YTSEJAM Digest 2711
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Ron Thal
by Graeme Nicholson <lbgn@easynet.co.uk>
2) scott
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
3) Johnny-come-lately
by caber1@concentric.net
4) A Separate Peace
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
5) Mood Songs
by eckie@asu.edu
6) Rush, TLF
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
7) Dream Theater isn't Christian?
by eckie@asu.edu
8) Re: DIE!!!
by eckie@asu.edu
9) Re: Mood Songs
by DragynLMC3@aol.com
10)
by impostor@wee.wee
11) ARGH!!!
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
12) NGC (no gay content, well only a little)
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
13) Imposter and butt of the year.
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:40:29 +0100
From: Graeme Nicholson <lbgn@easynet.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Ron Thal
Message-ID: <l03102800afe71ece1909@[194.154.96.155]>
>Can anyone out there (oh no, I said "out") who is more familiar with Ron Thal
>let me know if his other album(s) are similar? Or does he tread the more
>familiar territory of instrumental fusion (a la Greg Howe, Tony MacAlpine,
>etc)?
Starting with Hermit is kind of the wrong way round! Ron has one other
album, "The Adventures of Bumblefoot", and an eight track demo. Bumblefoot
was before Hermit, and it's entirely instrumental besides a secret comedy
track on the end. There is NOTHING familiar about his style on Bumblefoot
to those other guitarists - that's why he stood out to me.
There's a lot of phenomenal playing on there, and his tracks are wildly
inventive. Hermit caught me quite off guard with its sound after this, but
I still think it's a brilliant album. The whole of Bumblefoot has a kind
of weird humour about it, and there are things he does on there that you
honestly won't even be able to contemplate what he's doing to the guitar.
Beware though: as it was earlier in his career, and cheaper, Bumblefoot has
a very raw sound. The guitars often have little or no reverb, and Ron has
intentionally used a really obvious drum machine sound, but this is also a
quirky thing that I like about the album.
Also, Ron's a very nice guy with plenty of time for his praising fans like
me, he used to write to me a lot.
>thanks,
>-Neil.
>
>"When the rest have packed it up, I'm alive... electric... inspired...
> Naturally Wired!"
> -Van Halen, A.F.U.-
+-----------------------
Graeme Nicholson | work t: 01202 299900 x260
PLAY+ Magazine | work e: silencio@paragon.co.uk
--------------------+ home e: lbgn@easynet.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:49:23 -0600
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: scott
Message-ID: <199707072251.QAA21809@mailmx.micron.net>
Mama look! I'm a loser!!!! said:
>I didn't threaten you; what I said was I will pray to god that you die of
>AIDS
>because since you probably think it's a gay disease it would be what you
>deserve. Kind of like the guy that the movie Citizen Cohn is about. The
>guy publicly crucified people in the press if he found out they were gay.
>Then it turns out he was the biggest homosexual this side of J. Edgar
>Hoover (former FBI director) and he died of AIDS.
Once again I'm really sorry about this everyone, but I already wrote to
this guy telling him my views and he obviously completely ignored them.
No I do not think AIDS is the gay disease and you are obviously finding
difficulty finding something to say about this because I never mentioned
AIDS once in any of my posts.
>I'm surprised you have enough brain power to operate a computer you
>jackass. You can't tell the difference between a threat and a wish. Come
>back when you get a clue Spunky.
I won't even lower myselft enough to respond to that. I explicitly asked
him to keep this off the jam and this is what we get. grow up.
woot
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 18:06:33 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Johnny-come-lately
Message-ID: <33C19299.4390@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
Here it is! I've been promising this for quite some time and I just
wanted to email it to the list. I'm going to add all the URL for all the
places without one. That's it for now.
Good places:
Alta Mira
amcyber@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/amcyber1/AM.html
CDConnection
CDNow
http://cdnow.com (no www in the front?)
CD Universe
http://www.cduniverse.com
E-music
http://www.emusic.com
GEMM - works as a search engine for CD dealers
http://www.gemm.com
German Music Express - only $3 for s/h no order the size
http://www.musicexpress.com
Ken Golden
lasercd@aol.com
Impulse Music (are they still around?)
http://www.impulsemusic.com
Knights of the Round
http://www.knightsoftheround.com
Magna Carta Records
M&M Progressive Rock - weekly sales!
Music by Email - free shipping and handling
Terrible Teds
terteds@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/terteds/terrible_teds.html
Bad aka Mixed:
Apocalypse Music - rips people off! Fact!
http://clever.net (no www in front?)
CD Europe - rude, expensive, and they won't tell you the final cost of
your item
http://www.cdeurope.com
CD Shop Gold/ Sound+Action - will NOT reply to any email queries, also
since they're in Japan, Americans need to wire the money(that's
expensive! )
http://gold-tokyo.com (no www in front?)
CD Teleshop - see CD Europe :)
http://www.cdteleshop.com
Tunnel Records - have a huge bootleg list, but, its not in stock so
it'll take a long time
http://www.csmonline.com:80/tunnel/index.html
Now these are the opinions of 'jammers and not me. I didn't make one
comment on any of these places. So, don't yell at me if you were ripped
off by one of "good" places. All I can do is put that place in the Bad
or Mixed section.
"To avoid hitting the
bumper of the car in
front, I struck the
pedestrian."
Accident Reports from Insurance Forms
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:58:28 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A Separate Peace
Message-ID: <199707072258.PAA14032@main.cfmc.com>
>From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
>
>>What has happened is that all of the great guitarists
>> that emerged between '84 and '91 or so (at least on
>> Shrapnel) have really been unfairly lumped together.
>
>True. It seemed like everyone came out of the woodwork after Yngwie hit the
>US. Guitar magazine called him the second most-"cloned" guitarist of the 80's
>(after Van Halen). Outside of maybe Tony MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, Paul
>Gilbert and a few others, everyone else seemed like carbon copies of Yngwie.
>I saw him perform about two years ago and he has definitely changed - he's
>fat, has a bit less hair, doesn't fly across the stage as much as he used to
>and just didn't seem to have the ability to "knock you on your ass" anymore.
>Still, I'm glad that he still puts out the neo-classical stuff because
>everyone else seems to have moved on to other avenues (Kotzen w/Poison,
>Friedman w/Megadeth, Gilbert w/Mr Big, etc...)
I actually think I was making a separate point, which is that Shrapnel
really cut all of those guys off at the knees by using a half dozen guys
(Castronovo, Hamm, Sheehan, Anur, Smith) to play on the albums while
producing all of them in approximately the same way. Greg Howe was such a
breath of fresh air on Shrapnel specifically because he was doing something
that sounded a little differently. And it wasn't until the second record,
where they used his band, that his personality was really allowed to shine
through. Part of the reason everyone sounded so similar is because they
really were pushed through a sonic cookie cutter. If you listen to Kotzen,
Friedman, MacAlpine, and Vinnie Moore, they're all miles from each other.
And Racer X doesn't write music much like any of THOSE folks. But you'd get
the same damn sounds and say "Okay, let's hear your fastest harmonic minor"
and some of the listening pleasure gets cut out. One of the reasons I LIKE
listening to Gilbert with Mr. Big is that he gets to play more sides of his
character. Especially on the debut album and "Hey Man," both of which are
really cool.
>I agree - he should lay off the Jimi Hendrix tunes. I think he gets pressured
>into playing "bluesy" when his critics say he plays with no emotion. This
>point annoys me to no end. I don't think you have to play slow bends to show
>emotion. When I hear Yngwie play one of his patented scalar runs, my knees
>buckle...thats EMOTION!!! He should just stick with what comes naturally to
>him.
Well, he's ALWAYS given Hendrix credit. I remember that interview in Guitar
with him and Sheehan....which musta been at least ten years ago...where be
basically said his two big influences were Bach and Hendrix. He may have
been blowing smoke up our colective asses, but he was talking about Hendrix
with great regard even then.
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Counterparts
2. Van Halen: Fair Warning
3. Black Uhuru: One Love
4. Melissa Etheridge: Yes I Am
5. Metallica: Master of Puppets
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:13:53 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Mood Songs
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970707160555.16156A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
No, this isn't a Pure Moods ad...
I'm wonderin' what songs are out there that ppl listen to when they feel
they're in the shitter, tha dumps, really low 'n shit. Something to
bring you up or just keep your mind preoccupied to prevent the really bad
thoughts to start churning.
I had Space Dye Vest playin' in continuous repeat last night...pure
poetry, but I still don't get half of the voice overs in that songs. The
last two songs off of Eric Johnson's Ah Via Musicom are really soothing
at times too. Pantera's version of Planet Caravan is so ethereal, I'll
keep that rotating...it's a damn fine tune. Fade to Black always seems
to pick me up and get me moshin' back to life as well. Are there any
other songs out there that have this sorta effect on you? I'm interested
in this much more than your opinions on the "oppressive" Christian entity
and homophobia.
~Eckie
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:20:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Rush, TLF
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970707190537.2504A-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Andrew Forcier"<andrew.forcier@prudential.com>
> Subject: Music, music, and more music! Some of it even DT!
>
> This brings up an interesting point: Did Rush fans in 1981 and 1982
> start to dislike Rush because they stopped playing long intricate songs and
> the vocals didn't hit those highs? Nope. Some strayed, but they gained many
> more fans overall. Funny how when QR does the same thing, their fans yearn
> for the olden days of screeching and eight minute Suites (Sister Mary).
> Sure Rush was still progressive on Signals, but I would maintain QR is just
> as prog on HitNF. But that's a big fat IMHO for ya...
Actually, I would say that it's because Rush was still writing good music.
::duck::
> sucks. And the studio version of To Live Forever doesn't hold a candle to
> some of the live versions, but the extra lyrics are cool. Ooops, another
> IMHO slipped in there!
Say what you want about studio TLF, but IMHO, those harmonies alone are
worth the price of admission.
----> From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) > Subject: Rush > > >I recently got A Farewell To Kings from Rush...took me a few listens but im > >starting to get into it now... any other suggestions for my next cd purchase? > > IMHO, should be Hemispheres, 2112 and A Farewell to kings. All albums in > their 70's are worth listening.
Seems like everyone's got a different opinion on this one. :) Good luck to you (whoever you were) that bought AFTK trying to figure out where to go from here. I will say this: If you own AFTK, you *must* own Hemispheres, to see how "Cygnus X-1" ends. Other than that, just remember that there are three distinct periods of Rush music, and they're rather different from each other.
The first, from 1974 to 1978 (Rush to Hemispheres) is considered the "Science Fiction" era, also the most progressive. You'll find most of Rush's epic songs here, including "2112," "Fountain of Lamneth," and "Cygnus X-1."
The second era, from 1980 to 1989 (Permanent Waves to Presto, give or take) is their Pop/Electronic era, where you're going to find the radio singles, tunza keyboards, and the album that Alex almost quit because of (Power Windows). There are, however, those killer prog tunes that snuck through ("Natural Science," "The Camera Eye," etc.)
The third era, from 1991 to present (Roll The Bones-ish to Test For Echo) is Rush as a Rock Band. Guitar, bass, drums, and only a hint of keys make these the heaviest, most guitar-oriented albums they've done since Hemispheres. Must-owns if you like rock and roll.
I posted this to help you out in choosing albums, but also because I'm interested to see if other jammers agree or disagree with this. Oh, well, gotta go watch the day-before-the-all-star-game stuff. :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:20:57 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dream Theater isn't Christian? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970707161558.16156B-100000@general3.asu.edu>
I thought they knew what that flaming heart with the thorns around it was!
It sure ain't the sign of Satan.
Oh, and I forgot to add to that list in my previous post: Pantera's Suicide Note pt. 1...I don't really listen to it when I'm in the blacks 'cuz it's just TOO damn depressing...I wanna cut my wrists after listenin' to it. :P But for moody purposes, it gets the message across damn well.
~Eckie Again
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:22:42 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DIE!!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970707162153.17597A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Uh....your caps lock is on bud. Ya also sound like you need a hug.
~Eckie
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, George Farber wrote:
> YOU SPOONFED US SATURDAY MORNING MOUTHFULS OF MAGGOTS AND LIES DISGUISED > IN YOUR SUGARY BREAKFAST CEREALS. THESE PLATES YOU MADE US CLEAN WERE > FILLED WITH YOUR FEARS. THESE THINGS HAVE HARDENED IN OUR SOFT PINK > BELLIES. WE ARE WHAT YOU HAVE MADE US. WE HAVE GROWN UP WATCHING YOUR > TELEVISION. WE ARE A SYMPTOM OF YOUR CHRISTIAN AMERICA, THE BIGGEST SATAN > OF ALL. THIS IS YOUR WORLD IN WHICH WE GROW. AND WE WILL GROW TO HATE > YOU. >
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: DragynLMC3@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Mood Songs Message-ID: <970707193946_340828599@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Our dear friend Eckie said:
<real big snip> >...Are there any other songs out there that have this sorta effect on you?...
I myself have a couple, so I guess I will share... When im feeling down I listen to: Caught In A Web ~ (need I say who by?) Lie Pull My Udder (sorry, the devi- ohhh, nevermind) Take The Time Symmetry ~ Savatage Cygnus X-1 ~ Rush (very recent addition) Xero Tolerance ~ Type O Negative Too Late; Frozen ~ Type O Negative Black No. 1 ~ Type O Negative (There are more TON songs but I'll spare you) Basically anything I can blast until my windows rattle and my almost deaf father is yelling for me to turn it down... If Im in a quiet mood, which is very very rare, I listen to some very old records my aged sibs handed down to me.... ;} ____
Thanks to everyone who sent me suggestions! You see, now was it really that hard to not talk about you-dont-want-to-know what? Im open for more suggestions! Oh, and Lisa Marie, we have the same middle name too!! Hence the LMC on the end of my screen name... facinating huh? OK, ill stop boring yall now....
~lil' "not so old" Lisa
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:44:28 -0500 From: impostor@wee.wee To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: <199707072244.RAA27233@cgi.why.net>
no way be construed as butt-kissing. Also, none of the awards are given sarcastically, as would be an award for "Best Ass" going to D-Man.
YTSEJAM'S FIRST TOP YTSEJAMMER LIST ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Best entertainment------------------------------------------------- - Bafu Vai - This guy needs to write for Conan O'Brien or something. I can't get over how well he translates every issue on the Jam into something humorous.
Most intelligent poster-------------------------------------------- - Michael Coghlan - Like it or not, you supposed "99% of the Jam" who are against him, he's a smart guy. He's posted TWICE. He knows how to sit back and think things through. And yes, age does have a lot to do with it. All of you come back in 10-20 years, marry and have kids, and tell me you haven't learned something about yourselves. I'm talking to you, too, D-Man.
Least class--------------------------------------------------------- - Scott Cook - As one Jammer put it, he writes "childish swearing and death threats." Makes me ashamed to be a Jammer sometime.
Most class---------------------------------------------------------- - Mike Bahr - This guy would be a great Christian. Persecution slides off his back like water off Bafu.
Best French Horn Player-------------------------------------------- - Ben Laussade - Not only is he a great french horn player, but he's also not an actor.
Doesn't Realize a Good Thing When It Hits Him----------------------- - Chris Merlo - Tell me this whole hootananny hasn't helped you. You should be a happy gay man now, not the sad one you were before. :)
Best Brady Bunch to DT theme song tranlation------------------------ - Eckie - That's the way, we became, the homo list.
This next award is prefaced by a post by .profile, if that's his name.
> From: gra@provida.no > Subject: Imposter vs. Ytsejammers: 1 - 0 > > Hi jammers, have you noticed the fact that the fucknut of an imposter got > what he came for ?
Thank you, somebody finally noticed. :) That leads me to:
Dumbest bunch of cattle--------------------------------------------- - Most of the Ytsejam - It's too easy sometimes. I even surpassed my own expectations. I'd say, 50% of the last 37 Jams have been about me or homosexuality. I have to admit, D-Man, you're not one of cows. The prophet Chris Merlo said it best here:
> Thanks again, those of you that mailed me. You know what pisses me > off most? This is going to be a thread. -d
And what a huge, spawning thread it was.
Thank you for your time. I wish I could think of more awards to give. Those of you who didn't make the list this time, there's hope for next time. :)
This has been a presentation of: The Impostor That Took the Ytsejam (TITTY for those of you (all of you) who didn't catch it the first time. Weeee!)
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:51:44 -0400 From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com, voices@arastar.com Subject: ARGH!!! Message-ID: <199707072351.TAA14495@wicked.stigmata.org>
OK ....
This is where things stand right now. I have decided to keep the list up, but only because I know all too many people would hate me if I took it down. I considered taking it down until a new album, but it would just be too much of a pain in the ass right now. So, instead the rules are gonna change. This change is being brought on by all the bullshit which has been on this list lately. So here is the new rule:
If you start/particpiate in/continue/think about a post about any of the following topics (which will be updated from time to time) you will be automatically kicked off the list and banned permanently. A warning system is just stupid and takes too much of my time:
1) Sexual Orientation 2) Religion 3) Blind Melon 4) NIN 5) Metallica selling out 6) Top 10 Lists 7) Jokes 8) Any other long completely off-topic discussion
No, I will not take requests. I spent my WHOLE day yesterday going though 14,000 emails of bounces and various other shit and had a whole bunch of emails from people today complaining about the useless shit on the jam. I don't have the time to deal with idiots on this mailing list and either do many other people on this list. People want to hear about Dream Theater and other _RELATED_ topics. Related topics are things like other prog bands, upcoming shows, discussions about music in general, etc. That is why I joined this list many moons ago and that is why I run it today, so that YOU people can have information, not so people can be assholes and talking about stupid shit. I am definately NOT putting down the people who emailed me today, I'm glad you did because it shows the state of this list, so don't fret :)
So, that is how things are going to be now. If you don't like it:
mail ytsejam-request@ax.com Subject: asdf
unsubscribe ytsejam
If you have questions, comments, etc, mail me.
Skadz Ytsejam Moderator skadz@dreamt.org
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:59:19 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NGC (no gay content, well only a little) Message-ID: <199707080001.SAA26113@mailmx.micron.net>
I must once again publicly apologize for being at all involved in this gay discussion. this is my first official flame war in the 1700+ jams I've received. I truly hope that ppl will let it die. I have been writing personal emails like crazy the last couple days in order to try to kill this topic.
And now, the thing i've been waiting for:
ANGRA!!!! woohoo!!! that's right Richard James, I did receive it finally, and it roks my gonadz (stopnadz?) all over the place. I already had the tape dub, but it sounds so much clearer now. The vox dude does have a really cool voice, especially considering he doesn't speak english all that well. remember high school german class trying to sing the beer drinking songs on key when you couldn't pronounce the words? that sucks! anyway, let's all just put this little incident behind us as we have numerous other times. In case i do get flamed, just imagine a very witty response that clears every thing up. you won't see it, because i will not be dragged into continuing this publicly.
woot (rhymes with foot, soot, put, and one of the pronunciations of root)
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:05:46 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Imposter and butt of the year. Message-ID: <199707080007.RAA13625@odin.ax.com>
>no way be construed as butt-kissing. Also, none of the awards are >given sarcastically, as would be an award for "Best Ass" going to >D-Man.
I've never seen DMan's ass butt I think the award would irrovocably go to KJ Labrie and no one on this jam can deny it! *peering provocatively at D-Man* <j/k>
Too bad i never got a chance to read any of the stuff sent by that imposter previously. In all actuality, he seems like the kind of guy that would be great to have in an active debate on the jam over something most people wouldn't find as offensive. Kinduv
Enough of this hootenanny! Lets start up some top ten lists to get this through our systems! KorgX3 KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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