YTSEJAM digest 2702

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Sun Jul 06 1997 - 04:30:03 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 2702

    Today's Topics:

      1) Misc thoughts from the low end
     by fish69@juno.com (Arch Angel)
      2) I'm back
     by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
      3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2691
     by Gungha@aol.com
      4) The LIT/Work In Progress Video
     by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
      5) NDTC - N.Y. Rangers CD
     by MTeiper@aol.com
      6) WDADU -- Classic Rock, DTC
     by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
      7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2696
     by Gungha@aol.com
      8) Re: I'm back
     by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
      9) the 'jam, my impressions
     by BRYNMAWR@webtv.net (D. J. FARRELL)
     10) Re: Nope, they're not gay
     by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
     11) Re: D'oh!
     by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
     12) Re: the greatest irony
     by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
     13) About that religious thing...and Berklee
     by Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
     14) Re: I'm back
     by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
     15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2696
     by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
     16) Anybody home?
     by "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se>
     17) New Album Length???
     by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
     18) Berklee Rudess/Morgenstein Show
     by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
     19) The State Of The List ;)
     by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
     20) WTF?
     by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
     21) Re: M. Manson (NDTC)
     by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>

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    Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 23:48:52 EDT
    From: fish69@juno.com (Arch Angel)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com (How Does D-Man DO IT?)
    Subject: Misc thoughts from the low end
    Message-ID: <19970705.223705.2903.4.fish69@juno.com>

                    Hmmm... interesting thing happened to me today. I went up
    to the local mall (if that's REALLY what you want to call it. Considering
    it has all but about 10 stores) To pick up WDADU again on CD (my third
    copy) and when I found it, it had a "CLASSIC ROCK" sticker on the CD
    case. What's up with that? I know it's coming up on it's ten year
    anniversery (wow... ten years as of next year) but should it have a
    classic ROCK label on it already? I mean, should we consider Def Leppard,
    or any other 80's band that we might have grown up with classic rock?
    Hmm... just a thought.

                    
    ArchAngel "In a dimly lit room with a stool
    as his stage
                                                    a dream-stricken prince
    of a paupers descent
    Dominici for Prez '00 haunts the eavsdropping silence
                                                    that presses his window
    as he sweats a performance
    fish69@Juno.com to an audience that ticks on the wall"
    -K. Moore

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    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 21:51:19 -0600
    From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: I'm back
    Message-ID: <199707060352.UAA17774@odin.ax.com>

    I'm back.

    Fuck You.
                --KorgX3
                  KorgX3@cyberhighway.net

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 00:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Gungha@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2691
    Message-ID: <970706000230_-259255750@emout16.mail.aol.com>

    In a message dated 97-07-04 06:02:03 EDT, you write:

    << >from Ear Candy:
    > The Train
    > Mississippi Moon
    > Life Going By
    > Looking for Love >>
    I must ask why no one has included the finest of selections off of Ear
    Candy....
    Picture.!!!!! It's just about the coolest song. JMO

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    Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 00:08:49 -0700
    From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: The LIT/Work In Progress Video
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970706000843.0068a56c@mail.alliance.net>

    I felt as though I had to address this, because it rather saddens me when
    stuff like this goes on.

    >From: Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
    >Subject: A Work In Progress Video
    >
    >Hello,
    >
    > A while back, I saw post by a guy who just had gotten the "A Work In
    >Progress" video. I replied to it and I was talking about sending him
    >some blanks for it. Since then, his letters have been deleted,
    >accidently, along with almost 1700 other emails. I don't remember his
    >mame, but IF YOU ARE THIS PERSON, please get back to me so that we may
    >further discuss this deal. Thanks.
    >
    > > -C. Glover

    Don't trade blanks and whatnot to get this video. Just go out and buy the
    damn thing. Support DT, don't steal from them. If you can't find it
    anywhere around you, I'm sure tons of other jammers (including myself) that
    would hunt it down and send it to ya. Just don't get a copied version.

    And that's all I've gotta say about that.

    Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net
    "One fine day, the chaos subsides. Bleeds into awareness, and a lifetime
    of surprise."

            -Marillion "Living With The Big Lie"

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 00:14:03 -0400 (EDT)
    From: MTeiper@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: NDTC - N.Y. Rangers CD
    Message-ID: <970706001401_914289911@emout04.mail.aol.com>

    Hi there -

    Sorry to post this due to the NDTC, but I hope that some of you can help me
    out. Sometime ago, an audio CD was released chronicling the greatest moments
    and "songs" of the NY Knicks. I have also seen it in Nobody Beats the Wiz.
     I have also heard that there is a similar CD for the Rangers hockey team.
     But, NBTW keeps changing their story. First, it was "Well, we're sold out,
    but it will be in soon, so don't bother special ordering it." A couple weeks
    later, it was "Oh, we've never had that in, so we can't special order it."
     Damn retail stores. :-)

    Anyway, if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it. If anyone knows where I can
    find such a thing (if such a thing exists), as well as the exact title of the
    CD so I don't look like more of an idiot to the sales clerk, please e-mail me
    privately. :-)

    Thanx, and sorry for the NDTC..... Peace, all! Matt T.

    P.S. - "Men In Black" was one of the most entertaining movies I've seen in
    years! A MUST-SEE!!!!

    P.P.S. - Now Playing: Judas Priest "Painkiller" (New Priest in September!
     WooHoo!)

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    Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 21:08:55 -0600
    From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: WDADU -- Classic Rock, DTC
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970705210118.00793630@postoffice.syspac.com>

    <DTC>
    At 09:02 PM 7/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
    >
    > Hmmm... interesting thing happened to me today. I went up
    >to the local mall (if that's REALLY what you want to call it. Considering
    >it has all but about 10 stores) To pick up WDADU again on CD (my third
    >copy) and when I found it, it had a "CLASSIC ROCK" sticker on the CD

            OH!! Mine does too! It's perty big too. What's up with that?! I just
    thought mine was mislabeled. There's also this little "Made in Germany"
    tag on it, and it cost me $18 at Best Buy about 2 years ago. It's the
    original CD, not the US reprint.
    </DTC>

          Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince

               =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
               | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 |
               -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 00:21:47 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Gungha@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2696
    Message-ID: <970706002146_274919495@emout19.mail.aol.com>

    In a message dated 97-07-04 20:25:11 EDT, you write:

    << It's not us hating you.
     
     David >>
    Well stated, dave. God is proud of you.

    With Christ's love,
    mike

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 00:31:03 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: I'm back
    Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970706003036.1568A-100000@umbc9.umbc.edu>

    On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, KorgX3 wrote:

    > I'm back.
    >
    > Fuck You.

    Merry Christmas. :)

    Brandon

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 01:29:13 -0400
    From: BRYNMAWR@webtv.net (D. J. FARRELL)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: the 'jam, my impressions
    Message-ID: <199707060529.WAA21103@mailtod-111.bryant.webtv.net>

    Message ID 867984326

         I'm new to the Jam. So please forgive any little mistakes I may
    make.
         First; "Falling into Infinity." Great title! Very DT. (not many
    people know who "Godot" is anyway)
         Second; I didn't join the Jam to listen to witless homophobia
    (etc...) I myself am just beginning to learn that love exists on many
    different levels. (I myself happen to be a flaming heterosexual.) Quit
    the gay-bashing, stick to the music (please!)
        These are my first impressions. Stay tuned for more. (spam never
    tasted so good!)
                                   
     Love, Peace, Magick
    D. J. Farrell
      

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    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 22:44:42 -0700
    From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Nope, they're not gay
    Message-ID: <19970705.224459.10838.4.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>

    On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 16:03:44 -0700 (PDT) durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
    writes:
    > Dave, you dingus! :) Neither Peart nor Sherinian are gay.

    Yes they are, I've had them both! I just love the taste of a man!!!!!

    Scott Cook - Poofter

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    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 22:38:17 -0700
    From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: D'oh!
    Message-ID: <19970705.224459.10838.2.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>

    >Actually that's exactly what I'm implying. In fact I'll go ahead and
    >say it: Being gay *is* a matter of choice. There. I realize this will
    >probably get me a few enemies, and I'm really a nice guy, but I can't
    >let this matter go by without me saying what I know to be true.
    >
    >woot

    Hey fucknut!

    Lick my scrotum you stupid dipshit! Why don't you go fuck off and die!

    Excuse me while I go pray that you die of AIDS since you probably
    consider it the gay disease it's *exactly* what you deserve.

    This is not an opinion, it's a fact.

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    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 22:41:49 -0700
    From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: the greatest irony
    Message-ID: <19970705.224459.10838.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>

    Neil is not gay, just a really happy guy! ;-)

    *******************************************************************************************
    There was an old lady who lived in a shoe;
    She had so many kids that her uteris fell out - Dice
    ******************************************************************************************

    On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 14:29:52 -0700 (PDT) "Vincent G. LuPone"
    <vgl@syspac.com> writes:
    >At 11:01 AM 7/5/97 -0700, ytsegoon wrote:
    >>i mean, look at it- neil peart is gay, isn't he? and look at how
    >brilliant
    >>his drumming was once upon a time. i mean, we've heard so much about
    >the
    >>neil-likes-men stupidity that we almost hope he is in our darkest
    >dreams.
    >
    > Actually, I truly hope Mr. Peart is NOT in my darkest dreams!!
    > ;) The
    >dude scares me!
    >

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 01:40:17 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Corey Bell <cmbell@inx.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: About that religious thing...and Berklee
    Message-ID: <199707060540.BAA26662@inx.inx.net>

            I really appreciated all of the feedback on the religious music. My
    friend is now away, at church camp none the less, so I will have to play
    these things for him later. I have almost given up on the idea of trying to
    convince people that things really are ok. I think I am just going to be
    selfish and enjoy them for myself!
            About Berklee, I know what you mean about jazz being so respected
    there and how the people who play it have a lot of misconceptions about rock
    musicians. I am just going to do what I have to do to get good grades there
    and try to apply the best things to my music and hopefully have the best of
    both worlds. Although Berklee really isn't hard to get in to, that doesn't
    mean that there is not a lot of really talented people there. Although
    there are a lot of stereotypical rock players that really do not have a clue
    what is going on there and they re-enforce the notion that rockers are
    missing far too many brain cells to be effective musicians.
            I am glad that people here can provide many different views and add
    a whole new perspective to things that I sometimes see so one-sided. I am
    sure that we will always have something to talk about.

    See ya,
    Corey

    Check out my band, Joint Decision's, official website
    at home.aol.com/steviemyer

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    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 22:48:12 -0700
    From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: I'm back
    Message-ID: <19970705.225627.10838.5.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>

    On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 21:04:02 -0700 (PDT) "KorgX3"
    <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> writes:
    >I'm back.
    >
    >Fuck You.
    > --KorgX3
    > KorgX3@cyberhighway.net

    Welcome to the homojam!

    Scott Cook - sooper poofter

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    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 22:50:43 -0700
    From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2696
    Message-ID: <19970705.225627.10838.6.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>

    On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 21:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Gungha@aol.com writes:
    >In a message dated 97-07-04 20:25:11 EDT, you write:
    >
    ><< It's not us hating you.
    >
    > David >>
    >Well stated, dave. God is proud of you.
    >
    >With Christ's love,
    >mike

    Welcome to the jesus jam!

    Hail Satan!

    Scott Cook - Animal sacrificer and male sperm receptacle.

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 08:20:09 +0200
    From: "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Anybody home?
    Message-ID: <199707060613.IAA25513@mb01.swip.net>

    Hello progfriends!
    I was just wondering if any of you guys/gays ;) have been to our site yet?
    Have you listen to the samples?
    What do you think?
    It would be great to hear some comments about our music from you guys.You
    seem to know what you are talking about (well...most of the time).
    Btw we are looking for a new singer in the same vein as our old one (only
    better) :^)
    http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-48707

    Have a nice day
    //Mangan

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 97 2:45:54 EDT
    From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: New Album Length???
    Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.868171554.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>

    Now that we have the title and a release date for the new album, could
    someone please tell me that DT will put as much music on the CD that could
    possibly fit? The real question is (if anyone has an idea) How long is FII
    going to be considering 7 songs are already recorded? Anybody ever listened
    to a group called Cinema Face? Pretty interesting "new" Canadian trio!

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 02:47:32 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
    To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Berklee Rudess/Morgenstein Show
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970706024204.17407A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>

            I've just had confirmation that the Berklee RMP show IS at 3:00
    pm on the 14th of July at the Berklee Performance Center. So this is an
    official all call to all of the Boston Jammers who want to get together
    AFTERWARDS and grab a bite or quaff a couple of frosties or something.
    I'll be there wearing the Black Ytsejam T. Probably could meet in the
    lobby of the Center 30 minutes b4 the show too...

            You don't want to miss this.

                                            -jeremy

    +=====================================================================+
    # grad student, Boston U. # "You're a psychopath!" #
    # Boston, MA 02134 # "No, psychopaths kill for no reason, #
    # Astronomy # I kill for money... no, that didn't #
    #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># sound right." #
    #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Grosse Point Blanke #
    #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
    +=====================================================================+

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    Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:07:31 -0700
    From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: The State Of The List ;)
    Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970706040729.006883b8@mail.alliance.net>

    I know I've been posting like a dead-beaten speed freak (obligatory
    Drama-era Yes reference) lately about things that come from the Ytsejam IRC
    channel, but I thought this conversation that went down was quite relevant
    as far as this list and how it compares to other music mailing lists go.
    (long run on sentences, gotta love em)

    It all started off when Nigel Bridgeman asked the following question:
    "What's the King's X mailing list like?"

    And edited for relevance, this is the transcript of the conversation.

    <Spiff> are there as many cretins on it as the ytsejam?
    <Tempus> it's really cool.
    <Ernie> Spiff: no, it's a cool list
    <Tempus> Spiff, no, actually it's really laid back and chilled.
    <Spiff> no list can have as many dorks as the dt one :)
    <Dr_Mosh> no, the Jam is very uniquely filled with cretins
    <Spiff> although the Savatage one has Whitewolf...
    <Tempus> I love being on that list. (Gretchen Goes To The Internet)
    <Spiff> so he might count for a bit
    <Ernie> Spiff: you need to see the Tool list... awful!
    <Dr_Mosh> the only other list that's as ridiculous as ytsejam is freaks
    <Dr_Mosh> :)
    <Tempus> There's a Savatage list?
    <Spiff> hehe
    <E-Man> you want bad? Check out the Lynyrd Skynyrd list. ZERO netiquette
    there.
    <Spiff> yep
    <Gazpacho> man the Sabbath list was savage
    <Ernie> now that i think of it.. there hasn't been a kx digest in a while
    <Spiff> it's been going for a couple of weeks, i think
    <Tempus> the Styx list is pathetic. just a bunch of 40 year old women
    drooling over Tommy Shaw.
    <E-Man> LOL!
    <Ernie> haha
    <Tempus> it's the fucking truth :)
    <Tempus> and it's pathetic
    <Happe> Temp LOL
    <Tempus> the King Crimson list (Elephant Talk) is a bunch of uppity music
    snobs debating whether punk is aesthetically correct in the world of prog.
    <Tempus> I fucking hate that list.
    <Ernie> temp: me too
    <Ernie> all they're reviews of G3 were "Robert Fripp was great, but all
    those other guitarist were horrible! I couldn't stand it"
    <Tempus> Ernie, I KNOW! I was thinking "Please, get over yourselves, you
    almighty and righteous Crimheads."
    <Tempus> the NMS (Rush list) is just a bunch of people drooling over the 3
    guys, talking about hoser music (Canadian music), and talking about how
    fucking superior Rush is to everything else.
    <Dr_Mosh> NMS is ridiculously moderated
    <E-Man> TNMSers are like the Trekkies of the prog world
    <Tempus> E, you said it!
    <Dr_Mosh> you know, honestly, ytsejam is one of the most open, dynamic,
    psychotic lists out there...
    <Spiff> temp - how would you describe ytsejam then?
    <Gazpacho> I love Lars' posts they are fucking hysterical
    <Dr_Mosh> I think ytsejammers are real cutting edge too... compared to
    dino-prog...
    <Ernie> the jam is fun
    <Ernie> annoying at times, but overall fun
    <E-Man> like the Tick. :)
    <Dr_Mosh> how can you compare any other list?? they don't have Bafu!! eheheheh
    <Ernie> who gives a shit if there aint no DTC
    <Tempus> I'm going to post a little part of this conversation to the jam :)
    <Tempus> I hope you all don't mind :)
    <Tempus> this is a bit relevant :)
    <E-Man> not at all
    <Dr_Mosh> I want royalties Tempus!!
    <Tempus> Mosh, well, should I make the check out now? ;)
    <E-Man> the main channel is fair game for posting, logging, etc...
    <Dr_Mosh> :)

    The only worry I have about this post is if the list is going to reject it
    for it's sheer size. ;)

    Moving on,
    Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net

    "Me, I'm just a lawnmower, you can tell me by the way I walk."
            -Genesis "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)"

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 02:11:35 -0600
    From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: WTF?
    Message-ID: <199707060814.BAA19731@odin.ax.com>

    OK. What THE fuck? I didn't rejoin the list to listen to a bunch of
    rehashed old topics. Some of them are fine, but another gay thread? Who
    started this shit anyway? Gay or not, the one who did either needs to
    have their loving parents beat the LIVING FUCKING SHIT out of them or just
    shut the fuck up. That's my opinion on the gay thread.

    nuff said.
                KorgX3
                KorgX3@cyberhighway.net

    PS. Michael Coghlan, shut the fuck up on the religious shit. Nobody
    cares. If you wanna talk religion, mail me, I'm sure you'll love what I
    have to say.

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    Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 02:54:59 -0500
    From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: M. Manson (NDTC)
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970706025459.00686b24@mail.autobahn.mb.ca>

    >This follows into today.. Marilyn Manson. I HATE the music, I HATE the
    >image, but, you have to give this guy some credit, he's probably as
    >normal as you and me. He was probably a normal guy who liked Alice
    >Cooper and realized what Alice had done..sold his image. A true
    >marketing genius. Sell the image, attract the image and the $$ will
    >
            If it were only that simple. Alice was Alice onstage, but nothing like
    that at
    all off-stage Alice Cooper was Vincent Furnier's on-stage persona. Alice is
    now a born
    again sunday school teacher, believe it or not. Marilyn Manson carries his
    off-stage
    persona onto the stage. The guy is an ordained high priest in the church of
    satan. He's admitted it. This is not an act, nor in my opinion, is this
    even music.

    Just my $0.02

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    I swear on tomorrow if you take this chance
    Our lives are this moment; the music, the dance
    And here in this labyrinth of lost mysteries
    I close my eyes on this night and you're all that I see
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