YTSEJAM Digest 2698
Today's Topics:
1) magellan@u.washington.edu
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) Re: Glam fags
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) Re: Michael Coghlan
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
4) Re: N E W D R E A M T H E A T E R CD-Title!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5)
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) gays again <sigh>
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
7) Misc. ramblings from the low end
by fish69@juno.com (James D Carey)
8) Enough is Enough
by JE78674@ltu.edu
9) whoops.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
10) Is there DTC out there; Treasure Land; Mindcrimer IS intelligent; damned psychics, they always see the future
by caber1@concentric.net
11) a bunch of (for the most part) crap
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) infinity and BEYOND!!!
by Joe Wright <jrwee@gator.net>
13) Marketing/Publicity prodigies.
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
14) Falling into Infinity!
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2697
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
16) Independence (pure coincidence that I post this on the 4th)
by Laussade@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 17:56:42 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: magellan@u.washington.edu
Message-ID: <199707050056.RAA13057@gms.gmsnet.com>
Who the hell is that guy anyways?
Is he going for top poster of the month??
;)
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 17:59:26 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Glam fags Message-ID: <199707050059.RAA13082@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Scott Cook said: > >The term "glam fag" has nothing to do with Homosexuals. If I would've >said
How about alternafag??
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:03:40 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Michael Coghlan Message-ID: <199707050103.SAA13101@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, durnik said:
> Michael Coghlan's opinions may not be popular, and I don't >necessarily agree with any of them, but he has a backbone... a spine... he >knows how he feels and he sticks to it. Most people are so spineless, they
Having a spine and being blissfully ignorant are two different things... but hey, nothing personal towards Coghlan since he does actually listen to DT.
> Think for yourselves, people. And when someone actually has the >nuts to stick with what they believe in, it's a damned crying shame that >the rest of you have to rip and tear at him like a bunch of MTV-News >anchors. Are you all so dedicated to the PC standard??
MTV? whassat? Hey!! Are you the imposter!!?! ;)
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:05:28 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: N E W D R E A M T H E A T E R CD-Title! Message-ID: <199707050105.SAA13122@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, "Michael Kohsiek" said: >Hi DreamHeads! >Now it's official, I'm proud to present the new CD-title: >"FALLING INTO INFINITY" >That's the title the band has chosen finally (hopefully...). >Michael > > >* Michael Kohsiek * >* Blumenesch 8a Siegerlandstr.15 *
And where pray tell did this information come from? You're not an imposter too are you??
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 18:16:12 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199707050116.SAA13198@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, impostor@wee.wee said: > >The second point I was trying to make is, man, it sure is easy to >write fake e-mail. I'm sure there's a couple hundred people who >learned at least a little from D-Man's teaching session. Be careful, >people.
But obviously, you don't learn very fast if at all... sure it's easy to fake mail, but most people can't do it correctly, especially dipshits like you.
>Adios, people. It's been fun. And it's funny, whoever thinks they >can track me down, I don't even get the Jam on this account. Even >if you did somehow trace it back to my ISP, I could care less, I'm >about to change anyway. This one sucks a big donkey.
You just don't get it do you?? I work for the FBI, we already ran a trace from the phone company directly into the PPP connection you logged into. Not only that, I was talking to Cancerman last night and he dispatched a couple of "cleaners" to your location and is gonna leave you a calling card..
It amazes me you even know how to send mail...
Maybe someday you'll even graduate from junior high...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:21:05 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: gays again <sigh> Message-ID: <199707050123.TAA03078@mailmx.micron.net>
>I hope you're not implying that being gay is a matter of choice ?
Actually that's exactly what I'm implying. In fact I'll go ahead and say it: Being gay is not a matter of choice. There. I realize this will probably get me a few enemies, and I'm really a nice guy, but I can't let this matter go by without me saying what I know to be true.
woot
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 22:26:23 EDT From: fish69@juno.com (James D Carey) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Misc. ramblings from the low end Message-ID: <19970704.211457.9383.0.fish69@juno.com>
>Well, I'm going to take a stand and say,
<sigh!> Must you??? >I am Derek Sherinian's blonde, gay lover. Yep that's right. A >guitarist >and a keyboardist in the throes of lust.
Man... you must be really desperate for entertainment and a lonely hearted individual if you have to resort to trying to start a flame war!
>I offered my services to James, but he insisted that he stay at his >caribou farms...he's enjoying himself far too much for a guitarist to >take care of his sexual needs.
You know... why don't you just fix yourself a nice bowl of Jell-o, take a 9mm pistol and go frolic into the woods.
>How many conservative jammers have I disgusted yet? How many >conservatives listen to Dream Theater, for that matter? Yeah, I'm >generalizing with the term, "Conservatives," 'cuz that's the way I am!
Really hate to dissapoint you, but I'm not disgusted.. just real BORED with a couple of individuals who (unfortunatly) subscribe to this list for the sole purpose of causing trouble.
>*Big-ass middle finger fling* Wow, I'm impressed!! You know sign language! Can you also color inside the borders too?
>One last note, Bafu, for some odd reason, Derek seems to keep calling >your name when he climaxes.
<sigh>
>Hi DreamHeads! > >Now it's official, I'm proud to present the new CD-title: > >"FALLING INTO INFINITY" > >That's the title the band has chosen finally (hopefully...). > >Okay, sit back, suck it in and watch out for more to come!! > > >Michael >
Hey D... can you talk to Mike and get a confirmation on this?
A couple of other things, greeting to all my IRC buds... been a while since I've been on and alot has happened to me, if you even care to chat you can e-mail me privatly. I just wanted to say my piece and get out. First off, two thumbs up to D who somehow managed to keep his composure during this whole fiasco and actually taught us a lesson in human ethics and perserverance <sp?> I think I probably would have gone postal a long time ago. Also, Bruce's new album.. is totally sick. It (to me) resembles Maiden of old, except I did miss the tight rythem section of McBain and Harris. Also, KUDOS to Brian Adams out in Athens, Ohio... His bands album Brain Scan is one of the best I've heard in a long time. Very heavy tight rythems, with extremely melodic undertones which really stand out in many tracks and make the album what it is... and thats a balls to the wall Progressive metal album. Definatly check it out. Well.. I'm outty..
C-ya
ArchAngel fish69@juno.com
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 22:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Enough is Enough Message-ID: <01IKUSPFDV768ZE3WD@LTU.EDU>
Look, I know all YtseAsshole Flaming shitheads will probably post a contrary to what anyone cares to know about post after reading this, but, I don't give a fuck, go ahead and get off with it.
The point, people like Mike Bahr have posted some points of view that made some sense. But what does he and others like him get in response? A big fuck you flame....why? They wouldn't have to bother posting that stuff if people didn't bother bringing up shit NOT pertaining to DT or music for that matter. When I joined almost two years ago, I remember reading posts involving music content. The Ytsejam was a place for us to gather no matter music was being discussed. What the hell happened? This isn't the YtseSlam mailing list, or the YtsePoliticalFeelings mailing list either. Why doesn't every strongly angered individual write a big assed letter to the government crying about what you feel? It will save us bandwidth, that's for sure.
Look, the whole gay issue, bury it already. OK, I personally don't believe in it (and I am saying this for the record) but some individuals do decide to live this lifestyle. And if that individual is an Ytsejammer and happens to be gay, so what! We're all DT fans here, remember? That was what brought us on this mailing list in the first place. So, as Mike Bahr told me, and I agreed on, let's get this mailing list back to the basics again.....ok people? I wish all of us could make an effort to make this a music mailing list again and not a political debating arena. Leave your non-musical opinions alone, if one person believes the opposite of what you do, 10 times out of 10, you're not going to change their minds.
I hope this post doesn't start people flaming away at it, I just ask that you people read what I have posted and just think about it before you act. Let's just be Ytsejammers.
Later,
Jeff E.
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 19:45:47 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: whoops. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970704194546.007fdb00@postoffice.syspac.com>
Sorry my last post was sent twice. E-mail probs the past day or 2.
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 22:12:09 -0700 From: caber1@concentric.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Is there DTC out there; Treasure Land; Mindcrimer IS intelligent; damned psychics, they always see the future Message-ID: <33BDD769.72A3@concentric.net>
Hi everyone, Is there anyone who is trying to get really hate my long ass subject lines? ;)
> From: "Blondie Smurf" <cyradis1@hotmail.com> > Cool.. What's the comic about, if you want to email me about it instead > of spamming the 'jam with stuff that's not really DT/prog stuff... > always looking for another good comic.. Actually, usually, mostly, (couple of other words that end in -ly) I post everytime I hear DT on the radio. I do it to make everyone jealous. :) But it was "DT stuff" because guess what PMU and DT came up in the post.
This is from the latest FAQ that hasn't been released yet... Question: What makes a post acceptable, considered by most 'jammers? Answer: Mike Portnoy says "It must include their opinion on homosexuals in general, who shaved my head last, & what is progressive music. Also, somewhere in the post you have to mention the following words: bastard, asshole, fuckin'(with no 'g'), and fucking(with the 'g'). Oh yeah, you *have* to say when is the new DT album/tour?"
:)
--- > From: "Magnus Lind" <treasure.land@mailbox.swipnet.se> > Subject: Treasure Land > I´ve been to this list for awhile and I look forward to the new dt album > as much as all of you.while you guys are waiting take look at my bands > homesite and listen to some clips of our debut "Questions".You are also > free to write some lines in our guestbook. > Btw hve any any of you here on the jam heard us yet? Yup, I've heard your song Demons, great song btw! (Another)BTW, what is your URL?
--- > From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> > Subject: Queensryche > Just picked up the Queensryche CD Operation:Mindcrime and although, I have > had it on tape before, I never liked the album. But I listened to it again > when I bought it and love it. My musical tastes must be expanding. Anyhow, > can someone please send me an interpretation (storyline) of O:M. If you can, > I'd really appreciate it. O:M is a great album. But the whole story isn't on the album. I know you're thinking "SHUT UP!," but seriously there are somethings on the video that aren't on the album, from what I hear. I'm sure you've heard of Mindcrimer(you know that guy who thinks every band besides Qr sucks) well he has the whole story on his web page. Problem is I've lost his URL. I'm sure if you go to queensr˙che newsgroup, he'll have *at least* 10 posts up there with his full .sig.
--- I forget who said it but a couple o'jams ago, someone said now that they've said that the jam has been decent for awhile, it'll go to shit...Well you're psychic! That imposter did what he went out to accomplish, fuck over the jam! :(
I'm waiting to fall into infinite <--DTC ALERT ALERT DTC :) caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 22:08:25 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a bunch of (for the most part) crap Message-ID: <19970705020557.AAA23300@sni.pananet.com>
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>| | Bernd Basmer |
>| _I_ | Guitar - Superior |
So what exactly are you trying to say, Bernd? That you're somehow better than every other guitarist on this list? That we're not worthy of you? huh? ;)
>> from King's X: >> The Big Picture >> The World Around Me >> Black Flag >> >> As you may note, I couldn't even pick a fourth from this album. > >?!?!?! * * * * L O S T I N G E R M A N Y * * * *
heh, the riffmeister song! Everytime I hear that song, I'm reminded of how pathetic my rhythm playing is. And I must disagree w/ Mr. Bahr here since the self-titled is in fact my fave King's X CD... And Ironically, I consider 'The Big Picture', and Black Flag two of the not-that-good songs on it. That CD, for me, has it all... nice chunky guitars, harmonies,and all types of moods...
and 'Dream in My Life' helped me thru a homesick day during the infamous german winter.
Incidently, why is it that so many guitaristic terms come from food terminology? Meaty, Beefy, Crunch, Crisp, and the ever popular 'Bite'. I've never found anything in my tone that I could describe as 'bite'
and speaking of guitar, Kiko Loureiro (Angra guitarist) is incredible. Only one thing can describe this guy's playing: fluid. That guy is so fluid, I could swear he's playing a guitar made out of water. Fluidity RULES!
>I have returned! Summer boredom has inspired me to resubscribe as a partial >replacement for a life. :) As if you ever had one.;) Welcome back Ben!
Yesterday, for some reason unknown to me, I started liking Shadow Gallery. I've had CiS for about 6 months, and it always sounded too cheesy. Then yesterday I suddenly started kickin' it old school, and took out all my old stuff, and decided to give these guys a try, since they have more of an 80's sound, and now I've been listening to it all day... go figure.
And to those who don't like 'Brave' and want to give it away, I recommend you not to do so. I originally didn't like it either (hell, I bought Fear Factory on the same day...no a good match:) but about a month ago I was in a kind-of-not-tired-but-a-little-lazy-and-maybe-even-a-bit-depressed mood, and I felt like listening to it... and i did as they recommend: LOUD and with the lights out.... and by the end it practically brought me to tears. I haven't heard again since, but I'll keep it in hand for when I get in that mood again.
BTW I *did* doze off for about 2 songs, but the overall effect was impressive.
musician pick-up line of the day: "hey there, those notes are looking pretty sharp"
cool web-site of the day: the 'Bert is Evil' page http://fractalcow.com/bert that page hilarious.
lost in germany (or at least used to be), Ernie
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 23:31:12 -0700 From: Joe Wright <jrwee@gator.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: infinity and BEYOND!!! Message-ID: <33BDEA30.6AE5@gator.net>
>Now it's official, I'm proud to present the new CD-title: > >"FALLING INTO INFINITY" > >That's the title the band has chosen finally (hopefully...). >Okay, sit back, suck it in and watch out for more to come!! Is this title final? I think I had a dream like that once. Could it be a reference to death, and what comes after? Maybe JP's been having nightmares again. And what about the movie "Toy Story" and the catch phrase "To infinity and BEYOND!". I mean there is nothing past infinity so how can you go beyond it, unless interdimensional travel counts....just a thought.
-- The Joser jrwee@gator.net Go Gators http://members.aol.com/mindscap/
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 00:20:25 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marketing/Publicity prodigies. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970705002025.007a4bd0@nh.ultranet.com>
Scott had written:
>Glam did not "suck." One of glam's early contributors, David Bowie,
>is proof that it indeed does have talent.. you just need to seperate
>the crap from the good stuff in glam..
I just wanted to add that Alice Cooper was doing stuff that Bowie was
doing two years before. I love Bowie's music and he's one of my all
time favorite artists, but he tends to get credit for a lot of things he
didn't
create. I'm not flaming you, being a big Cooper fan and seeing the total
lack of credit he gets for what he contributed to metal/glam/theatrical
rock, I like to give him credit for the things he's done.
Scott
It's really interesting to see that this actually "mixes" in with today's material. I agree that Cooper started the whole thing (Bowie was later). Cooper was a very smart man, and he knew how to market himself. He sold the image and the music that went along with it. The truth of the matter is, that he knew that $$ would follow if he continued doing something considered abnormal and downright evil.
This follows into today.. Marilyn Manson. I HATE the music, I HATE the image, but, you have to give this guy some credit, he's probably as normal as you and me. He was probably a normal guy who liked Alice Cooper and realized what Alice had done..sold his image. A true marketing genius. Sell the image, attract the image and the $$ will follow. Didn't Alice discover him anyway?
<paraindent><param>out</param> I am not saying that I like Marilyn Manson, but I will give him some credit where it is due. Later, J</paraindent>
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 00:26:01 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Falling into Infinity! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970705002601.007b43e0@nh.ultranet.com>
That's so cool! I am so excited about the new name because it has personal ties... This may seem stupid but all of my speakers in my car are made by Infinity (kappa's) I can't wait to be "FALLING INTO INFINITY" with my Infinities! Lata, J
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 01:08:40 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2697 Message-ID: <v01530502afe3948665ad@[207.79.6.168]>
>>the old stuff. If you like classic rock, >>go see Styx, it was worth the $15 ticket.
Did they play anything from the first four albums - I, II, Serpent..., or Man of Miracles? Those were their good days. And even Pieces of 8 was their best album. I just might see 'em. Don't know yet. They've been kindof lacking the last 20 years.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 01:14:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Independence (pure coincidence that I post this on the 4th) Message-ID: <970705011412_-1642692997@emout02.mail.aol.com>
For the rest of us, though, it's not so easy -- no matter how hard you work on independence, it's really a difficult thing to get around. I've a hell of a lot of respect for good drummers, who have that independence in all four limbs. ***********
First of all...I have complete independce in 5 limbs. Second of all...once you get the hang of the drumming independence, it's not bad at all. Once you've reached that point, piano is much harder (as i've discovered in my laughable attempts to play classical piano) mainly because of the aim factor. Hitting a large circular surface with a stick is cake compared to the dexterity and finger breaking stretches required aLONG with the rhythmical independence demanded by some difficult piano works. The only consolation is that you have to do very little with your feet. :) But, there are some drum patterns that can be a major bitch.
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