, Metallica, Megadeth - they all have their signature sounds.
>
>Even cool guitarists have it. What would Satch be without those long,
>wah-ed legato patterns? Vai without Aeolian and his Eventide? Petrucci
>without his "chromazones" and distinctive neck pick-up tone? Buckethead
>without his diminished arpeggios, eight-fingered tapping and poultry? ;-)
Yes, That's right!!
>
>Yngwie plays what he loves, like all these other guys, and continues in the
>style he loves, like all these other guys. And he never changes to
>accomodate a fad like grunge, new punk, brit (spit!) pop and so on. He
>plays overly dramatic songs with their overly dramatic lyrics, always with
>a classical influence and often with some direct classical theft. Exept
>for the bluesy song on the album, his solos WILL BE in harmonic minor.
>Because that's the most overly dramatic scale.
I DID THINK like that. But how many times did I hear his standard songs?
He(Yngwie) ALWAYS says "This new album will be my best album." How many
times did I hear him say like that? His latest 2 releases are a bit less
impressive to me. And latest 2 tours are a little boring to me (and most
of the audience at the venues). To me, maybe I should consider him as some
kind of remind-me-of-my-good-old-days-musician like NIght Ranger (I can't
believe they dealt with Sony for USA and Europe),etc....
Technically, he weaken his technic. I can't stand his long-guitar solo.
Very slow,and wrong picking...... Everybody knows Chris Impellitteri can
play better than Yngwie. I like Chris Impellitteri's guitar play. He's very
fast and melodic. And Vox. is much better than Yngwie's. You can hear what
you want on his albums. The latest one "Screaming Symphony" is available on
Music for Nations in Europe. Give him a try.
And what I want Yngwie to do is playing good guitar on melodic songs. I
think he's releasing too much materials these days. He has released 3 full
albums within 3 years and will release new studio on Sep and Concerto album
on Feb '98.
I did like his play,but he can't play very well these days.
So Mr. Malmsteen please play good music as much as what you used to play.
>Lastly, you have to realise, Keiji, how lucky you are that you can turn on
>the radio and hear Yngwie. The mainstream pop shit that all of our radio
>stations insist on broadcasting doesn't even come close. I can't remember
>the last time I heard a guitar solo on the radio that WASN'T Noel
>Gallagher. Plus you get to hear Namie Amuro ALL the time there!
Yes. It seems lucky for me (and Japanese fans) to hear rock music on local
radio.
And Namie Amuro.... I can't live a day without listening her music. I hear
her everywhere every day. Too much..
Well,you're living in UK. You can hear a lot of energetic bands like
WiLDHEARTS,3 COLOURS RED, etc........ Jealous........
Thanks.
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-Keiji Nishihara
Doshisha Uni. Electric/Electronic Material Lab. Semiconductor ARRAY
KYOTO JAPAN
Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp
tq0139@mail4.doshisha.ac.jp
http://ha1.seikyou.ne.jp/home/Keiji.Nishihara/index.html
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:13:18 +0200
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Subject: mailinglist
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:11:37 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Falling into the 'Jam.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970706121126.007fe540@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 08:37 AM 7/6/97 -0700, Razzzzzzzzzzzvan wrote:
> Hello 'jammers!
> I'm kinda new at this thing, this being my first post, so please bear
>with me!
No shit?
> WHO the fuck needs everyone's oppinion on this matter?
> Every person has the right to for his own opinion, and trying to
>influence it by posting a few pages of shit to the jam can't do
>anything to change that, IMO. Any sane person could care less for your
>views on this matter, because he/she formed his/her own opinion
>on this and you simply can't do anything to change that.
<<<snip>>>
>Poeple have lost their faith in God ( which is a
>good thing, IMO ).
Should I repeat what you wrote above?
> "So until the next time ... have a good sin! "
oxymoron :)
Other than that, welcome to the 'jam!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:16:52 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guuud bands :)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970706121645.007f94b0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 09:09 AM 7/6/97 -0700, Matt wrote:
>Listen to the music, evaluate the lyrics and then make an educated
>decision. Check some of these out:
>
>***** Tourniquet *****
>Believer
>Resurrection Band (REZ)
>Saviour Machine
>Klank
>Argyle Park
>Precious Death
>Leaderdogs for the Blind
>Bride
>Ken Tamplin (Tamplin)............ect, ect, ect.........
>
YES YES YES YES YES!!! Let's also not forget:
GALACTIC COWBOYS
VENGEANCE
DELIVERANCE
NOUVEAUX
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 15:22:04 -0400
From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: WDADU...misprint?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970706151401.006bd3e4@mason.gmu.edu>
It's probably been already discussed on here a million times, but I'm
still kind of curious....
I have the german print of the WDADU album (cost me $21 at Tower guh) and
on the actual cd they have the songs listed and who did the lyrics. On
song number 2, Status Seeker, it says that the lyrics are by Dominics and
Petrucci. Also on song number 6, Afterlife, it says that the lyrics are by
Dominics. Dominics?? Isn't it Dominici? Does everybody's cd have this
'misprint', or is mine gonna be worth millions of dollars? :>
I apologize now, if this has been repeated through the serv.
Chris.
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 97 16:24:02 EDT
From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enough Already
Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.868220642.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
Maybe when the new album comes out, we won't have to read so much of this
NDTC political crap regarding sexuality, people pretending to be other famous
jammmers, and other total bullshit. I guess the list is really jonesin for
some new DT to talk about. My opinion: Enough Already with this totally
irrelavent to the jam issue of sexuality. I'd rather read some posts about
the Spice Girls than someone's opinion of sexuality. At least the Spice
Girls are musically related "I think" even though they suck real hard.
Currently in my Tape Player: My one and only boot by DT compliments of a
fellow jammer. Eve and To Live Forever should have been recorded. I think
it would be real cool if DT recorded an album full of Bombay Vindaloo type
instrumentals. Like what I said is really gonna make a bit of difference as
to what people decide to post. Well Enough Already outta me. C-ya
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I Wish I Was Queer So I Could Get Chicks
Message-ID: <970706171839_1510725525@emout01.mail.aol.com>
"Mm...if your ass is a Chinese restaurant, I'll have the poo poo platter!"
My friend Jerry Vandergrift kissed me in Home Ec. Class
Later in the afternoon some jarheads in the locker room kicked my ass
I said guys I'm like you, I like Monster Trucsk too
Wanna see how many pushups I can do?
I just wish I was queer so i could get chick.
Chicks...dig guys that are queer...guys that don't dig chicks...that don't
dig guys like me
See, I'm not queer I'm too ugly
But if I were handsome just imagine how great it woul dbe
Icognito as a gay though but not actually that way though pseudo homo phony
Maybe it's a stupid theory or maybe just stupidity
But if I was a queerbee in the fashion industry
Scoring with a super model would be easy
Cause 'super model' means voluptuos but is also synonomous with 'super dumb'
Ya see I'd be a good listener so she'd treat me like a sister and soon I'd
become
That trusted friend that cares that rubs her back and braids her hair
Not it wouldn't take a week before I'm in her underwear
I wish I was queer so I could get chicks
Chicks dig guys that are queer, guyys that don't dig Chicks that don't dig
guys like me, see I'm not queer I'm too ugly
Doesn't matter what I'm packin in my denim it's what's in my genes
The only smoked meat the only sausage I would eat is made by Jimmy Dean
See I'm not too keen on the smell of Vaseline
No I'm not Princess Di and I don't wanna be a queen
I just wish I was queer so I could get chicks
Anyway if I were gay I'd have to change my name to Dirk or Lewith
Hang out with my mom's hair stylist his name is Kip he's got a lisp he talkth
like thith
And wear my mother's lingerie learn the songs of Broadway
And appreciate Depeche Mode and avant garde ballet
I wish I was queer so I could get chicks
Chicks dig guys that are quee3r
guys that don't dig
chicks that don't dig guys like me
see i'm not queer i'm too ugly
And I don't shave my hiney
And I don't shave my hiney!
See I'm not queer, I'm too ugly.
-------Bloodhound Gang
(the only thing I'm willing to contribute to the debate :)
Head
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:22:25 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Xian bands (Re: Guuud bands :)
Message-ID: <B0000139714@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 12:29 PM 7/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>***** Tourniquet *****
Good stuff especially _Psycho Surgery_
>>Believer
Great band. One of the first bands to use cellos and a soprano singer!
>>Resurrection Band (REZ)
Pass.
>>Saviour Machine
Good gothic light metal. Lyrics are good too. No stuffed christian cliches
on the first two albums. Now, I don't know about their concept album. It
is supposed to be about the end-of-the-world biblical prophecy. I'm not
keen on that stuff, but by an interview that I read with Adam Clayton he
said the lyrics would be open to interpretation.
>>Klank
As a local mag said, "Trent Reznor is kicking his bony ass for not signing
them on his Nothing label."
>>Argyle Park
>>Precious Death
_South Paw_ is a great album. Excellent musicians, and great vocalist.
>>Leaderdogs for the Blind
>>Bride
I'm not too fond of them. The vocalist is good. _Snakes in the Playground_
is the album that I have, and it rocks.
>>Ken Tamplin (Tamplin)............ect, ect, ect.........
Best album IMHO is _Axe to Grind_. Great guitar work. The album with Lanny
Cordola is also very good.
> YES YES YES YES YES!!! Let's also not forget:
>
>GALACTIC COWBOYS
New GC album in a few days!
>VENGEANCE
Uhm...apparantly, Vengeance is now an atheist band. :-)
Check out this article by HM magazine and you'll see what I mean.
http://place2b.org/cmp/hmmag/RogerMartinez.htm
Walter.
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:05:57 +0200
From: Sebastjan Videc <Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si>
To: "No religion, just music and DT" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ashen Dawn
Message-ID: <33C016C5.A79058BD@uni-mb.si>
Hiya all jammers!!!
I recently received some sound samples from Jay Lamm, who is a bassist
for a band called Ashen Dawn. Sound samples are only around 8s long, but
you can hear some heavy and progressive stuff there.
Just to let you know. :)))
See ya!
-- /--------------------------------#---------------------------------\ / Sebastjan Videc [StDeVil] | Sebastjan.Videc@uni-mb.si \ #---------------------------------#----------------------------------# \ http://tferi4.uni-mb.si/~videc | I once could see but now at last / \_______(under construction)_____#__________I'm blind (KM)_________/------------------------------
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:59:56 -0400 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ProgDay '97 Message-ID: <33C0236C.51FA@enter.net>
Any East Coaters going to Proday '97 Labor Day weekend?
I want to go and live in Pa, but am unsure if any of my friends can go.
Please let me know if anyone is going from the Philly are or going to be driving through the Philly are. Or if you live in MD, VA somewhere that I could meet up with you.
Please let me know...I WANT TO GO!
thanks,
Bruce D. Duesterhoeft
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:12:23 -0600 From: woot@crypted.com To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: yeehaw Message-ID: <199707062314.RAA21313@mailmx.micron.net>
>One question... are you gay ?
no.
>But you're also ignorant, uninformed and >probably very close-minded.
0-3
>I'd like to know where exactly you got >the warped idea that being gay is a matter of choice, though. Maybe >it's not your fault. It's probably something your parents told you, >or something like that.
actually gay people isn't really the favorite topic of conversation around my house. Maybe I am wrong. But getting childish swearing and death threats (Scott Cook), insinuations that I can't make my own opinion (see above), and other juvenile type "you suck" arguments do little to change my point of view. Many people agree with me, many people agree to disagree with me, and a few feel they need to push their views upon me. that's fine, but until someone gives me an intelligent retort based on hard facts, I am right and you are the ones that are led astray in my book. Please keep it private. I'm just as sick of this (probably much more so) as you are.
In other news, I will not be able to afford the JPM that they have at Guitar City in Salt Lake City, Utah that I had planned to get this weekend while down there. It's $750 for anyone in the area who is interested.
woot
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:02:57 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: matter of choice ? Message-ID: <199707070004.RAA28417@odin.ax.com>
> One question... are you gay ? If not, how do you know it's a matter of > choice and not something you were born as... Have you perhaps been gay > in a previous life ? Do you know people who have told you they weren't > born gay, but suddenly decided to become gay ? > > Here's my view on what it's like to be gay :
Hrm... Sage advice folks. Bashing a guy for a vague opinion of what causes homosexuality only to turn around and place his own vague idea of homosexuality? Hypocrisy perhaps? I think so.
How about I post my idea about homosexuality? Would you like that? I think not. So quit bringing it up.
"Sometimes I feel like a nut. Sometimes I don't..." KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 20:32:52 -0400 From: Anthony LaSorsa <dtgnr@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: SDV RA file...where is it. Message-ID: <33C03934.5DCC@nh.ultranet.com>
Hello all. I was just skimming thru the jams and one person posted that they had recorded Space Dye Vest in Ra format. I tried going to the website, but it wasn't to be found. I didn't copy the address wrong, so I don't know what happened. I'd like to make use out of that Ra player I've used only a couple of times to listen to John Petrucci! :P If anyone can help me out to send me to the site, that would be great! Thanks! Tony
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