YTSEJAM Digest 2694
Today's Topics:
1) Forgery, Impersonation, & Murder
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
2) Hey Digital Man
by ClPuritan@aol.com
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by impostor@wee.wee
4) Pro-Life and RUSH!
by edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III)
5) Re: Another Day/SDV midi
by WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca>
6) a bunch of seemingly non-related replies all strung together.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
7) I agree whole-heartedly
by "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
8) There Goes Another.....(NDTC)
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com
9) Re[2]: Robert Johnson
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
10) Re: Superior on the jam
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2688
by Thrak75@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:28:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Wet Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Forgery, Impersonation, & Murder
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970703192725.43244B-100000@dante17.u.washington.edu>
Crimes of the heart? You be the judge.
---- > From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop) > Subject: Complete collections > > Hi all (with the obvious exception of the arse-wipe mail forger)HEY!! YOU FORGIST!!
> How is it with you people out there? Does this mean that I'm choosy or > simply tight-fisted?
It means you have to do that dance D-Man was talking about a few weeks ago. It also means that you're gay. AND you're a nazi.
---- > From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) > > Listen, whoever you are, take some good advice: You've managed to prove > beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are an incompetent fool. Stop > fooling around with your daddy's computer; go back to your room and > play with your Tonka toys or something, because if you keep posting in > here, you're going to get hurt.
Yeah!! Listen, whoever you are: If you really have Tonka toys, can I play? :)
> Maybe that'll end up being the new *cool* Ytsejam trend: You used to be > *cool* if you got an EOJ, now you'll be *cool* if this pusbrain > impersonates you (badly). :)
Geez, I hope not, otherwise I'm in for about a thousand impersonations...
---- > From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > Subject: spam, spam, anti-abortion songs, spam, bafu, and spam > >> Doesn't Galatic Cowboys' "If I Were a Killer" also have a pro-life >> vibe. I don't want to start abortion as a topic of discussion here on >> the jam, I just want to address that song as having a pro-life stance. > > I don't know much at all about KX, so I can't address that song. But > "If I Were A Killer" seems to me the least likely song to be > anti-abortion. It's just about a guy who wants to be a mass murderer. > Simply fun stuff like that. :)
I actually thought about the lyrics to the song when the pro-life topic was brought up, and it made sense. I don't have the actual lyrics with me, but this is what I remember. Read these over line by line, keeping the pro-life slant in mind:
Verse 1: This is just a hypothetical story Of someone, let's just say it's me. I'd gain acceptance for my murderous ways By stalking a defenseless prey.
Verse 2: Supreme court would agree to hear my case And find me innocent of crime. Holding public rallies to incite sympathy, Created actuality.
Chorus: If I were a killer, (followed by a random combination of the following lines) I'd say I'm doing it for the poor I'd hide behind a doctor's door You'd bring me victims more and more I'd scrape you off my office floor (is that what he says?)
I figure this song could very easily be a sarcastic insult of the pro-choice movement.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 23:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ClPuritan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hey Digital Man Message-ID: <970703233232_1926607554@emout01.mail.aol.com>
Digital Man you should read the lyrics to GC's "If I Were a Killer". It is definitely a pro-life song. (Now I am taking a more definitive stance.) Explain "I'd hide behind a doctor's door", etc. There are too many examples to name. I don't feel like typing all the lyrics. It is definitely anti-abortion. It seems to be the thoughts of someone who feels that becoming an abortion doctor they would be fufilling there desire to be a killer. Once again the lyrical content of this song may or may not represent my political view, but regardless of my own views, this song is about abortion. Mark
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:55:25 -0500 From: impostor@wee.wee To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: <199707040255.VAA01562@cgi.why.net>
Skadz, let this one through, it's the last.
> From: LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at> > Subject: Being gay / abusing e-mail addresses > > But what really annoys me is how people forget about > what they actually do to gay people by saying things > like "That dude gave D-Man a bad image." > That phrase by itself shows how things haven't > changed at all. People (even YtseJammers, who are > supposed to be open-minded) are still > ignorant, arrogant, and too sure about themselves. > That jerk just lied. He didn't tell the truth, but why > the fuck does anyone have a bad image if he/she > is gay ?
LoneWolf gets point number one! If you asked any Ytsejammer last week how they felt about gays, you would receive a nearly unanimous vote for "I feel they're equal with heteros." The second a fake gay comes in, it's "Shame, shame, defaming D-Man like that!!" Hypocrisy on the Jam? Nah, it couldn't be. Oh wait, your honor, I present you evidence, culminating from the D-Man himself!
> Then, I bet this guy was going to, like, try to get my TDOW from > Mike or something, or get the tape I owe Pam, or just get to hug me > or something. All foiled! How's it feel, tough guy? You're just > not good enough. :)
Negative connotation toward gays, anyone?
The only reason I say I'm heterosexual is because I don't want to lose chick opportunity. Yes! I can't wait for replies to this paragraph. (ie. "You immature, fakin'-e-mail-addresses loser, you don't even HAVE chick opportunity!")
> To all the assholes who are using/abusing other > people's e-mail addresses: > Aren't you fuckin sick of it ?
Nah. Yeehaw, baby.
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> From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: The Imposter Chronicles > > Whoah, I didn't even notice it wasn't from the real Merlo! Good > thing we have people here who can verify the facts. Though I did > find it kind of odd that D-Man was wondering "who wrote that post" > when it was obviously Mike Bahr. Then he got the e-mail address > wrong as "goodnet.edu."
Man, you and Mike sure are goobs if you didn't catch the sarcasm. Who doesn't know Mike's address like the back of their hand? In case you missed the train, my fake e-mail hasn't been trying to increase D-Man's public display of intelligence.
The second point I was trying to make is, man, it sure is easy to write fake e-mail. I'm sure there's a couple hundred people who learned at least a little from D-Man's teaching session. Be careful, people.
Be careful like a hootananny.
Now on to a real topic that pertains to the jam a little more. I kept reading from that one dood who keeps saying Bruce Dickinson's 'Accident of Birth' is the best CD of the year, so I bought it today. Man, it rocks my jerries back and forth, and I've only listened through track 7 so far. Thanks for being persistent in your recommendation. :)
Adios, people. It's been fun. And it's funny, whoever thinks they can track me down, I don't even get the Jam on this account. Even if you did somehow trace it back to my ISP, I could care less, I'm about to change anyway. This one sucks a big donkey.
Jeremy Hay.. oops The Impostor That Took the Ytsejam
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:34:20 -0400 From: edwilk@juno.com (Ed Wilk III) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pro-Life and RUSH! Message-ID: <19970704.001155.11534.0.EdWilk@juno.com>
On Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> writes: >>> Another Day > > >Another Day is not pro-life, rather anti-suicide.
And the difference would be...? That's really nitpicking. And if you want to think of it THAT way.. we're not looking for pro-life, we're looking for anti-abortion.
Anyway, about Rush. I'm now a converted member of the Temple of Rush (or would that be Temple of Syrinx?). I have had Test for Echo for a while (since it came out, actually). I really like a few of the songs (Driven, Chip Away the Stone, and Resist- which has some of the best lyrics I've ever heard), and the others are good (with the exception of Dog Years.. I hate that song). But I wondered what all the comomotion about Rush was. So 2 days ago, I bought "2112" and was BLOWN away. I just sat in awe listening to 2112. WHAT a song. So, after 2 days of playing 2112 and "Tears" over and over and over and over, I decided I wanted- no, needed more. :-) So I just bough Signals today, because it has my fave Rush tune (Subdivisions) on it. I'm listening to it as I type, and I must say, it's another awesome disc. So, there's the confession of a Rush convert. I'm off to buy another Rush CD tomorrow, after I cash a birthday check I just got. :-)
Ed Ed-San, on IRC
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 23:45:21 -0500 From: WhiteWolf <prelude@autobahn.mb.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Another Day/SDV midi Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970703234521.006984e8@mail.autobahn.mb.ca>
>Another Day is not pro-life, rather anti-suicide. > If anyone recalls, Another Day was written by John Petrucci for his father who, at the time, was dying of cancer. I'd say this song would be about living and surviving to see another day.
>Does anybody have, or know where to find, a MIDI-file to Space-Dye Vest? > Yeah, I was writing one and it's almost complete.
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 01:18:41 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a bunch of seemingly non-related replies all strung together. Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970704005440.13889C-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:05:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: The Imposter Chronicles > > > Nice try, trying to get money out of me for nothing. Fat fuckin' > > chance. > > HEY!! I HAPPEN TO BE FAT!! YOU CIRCUMFERENCIALIST!!
I love it when Bafu makes up words. :)
> Person, to Petrucci: "How can I get rid of that muddy tone down on the low > barre chords?" > > Merlo, to Everyone: "Sell ya guitar."
Jesus. Is there *anything* that you don't remember? :)
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> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 14:40:41 EDT > From: zarnoff069@juno.com (Mike Potvin) > Subject: Damn Yankees > > Really? I used to listen to Damn Yankees all of the time and I thought > their second album, Don't Tread, was much better than their first...
The first album sounded, to me, like four guys messing around in the studio and coming up with some cool tunes. The second album sounded, to me, like a newly-categorized "supergroup" trying to repeat the success of the first album's ballad. Sort of the same problem I had with Mr. Big's third album. Oh, well.
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 09:15:41 +1000 > From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au > Subject: Re: Damn Yankees > > I believe that there was a third 'unofficial' Damn Yankees album that was > put out under the name of 'Blades and Shaw'
Just to be nitpicky, the artist on the album was "Blades Shaw", and it was missing *two* members of DY - Nuge and Michael Cartellone, the drummer. Good songs on that one, but it didn't have that Motor City Madman bite to it. To be honest, it was sort of a combination of everything I dislike about Night Ranger and everything I dislike about Styx.
(Just to clear that up, there's a lot I like about each of those bands, but certain things - Sister Christian comes to mind - just grated on me.)
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:29:26 -0400 (EDT) > From: Eleuthera Lewis <lewis@NU.cs.fsu.edu> > Subject: Re: Pro-Life Rock/Metal songs > > Slayer kicks ass, and thats one of my fav songs off South of Heaven. > Overkill did a song on WFO called "They eat their young", I think, its > track 4 whatever it is. It isn't pro-life, but Blitz said in an interview > that it is anti-abortion, whatever difference that is.
As far as I can tell, here's the difference. Calling the anti-abortionists "pro-life" implies that abortion rights supporters are "anti-life." The abortion rights supporters prefer to use the terms "pro-choice" and "anti-choice," which apply more succinctly to the issue, without bringing in all sorts of outside meanings.
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:44:16 -0400 (EDT) > From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso) > Subject: glam.. > > Glam did not "suck." One of glam's early contributors, David Bowie, > is proof that it indeed does have talent.. you just need to seperate > the crap from the good stuff in glam..
*clap* *clap* *clap* I just picked up the first album by Tin Machine on CD today for $2. Those of you that aren't familiar with them, it's David Bowie on vocals and guitar, Soupy Sales' kids on drums and bass (no joke), and, the real star of the show, Reeves Gabrels on lead guitar. This guy's an animal. I saw them play SNL aabout 5 or 6 years ago, and Gabrels just kicked my ass. Fast, fluid, and he doesn't even break a sweat. Check these guys out if you get a chance.
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:13:45 -0400 (EDT) > From: Laussade@aol.com > Subject: Booga! > > As for That Wacky Digital Guy being impersonated...I've got $10 that says > he's impersonating himself, just so we'll think he's cool. <grin>
Damn! Well, um... do you still think I'm cool anyway?
> I now have to leave, for I'm playing in a wonderful (shitty) production of > South Pacific, and the next to last showing is tonight. No, I'm not > acting...(why did I say it like that? nobody asked me if I was.) I'm playing
Why *did* you say it like that? You got a problem with actors? Are you actoraphobic? Afraid of thespians?
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 22:00:35 -0400 (EDT) > From: Eric John Marlett <gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu> > Subject: No weather? > > > homes with high winds... so I'd like to move somewhere with absolutely > > no weather at all. :) > > Try the poles. A basic tenet of aviation weather, a subject I have > recently become familiar with, is that all weather is the result of heat > exchange. Poles = no heat. Hence, no weather. Just bring a lot of > sunblock....... ;)
More nitpickiness. :) To say that the polar regions have no heat is inaccurate. Everything has heat, just in varying degrees. The thing is, there's no such thing as "cold." Cold is just a way of measuring a lack of heat, or a low temperature. Even something that has been cooled to absolute zero has a certain degree of heat, just not as much as something that's at, say, its melting point.
(OK, I'm a science geek. Get over it.)
And btw, the New York metro area rarely has weather worthy of mentioning (except for the eastern tip of LI). In the past ten or fifteen years, I can only think of three *major* weather things. The blizzard of January '96 (two feet of snow), Hurricane Gloria in '85 or '86, and some blizzard when I was about 8 or 9 years old. And, for some reason, you never hear of Manhattan Island ever getting any sort of wacky weather. (Or maybe everything else is so wacky that people don't even notice wacky weather.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 01:30:28 -0400 From: "Jeremy P. Kube" <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I agree whole-heartedly Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970704013028.007af3c0@nh.ultranet.com>
I have strong opinions about homosexuals. i will not say what those opinions are, but can we please lose the weekly "this list sucks for the following reasons: blah blah blah" posts?
This was written in the last jam. I agree whole-heartedly with these comments, not to make the person that wrote this "god-like" but these or words to interpret and live by. (and in my opinion this is why) regarding gay comments: 1. I am not gay but I will respect a person's sexual persuation, it doesn't belong on the jam, nor does "flamming" someone for it. Music is the heart of the jam (preferably regarding DT, but if there is a hot topic that someone has brought up, someone is going to talk about it! : ) 2. IF THE JAM SUCKS, either: get the fuck off of it, or make it better. YOU are the heart of the jam along with your opinion and reviews of DT and related music, DON'T complain about it! Quietly make it better, if you have so much time as to write a whole e mail dedicated to dissin' the jam, then don't. Spend that time researching DT or other bands that you think will be cool on the jam, and submit that! Preach on brother Woot! (don't let it go to your head!) I'm off my soapbox! J
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:49:02 -0500 (CDT) From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: There Goes Another.....(NDTC) Message-ID: <1997740492641@ix.netcom.com>
Dear Y-jammers:
What's the deal with this?......
>*trying* to give D-man a bad image. Not succeeding. I myself am 'gayer >than a hootie' and am not saying that the person succeeded. D-man has
I only scan this posting and this is the second time a person has posted about being a homosexual in less than a week. As you older Jammers know I don't put forth an effort to be politically correct. I'd rather just shoot straight (no pun intended) than to waste time and try for acceptance. If you guys/girls - men/women yield to this type of presentation maybe you'll consider another point of view (I can always hope). :)
It would be nice for all of the homos/lesbians and other persons who like to perform unnatural acts with their body and other peoples bodies to get back in the closet and lock the door. If you were to honestly, with mild determination consider all the facts about homosexuality most of you would conclude that this is a perversion (one of many) of humanity. Now I know some may .. take objection to this commentary, I can appreciate that, but before you flame look at this candidly before reacting. Women and men are made for each other and in more ways than just anatomically.
>bashing." Right after this, he makes sure that everyone knows that he is >not gay, as if to say that being gay is "bad."
What's so passé about boys acting like boys and girls acting like girls? No - it ain't "ok" to be gay and "gay pride" is an oxymoron. Being a gay isn't "bad", it's abnormal - please don't start with the "with is normal and who's...." Gay-bashing if I understand the term, is juvenile and small-minded. Violence of this nature cannot "fix" or change anything for the better. I can accept the (gay)person as a person, I just can't accept the lifestyle.
Have a Great 4th-o-July,
Michael C.
p.s. I just got "Paranoid" and it takes me back some. "Faries wear boots" IMO is the best track on the CD though I first thought "Ironman" was "it". This was when metal was in it's true form.
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 97 14:59:35 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re[2]: Robert Johnson Message-ID: <9706038679.AA867985967@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>>>2. Robert Johnson: The Complete Recordings, Vol. 1 >>>3. Robert Johnson: The Complete Recordings, Vol. 2 >>definitely worth a try for anyone who has heard him before >Agreed. I have a link on one of my web pages to Robert Johnson. His >own personal story is quite interesting. I'm still surprised that this >guy accomplished what he did by ear and at such a young age. Yeah, but that's easy to do when you sell your sole to the devil in order to play a mean guit box! 8^)
>He had quite an influence on a couple of the great guitarists today >(Richards & Clapton). Yeah, I think they have contracts with the horned one too... I mean, how else do you think Keith Richards is able to get up and walk around? The guy's been dead for decades.... <G> ~Mike
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 97 14:43:07 PST8 From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Superior on the jam Message-ID: <9706038679.AA867985658@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>I'm sorry that I didn't show up here for a few months but I just >didn't have the time to read all the jams. Just wanted to tell you >that I'm still alive... :) Hey Bernd, good to hear from ya! The CD still makes regular appearances in my stereo, as many here on the Jam would say, "It Noks Radz(tm)"... >Thanks to all people who wrote so positive things about our >band recently. You rock! :) Nah, Superior rocks, we just write about it! 8^) >Just to let you all know... we're currently writing some >new songs (just recorded a few on 8-track) I knew those things would make a come back! Cool! Time to dig out the 8-track player, turn on the lava lamp and crank some new Superior... So are you guys doing the 70's retrodiscoboogiefunkthang now? ;^)
>for the next album. We're going to be in studio again >from the 8th December on and the next album will be out >in Feb./March next year. Wow, that's cool... can't wait for the next one! Keep up the good work, Bernd! ~Mike ~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ) Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream *** Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit ***
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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 02:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2688 Message-ID: <970704021309_423630786@emout07.mail.aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 3 Jul 97 01:39:11 -0400 >From: cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu (Christopher R. Merlo) >Subject: King's X overview and other subtleties >Message-ID: <9707030539.AA26430@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> > >Mike Bahr, please e-mail me. I lost your e-mail address, and I'm >forced to take desperate economic measures and cancel all my CD >orders. > >Whoever you are who posted the King's X overview (I think it was >someone with the address of durnik@goodnet.edu or something), that >was a really good breakdown of all of King's X's stuff. I plan on >grabbing a few of their discs the next time I get some moolah. Too >much of my money these days is being spent on male hookahs. > >Oh, and also.. Pam Wheaton, never mind, you don't need to e-mail me. >I have it all taken care of. > >Sorry again for the clutter, folks. >-d > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster > cmerlo@cs.uvm.edumb "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn > d-man@dreamt.orgasm /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed > http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List > http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
man.............this guy's really an asshole. this guy's just a sucker. someone tell me the pain he feels when his balls get put in a vicegrip? thanks.
ytsegoon
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