YTSEJAM Digest 2695
Today's Topics:
1) Hello, I must be going.
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
2) Re: Complete collections
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
3) Trade, anyone???
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
4) Rumors of my death.....
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
5) The song on beginning of "Use the Man"??
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
6) Amorphis...
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi>
7) my $0.000002 on this whole discussion...
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
8) Glam fags
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
9) Re: glam..
by mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook)
10) Both of them in one digest! What are the odds?
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
11) Re: There Goes Another.....(NDTC)
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:31:59 PDT
From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
To: paperlate@ansto.gov.au, bong@commline.com, ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hello, I must be going.
Message-ID: <199707040632.XAA26537@f28.hotmail.com>
Due to the fact that I will be at the Berklee Summer Performance Program
for the next 5 weeks(sorry all you anti-Berklee people who just posted
to the jam) I will have to unsubscribe until I can get back online and
be in a position to check my mail regularly. Hopefully, that will be
when I go back to school in August, but I'm not sure.
Bye! :-)
"I call you for I must leave.
You're on your own until the end[of August].
There was a choice, but now it's gone.
I said you wouldn't understand.
Take what's yours and be damned."
Genesis-Guide Vocal.
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame.
Don't you see life's a game?
So take hold of the flame.
You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:40:44 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Complete collections
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970703150844.3867C-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Neil Gallop wrote:
> Let's assume a group X has three or more albums. You like at least two of these
> albums. Do you buy the others (which you don't really like that much) just to
> complete the set?
Well, I just did that with "Awake" (I bought it last week only --
I don't really care that much for it as much as I do with Images and Words
and When Dream and Today Unite). But I have the feeling that it is much
better than the average of the other CDs.
And I think that I only have "the complete works" of two bands:
- Dream Theater;
- Metallica.
But I'm not considering getting the singles, only albums (I don't
know if you implicitly took singles to mean albums or not). Anyway, I
don't know if I'm choosy or tight-fisted or not, but I have other
priorities in life to buy CDs only because I don't need them. I'm very
much against this compulsive buying mania and I think that I need a better
stereo soon. But sooner than that I need some books.
[]s and "Happy Birthday, Neil", Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:46:27 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trade, anyone??? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970704034320.5800A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
Ok.
Some of you may have seen a post of mine to the jam just a while ago saying that I was very much into the "...And Justice" days. So, I'm searching videos from that tour and this will be the last time I'm posting my list to the jam (I think that it is getting very big and the waste of bandwidth... you know that).
Here goes the post I sent to some newsgroups:
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Hi. I'm very interested in the following: - Videos from the Master of Puppets or Justice Tour (Metallica); - Any video by Dream Theater; - 100 Club, The Covers Show (Metallica); - Any video by Megadeth (old or new). I'm *really*, *really* interested in high quality, low generation videos from the "...And Justice for All" Tour. If you any of the videos listed above, I'll be very happy to trade with you (unfortunately, I can only trade videos in NTSC and PAL-M video systems; sorry, no SECAM or other PAL variations). If you can dub in HiFi, please let me know. I'll give priority those who can dub with HiFi enabled.
If you have other bootlegs in which I could be interested (both audio and video), please, send me an e-mail with your list. More information about the list below and the other bootlegs that I have can be seen at my bootleg home page (now it is updated), where this list cames from (information such as videos, trading rules, setlists and other details) or by sending an e-mail to <rbrito@ime.usp.br>. All my videos are listed on my home page, as well as the setlists. If you have any questions, please send an e-mail. My homepage URL is: <http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html>.
Please, read my rules. Thank you.
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DREAM THEATER
Uncovered London '95 120' CD Guitar Talkin' (Acoustic & New Songs) various '91-'95 75' CD Wake Up Japan '95 130' 1st gen Another Uncovered Germany '95 80' 2nd gen When Dream and Today Unite various ??? 80' CD Fix for '96 Toad's Place'96 135' ??? gen Mind Control Japan '95 110' CD Lords of Sound USA '93 100' CD Lie Single (w/ "To Live Forever" studio) studio '95 15' 1st gen The Silent Man Single (w/ "Eve" studio) studio '95 15' 1st gen Lost in the Sky Milan '93 110' 1st gen The Dance of Eternity (old ACOS) New York '94 110' 1st gen
MEGADETH
Megadeth Live USA '92 35' 1st gen Punishment is Due Europe '93 77' CD Live in Ferrocarril Oeste Argentina '95 70' CD
METALLICA
Live Shit: Binge & Purge Mexico City '93 180' CD Donnington'95 Donnington '95 56' CD Covering'em I compilation --- 73' CD Covering'em II compilation --- 75' CD Metallica - Halloween compilation '82-'92 68' CD Garage Days Re-Revisited + B-sides & Demos studio '87-'91 72' CD Creeping Death EP + Jump in the Fire EP studio '84 30' CD Kill'em All + Am I Evil? + Blitzkrieg studio '83 62' CD No Life Till Leather studio '82 30' CD Apocalyptica: plays Metallica by four Cellos studio '9x 40' CD Metal Milita I studio '96 xx' CD The Lemmys (better than "We are the Lemmys") Los Angeles '95 73' CD Rough Justice (Justice Demos) studio '88 60' CD Live Shit Load Vienna '96 75' 1st gen .And Justice for Woodstock New York '94 75' 2nd gen Secret Demos studio '84-'88 50' 1st gen London, Astoria'95 London '95 140' 2nd gen Sweden'87 Sweden '87 80' 2nd gen Enter Mudman Woodstock 2 '94 100' CD Loud but Secret London '95 140' CD Totally Destroy Canada Hamilton '92 160' CD Load Your B-Sides various '96 70' 1st gen - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hope to hear from you soon, Roger...
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-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rumors of my death..... Message-ID: <199707040629.AA04489@crl11.crl.com>
..were greatly exaggerated. :)
I'm still around and I've archived (but not read) all the Jams for several months. I've been super-busy helping stage Dragon*Con here in Atlanta and am only now returning to a slightly more normal schedule. :)
Forgery? D-Man? Homosexuality? On the next Springer? :)
-- +-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... ---+ | I would raise a shelter to the sky... (Dream Theater, | | And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") | +-- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com http://www.crl.com/~vanyel --+
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 04:00:42 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The song on beginning of "Use the Man"?? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970704035711.5885A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
Hi, there.
Do any of you know what is the oldie song on the beginning of "Use the Man"? I think that I have heard it a long time ago, but I sincerely don't know what is its name or who has written it.
So, could you share your wisdom with the other poor jammers? :-)
Thank you very much, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: 4 Jul 97 10:06:13 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi> To: Ytse Jam (Dream Theater Mailing List) <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Amorphis... Message-ID: <0021ED5D0200000101003B4555042E@mlespser1001.metsaliitto.fi>
It's fifty years from Rush-well and 'jamanoids are everywhere! Greetings!
The soccer wizard known as Rogerio Brito said:
> Well, after hearing to the new Megadeth a lot of times, I think >that Amorphis' "Elegy" is much better :-) (yes, I bought that a few days >back). Cryptic Writings only has some good songs on it. Maybe I was just >expectings something very thrashy (this is what you get from hearing those >comments on the net) and it was not what I found.
> BTW, can you tell me what to expect from the other Amorphis >releases??
Buy "Tales from the Thousand Lakes" next and after that, don't buy anything. Everything up to "Tales" is quite brutal death metal and you probably won't like it. At least I don't. "Tales" is doomier than "Elegy", but just as great, only in a different way. Their latest effort, an EP called "My Kantele" sees their style going more progressive, they even cover two prog songs, Hawkwind's "Levitation" and Kingston Wall's "And I Hear You Call".
BTW, everyone visit the renewed official Stratovarius page at
http://www.netlife.fi/stratovarius
_Mape_
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:13:17 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: my $0.000002 on this whole discussion... Message-ID: <19970704071030.AAA1712@subtlerage.avalon.net>
> It would be nice for all of the homos/lesbians and other persons who like to > perform unnatural acts with their body and other peoples bodies to get back in > the closet and lock the door. If you were to honestly, with mild determination > consider all the facts about homosexuality most of you would conclude that this > is a perversion (one of many) of humanity. Now I know some may .. take objection > to this commentary, I can appreciate that, but before you flame look at this > candidly before reacting. Women and men are made for each other and in more ways > than just anatomically.
it would be nice if the narrow minded ignorant homophobes such as yourself would quit your pointless whining and shut the hell up already. your opinons do not change the fact that gay/bi/les activities and lifestyles exist. so why present them? just to piss people off? that seems rather juvenile to me. we're not going anywhere, regardless of how *you* feel about it. you can't change what people are, not matter how *you* feel about it. so *you* will just have to live with it.
oh, and just one thing to consider... i'd love to see what kind of response someone would get if they said "i'm not black, but i have strong opinions about those that are".... think about that for a moment.
-Andrew any flames may be sent to subtlerage@subtlerage where they will be promptly discarded --------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage | | http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com | | "first impressions" released. cassettes available | | an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 | ---------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:44:16 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Glam fags Message-ID: <19970704.002404.3422.1.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
I can't believe people are talking about this shit. I'm usually against defending myself about stereotyping and stuff, but I'll make an exception here.
The term "glam fag" has nothing to do with Homosexuals. If I would've said Glam faggot, then that's a different story. It was only a phrase I used not a sweeping comment. If were to ask someone my dad's age to roll me a fag he would go to a gay bar and mug someone, he'd roll a cigarette.
They're just words people, take a deep breath and relax.
Scott
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:04:00 -0700 From: mamalookabubuday@juno.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: glam.. Message-ID: <19970704.002404.3422.3.Mamalookabubuday@juno.com>
On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:59:05 -0700 (PDT) al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso) writes: > > >Glam did not "suck." One of glam's early contributors, David Bowie, >is proof that it indeed does have talent.. you just need to seperate >the crap from the good stuff in glam..
I just wanted to add that Alice Cooper was doing stuff that Bowie was doing two years before. I love Bowie's music and he's one of my all time favorite artists, but he tends to get credit for a lot of things he didn't create. I'm not flaming you, being a big Cooper fan and seeing the total lack of credit he gets for what he contributed to metal/glam/theatrical rock, I like to give him credit for the things he's done.
Scott
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 03:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Both of them in one digest! What are the odds? Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970704024341.13889F-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
OK, first up, Prick #1:
> From: impostor@wee.wee > > LoneWolf gets point number one! If you asked any Ytsejammer last > week how they felt about gays, you would receive a nearly unanimous > vote for "I feel they're equal with heteros." The second a fake gay > comes in, it's "Shame, shame, defaming D-Man like that!!" Hypocrisy
No one thought what you did was shameful because you attempted to make me seem like a homosexual. In fact, all of the private e-mail I received this week said, and I paraphrase, "It doesn't matter. You're still just D-Man." What you did was shameful because you impersonated me and led people to believe that I am someone that I am not.
> on the Jam? Nah, it couldn't be. Oh wait, your honor, I present you > evidence, culminating from the D-Man himself!
You obvoiusly have no concept of the meanings of the words "honor" and "culminating."
> > Then, I bet this guy was going to, like, try to get my TDOW from > > Mike or something, or get the tape I owe Pam, or just get to hug me > > or something. All foiled! How's it feel, tough guy? You're just > > not good enough. :) > > Negative connotation toward gays, anyone?
No, not at all. I was merely testing a couple of hypotheses. Hypothesis number one, you're gay and you were trying to hook up with me. We can apparently rule that one false. Hypothesis two, you're insecure about your own sexuality, and are, indeed, a homophobe. I think we nailed that one. I don't see how anything I've (ever) written was hateful, homophobic, or stereotypical of homosexuals. Then again, people of your educational level generally do tend to resort to lies to win these sort of debates.
> The only reason I say I'm heterosexual is because I don't want to > lose chick opportunity. Yes! I can't wait for replies to this > paragraph. (ie. "You immature, fakin'-e-mail-addresses loser, you > don't even HAVE chick opportunity!")
Actually, that's not what I was thinking. What I was thinking was that you have no respect for either homosexuals *or* women. It's sad how much you project your self-hatred on entire other groups of people, it really is.
> Man, you and Mike sure are goobs if you didn't catch the sarcasm.
It was so well presented, too. You're such a gifted writer. First, you had the entire list convinced that you were me. How could we not see the sarcasm in your post?
Or, is this just your 20/20 hindsight realizing that your plan to sound like me backfired, and you need an excuse for posting what you did?
> The second point I was trying to make is, man, it sure is easy to > write fake e-mail. I'm sure there's a couple hundred people who > learned at least a little from D-Man's teaching session. Be careful, > people.
So, your intention was to teach people a lesson, but you couldn't do it yourself, and therefore needed to sucker me into teaching it for you? Again, a poor attempt to cover your tracks. You were just too stupid to get any of this right the first time.
> Adios, people. It's been fun. And it's funny, whoever thinks they > can track me down, I don't even get the Jam on this account. Even > if you did somehow trace it back to my ISP, I could care less, I'm > about to change anyway. This one sucks a big donkey.
You're so misguided. Enjoy the world of shit you've earned yourself.
----
And just when you thought it was safe to read the jam again, here comes prick #2 out of nowhere again, spreading his hateful neo-hitlerian crap on our list again.
> From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com > Subject: There Goes Another.....(NDTC) > > Dear Y-jammers: > > What's the deal with this?...... > > >*trying* to give D-man a bad image. Not succeeding. I myself am 'gayer > >than a hootie' and am not saying that the person succeeded. D-man has > > I only scan this posting and this is the second time a person has posted > about being a homosexual in less than a week. As you older Jammers know I > don't put forth an effort to be politically correct. I'd rather just shoot
"Don't put forth an effort to be politically correct"? No, Mike, you're an ignorant, hateful, tasteless asshole who has no place on this list.
> straight (no pun intended) than to waste time and try for acceptance. If > you guys/girls - men/women yield to this type of presentation maybe you'll > consider another point of view (I can always hope). :)
I think it's fair to assume that most of us are willing to consider other points of view. I think that's how most of us became fans of progressive music. However, your viewpoints are generally antisocial and inhuman, and that's the reason you're never accepted back here.
> It would be nice for all of the homos/lesbians and other persons who like to > perform unnatural acts with their body and other peoples bodies to get back in > the closet and lock the door.
A lot of things would be nice, Mike. It would be nice if you were to stop judging people based on what they do when you're not around. It would be nice if you were to stop judging people based on biological differences between you and them. It would be nice if you were to stop judging people. You're merely another man, Mike. No better or worse than the rest of us. You have no place sitting in judgment of others.
> If you were to honestly, with mild determination > consider all the facts about homosexuality most of you would conclude that this > is a perversion (one of many) of humanity. Now I know some may .. take objection > to this commentary, I can appreciate that, but before you flame look at this
What I take objection to is the fact that you refer to your "commentary" as "facts." There are no facts about homosexuality that lead to this conclusion of perversion, unless you have a really really broad definition of perversion. Something like "things people do."
> candidly before reacting. Women and men are made for each other and in more ways > than just anatomically.
And men are made for each other in many ways, and women are made for each other in many ways. Most importantly (and most prevalently) in emotional ways, but why should that preclude anything else?
> What's so passi about boys acting like boys and girls acting like girls? No - it
Is "passi" a word? I don't have my Ignorant-Redneck-to-English dictionary handy. Care to help me with this one?
> ain't "ok" to be gay and "gay pride" is an oxymoron. Being a gay isn't "bad", it's
That's not an oxymoron at all. Healthy, normal people (unlike you and Prick #1) are proud to be what they are, and we don't have to spend our lives comparing everything to our neighbors' lives. I'm ok because I'm me, not because I'm not you.
> abnormal - please don't start with the "with is normal and who's...."
Gee, I was just about to get to the "with is normal and who's" too. Damn.
> Gay-bashing > if I understand the term, is juvenile and small-minded. Violence of this nature cannot
The term "gay-bashing" no longer refers only to violence. It now refers to any hateful action against people because they're gay. For instance, wishing that all gay people would go back into the closet and lock the door is an example of gay bashing. Prick.
> "fix" or change anything for the better. I can accept the (gay)person as a person, > I just can't accept the lifestyle.
Do you know that that makes no sense? Yeah, I know, dumb question.
Do us all a favor, Mike. Get off our list, and, if you must reply, do so in private, if you can manage to live without seeing your name in print.
> p.s. I just got "Paranoid" and it takes me back some.
No, you've been paranoid for quite some time, I'm afraid.
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:20:34 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: There Goes Another.....(NDTC) Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0704082034-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
> From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com > > It would be nice for all of the homos/lesbians and other persons who like > to perform unnatural acts with their body and other peoples bodies to get > back in the closet and lock the door.
Mr Coghlan, why not just fuck off to heaven and leave us to sin in peace?
Graham
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