YTSEJAM Digest 2696
Today's Topics:
1) Slayer??
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
2) 8-Track Stuph
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
3) Blackmore's night
by "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt>
4) Wow!
by eckie@asu.edu
5) Michael Coghlan
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
6) Re: Use the man (NDTC)
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
7) Death Threats on Vinyl
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
8) Mastermind/Fish show in Philly
by kdrottoman@juno.com (Ryan P Inverso)
9) The Buttered Cat Theory!!!!
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
10) N E W D R E A M T H E A T E R CD-Title!
by "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
11) Use The Man (NDTC)
by rsjm@thezone.net (Jeff Taylor)
12) Sensitivity Training 101
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2684
by Ftlikebear@aol.com
14) 1 line waste; Well I say you're...; Your guide to ancient French to Ignorant redneckish; mutant threads; plus 2 lines of nonsense
by caber1@concentric.net
15) Re: Use the Man
by Mike Hill <psytron@ntr.net>
16) Misunderstandings, and more..
by "D. Ryan Whitaker" <David_Whitaker@BAYLOR.EDU>
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 10:24:38 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Slayer??
Message-ID: <33BCB343.266F@westend.com>
Hi!
>YOU WILL DIE!
>I WILL KILL YOU!
One single mention of Slayer on the Jam and this is the result ;-))
Anyway, it was about music, at least. If you want to read something
about Dream Theater, scan the news pages of the official page at
rsabbs.com, or at the THE MIRROR pages for all German fans.
Steffen
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 10:54:05 +0200
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 8-Track Stuph
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970704105405.007d1100@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hoi!!
I just knew that this would appear and that people would want to hear
this 8-track stuff... :)
Well, what do you expect... I naturally can't send this tape to
anyone. Don't even think about selling or trading it. This is for
the record companies only because they want to know what
we are doing all the time... :) This doesn't mean, that I wouldn't
WANT to give this stuff away. I'd really like to get some opinions
from people outside the band. But I'm just not allowed to do it.
Copyright and stuff... Sorry, people.
Bye.
Bernd.
/me loads the potato rifle and goes to shoot some saladheads.
[Inside joke]
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:13:01 +0100
From: "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Blackmore's night
Message-ID: <19970704100219.AAA31679@host.telepac.pt>
Hi !
I want to buy the 'Shadow of The moon' the 1st album of the new project
Blackmore's night, and I would like to hear some opinions. I know that is a
girl singing (Candice Night), and is an accouistic album with renascence
and baroque melodies. Well I know almost everything about the album, but I
would like to know some opinions.
Next months will be full of choices, the new of Gamma Ray, Malmsteen,
Savatage, DT, Virgin Steele, Manowar Live, Running Wild (maybe), ...
Suggestion: Buy the new Stratovarius - 'Visions'
Bye
Antonio Sousa
zombie@mail.telepac.pt
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 02:04:50 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Wow!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970704015054.28760A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
With all this hype and hoopla...I must say, you've all driven me to
something I thought I'd never admit.
Well, I'm going to take a stand and say,
I am Derek Sherinian's blonde, gay lover. Yep that's right. A guitarist
and a keyboardist in the throes of lust.
I offered my services to James, but he insisted that he stay at his
caribou farms...he's enjoying himself far too much for a guitarist to
take care of his sexual needs.
How many conservative jammers have I disgusted yet? How many
conservatives listen to Dream Theater, for that matter? Yeah, I'm
generalizing with the term, "Conservatives," 'cuz that's the way I am!
*Big-ass middle finger fling*
Heh! DTC AND homosexual content in one grand note! Bwaha!
I don't mean to say that I'm conservative...I'm more of a well. If I'm
porkin' the keyboardist from Dream Theater, I wouldn't call myself that,
would you? Speakin' of sex and ackwardness, I juss saw this re-run (I
never saw it when it first aired) of Loveline with that comedian dude
Bobcat (forgot last name...oh well)....that had to be the funniest thing
I've seen on TV in a LOOOOOONG time! 'Course, the radio show's still
superior to the Money TV version. Busted a gut I did.
There are still a couple wardrobe numbers I wouldn't mind seein' the band
in once in a while. If Petrucci, or anybody in the band for that matter,
could swap between the GI Joe shirt, a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
shirt, and a Voltron shirt, I think that'd rule! Oh wait...they're a
generation BEFORE the Ninja Turtles....
One last note, Bafu, for some odd reason, Derek seems to keep calling
your name when he climaxes.
*shrug*
Flame away my friends,
or just...be a flamer!
:)
Peace be with you and GOD BLESS!
~Eckie
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:43:16 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Michael Coghlan
Message-ID: <199707040943.CAA27181@goodnet.com>
You know, I'm genuinely disappointed in some of you Jammers
tonight.
Michael Coghlan's opinions may not be popular, and I don't
necessarily agree with any of them, but he has a backbone... a spine... he
knows how he feels and he sticks to it. Most people are so spineless, they
stay safely on the PC bandwagon so nobody will think they're "insensitive"
or "evil". White liberal guilt. (before anyone jumps on my politically,
remember that I'm a registered libertarian, and that throws most of your
arguments against me out the window).
Think for yourselves, people. And when someone actually has the
nuts to stick with what they believe in, it's a damned crying shame that
the rest of you have to rip and tear at him like a bunch of MTV-News
anchors. Are you all so dedicated to the PC standard??
This isn't NDTC either. Our favourite bands, by and large,
represent a state of being that isn't popular these days. Kids today want
angst, anger, fear, and slackness (is that a word?)... they want to listen
to NIN, Marilyn Manson, Green Day, and so forth. Everything that our music
speaks for, those bands speak against. Everything our bands speak against,
those bands embrace. We are the dedicated followers of intricate, melodic
(Dream Theater), historically individualist (Rush), heavily spiritual
(King's X), positive, motivated, and dedicated (Queensryche), and
otherwise generally pro-active and pro-existence bands and lifestyles.
We're in this life for the long haul. We don't blame everyone else for our
troubles. We don't look to the fates or to Satan or to blind luck for our
fortunes... we carve them out ourselves, and some of us seek the help of a
divine being along the way. Just the fact that you're hardcore enough of a
fan of DT to be on the Jam tells me that you can respect the position of
someone with an unpopular opinion, and that you know that perhaps there
are times when the right way isn't the way you thought it was. And you
know that sometimes you're right, even though nobody agrees with you. I'm
willing to bet that's how M.C. feels _right now_.
That being said, I think you all ought to take back the stones you
threw at Michael, and keep them as ammo... we'll need them to defend our
beliefs and lifestyles as the world slides further toward the sewer.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
PS. Please don't anyone think I'm a doomsayer... I'm in this for the fun
of it too. But I'll be double-dog-damned if I'm going to let my opinions
be trampled upon... or watch the same happen to those of someone else.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:53:43 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Use the man (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199707040957.CAA14168@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 07/04/97 01:48am -0700
Roger,
The intro to deth's Use the man is a song called Needles and
Pins by the Searchers.
Check the Megadeth Faq for more info:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Tfaq.htm
Mark Smeets/Stranger0
Feel our bodies breathing as you try to stop believing, there's nothing you can do
about your shadows, you can't fight us, you are like us and your body will betray
you. Lay down and die like all the others. Where are the angels and their wings of
freedom. Jesus had his day off when they pulled you through - Bruce Dickinson,
Accident of Birth
Look for me on ICQ
Check out the Megadeth Faq/Megadeth Webring - Circle Of Deth:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm
My Page:
http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 06:52:50 -0500
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Death Threats on Vinyl
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970704065248.0068f030@enteract.com>
>Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 15:05:31 EDT
>From: george.farber@juno.com (George Farber)
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: I WILL KILL YOU!
>
>YOU ALL WILL DIE!
>THERE IS NO ESCAPE!
>I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
<snip>
Or, as Mads & I like to sing...
"You're gonna dieeeee!
You're gonna dieeeee!
Cut in half, face taped up,
HA HA HA HA HA!"
Now for the DTC:
Has DT put anything on vinyl. Every once in a while, I hit a Record Swap,
and look for DT, but I'd like to know if I'm searching in vain...
-Maddy
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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:12:28 -0400
From: kdrottoman@juno.com (Ryan P Inverso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mastermind/Fish show in Philly
Message-ID: <19970430.031236.13382.0.KdrOttoman@juno.com>
Hey,
I was just writing to let all you jammer's in the Philly area that don't
already know about it that one of the best local prog acts, Mastermind,
are gonna be playing with Fish from marillion on July 19th at the TLA in
Philly...it should be one kick ass show...I got a chance to Bullshit with
the guys from Mastermind after thier awesome set before the Rush show at
the Sony Blockbuster Entertainment Center. They played on the second
stage there. If you haven't heard Mastermind then you should definitly
check this show out...they are un fucking believable...I was blown away
the first time I saw them when they opened for Joe Satriani at the
Electric Factory.....and then to see them at the Rush show was such a
treat...anyway if any of you get a chance definitly try to check this
show out...I will be there with a few of my friends from another great
local prog band...(by the way when I say local I mean south
jersey).....Atlantis...well that's all for me...Cant' wait for the new DT
album.....
Peace,
Ryan Inverso
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 07:54:54 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Buttered Cat Theory!!!!
Message-ID: <199707041356.HAA08995@mailmx.micron.net>
>oh, and just one thing to consider... i'd love to see what kind of
>response someone would get if they said "i'm not black, but i have
>strong opinions about those that are".... think about that for a
>moment.
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but that comment has nothing to
do with anything we've been talking about. How often does someone one day
decide "hmm I think I'll be black." Once again, I'm not saying i
like/don't like or agree/don't agree with being gay, I'm just saying that
being gay and being black are in no way analogous to each other, and I have
quite a few black friends that would take offense at that. I really hope
skadz jumps in on this topic real quick.
in other news, I was ICQ chatting with 2 of our good friends that aren't
with us anymore namely KorgX3 and Rip, and we added something to the
"buttered cat theory" which you all may or may not be familiar with. in
case of the latter, i'll explain:
cats always land on their feet. bread/toast always lands butter side down
(according to Murphy's law). therefore, when you butter the back of a cat
and drop it, it does not land at all. It just... floats. that's the
buttered cat theory. well, we added another hypothetical tidbit. since in
all multi-story plumbing systems turds flow uphill, we concluded (using
our infinite wisdom/boredom) that if you attach (velcro, staples, or i
guess you could just squish it on there, although if it mixes with the
butter it could be counter-productive) a turd to the cat while it's
floating, it will actually begin to float up! how far up depends on the
size of the turd, but it is recommended that you only use the turds of
small animals, because if you were to use a Bafu size turd, it could very
well send the poor feline into the stratosfere.
we also discussed the conspiricy that MTV and Guitar World magazine are
employing in order to turn the average musician/music lover into a grunge
musician/grunge music lover, but that theory is just, well, a little too
far fetched for me.
:)
woot
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:24:47 100
From: "Michael Kohsiek" <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: N E W D R E A M T H E A T E R CD-Title!
Message-ID: <40CD9AA3E16@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de>
Hi DreamHeads!
Now it's official, I'm proud to present the new CD-title:
"FALLING INTO INFINITY"
That's the title the band has chosen finally (hopefully...).
Okay, sit back, suck it in and watch out for more to come!!
Michael
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 12:19:29 -0300
From: rsjm@thezone.net (Jeff Taylor)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Use The Man (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199707041516.MAA10019@firma.thezone.net>
Rogerio Brito writes:
> Do any of you know what is the oldie song on the beginning of "Use
>the Man"? I think that I have heard it a long time ago, but I sincerely
>don't know what is its name or who has written it.
It's called "Needles and Pins" by the Searchers. Needles and Pins was, of
course, the original title of Cryptic Writings, so I guess that's the
reason why the song is there.
Take care,
Jeff
"My life story's a comic book, that explains the way I look."
-MD.45
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:57:05 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sensitivity Training 101
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970704115658.00689400@mail.ici.net>
>But what really annoys me is how people forget about
>what they actually do to gay people by saying things
>like "That dude gave D-Man a bad image."
Frankly, I don't see it that way. Most of the people have been supportive,
and rather non-judgemental, which kind of suprised me. I think special
kudos go to D-Man himself for his initial calm handling of the situation.
Of course, the fact that the crap continued gives him acceptible motivation
to "go postal" on this guy. :)
-----
>YOU ALL WILL DIE!
>THERE IS NO ESCAPE!
>I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
>I WILL KILL YOU!
Well, it's good to see that you can handle your high.......
(I apologize in advance to any drug abusers I have have been insensitive to
with that comment)
-----
>> Nice try, trying to get money out of me for nothing. Fat fuckin'
>> chance.
>
>HEY!! I HAPPEN TO BE FAT!! YOU CIRCUMFERENCIALIST!!
=-=-=-
>> acting...(why did I say it like that? nobody asked me if I was.) I'm
playing
>
>Why *did* you say it like that? You got a problem with actors? Are
>you actoraphobic? Afraid of thespians?
=-=-=-
Hmm...now we've been insensitive to gays, druggies, fat people and
thespians. Maybe LoneWolf was right - We *are* a bunch of pricks. :)
Oh, and I won't even glorify M. Coughlan's return to the jam with a quote,
other than one from me: "Shut the fuck up. You're Being A Dick (tm). Again."
-----
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: "Working Man" - A Rush Tribute
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 12:21:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ftlikebear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2684
Message-ID: <970704122123_680167102@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Take me off your mail list, my son ask for your listing, i'm getting tired of
erasing your messagesyou bombard me with , daily.
thanks
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:45:23 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 1 line waste; Well I say you're...; Your guide to ancient French to Ignorant redneckish; mutant threads; plus 2 lines of nonsense
Message-ID: <33BD44C3.717F@concentric.net>
Hey all,
Hmm I don't know how to begin this, so, I'll just waste space...
Ok, the last couple of jams had a couple posts about homosexuality. Now
it doesn't matter what I am or what you are or what anybody is(unless
you like/dislike them ;). But there was one post that I thought could
really start a flame war. I won't post it because if you didn't see it
that's better. But really everyone just don't post your opinions about
homosexuality. Some people get really pissed(as they should). And if you
*must* express your opinions get out the ole pen and paper and write to
Rush Limbagh! :)
D-ster wrote:
> > What's so passi about boys acting like boys and girls acting like girls? No - it
> Is "passi" a word? I don't have my Ignorant-Redneck-to-English dictionary
> handy. Care to help me with this one?
Well this guy did what the French call a "faux pas". Ya see Ignorant
Redneckish was derived from ancient French. And one of the things that
was changed is the 'I' sounds like 'a' not like 'uh' as in anceint
French. So, if we translate his phrase literally we get "I'm gay, but I
can't live with myself." Hope this helps you out D-Man and any others
who were confused.
"Come back again y'here"
:)
The jam is always better in the summer! How else could we get the a
whole KX review. That's turns into which songs are abortion
songs(pro-life/anti-choice whatever you want to call it)? I wonder what
this will turn into? :-)
To whoever posted about that Image comic(I forget the name something
with a P) could you email the number and the title, pretty please.
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 12:43:29 -0400
From: Mike Hill <psytron@ntr.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Use the Man
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970704164329.00b7d788@ntr.net>
the song at the beginning of "Use the Man" is called "Needles and Pins", and
I believe the name of the group is the Searchers or something like that..
later,
mike
psytron@ntr.net
> Hi, there.
>
> Do any of you know what is the oldie song on the beginning of "Use
>the Man"? I think that I have heard it a long time ago, but I sincerely
>don't know what is its name or who has written it.
>
> So, could you share your wisdom with the other poor jammers? :-)
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 12:51:31 +0000
From: "D. Ryan Whitaker" <David_Whitaker@BAYLOR.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Misunderstandings, and more..
Message-ID: <9707041747.AA31124@ccis01.baylor.edu>
> > I only scan this posting and this is the second time a person has posted
> > about being a homosexual in less than a week. As you older Jammers know I
> > don't put forth an effort to be politically correct. I'd rather just shoot
>
> "Don't put forth an effort to be politically correct"? No, Mike, you're
> an ignorant, hateful, tasteless asshole who has no place on this list.
I didn't see Coghlan spewing hate towards anybody. If I recall,
he, in more or less words, says he hates the sin and loves the
sinner. And in no way did he come across as hating ANYBODY on the
jam.
> > What's so passi about boys acting like boys and girls acting like girls? No - it
>
> Is "passi" a word? I don't have my Ignorant-Redneck-to-English dictionary
> handy. Care to help me with this one?
By the way, D-Man, it WAS spelled right. Your e-mail program just
couldn't handle the truth. It had an accented 'e'.
> > "fix" or change anything for the better. I can accept the (gay)person as a person,
> > I just can't accept the lifestyle.
>
> Do you know that that makes no sense? Yeah, I know, dumb question.
It makes perfect sense. I, too, am very much like Mike. I have
several friends who are gay. They know I don't agree with
homosexuality, but that doesn't prevent me from loving them. That,
my friends, is an example of Christ's love for *everybody*.
And if you all think we're pushing our beliefs onto you, it's no
different than say King's X or Galactic Cowboys. Well, I guess it
is, because they're mass producing CDs, and all of you are buying
them, and even publishing the lyrics of some songs here. If we
formed our thoughts into songs, would you like us then? As it stands
now, this jam is free. Skip over Christian posts if you hate us.
It's not us hating you.
David
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