YTSEJAM Digest 2721
Today's Topics:
1) Re: FaN cLuB
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
2) Re: For Guitarists...
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
3) recent releases
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
4) Depression's sweet resolution (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
5) DTC
by "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
6) Re: For Guitarists...
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
7) Re: For Guitarists...
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
8) Half a Queer
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Journey Into the Self-Indulgent
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
10) Re: For Guitarists...
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
11) Re: For Guitarists...
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
12) me, again...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2705
by Infinate0@aol.com
14) Re: For Guitarists...
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
15) Guitar Zone URL
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
16) uh, I don't remember...
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:47:46 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: FaN cLuB
Message-ID: <4A2564CF.000433D1.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Why don't you e-mail him and ask him, the address is inside the last issue
of I & W, I am at work so I can't give it, from memory it's:
images_and_words@compuserve.com
Graham
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Date: 08 Jul 97 17:12:29 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: For Guitarists...
Message-ID: <199707090018.RAA23693@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
"The Doc" wrote:
>Wow... do you like get on your hands and knees often too?? Petrucci has good
>technique but lets not go overboard. His writing is better than average.
This has nothing to do with ass-kissing, which I have never and will never do.
I wrote what I wrote about Petrucci's guitar playing because that is my
sincere opinion. When I first heard Images and Words I knew *immediately*
that if I could abandon my career and "become" a member of any band, it would
be Petrucci. He had the sound, the tone, the feel that I had been looking for
at the time. I haven't heard any relatively new guitarist who remotely
approaches the combination of technique, feeling, songwriting, and lyric
writing that Petrucci has displayed with DT.
Out of curiosity, since you label Petrucci's technique as "good" and
songwriting as "better than average", who would you claim to have better
technique and be a better songwriter?
cheers,
-Neil.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:02:10 +0000
From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: recent releases
Message-ID: <1343727021-829163@hutman.com>
It's good to see the conversations turning back to music instead of
sexuality and christianity. so with that said, on to the music...
I have the Clockwork CD EP "Search" for $8. Anybody who has it
already can attest to the fact that this is pretty much essential
listening. It's a no-brainer for fans of DT, Shadow Gallery,
Helloween, etc.
Also, we just released "People of the Southwind" - A Tribute to
Kansas. It contains 60 minutes of bands & collaborations performing
some great Kansas tunes. It's on tape and it's only $2, but this is
the last call at this price; it WILL increase in the next few weeks.
And of course, we still have the "DREGs of the Internet" compilation
of progressive rock & metal bands. It's 72 minutes on CD for $12.
For more info, email me at DREG@hutman.com, or better yet, visit our
web-site for info, audio-clips and an order form at the URL listed
below.
-steve
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DREG Records homepage:
http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
New & Improved Progressive Rock
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:54:58 -0700
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: People who feel like tortoises on galapagos <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Depression's sweet resolution (NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970709035458.0068ef90@pop.pipeline.com>
Rick Audet said:
>Okay, I'll comment. I've had great success during a bout with depression with:
>
>The Cure, _Pornography_
So you are saying the cure for depression is pornography? Ok...
CD of the day: "Accident of Birth" - Bruce Dickinson
Detroit Red Wings - 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:10:26 +0000
From: "Steve Lehrfeld" <DREG@hutman.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTC
Message-ID: <1343726515-859528@hutman.com>
Oh, i almost forgot to mention...
we have a free Dream Theater Win95 desktop Theme. Just go to our
web-site and download it.
take care,
-steve
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DREG Records homepage:
http://www.hutman.com/dreg/
New & Improved Progressive Rock
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Date: 08 Jul 97 18:15:23 -0700
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: For Guitarists...
Message-ID: <199707090115.SAA00209@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
Walter wrote:
>Well, you forgot a slew of other great guitarists like Gary Hoey, Blues
>Saraceno, Marc Bonilla, Lanny Cordola, Scott Henderson, Steve Morse... :-)
That I did - let me add to my previous post a little.. (I am deliberately
leaving out Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen, and Rhoads as they have already been
discussed).
BLUES SARACENO: A CT native, as am I, he lives up to his name "blues" rather
nicely. I like to think of his playing as bluesy with a shot of adrenaline.
I have his debut album and "Plaid", and I think they're both great. I
wouldn't necessarily call him a shredder, but he can play some fast runs and
has a great feel for riffs and rhythmically cool blues licks. Check it out if
you like your instrumental guitar to wander only a little off the pentatonic
base.
GARY HOEY: Once again, I wouldn't necessarily call Gary a shredder, but he
has some technical ability. He's another guy who plays with a lot of style
and feeling, and truly has a fantastic time playing the guitar - he was great
live! Pick up "Animal Instinct" to hear some great songs, cool melodies, the
classic "Hocus Pocus", and some great fretless bass work as well.
MARC BONILLA: Chops-wise I would put Bonilla a little bit above Hoey and
Saraceno. He's another guy whose music I enjoy but don't feel that it is
cutting-edge or unique enough to rate him with Becker, Howe, Firkins, etc.
Worth a listen though.
SCOTT HENDERSON: Having only one Tribal Tech album, I don't feel like I know
enough about Scott to analyze his work. Tribal Tech is cool if you're into
jazzy fusion, which I am at times. He seems very proficient from a technical
standpoint.
LANNY CORDOLA: I haven't heard his music! Who would you compare him to?
STEVE MORSE: Morse simply makes my brain recoil. The guy kicks so much ass
it hurts. One of his key assets is *versatility*. I think Steve is the most
versatile guitarist I've ever heard. He can play a fast-paced fusion rocker
("Take it off the Top"), a country/bluegrass romp ("Gina Lola Breakdown"), a
trippy, gorgeous, odd-meter ballad ("Night Meets Light"), a progressive epic
with heavy violin and key presence ("The Odyssey"), a funky, rhythmic tune
("Ice Cakes"), a guitar/violin classical duet ("Little Kids"), etc. All of
these songs are from *one* album (go buy "What If" by the Dregs!). While
Steve is technically outstanding (see "Tumeni Notes"), I think perhaps his
compositional ability is his most prominent asset. Hearing the classical
pieces like "Point Counterpoint" and "Modoc" is always a rude awakening to me;
it reminds me of my own relative inability to write a cool counterpoint song.
Plus, if you ever want to know where Petrucci picked up that cool chromatic
style (Erotomania, anyone?), you will see that it comes directly from Morse.
One of Steve's great techniques, borrowed from classical guitar playing, is
his ability to hit natural harmonics above *fretted* notes, thereby enlarging
the guitar's range and creating truly *soaring* melodies. This is done by
using the right hand index finger over a fret to "finger" the harmonic, while
fretting a note with the left hand and plucking the string on the bridge side
of the harmonic with another right hand finger. Eric Johnson does this as
well. Van Halen does this in simplified form by tapping the harmonic hard
over the fret with the right index finger. Every single album of the Dregs or
the Steve Morse Band is a classic. Steve truly deserves all the accolades he
has received.
cheers,
-Neil.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:18:07 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: For Guitarists...
Message-ID: <4A2564CF.0006DFD1.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Well off the top of my head, guitarist/songwriter on top of my list would
be Neal Schon, followed by Steve Rothery of Marillion, who BTW is my fave
guitarist of all time.
Graham
NEVANS@us.oracle.com on 09/07/97 10:54:06 AM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU)
Subject: Re: For Guitarists...
"The Doc" wrote:
>Wow... do you like get on your hands and knees often too?? Petrucci has
good >technique but lets not go overboard. His writing is better than
average.
This has nothing to do with ass-kissing, which I have never and will never
do. I wrote what I wrote about Petrucci's guitar playing because that is
my
sincere opinion. When I first heard Images and Words I knew *immediately*
that if I could abandon my career and "become" a member of any band, it
would be Petrucci. He had the sound, the tone, the feel that I had been
looking for at the time. I haven't heard any relatively new guitarist who
remotely approaches the combination of technique, feeling, songwriting, and
lyric writing that Petrucci has displayed with DT.
Out of curiosity, since you label Petrucci's technique as "good" and
songwriting as "better than average", who would you claim to have better
technique and be a better songwriter?
cheers,
-Neil.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Half a Queer
Message-ID: <199707090116.VAA21786@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Steve Z was rambling about...
--- I love 'em both. I do, however, think that the songs "Alien Shore," "The Speed of Love," and "Everyday Glory" from CP need to go far away <as i just don't like them musically or lyrically>, much in the same way I feel that "Half the World," and "The Color of Right" are the worst songs on TfE.---
Eh? What?!?! Half the World is awesome!!
Special Announcement : Steve Z is officially a gay!!
I would say Limbo is the worst tune on the album and possibly the worst Rush song ever. I feel the same as you about Dog Years, of course. Music=Rokz Nadz Lyrics=Sukz Nadz
Can't wait for my Finneus album!!!! Speaking of waiting for albums...
What about Precious Things? Anyone else still waiting for that one?
--- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 97 20:16:59 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Journey Into the Self-Indulgent Message-ID: <33c2e68a6532363@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
On the subject of Rush, since they've been talked about quite a bit lately:
I'll admit right off the bat that I'm not a huge Rush fan, but I enjoy a lot of their stuff, especially the 80's albums. My question for all you Rush/prog fanatics is this: am I the only one who finds "2112" to be an absolutely boring, obnoxious, insufferable piece of work? No flames, please, I'm not disrespecting anyone's opinion, if you like it that's cool. I'm just wondering if anyone else feels the same.
-Brian
***************************** Quote of the Day ********************************* "Show the world that love is still alive, you must be brave, Or all you children of today are children of the grave." -0zzy Osbourne ********************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: For Guitarists... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970708213124.19419A-100000@galileo.cris.com>
Neil wrote:
> BLUES SARACENO: A CT native, as am I, he lives up to his name "blues" rather > nicely. I like to think of his playing as bluesy with a shot of adrenaline. > I have his debut album and "Plaid", and I think they're both great.
<snip>
Debut album? Hmm.... I was under the impression _Never Look Back_ was his debut album. Maybe I'm mistaken. I like this album a lot, though, with the exception of two tracks. Otherwise his playing on that record is full of energy and cool licks. Sorry, not very descriptive, but I bet Mads has something more to say about it, right Mads?
> SCOTT HENDERSON: Having only one Tribal Tech album, I don't feel like I know > enough about Scott to analyze his work. Tribal Tech is cool if you're into > jazzy fusion, which I am at times. He seems very proficient from a technical > standpoint.
Scottie can also be heard on the first of the Chick Corea Electric Band albums (self-titled) as well as a project known as "The Players". I've never seen this latter album myself, but it was once recommended to me years ago.
Now Playing: Miles Davis, _Bitches Brew_
Rick Audet Dolby Labs
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:49:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: For Guitarists... Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970708214751.19419B-100000@galileo.cris.com>
Like an idiot who can't read, I wrote:
> Debut album? Hmm.... I was under the impression _Never Look Back_ was his > debut album.
Duh. I re-read my own post after sending it and saw the magic words "Plaid *and* his debut album". My apologies.
Carry on.
Rick Audet Dolby Labs
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:12:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: me, again... Message-ID: <199707090212.WAA26148@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> >To the guy posing as the impostor...FUCK YOU! Spice Girls RULE. And, that's > >not how you spell 'loser' > > No, fuck you. If you didn't have your head stuffed up your bald anus you'd > know that it's "looser".
No...it IS loser. Looser is how your mom is after I'm done with her. :)
> shred guitar must be measured (and inevitably it falls short). Someone > recently mentioned a classification of this album as "Neoclassical". I have > never thought of it in that way, although it does apply to some parts of some > songs. However, "neoclassical" now has such a Yngwie connotation that I find > it to be an inadequate label for an album of this depth and variety. Becker > does not employ harmonic minor only, for example; rather, he explores a wide > variety of scales. I think Becker is at his finest in major keys, actually > (or pseudo-major keys like Lydian mode).
I hate when people classify this stuff as "neoclassical." Look in your music history books, guys, and you'll find out what neoclasscal is. <BTW, this is not directed at the author/s of this post--I don't want to misquote anyone.> I hate when people call Yngwie neoclassical. He's more like "neo-Baroque" but technically, i would just call it Baroque. The only difference is in the orchestration and the occasional slip from harmonic minor into Phrygian. This man has ripped of Bach, Vivaldi, Paganinni, and other great Baroque composers. How can that make him neoclassical?
> "Briiiaaaaan!!" "Kiiirrrrrrk!!" > - Joe, Wings - Khan, Wrath of Khan > brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com > bkirk@blkbox.com > Write me. If you dare!
I must say, again, I love this .sig!
> I actually think that if you take each set of two Rush albums, you get a > really satisfying set of pairings. The most problematic is the first pair, > but, beyond that, it's really quite remarkable. They make a right turn, > pretty predictably, with every other album, and mix it up somewhat between > the two related albums. Which is why I think Steve's probably onto > something. We're lumping component parts on a larger level, while he's > broken them down into something else. Atoms vs. molecules....something > along those lines.
Thanks, Adam, for saying that. I like that. :)
> Steve Z > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 2719 > **************************
I got an EOJ! YAY, ME!
Steve Z
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Infinate0@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2705 Message-ID: <970708221323_-124754775@emout06.mail.aol.com>
To the guy looking for a new power amp:
90 watts per side tube is WAY more than you will ever be able to handle. Tube vs. solid state doesn't even compare. In fact, John Petrucci's guitar teh, Mark Snyder (who used to work for Mesa/Boogie) compares a 50 watt tube amp to a 100 watt solid-state.
I have the 2:90 myself, and through 1 channel (i don't use the second), and 1 Recto cab, I have enough volume to cut through my brother's double-bass kit, cymbals...everything, and I'm at about 1/3rd power.
You need to go to a music store and try a tube amp. solid-state sucks.
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:11:06 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: For Guitarists... Message-ID: <B0000141715@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 06:25 PM 7/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>BLUES SARACENO: A CT native, as am I, he lives up to his name "blues" rather >nicely. I like to think of his playing as bluesy with a shot of adrenaline. >I have his debut album and "Plaid", and I think they're both great. I >wouldn't necessarily call him a shredder, but he can play some fast runs and >has a great feel for riffs and rhythmically cool blues licks. Check it out if >you like your instrumental guitar to wander only a little off the pentatonic >base.
_Never Look Back_ is his debut. _Plaid_ is his second. _Hairpick_ is his third and the best of them all. On the third album, Blues has some cool tunes with catchy melodies. Songwise it's like Gary Hoey and with some bits of Nuno's rhythmic style incorporated.
>MARC BONILLA: Chops-wise I would put Bonilla a little bit above Hoey and >Saraceno. He's another guy whose music I enjoy but don't feel that it is >cutting-edge or unique enough to rate him with Becker, Howe, Firkins, etc. >Worth a listen though.
I wasn't too impressed with _EE Ticket_ except with the song that had Keith Emerson on keys. That songs rocks. _American Matador_ is a big improvement, IMHO. He has a lot of diverse songs on there from flamenco, to a cool biker rocking song, to a classical duet of a Pangini (sp?) piece. >SCOTT HENDERSON: Having only one Tribal Tech album, I don't feel like I know >enough about Scott to analyze his work. Tribal Tech is cool if you're into >jazzy fusion, which I am at times. He seems very proficient from a technical >standpoint.
He has some great guitarwork on the _Illicit_ and _Reality Check_ albums some of it gets hard rocking but usually he plays jazzy funk. His self-titled album _Dog Party_ has some great tunes, and the title track is a long progressive funk tune. A lot of blues songs on this though like a rendition of Elvis' Hound Dog.
>LANNY CORDOLA: I haven't heard his music! Who would you compare him to?
Hmm...he has the diversity of Hoey but more of a shredder. _Of Riffs and Symphonies_ is an instrumental album that has different types of tunes from flamenco, blues, swing-jazz-psychedilia, rock, neo-classical. Worth a listen if you can find it. Hint: look in the bargain bin of your local xian music store.
Walter.
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:16:18 +0000 From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar Zone URL Message-ID: <B0000141720@chicago.orlinter.com>
This is a comprehensive web page of just about all the instrumetal rock guitarists. Whew, looks like really behind in this scene now.
http://www.realpage.com/guitarzone/index.html
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:26:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: uh, I don't remember... Message-ID: <199707090226.WAA27192@umbc8.umbc.edu>
> (okay, folks, open fire...I think Baker's a better drummer than Bonham).
No, NOW open fire: I actually think Rutsey's better than BOTH of 'em.
> > Yes, but further down the road, let's not forget that "the more...things > > change/the more they stay the same" <Hemispheres> is a far cry from "he > > knows changes aren't permanent/but change is" <Moving Pictures> and these > > were BOTH from Neil's pen. > > > > I don't know what I mean by that, just sumpin' about which to think. :) > > Oh, don't pick on "Circumstances." The poor "I'm the *other* song on > Hemis, but I don't get any love on tour or the best of's or anything" > song. :)
NoNoNo, I love the song! Not picking!
<there was no pick! It was a scratch!>
> > I love the music on "Dog Years" a LOT...but those lyrics? Come ON! :) > > You have to take the "Dog Years" lyrics they way they're meant to be - fun > on the surface, but with that Neil edge to them. Yeah, it's a silly song. > Very much so. (But so is "The Trees.") But dig a little deeper, and you > see that whole life-metaphor thing happening. (Not to mention that Sirius > wordplay - the reason I still think Neil's better than KevMo at writing > lyrics.) I would have *much* rather had this one on tour than either > "Resist" or "Limbo."
Yeah, I get the double meanings <serious/Sirius>, but I just think it's lost on most of the ignorant masses.
Oh, yeah! I would have loved this on tour! As if that opening riff wasn't heavy enough, the one under the verse is a killer too!
> Have I mentioned lately how good the harmonies on "To Live Forever" are?
D-Man, you homo, you crack me up. :)
> >Well, it seems that as the years go by, Alex gets less and less interested > >in soloing. The solos on RtB are great. The solos on Counterparts are > >stellar <Cut to the Chase, Cold Fire>, but few and far between. The solos > >on TfE are almost nonexistent, but the riffing <Driven, Time & Motion, Dog > >Years, Virtuality> kicks my ass all over Annapolis. > > That's an interesting one. Well, specifically, I mean the "Cold Fire" solo. > When I first heard it, I LOVED the song (I still think it's one of the ten > best Rush songs), but I didn't really care for the solo, an opinion I shared > with an awful lot of people. Then, a couple of weeks after buying the CD, > the solo just clicked with me, and now I think it's one of his best.
Yay! I knew someone had to agree with me. Good stuttering blues-rock influenced solo in an extremely well-written song.
> Power Windows thru RTB is my fourth era.....a lot of you would put a break > point in the middle of this group, and with the producer switch, I thought > about this one for a bit....but, is HYF really that far removed from > Presto? I listened to 'em both last night, and I couldn't really say > "yes".....the last coupla albums are the "back to the gee-tar, let's run > away from Rupert Hine" era.......
Yeah, that's how I break 'em down. Absolutely right about the "more and more gee-tar" thing.
Wow this is like my fourth post today. <I just got my wisdom teeth out and I'm house-ridden.>
See ya!
Steve Z
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