YTSEJAM Digest 2718
Today's Topics:
1) New FAQ Update
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
2) Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
by Craig Coy <craigcoy@geocities.com>
3) rush, yes, etc.
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
4)
by
5) stuff
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) fugazi?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2717
by "M. Morton" <mooman@u.washington.edu>
8) The Next One
by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James)
9) Yes/Buggles History lesson.
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
10) finneus gauge
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
11) THE "FUCKING" FAQ PART I
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) Se Habla Deutch
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
13) re: neo-classical guitar / 80s
by eckie@asu.edu
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>, Voices <voices@arastar.com>,
Subject: New FAQ Update
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970708144207.8195H-100000@newton.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, folks. Just want to let everyone know that the Dream Theater FAQ,
version 4.6, is available on the web, for FTP, and on
alt.music.dream-theater. It looks a lot nicer now, and includes some new
information, including stuff about "Falling Into Infinity" and some old
stuff that I never got around to. Have a look, and let me know what you
think!
-d
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:06:38 -0400
From: Craig Coy <craigcoy@geocities.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Posting rejected
Message-ID: <33C28FBE.37DE@geocities.com>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
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> > YTSEJAM Digest 2717
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2716
> > by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
> > 2) Re: Mood Songs
> > by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: rush, yes, etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970708145431.8195I-100000@newton.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
> Subject: Yes, Rush again...
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> You know, I had completely forgotten how I got into Rush. I worked at a
> summer camp (kinda like the one in Dirty Dancing, only in Vermont), and
That could be taken in a number of wrong ways. (Shut up, Graham. :)
----> From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> > Subject: A Lop, Skip, and a Mush > > Well, there IS one band member change (albeit one of the biggest switches in > the history of the drum chair), but the big difference is the > reconceptualization of the band. A little like the switch Pantera made on > "Cowboys From Hell."
I wouldn't know about the Pantera thing. But when you think about it, "Rush" was from a band that was basically doing original Zeppelin covers, and "Fly By Night" was the first from a great, intellectual band. "Ooh yeah, ooh yeah" to "Anthem of the heart and andthem of the mind." As much as I love that first album ("Before and After" always finds its way onto my mix tapes), I just don't think of it as a Rush album.
> The big shift between "2112" and "A Farewell To Kings," I think, is mostly > sonic.
Hmm, there's something I never thought of. I'll have to go back and listen to those tonight (after the all-star game, of course - go NL!) and get back to you on that.
> As can I, I think, in the opposite direction. Again, though, I think I'm > responding a lot more to sonics and the internals of the composition than > arrangement, which you seem to be focusing on. I mean, "Limelight" and > "Subdivisions" are similarly arranged songs. But the move from synths being > "events" to synths being a featured element of the music (again, I'm > borrowing from some number of interviews I've read over the years) is a > significant one, and one that you can hear in the manner the band composes.
That's a really good point. Rush's biggest inspiration on me has been as a bassist and as a lyricist, and less as a composer, so I didn't notice *how* the keys were used, just *when*.
[about PoW] > existence. What ended up happening in that Geddy would dump his bass and > several keyboards running in and out of the song, and Alex would have to > work his rough part into a finalized part around the keyboard parts that had > already been written. That shifted a little with "Hold Your Fire," which is
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> dramatically in that direction with "Presto." It IS still an album with a > fair amount of keys, so I don't have a problem with it being > "pop/electronic," as you say, but I think it's MORE significant for being > stripped down and layered differently with Rupert Hine producing.
I don't know what it is, but I like the sound of Presto more than I like the sound of HYF, although I'd put a lot of HYF stuff on a mix tape before any Presto stuff (except "Presto" and "Superconductor"). HYF sounds really really processed, and Presto just sounds more natural. (Hail Rupert. :)
> after all. I think "The Trees" is closer to "Different Strings" than "Red > Barchetta" is to "Losing It." The odd-time riff at the head of "La Villa > Strangiato," I think, has more to do with the odd-time riff in "Freewill" > than even the keyboard-heavy "YYZ" does to "The Weapon."
I guess we're just going to butt heads on this one. Oh, well. :)
> Oh yeah...I'll agree with that. It's just that I've heard a lot about how > there's even MORE guitar on "Test For Echo," which, I think, is a response > to a noisier mix than on "Counterparts." There's definitely a hell of a lot > more than on "Presto" or "Roll the Bones."
I don't think of TFE as a guitar album as much as I do CP, because CP to me was shockingly guitar-oriented (especially after RTB), whereas TFE seems "just right." I also like the songs on TFE far better than nearly any other Rush album. With the exception of "Limbo," I think Rush has once again become the premier songwriting team in rock.
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> From: nightcast@usa.net > Subject: Music? On a DT list?? > > Here's something a little shocking - trivia anyone? The lead singer > for the Buggles, of "Video Killed the Radio Star" fame joined Yes for > this song, possibly some others. These two musical styles seem to be > completely contradictory, but hey! It's still cool. :)
Just to be precise, the Buggles (both of them) joined Yes and recorded the Drama album (which I think Syrinx has heard once or twice :). Trevor Horn, the singer, left the band after that and stayed on as a producer. My timeline is probably off here, but Geoff Downes (the keyboardist) did some work with Asia after this (and maybe before it as well. Anyone?)
And I'd think the contradictory thing is Trevor and Geoff doing "Video Killed...", not the other way around. :)
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970708151311.27331B-100000@bdmserver>
Just got back from getting hitched and spending a week in St. Martin in the Caribbean. It is amazing how that even though St. Martin is 85 degrees year round, the sun is so much more abusive in July than it is in December. I used 4 spf in December and got hardly any tan. I had to use 15 spf last week and got toasted. One good thing about being back is that I dont have to hear another Jimmy Buffet song (not that Buffet is bad just that he gives overplay a new meaning in the islands...).
Anyway some early thoughts after reading 17 of 45 jams in my mailbox:
This imposter stuff is annoying. Go D-Man and kick this guy's butt.
The new Crue: Well after further listening, I really like the new cd. The first song has grown big time on me as has most of the rest of the album. The two songs by Tommy and Nikki about their family still suck.
SEPTEMBER!!!! New Savatage and new DT, enough said...
King's X: One of those bands that there are times when I am really into them and times where I am really tired of them.
My wife called me at work today about a package from Arizona. I guess she thought it might be another wedding present. Anyway she goes "It is from Mike and Melissa Bahr". I said that the package is mine and told her to open and it is Precious Things... Think after 2 weeks off I can leave early?
oh well off to read some more jams...
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: fugazi? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970708151251.3731A-100000@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Never heard the band fugazi's music, ws under the impression they were a punkish outfit, tho.......does the band fugazi have anything at all to do with the album Fugazi by Marillion that showed up on Mr. Barnhart's NP list?
>> and I figured it was annoying to them. Wow...the memories. Only about >> 10 years until my daughters are slamming their door, screaming 'I hate >> you', and blaring the stereo. I wonder what song it'll be in 2007? > With any luck, it'll be DT. :)
With any bad luck, it'll be the spice girls :)
Partha
"adventure, excitement, A Jedi craves not these things" -Silent Bob
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Morton" <mooman@u.washington.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2717 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970708124811.53434A-100000@dante18.u.washington.edu>
HELP! Someone! I need to unsubscribe to this garbage and I deleted the instructional message. How do I do it? I thought it was an update list on Dream Theater, but is instead a group of internet geeks bitching at each other with too much time on their hands. SOS! Thanks, mooman
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:55:00 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Next One Message-ID: <9707081955.AA03551@jason.qc.ca>
I think the next song to be recorded should be "Trial of Tears"
total time to present : 53 minutes + Trial of Tears : 12:40 ______ about 65 minutes
maybe one song more to come and that will be it
rj
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: A Ytse Besides Itself <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Yes/Buggles History lesson. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970708155800.4458B-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Here's something a little shocking - trivia anyone? The lead singer > for the Buggles, of "Video Killed the Radio Star" fame joined Yes for > this song, possibly some others. These two musical styles seem to be > completely contradictory, but hey! It's still cool. :)
Being that DRAMA is my favorite album of all time, i thought i should interject here.
After "The The Age Of Plastic," the Buggles (Geoff Downes and Trevor Horn) started working on their new album. They had a song written as a tribute to Yes. As luck would have it, the Yes troupe (minus Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman, who had already split by then) was working on their new album next door. The Buggles, now knowing that Jon and Rock had left, presented this song to Yes (i.e. Steve, Chris and Alan). Soon afterwords, both Geoff and Trevor joined Yes (and that song is now called "Tempus Fugit", by the way).
After th DRAMA tour, Trevor went back to the Buggles (along with Geoff), Alan and Chris started XYZ (with Jimmy Page, but then changed to Cinema when Trevor Rabin joined and back to Yes when Jon Anderson joined) and Steve joined with John Wetton to form Asia (which, we all know, Geoff Downes is in...and is the only original member on every Asis album).
Trevor Horn produced 90125 (and co-wrote Hold On, i believe) with Yes in 1983. He then joined the group "Art Of Noise" and later produced Frankie Goes To Hollywood's albums (and is now the producer of Seal, that guy who sings "Kiss From A Rose" and "Crazy", a song that i really like).
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:42:11 +0000 From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: finneus gauge Message-ID: <199707082019.PAA04223@soli.inav.net>
hey-
wow. music talk here again eh? weird. anyway... i thought i'd make a comment regarding finneus gauge...
they suck.
you ever buy an album that makes you want to haul all your musical equipment down to the nearest pawn shop? or pile it up in the backyard and have a huge bonfire? or just dump it on the street corner? heh. i think you get my point. musically this band makes echolyn look like first year music students (and echolyn ranks amoung my favorite all time bands...). Buzby's musical genious really shines through on this disc. the writing is highly jazz fusion/funk oriented with a nice strong hint of 70's prog rock on the side. i really dig the singer... her voice is very mature and well developed. and i think the lyrics shy away a bit from the almost cheesy content echolyn tended to display. (again, no flames please. i can say whatever the hell i want about one of my favorite bands).
while i think all the musicians are top notch, i'm specifically curious to hear some thoughts on the guiatarist from some of the guitar playing jammers... with my limited knowledge of guitar, he sounds like a freaking monster; he can rip some lightning fast runs and seems to me to have a great ear... but i'm curious what some of you think.
as a keyboardist, i'm enthralled by Buzby's playing, not only on it's own, but incorporated into the entire band. the arrangement skills shown here are astounding to me.
so anyway, if you're into prog rock with a strong fusion feel, surf to http://www.ghostland.com/finneus.html and get more info.
buy the disc. it rules.
-Andrew
--------------------------------------------------------- | Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage | | http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com | | "first impressions" released. cassettes available | | an 8/97 release is planned for sr2 *ON CDS!!!* | ---------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:23:13 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: THE "FUCKING" FAQ PART I Message-ID: <199707082023.NAA07944@gms.gmsnet.com>
This is the first part of the new FUCKING FAQ dedicated to YTSEJAM.
Part I: Is this a music mailing lists?
Well, yes, in many ways more than one. You probably joined thinking it was a Dream Theater mailing list, there's where you're first misconception lies. It's a Fortune in Lies to put it shortly. Actually, there are a lot of good bands discussed on the Jam, but watch out for those "who sucks who rule threads".
Part II: Who the hell runs this circus?
That would be that guy named Skadz. He reads the Jam indirectly, by word of mouth... :)
Part III: Who the hell runs the REAL FAQ?
That hairy lesbian named D-Man. Watch out for him, he's scary.
Part IV: Who the hell just runs off?
Ah... that's a multipart answer. Our current reigning prince would have to be that Bafu character from Seattle, WA. There's a few others like our favorite imposter guy and Lars.
Part V: How do you decipher this mailing list.
It takes years of study to extract the real DT content, but it's in there.
Part VI: Can I unsubscribe by saying, "HELP GET ME OFF THIS LIST! YOUR KILLING MY MAIL SERVER WITH BITCHING!!"
Uh no, but you can cause an even bigger influx of unwanted mail.
Do it correctly:
send mail to ytsejam-request@ax.com
subject: asdf (or non at all)
content:
unsubscribe ytsejam <your address>
If you're subscribed from AOL, please learn to program your VCR first, it might be easier.
Part VII: How do I make a safe first post?
Well, think of it like this, you're about to jump into a stream of raging water without knowing how to swim. Put on a lifevest, tie yourself to a tree. Shave your butt (if you're a hairy male, D-Man prefers that). And then jump in.
This is by no means complete.
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:23:22 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Se Habla Deutch Message-ID: <199707082023.NAA04455@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> > >RUSH: Led Zep clone blues-rock
Y'know, I really like Rush and it may just be my fandom talking, but there IS some pretty interesting stuff on there. "Before and After," for example, doesn't much sound like Zeppelin to me at all. It's bluesy, yes, but, aside from a questionnable riff or two, I think the record's as much Cream as Zeppelin...and there are some extended jam sections in there that exhibit, to me, at least, that the band is CAPABLE of a rave up, even if it's not their desired mode of expression, generally speaking.
>POWER WINDOWS: A new definitive Rush sound. Another balance is >HOLD YOUR FIRE: struck between the original trio sound, and the >PRESTO: use of keys to attain the studio polish they like >ROLL THE BONES: so much. Each of these albums, however, follows a > natural progression <regression?> to the original > "power trio" sound.
That underscores something else to me. To my ears, "Hold Your Fire" is a more guitar-oriented album than "Power Windows." It still, however, seems to have more synth ideas...and a little more bass playing, for that matter. I suppose that's what makes all of these terms a somewhat inexact science, but it all adds up to "more." Which, I think, is why "Hold Your Fire" is my favorite Rush album and "Power Windows" is in the bottom half of the Rush canon.
>COUNTERPARTS: Yet another redefined sound, as Alex goes through >TEST FOR ECHO: his guitar mid-life crisis, if you will, and > rediscovers the stack. Couterparts has some real > dregs on it, but by the same token, it has some of > their best work to date. The same goes for Test > for Echo, althouh the riffing is better here.
I don't really agree with the idea that "Counterparts" is more uneven than "Test For Echo." Basically, my favorite songs on the two albums -- the leadoff tracks and the "power ballads" (such as they are in Rush music), "Animate" and "Cold Fire" vs. "Test For Echo" and "Resist" -- are a wash, but the rest of "Counterparts" I like a fair sum better. I'd actually place it somewhere among my favorite five or six Rush albums, where "Test For Echo" is in the "Power Windows" neighborhood for me.
Songs and moods:
I'll agree with the folks who've expressed that they take different musical remedies as their ailments differ....
"Fade to Black" is a song I really sit down with when I'm exploring my depression. I'm not really the suicidal sort, but it's an amazing piece of music. "Gone and Away" by the Lost Souls is in that category, as well...but it's a bluesy song, and one which has some soul-lifting kind of resonance as well. The blues can be that way, as a couple of folks here have already pointed out. Strangely enough, I get the same sort of impact from Johnny Cash. Country music actually reflects a lot of the same sets of emotions, as Ray Charles pointed out to a listening audience 40 years ago by releasing an album of C&W.
Rush songs really lift my spirits, generally speaking. Mike Bahr mentioned "Time Stand Still" as his favorite Rush song, a sentiment with which I agree wholeheartedly. It's my single favorite piece of music. Triumph is almost relentlessly positive, which, again, someone pointed out a while back. The music is pretty upbeat and major, at least for rock music, and Rik Emmett's always writing ultra-positive lyrics.
Eric Johnson and Joe Satriani are in that category, even with their instrumental music. "Cliffs of Dover" and "Flying in a Blue Dream" are both really inspiring to me....and Satch, of course, has the simple, plaintive, "I Believe" to bolster the downtrodden spirit.
If I just want to revel for 40 minutes, though, I put on "Pictures at an Exhibition." Ravel's orchestration.....ELP's a wonderful band and the piano suite is a lot subtler and interesting in many ways, but there's nothing like the real deal (well...the real deal, postponed half a century). Wagner has his moments, as well. "Die Meistersinger," in particular. The Processional March from "Aida" is cool, too, for the Italian Opera types.
"Heavy Weather" seems to cure a fair amount of ills for me, too. "A Remark You Made" is thoughtful, "Birdland" is fun, "Havona" is amazing. "Night Passage" has "Three Views of a Secret," but, when I'm looking for positive emotional resonance, I'll opt for the full band arrangement on "Word of Mouth." And while I'm further glorifying the memory of Jaco, the Yellowjackets album "Politics" has a tribute to the man "Galileo (for Jaco)" which I invariably find inspiring. Coltrane has "My Favorite Things," which is really good, I've found, when I'm emotionally contemplative, and "A Love Supreme," which you can almost trance out on. Miles Davis has the aforementioned "Kind of Blue" along with "My Funny Valentine."
Then there's the band that wrote the wonderful "Learning to Live" and "Another Day," both of which fit into this conversation somewhere...
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Nirvana: Nevermind 2. Body Count: Born Dead 3. Stu Hamm: Kings of Sleep 4. Rush: Presto 5. Afghan Whigs: Gentleman
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com http://www.cfmc.com/adamb
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 13:34:39 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: neo-classical guitar / 80s Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970708133306.8726A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Bah, Friedman lives out here in Phoenix and gives clinics and appearances here and there throughout the valley, usually low key. And Tony MacAlpine's usually gracing us with his presence at least once or twice a month at the Mason Jar. Of course, since I'm under 21 years of age, the show sucks.
We should just nuke the damned shithole. :)
~Eckie
On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Chung Ng wrote:
> >One of my favorites neo-classical albums is Jason Becker's "Perpetual Burn"< > > Ah...one of the classics. I loved the music that came out in the 80s ( NO NO, > not the glam stuff). We had Malmsteen, Marty Friedman/Jason Becker, Vinny > Moore, Racer X/Paul Gilbert, Tony MacAlpine... These guys were actually > playing gigs in rock clubs!!! Now the only way to see them is at a guitar > clinic. >
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