YTSEJAM Digest 2717
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2716
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
2) Re: Mood Songs
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
3) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2716
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
4) Bowie, Sheep, Great Woods, Publius: Film at 11.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
5) Re: South American tour? (incredibly, pure DTC)
by marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br (Mário)
6) Yes, Rush again...
by Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
7) Re: Bowie, Sheep, Great Woods, Publius: Film at 11.
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
8) a open letter to mr. impostor
by Thrak75@aol.com
9) CD for trade! (Magellan)
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
10) Enchant
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
11) Re: observations and green panties in the wind
by Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) A Lop, Skip, and a Mush
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
13) Rush vs. Queensryche
by Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
14) south american dream
by Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br>
15) Music? On a DT list??
by nightcast@usa.net
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:09:53 -0400
From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2716
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-970708160953Z-5634@mail_server.comequity.com>
>> If I want to STAY depressed, the only thing that'll do it for me is
>
>I just don't get this. If I'm depressed, the last thing I want to do is
>*stay* depressed.
You've never been in a situation where you want to stay depressed? Where
you don't want to get in a good mood, but would rather wallow in your
own foul mood? Must be me, then. Every so often, I want to just stay
pissed off at everyone and everything. It's probably not good for the
psyche, but it's GREAT for songwriting. :)
-Nicholas
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:21:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mood Songs
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970708111200.13561A-100000@snowy.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 eckie@asu.edu wrote:
> I'm wonderin' what songs are out there that ppl listen to when they feel
> they're in the shitter, tha dumps, really low 'n shit. Something to
> bring you up or just keep your mind preoccupied to prevent the really bad
> thoughts to start churning.
Here's my list. Most of these fall in the "keep me depressed" category....
DT: Light Fuse and Get Away, Voices, The Mirror/Lie, Space Dye Vest
Metallica: For Whom the Bell Tolls, Fade to Black, Call of Ktulu, Master
of Puppets, Sanitarium, Sad But True, The God that Failed
Queen: a lot of "Innuendo" (esp. The Show Must Go On)
Queensryche: most of "Operation: Mindcrime" (esp. the last few songs),
Anybody Listening?, Real World, I Am I/Damaged, Promised Land, One More Time
Rush: Madrigal, Circumstances, Losing It, most of "Grace Under Pressure"
(esp. Between the Wheels), Neurotica, most of "Counterparts" (esp. Double
Agent)
I could probably come up with some more if I thought about it, but this
will do for starters....
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:25:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2716
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970708112311.13561B-100000@snowy.owlnet.rice.edu>
> >> If I want to STAY depressed, the only thing that'll do it for me is
> >
> >I just don't get this. If I'm depressed, the last thing I want to do is
> >*stay* depressed.
>
> You've never been in a situation where you want to stay depressed? Where
> you don't want to get in a good mood, but would rather wallow in your
> own foul mood? Must be me, then. Every so often, I want to just stay
> pissed off at everyone and everything. It's probably not good for the
> psyche, but it's GREAT for songwriting. :)
I'll second that. Usually, when all attempts at cheering myself up have
failed, I just say "to hell with it" and find some music that matches my
mood. Besides, it's usually better than thinking about whatever it was that
made me depressed in the first place....
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bowie, Sheep, Great Woods, Publius: Film at 11.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970708121623.2504Q-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Boston jammers-Urgent!(Regarding QR show 8/2)
>
> When I ordered the tickets, I did not realize that Boston public
> transportation does not cover this area! :-(
>
> Is there someone who will be going to the show that can give me a lift?
> If so, please email me!
Just don't try to get there driving behind Jon P. :)
----> From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> > Subject: New songs and a YtseCon > > > I got news on Ytsecon-IV. [snip] The target city, if we want to make this > > work as well as possible, should be Las Vegas, sometime late this year. > > I'll go as long as D-Man promises to shave his butt.
I was only going to go if *you* were going to shave my butt.
> I'm in a great mood, because I'm seeing Neil's girlfriend tonite ;-)
Neil's girlfriend owns sheep? :)
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> From: Thrak75@aol.com > Subject: observations and green panties in the wind > > ladies and gentleman, the enigma publius has joined us here on the little ol' > ytsejam. this means that when dt plays here on their next tour, we should > look out for the lights to spell his name, and of course, it's time to get > our tori glasses on and begin over-analyzing the meanings of the lyrics, too. > just watch, i tell ya.
OK, everyone get your 4-tracks out and start playing your DT albums backwards. Can you imagine finding something like what's on The Wall?
"Congratulations. You have found the secret message. Send your answer to Old Pink, care of Charlie Dominici." "Mike, Mike Bahr's on the phone again." "Goodbye."
Now that I think about it, didn't the stage lights at Toad's Place spell out "wee.wee"?
> anyone catch bowie on conan? i wanna know how it was.
I caught him on Saturday Night Dead, and he and Reeves kicked my ass all over rural Vermont.
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> From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> > Subject: Re: Mood Songs > > and I figured it was annoying to them. Wow...the memories. Only about 10 > years until my daughters are slamming their door, screaming 'I hate you', > and blaring the stereo. I wonder what song it'll be in 2007?
With any luck, it'll be DT. :)
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:37:55 -0300 From: marioo@plugnet.plugnet.com.br (Mário) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: South American tour? (incredibly, pure DTC) Message-ID: <199707081637.NAA29180@plugnet.com.br>
>In the last week I've been hearing constant rumors about DT doing a tour >in South Americ, that would even bring them to Chile! (finally) > >Do you guys know anything about it?
They will probably play in Monsters Of Rock in Sao Paulo...If they come to Sao Paulo,probably they'll go to other cities and countries in South America...
Mario
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 12:43:10 -0400 From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yes, Rush again... Message-ID: <199707081642.AA28034@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, From Korg: >I remember making the huge mistake of trying to get into Rush
You know, I had completely forgotten how I got into Rush. I worked at a summer camp (kinda like the one in Dirty Dancing, only in Vermont), and one of the guys there had PeW and PoW, so I taped them, never having heard Rush before. Not even ONE song. I thought they were okay, nothing great. So he tells me: Buy Moving Pictures. I do, and still, I'm all "ho-hum". So I get back to school that fall, and tape Chronicles from a friend (yes, I got into Rush THAT late in life). I here some cool stuff on the second tape, more my speed. So I go and get Hold Your Fire. I didn't buy another Rush disc for nearly a year because I was afraid it wouldn't be as good as this one! Then I go back and listen to all the tapes I had made, and slowly the collection grew. Now, I barely even listen to HYF. ESL, PeW, and AFTK get constant rotation, but it just took finding an album that most coincided with my taste in music at the time. And by the way, only get the live albums AFTER you have all the material on them already. The live versions are often WAY better than the originals. D-man on depression: >But I guess that's just me.
Yes, it is. :) Manic depression has captured my soul... -- ______________________________________________________________ "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter..." -Yoda, the Jedi Master ______________________________________________________________ Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers Maintainer of the List of Ytse-Traders of Repute; To submit names or request a copy, mailto:andrew.forcier@prudential.com To view the list: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ytselist.txt -------------------------------------------------------------- --List Manager-- The Peppermint Tribe, the Saigon Kick Mailing List For info, check out: http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rfm5570/ for e-mail inquiries, mailto:andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com **************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 12:47:58 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bowie, Sheep, Great Woods, Publius: Film at 11. Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970708124758.00e54de0@pophost.fore.com>
> >> From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> >> Subject: Re: Mood Songs >> >> and I figured it was annoying to them. Wow...the memories. Only about 10 >> years until my daughters are slamming their door, screaming 'I hate you', >> and blaring the stereo. I wonder what song it'll be in 2007? > >With any luck, it'll be DT. :) >
No. You see the object would be to play something that annoys me. Blaring DT to spite me would hardly work.
KAI
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:56:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a open letter to mr. impostor Message-ID: <970708125622_914592902@emout19.mail.aol.com>
so i was sitting around reading this little awards thing he put up. impressive- like i stated previously, it was a bizarre letter there......
being that i really could care less what most people's views on ANYTHING are, usually, i won't be alluding to that "grand topic." i just want to ask mr. impostor a question. he states that most of the ytsejam's readers takes the award for dumbness (however you put it) because half of the last whatever posts are about you or the "grand topic." you even mentioned you surprised yourself and found it too easy. now.....did you really NOT expect the reaction you got? oh let's see...."hmm....i'm going to slander one of the most well-known ytsejammers for no good reason at all." hmm, nosiree bob....i'm not going to see a couple of hundred posts about people calling me an asshole or how i should die or how homos are good or bad or whatever. mr. impostor, you're giving yourself way too much credit than what you deserve. so you've managed to ruffle a lot of feathers......what now? the f......b........i?
since i respect mr. skadz and don't want to incense him further (i also don't want to be put in the penalty box), i invite you, mr. impostor, to respond and amaze me with your insights via personal email. naturally, i don't expect you to at all (and it won't ever be mentioned by me here after this) because we know people who like to sneak around usually lack balls, but hey- what the hell. your excuse will probably be "a goofball like you doesn't merit my time". i mean, i don't see the point in hiding, either, but these are just my thoughts....
ytsegoon
************************************************************************** david y. kobayashi thrak75@aol.com
"i'm afraid of americans, i'm afraid of the world. i'm afraid i can't help it. i'm afraid i can't." d. bowie **************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 18:53:52 From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD for trade! (Magellan) Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19970708185352.222fa02c@bamse.swip.net>
I just ordered myself a copy of Magellan's "Impending Ascension" and received two (for the price of one :))). SO I'm looking for something progressive to trade it for, I was thinking Gentle Giant or something...
If anyone's interested email me...
- Mika Numminen - aarre.n@swipnet.se - http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne -
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:09 -0700 (MST) From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Enchant Message-ID: <19970708171115.AAA13338@localHost>
Somebody asked why no one had talked about Enchant "Wounded" yet. Well you must not have read the Jams the week after the release because there were indeed a few posts about mine included. But here goes a quick rerun. Buy it! This is obviously my opinion but I was very impressed with it. The growth from their last CD is very evident. Better writing and more diverse. Personally they are quickly becoming a close second to our beloved D.T.
Later Jammers,
eD
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: observations and green panties in the wind Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970708131621.10384A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 Thrak75@aol.com wrote:
> >NOW PLAYING: > >^^^ ^^^^^^^ > > >Bela Fleck and the Flecktones: live art > > >William Ackerman: imaginary roads > > >King's X: Gretchen goes to Nebraska > > i wonder what they all sound like played simultaneously, brandon.
It sounds like crap.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:50:04 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Lop, Skip, and a Mush Message-ID: <199707081750.KAA16416@main.cfmc.com>
Our hemi-semi-demi-homosexual and I agreeing to disagree...
(Off with his head!)
>From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu> > >> ...but >> you've gotta treat the first album as a special case. It's blues-rock, >> basically, without the sci-fi, albeit with some awfully good playing. Alex > >Agreed. I *almost* think of that album as being from a different band >(because it essentially is).
Well, there IS one band member change (albeit one of the biggest switches in the history of the drum chair), but the big difference is the reconceptualization of the band. A little like the switch Pantera made on "Cowboys From Hell."
>> "Permanent Waves" to "PRESTO?" No way...."Signals" was a pretty radical >> break for the band, and, by the time you get to "Presto," you're talking >> about a radically different sound... > >Well, I was going to choose Hold Your Fire instead of Presto to go with >that live album thing (which IMO fails with 2112 and AFTK, anyway). But I >thought Presto was techno enough to classify as Pop/Electronic.
The big shift between "2112" and "A Farewell To Kings," I think, is mostly sonic. Obviously both records are still stuffed with conceptual pieces (no one ever seems to point out that Geddy, in penning "Different Strings," picked up where "Madrigal" left off, aside from the "A Farewell to Kings"/"Closer to the Heart" parallel and the obvious example of the two books of "Cygnus X-1"), and "Hemispheres" seems more closely related to "A Farewell to Kings" than "2112" does. I can see your argument and think it makes as much sense as any, but that whole live album thing has carried so much weight over the years (I've even heard Geddy refer to the live albums in that sense in a few interviews) that you really need a compelling argument to bust through that tendency. I think you almost do it, but I can see the rationale pointing the other way. That's the smaller area of disagreement though....
>> period. There IS a difference between "Hemispheres" and "Permanent Waves." >> There's a bigger one between "Moving Pictures" and "Signals." > >I've had a lot of people say this to me, and I disagree wholeheartedly. I >don't see how "La Villa" is more like "The Spirit of Radio" than >"Limelight" is like "Subdivisions" (and I could make countless similar >analogies).
As can I, I think, in the opposite direction. Again, though, I think I'm responding a lot more to sonics and the internals of the composition than arrangement, which you seem to be focusing on. I mean, "Limelight" and "Subdivisions" are similarly arranged songs. But the move from synths being "events" to synths being a featured element of the music (again, I'm borrowing from some number of interviews I've read over the years) is a significant one, and one that you can hear in the manner the band composes.
Running at this from another angle, you mentioned earlier Lifeson's dissatisfaction with "Power Windows." The origins of that, as far as I know, have a great deal to do with the way the band wrote during that period. Geddy ended up writing bigger chunks of the music, since Alex was writing rough versions of his final parts during that period of the band's existence. What ended up happening in that Geddy would dump his bass and several keyboards running in and out of the song, and Alex would have to work his rough part into a finalized part around the keyboard parts that had already been written. That shifted a little with "Hold Your Fire," which is still a very texural album, from a guitar perspective, and moved dramatically in that direction with "Presto." It IS still an album with a fair amount of keys, so I don't have a problem with it being "pop/electronic," as you say, but I think it's MORE significant for being stripped down and layered differently with Rupert Hine producing.
I think that shift in orientation is a bigger one that the decision to move away from sci-fi and write "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" as "Natural Science," instead. With "Hemispheres," we're only talking about four songs, after all. I think "The Trees" is closer to "Different Strings" than "Red Barchetta" is to "Losing It." The odd-time riff at the head of "La Villa Strangiato," I think, has more to do with the odd-time riff in "Freewill" than even the keyboard-heavy "YYZ" does to "The Weapon."
>I also ended that first category at Hemispheres because, with the possible >exceptions again of "The Camera Eye" and "Natural Science," I think the >influence that Rush has had on Mike, John, and John is from those albums, >and the influence they had on KevMo (if any) is from the later ones. Not >that there isn't some intermingling there, but Kev seems more susceptible >to that "Losing It" sort of feel.
I think that I would include those two albums in the influences I hear in Dream Theater. In fact, what I would say is that I hear very little of the first three albums, a fair amount of "2112" and a LOT of Rush from "A Farewell to Kings" to "Moving Pictures." I know John Petrucci points at the sounds Alex got on "Hold Your Fire" as a model for HIS textural sound, so I think there's some influence there, but on those moodier pieces, it does run more to the Kevin Moore sound.
>It's easy to think that because Counterparts was the first real guitar >album from them since the 70s. That's when Alex came out of the control >room and played in the same room as his speakers. ("Feedback on a Rush >album?!?") TFE is less over-the-top, guitarwise, but still far more so >than, say, Presto.
Oh yeah...I'll agree with that. It's just that I've heard a lot about how there's even MORE guitar on "Test For Echo," which, I think, is a response to a noisier mix than on "Counterparts." There's definitely a hell of a lot more than on "Presto" or "Roll the Bones."
>From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> > > Ron is completely unique and covers EVERY style. Bumblefoot may be >more your cup of tea, since there's no grunge there.
Since I haven't heard him, I'm a little curious. My understanding is that he plays a lot of heavier-sounding stuff. Where is he, say, to Danny Gatton or even Steve Morse?
Five Gratutitous CD's: ====================== 1. Rush: Grace Under Pressure 2. Marillion: Fugazi 3. Pink Floyd: A Collection of Great Dance Songs 4. Soundtrack: Return of Superfly (Really) 5. Jaco Pastorius: Word of Mouth
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 97 13:53:24 EDT From: Christopher Bellardine <chris154@clam.rutgers.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush vs. Queensryche Message-ID: <CMM-RU.1.5.868384404.chris154@clam.rutgers.edu>
I'm just curious as to how far in the lead Rush is over Queensryche in that poll one of the jammers was conducting. I've never seen so much Response to a simple question. What album should I get next after AFTK? Tough question with lots of different opinions. Whomever asked this question I would like to thank you because that simple question has really given us something musically to talk about. Whoever the jammer that wrote it can also privately e-mail me and I would be happy to make a tape of my introduction to Rush. It'd be my pleasure. No disrespect to Queensryche.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:55:05 -0300 (EST) From: Daniel Vasconcelos Gomes <danielvg@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: south american dream Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970708144558.7426B-100000@POCAHONTAS>
hey Jammers!!!!
<In the last week I've been hearing constant rumors about DT doing a tour in South Americ, that would even bring them to Chile! (finally)
Do you guys know anything about it?>
According to brazillian newspapers/metal magazines is 100 % right that DT will play here(in Brazil) at MOnsters Of rock Concert, together with Angra, Dio, Manowar, Judas Priest(these five bands are confirmed) and maybe Type Of negative Whitesnake or Van Halen. I don't know about Chile Gigs, but I' sure that there will be some. DT will not play only one night in south america. But I think this concert, Monsters will be the best of these shows, because, we will not just See our favorite band (DT of course), but also other good ones, like DIo, and MAnowar(we will bang our heads!!!!). And, Angra and DT playing in a same night is personal dream I have.
See ya folks!!!!
Daniel V.Gomes (aka Aragorn)
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 11:49:29 From: nightcast@usa.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Music? On a DT list?? Message-ID: <ww03-BgHRxw2281@netaddress.usa.net>
Greeting fellow 'Jammers!
I just bought Yes Years after seeing so many people rave about them on here, so now I get my chance to hear them. (Believe it or not, I don't think I've ever heard Yes before beyond the song "Owner of a Lonely Heart.")
Here's something a little shocking - trivia anyone? The lead singer for the Buggles, of "Video Killed the Radio Star" fame joined Yes for this song, possibly some others. These two musical styles seem to be completely contradictory, but hey! It's still cool. :)
Other cool CDs I just picked up: Savage Garden, Robert Miles' Dreamland, and Duncan Sheik. In order of which I like the most to which I like the least.
I'm looking to grab a Savatage CD since I haven't heard much of them beyond their radio hits. I love the song "Edge of Thorns" but wonder if that's really their best or if there's better that I could do. Any Savatage fans let me know. :)
I also got my video from Melissa Bahr on Thursday. Not too bad, although the video quality on "The Silent Man" was downright awful. Half the time I couldn't even make out the picture. Was this just my copy or was everyone's this way? (Mike, you need to take some punctuality lessons from your wife. <grin>)
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