YTSEJAM Digest 2699
Today's Topics:
1) Pro life songs
by GnRBrks@aol.com
2) "Merloisms"
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
3) Just ruining a few people ;)
by Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
4) Re: Falling...
by eckie@asu.edu
5) Studio Update (fwd)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
6) Re: Death Threats on Vinyl
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
7) Thanks for the thread
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
8) Re: Misc. ramblings from the low end
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Treasure Land
by "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se>
10) Yup...
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) Re-name of DT's new album
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
12) Re: Angra
by "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt>
13) dream theater mp3s
by poedxb <poedxb@ath.forthnet.gr>
14) Politicalamity & one minor Dream Theater related paagraph
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
15) D'oh!
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
16) Divine Regale, the all-nebulous designator: ETC (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2698
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
18) Danvers Rudess and Morgenstein show.
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
19) Bliss
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 01:16:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: GnRBrks@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pro life songs
Message-ID: <970705011612_714230294@emout08.mail.aol.com>
One more to add to the list:
"See No Evil" from Holy Soldier's debut self-titled album.
My 2 cents worth!! Way to go Pat Sullivan of the Barron Cross song!!
Glen <GnRBrks@aol.com>
Now playing: Fool You by King's X form Dogman.........Kool disc!!! I forgot I
had this before you guys started talking about these guys!! What a great
trio!!
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 01:37:18 -0700
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Merloisms"
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970705013716.006883d4@mail.alliance.net>
In the midst of this whole D-Man email fraud fiasco/disaster, I thought I'd
post a few ways that you could tell if it's really D-Man or not (other than
the ways he pointed out himself).
This is by using "Merloisms" (don't bother asking, just another crazy night
on #ytsejam).
If he says any of the following in his post, you can be sure it's the real
D-Man (aka Chris Merlo).
"go bone yourself"
"harshing my scene"
"neat"
"golden"
alright, take care, and safe ytsejamming.
Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net
"Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather
straps."
-Emo Phillips
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 02:24:03 -0700
From: Jeremy Hyde <tempus@alliance.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Just ruining a few people ;)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970705022401.0068ee00@mail.alliance.net>
Here's further proof that the IRC jammers are insane.
<Stranger0> my mom contiuenes to deny that women fart
<Rudy> hehehe
<KorgX3> Bathtub farts for some reason are the worst.
<KorgX3> They're kinda moist.
<Rudy> are they really korg? :)
<Stranger0> BATHTUB FARTS KICK ASS!!!!!
<KorgX3> hahah
Tempus is laughing like crazy :)
<Rudy> hehehhe
<KorgX3> Mark tries to eat them ;)
<Stranger0> someone log this and post them to the jam :)
<KorgX3> The bubbles that is.
<Tempus> roflmaopimp!
<Rudy> then all of a sudden
<Rudy> you are sitting in the bathtub
Tempus changes topic to "<Stranger0> BATHTUB FARTS KICK ASS!!!!!"
<Rudy> you fart,,.,,,,
<KorgX3> hahah
<Stranger0> damn right jeremy
<KorgX3> I think I have become one of the hollow Men....
<Tempus> I should post this to the jam :)
Stranger0 knows if this entire log was posted, he'd probably get every
female jammer emailing him and saying how
much of a rude and disgusting pig he is
That he will ;)
Jeremy Hyde - tempus@alliance.net
"You! You want to look!"
-Chris Merlo
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 00:04:34 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Falling...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970705000345.17350A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Well, I wouldn't really know 'bout the whole intellectual thing. I'm
just a metalhead.
But I do mud on Infinity. :D
~Eckie thought it was ironic, dontcha think?
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 03:07:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Studio Update (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970705030619.18233H-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, gang! Here's the latest word from Mike!!
-d
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Hey Guys!
Everything is going great...Here's the latest to report.
We finally have:
1. ALBUM TITLE - "Falling into Infinity" and
2. RELEASE DATE - September 23rd
7 songs have been completed so far:
1. You Not Me (originally "You or Me", then "It's All About You" but
now.....)
2. Burning My Soul
3. Lines In The Sand
4. Hollow Years
5. Take Away My Pain
6. Just Let Me Breathe
7. Peruvian Skies
It's incredibly FUCKING WEIRD that you guys have been talking about King's X
on the Jam......Your ears must have been ringing with ESP, because flying
into NYC
on Wednesday to come to the studio and make a guest vocal appearance on
"Lines in the Sand" is none other than Doug Pinnick!!! Should be very
cool......
Anyways, That's All for now......I'll report again soon...... Mike
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 00:01:40 -0700
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Death Threats on Vinyl
Message-ID: <19970705.001824.12622.4.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
>Now for the DTC:
>
>Has DT put anything on vinyl. Every once in a while, I hit a Record
>Swap,
>and look for DT, but I'd like to know if I'm searching in vain...
>
>-Maddy
In the USA, the only DT vinyl I've ever seen is for WDADU. I own a vinyl
of I & W and the 12" of Lie. both of these are from Europe. There's also
a double vinyl for Awake.
Scott
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 00:16:26 -0700
From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Thanks for the thread
Message-ID: <19970705.001824.12622.6.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
Hi Kiddz!
I just wanted to thank you that are participating on this particular
thread
about alternate lifestyles. With as many different lists I'm on it really
helps
to cut down on the mail when I can delete half of it straight away. ;-)
Scott
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Jack be nimble, Jack be quick.
Jack burned off his fucking dick! - Dice
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 00:15:22 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Misc. ramblings from the low end
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970705000940.17350C-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Shit man, did I have to put a "Sarcasm" disclaimer on the end of that? I
thought it was fuckin' obvious! I'm as sick as everybody else about
hearing everybody's views oh homosexuality and what not! THIS IS A DREAM
THEATER LIST.
God, it's a good thing I didn't throw in the "guitarists are better than
keyboardists" in that post, ya prolly would've sent a burly gay man to
hunt ME down.
Let me ask you all something. DO I give a shit what you do in bed,
behind closed doors? Get off it, it's old, it's worse than the "what the
hell are Spice Girls doing here" thread, and nobody can even joke about
it anymore.
Fuck man. I guess we should never bring up the term "glamfag" or
"alternafag" here again, should we? About 90% of this crap deserved to
be in private email.
Now look--I just contributed to this thread even more!
*Ugh*
~Eckie goes and finds his shotgun and a spoon full of jello
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 10:28:11 +0200
From: "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Treasure Land
Message-ID: <199707050821.KAA24267@mb02.swip.net>
So you want the Url hmm....................okey ;^)
The Treasure Land Homepage:
http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-48707
Check it out and listen to the samples (progmetal with classical and latin
influences).Shredding guitars and high pitched vocals
//Mangan
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 02:22:08 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Yup...
Message-ID: <199707050922.CAA07767@goodnet.com>
Yeah, I figured my opinion wouldn't be much more popular that
Michael Coghlan's. Ah well... you take your hits and you roll with them. I
still believe that sticking up for what you believe in, no matter how
crazy, is a lot better than everyone falling into lock-step with the
masses. I respect the opinions of the pro-gay folks too (remember, I never
said I had a problem with gays. In fact, since I'm married, the whole
homosexuality issue is really rather irrelevant to me now) so I guess it's
safe to close the book on this thread. I won't attempt to get the last
word in... I accept the draw as it stands.
(you realize of course that 99% of runaway threads on Usenet and
the Internet listservs would never happen if people would give up their
childish obsession with getting in the "last word".)
Anyway... one thing that _did_ bother me in the content of the
replies... several people said this discussion "has no place here". Well,
other than the Falling Into Infinity news, nothing _has_ been on topic
here since, oh, last December 18th or so. I mean _really_. I think the DTC
thing has been even further outworn than each individual off-topic
tangent. What I think I have done, and I take full fault for it, since I
know others have done it too they will recognize this,is I have
transferred my Ytsecon experiences back ONTO the Ytsejam. That is to say,
the Jam was originally formed so we could talk about DT and like topics.
When we got together for cons, we found ourselves simply being
_like-minded people having fun doing all sorts of stuff_. So now I
approach the Jam as a gathering of people who, at least to some great
degree, think like I do, respect the values I respect, dig the stuff I
dig, and so forth, and the topic has become less of an issue. I'm sorry if
this has bothered people, and I guess all of us who _have_ experienced the
Cons can just go back to the way we were, talking about the meaning of
Learning to Live (is it about AIDS?!? gawrsh!) or about how the opening
riff to The Mirror is played on drums... or about how DT doesn't get any
respect in the US media... etc... or we can just keep trying to make the
Jam a positive home-base for those of us who decided to use the same
soundtracks for our lives. I guess it can go either way.
So... Falling into Infinity eh. Hmmm. Well, here's hoping. If the
band members are listening in... and I'm guessing at least one of them
(probably Portnoy) has this view... ADD as MUCH balls and chunk to the new
album as possible. Go wild... don't pull a Queensryche on us. (Don't get
me wrong... I like HITNF... but anyone who thinks it's as complex as their
past work is having delusions).
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 02:23:16 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re-name of DT's new album
Message-ID: <199707050927.CAA14346@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 06/27/97 06:58am -0700
I just got word thru the old grapevine...the new DT name will
be "Elderberries"
Mark Smeets/Stranger0
Feel our bodies breathing as you try to stop believing, there's nothing you can do
about your shadows, you can't fight us, you are like us and your body will betray
you. Lay down and die like all the others. Where are the angels and their wings of
freedom. Jesus had his day off when they pulled you through - Bruce Dickinson,
Accident of Birth
Look for me on ICQ
Check out the Megadeth Faq/Megadeth Webring - Circle Of Deth:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm
My Page:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 10:40:17 +0100
From: "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Angra
Message-ID: <19970705120836.AAA14013@host.telepac.pt>
Hi !
> >I think Angra's singer sounds close to Zak Stevens(Savatage). I thought
> >all the Angra's band members are from Brazil. How the hell does this guy
> >not have *any* accent? Anyway I think the band just average(j/k).
> Funny you say that, because my only complaint about Angra is his accent.
Andre Matos have a little accent, but I think that it's natural, he is
brazilian. The only guy (no-english) that don't have any accent is Michael
Kiske.
> Actually not a complaint; it doesn't really bother me, but if ever wanted
> to say anything negative about them, I'd point that out. But what's
weird,
> is that it gets more obvious with each CD. Have you heard their cover of
> 'Painkiller'? 'Faster than a boolet..' haha. But as I said, I don't mind
at
> all; he's a great singer and is more than good enough at his english....
> and he speaks a decent german, too.
And french.
Someone said tha the singer of Loudness is similiar to the Angra's. Are
they good ? How do they sound ?
> a thought: wouldn't it be bad ass if Angra got to record with a real
> orchestra? I mean that guy does some incredible orchestrations.... I
> wouldn't find it odd if he had a couple of symphonies under his belt.
They are thinking of making an album with orchestra, but not now.
> ..and speaking of symphonies, wasn't Yngwie writing a concerto for
> electric guitar? Anybody know how that's going? That could very well be
the
> first Yngwie CD I buy (I taped Rising Force)
In September Malmsteen will release a new studio album with is new singer
Mats Levson (ex-Abstract Algebra). The concerto for guitar and orchestra, I
think is Prague orchestra, will be released in 1998.
> and finally, do any brazilians know what the chant at the beginning and
end
> of 'Carolina IV' is? I'm not even sure if it's portugese, but if it is...
Yes it's PORTUGUESE.
Bye
Antonio Sousa
zombie@mail.telepac.pt
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 14:47:05 +0300
From: poedxb <poedxb@ath.forthnet.gr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: dream theater mp3s
Message-ID: <33BE3439.DCCD730E@ath.forthnet.gr>
Wow , some people here are really weird.It looks like DT's music has had
a major effect on them!Nevertheless ,is there any site on the web
providing with DT's mp3s?
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 15:45:20 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Politicalamity & one minor Dream Theater related paagraph
Message-ID: <199707051247.PAA04551@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> if you want to think of it THAT way.. we're not looking for pro-life,
> we're looking for anti-abortion.
Are we? I mean, what's that talk good for? If there isn't a rule
about politics on the jam, there should be. (Coming from a different
culture can make you feel quite out-there. I almost feel like an
outcast with my points of view about the whole topic.)
Dream Theater Content: today, strumming my guitar and playing the
solo from the beginning of Another Day, it occurred to me that Rednex
(an one-joke country-disco band out there) had a song "Wish You Were
Here" that shared the main melody line with Another Day. It's most
probably a coincidence, but goes to show you that different people
can create almost identical melodies independently.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable --
demand the impossible!
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 07:37:01 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: D'oh!
Message-ID: <199707051338.HAA20136@mailmx.micron.net>
that message should have read:
>I hope you're not implying that being gay is a matter of choice ?
Actually that's exactly what I'm implying. In fact I'll go ahead and say
it: Being gay *is* a matter of choice. There. I realize this will
probably get me a few enemies, and I'm really a nice guy, but I can't let
this matter go by without me saying what I know to be true.
woot
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 09:56:07 -0700
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: Black Power <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Divine Regale, the all-nebulous designator: ETC (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970705165607.0067cd4c@pop.pipeline.com>
Has anyone picked up the new DR cd? They are touring with
Fates Warning...I get my copy of "Ocean Mind" by way of the
Newman Corps any day now, but I would like to hear other
opinions...
As far as the whole gay argument, doesn't anyone remember the
political threads from election year? Didn't we collectively
learn a lesson from that? Politics, Religion, and Morality
are subjects which have absolutely no place being discussed on the
jam. Each and every person holds his opinion dearly on such questions,
leading to inevitible conflict when such opinion/belief is, especially
on the jam, ignorantly challenged. We have a common interest in
music - why not leave it at that? If you want to talk politics,
religion or social issues (abortion, homosexuality, death penalty)
outside of the musical realm, (I think discussions about lyrical
content without the inclusion of *personal* attacks is acceptable)join a
list dealing with those subjects.
I plead guilty to discussing politics with regard to the Mustaine/McVeigh
bit, but I can almost split that hair that it was music-related...almost.
/me hangs his head in hypocritical shame
CD of the day: Clockhammer - Klinefelter
Detroit Red Wings - 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 15:58:04 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2698
Message-ID: <yam7125.225.1193660896@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>
Hi!
Dr. Mosh wrote:
>On the Eve of Destruction, "Michael Kohsiek" said:
>>Now it's official, I'm proud to present the new CD-title:
>>"FALLING INTO INFINITY"
>[...]
>And where pray tell did this information come from? You're not an imposter
>too are you??
I guess he got it from my homepage, so it must be correct ;-))
Just kidding. I think either D-man or Mike Bahr will post Mike's mail to the
Jam, and I don't want to clutter the Jam with DTC, so watch out. ;-)
Steffen
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steffen Barabasch - THE MIRROR TheMirror@westend.com Deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub http://www.westend.com/TheMirror -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 10:10:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Yzerjam: the Mailing list for DT/Red Wing Fans Worldwide" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Danvers Rudess and Morgenstein show. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970705095032.24629A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Ex-DT fill-in keyboardist, Jordan Rudess, and drummer Rod Morgenstein played a clinic in Danvers Mass on Thursday. Thanks to the kindness of the great tape trader, Jon Parmet :), me and a friend were able to go see this awesome clinic of amazing talent.
After hearing them on the way down to the Fix show at New Haven and then actually seeing them at New Haven, it was readily apparent to me that these guys were not only good, but they were really good. Well, after this clinic, they have made me a believer. After listening to the music, and finding out how two people can make all of those sounds, live (little or no canned music, folks, almost ALL done live), I'm thinking that these two are virtually gods in their respctive fields. Not only that, but they are personable, and sit down after their clinics and shows to BS and chat about the music.
Luckily for us fans, they had advance copies of their new CD on sale, which I am listening to right now. The feel of the CD is incredible. I am really, really impressed by this CD. It sounds absolutely beautiful. When it comes out in Septmber, BUY THIS CD! You will not be disappointed.
For those of you in Boston, there is one more chance to see them on this go around...On Monday the 14th sometime in the afternoon, I guess. Times will be announced later, so get the time off!!
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+ # grad student, Boston U. # "You're a psychopath!" # # Boston, MA 02134 # "No, psychopaths kill for no reason, # # Astronomy # I kill for money... no, that didn't # #<*> Jeremy Hallum <*># sound right." # #<*> jhallum@bu.edu <*># -Grosse Point Blanke # #<*>jhallum@dreamt.org <*># http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ # +=====================================================================+
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 11:24:32 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bliss Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970705162432.007699ec@pop.enteract.com>
Frank Zappa once said:
"The most common element in the universe is stupidity".
Damn. And I thought I could sell the Ytsejam Digest for millions! Okay, here goes.
If you think that i'm an asshole for being heterosexual, fuck you. If you think I'm an asshole for being gay, fuck you.
There are choices and there are outcomes. If any of you think that your Good Book or your relative morality qualifies you to condemn a sin that causes no harm, and fosters only love, then I assure you, you've missed the point. Whole religions miss the point. I am a Catholic. Catholicism misses the point. I am a Christian. Christianity does not miss the point (and many non Christian religions also include understanding in their doctrine). A man or woman who condemns true love in whatever form it comes, is not a Christian. I think Michael Coghlan and Mike Bahr's last posts were just about the worst drivel I've seen on this list. NO ONE ELSE'S opinion matters when it comes to homo/heterosexuality. That's all there is to it. I don't care who has a backbone and who is just throwing stones. It's not about PC or rudeness. If you are born male, you aren't wrong for having a y chromosome. If you are born a goat, you can't be slain for attempting to chew my girlfriend's hair when she was a little girl. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT to make any judgemental decisions for anyone but yourself. Once you're certain that you're god, then maybe your opinion will matter with regards to who I am, or who I care about. But probably not.
And I deplore people like Coghlan who claim moral righteousness despite their pasts of complete and utter condemnation. Hypocrisy. Mike has a history of knocking anyone who does anything contrary to what his religion enshrines. Now if he's to be considered a beacon of holy infallibility, then I must be the devil. Did anyone ever doubt it though?
If you make this list your alter to preach your ignorance and your indoctrination, fuck you. With a knife.
Shove your twisting this topic into DT content. That's bullshit, and if it's coming out of your mouth, you're full of shit. This list is not a debate for the values of sexuality and religion.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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