YTSEJAM Digest 2733
Today's Topics:
1) Did I just hear an opinion?; Killing people with car = MONEY BWAHAHAHA!
by caber1@concentric.net
2) re: Paganini / Alex Maestro Gregory
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
3) The final dates for the Fish tour of USA and Canada (NDC)
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
4) Rumble in the Jungle - DT vs. FW
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
5) Tubes and pick-ups.
by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
6) Tori Amos (NDTC)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
7) Mr. Wee-wee is getting a wee bit too annoying
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
8) Amps
by John Cummings <cummings@ee.ualberta.ca>
9) More New Song stuff..
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
10) Trinity knob?um...
by ladyheather@juno.com
11) Re: JLMB, Paganini, Primus, Mr. Big
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
12) Re: Rumble in the Jungle - DT vs. FW
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
13) Return of The Imposter
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) Re: New Ivanhoe/CD trade
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
15) Re: Rumble in the Jungle - DT vs. FW
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_?= Allaire <sallaire@sie.qc.ca>
16) Yowza! OOOOH! OOOOOOOH!
by Laussade@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:00:17 -0700
From: caber1@concentric.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Did I just hear an opinion?; Killing people with car = MONEY BWAHAHAHA!
Message-ID: <33C56981.1CE5@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
I'm in one hell of a good mood!
> From: JE78674@ltu.edu
> Subject: Re: RE: Primus......why?
> It's simple dude, and nice "Half the World" pun btw.........
> Primus just doesn't do anything that Prog does, it's just not good music.
> And I think that's a realistic view. And yes you are right about the
> RUSH thing, but that is the case of stupidity verses being open-minded..
> true? If you are a fellow RUSH fan, I feel you would agree with me on
> that........
Is "prog" a band. Maybe you meant Prong. Ah, I don't care anyway. If you
like Primus then listen to them. If you can't stand them well there's
nothing better than complaining to the rest of the people on the DT
list. :P I know I'm no better posting about this, but, it really is an
opinion...So read my .sig! :)
___
Today I finally got my insurance money! 8^D Now, I can finally buy some
of the things I didn't have the money for, before. I even went out
today. :) And bought King Crimson "In the Court of the Crimson King,"
KMFDM "XTORT," and Type O Negative "October Rust." So I'll have some
reviews very soon on these and stuff like Angra, Superior, and stuff
that you never find in crappy mall type CD stores! :)
"Is there heaven is there hell
is that tuna melt that I smell"
Primus "Hellbound 17 1/2"
John McCabe
caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 17:11:05 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: Paganini / Alex Maestro Gregory
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+4wIlnA@tcx.tcco.com>
>And that waste of flesh moron, Maestro Alex Gregory...
>And to think he is taking a wizz on Malmsteen and Vai's
>graves on the front cover of the CD. WHATEVER!!
Is that Steve Vai? I thought it was Stevie Ray Vaughan...
Anyway, I brought that one to work this morning and while
it's definitely impressive playing. But not that good - that
he should be pissin' on anybody...
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:28:36 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The final dates for the Fish tour of USA and Canada (NDC)
Message-ID: <v01520d06afeb0442ab2f@[205.134.227.91]>
This is for those of you who like Fish, Mastermind or Spock's Beard.
Thanks!
AE
The final dates for the Fish tour of USA and Canada are as follows :
Support
July 18 Pittsburgh Graffiti Showcase Mastermind
19 Phiadelphia T.L.A. ----"-----
20 Washington DC Bayou ----"-----
22 New York Tramps Emotive
23 Morgan, NJ Club Bene ---"---
24 Danbury,CT Tuxedo Junction Mastermind
25 Poughkeepsie,NJ The Chance ----"-----
27 Providence, RI The Strand ----"-----
28 Boston, MA Paradise Rock Club ----"-----
30 Toronto,ONT The Guverment Harem Scarem
31 Quebec City,QUE D'Autelu Sara Craig
AUG 01 Hull,QUE Lac Des Feef/Rock For.. ----"-----
03 Montreal,QUE Spectrum ----"-----
04 Quebec City D'Autelu ----"-----
05 Sherbrooke,QUE Cafe Du Palais ----"-----
07 Buffalo,NY The Tralf Mastermind
08 Pontiac,MI 7th House ----"-----
10 Cleveland,OH Odeon ----"-----
11 Grand Rapids, MIThe Intersection ----"-----
12 Columbus,OH Ludlow's ----"-----
14 Milwaukee,WI Shank Hall ----"-----
15 Chicago,IL Park West ----"-----
18 Denver,CO Bluebird Theatre ----"-----
21 Vancouver,BC Starfish Room ----"-----
22 Seattle,WA The Fenix ----"-----
24 San Francisco Slim's Spock's Beard
25 Freemont,CA Club Kaos -----"-------
27 West Hollywood Roxy Theatre -----"-------
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:41:59 EDT From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rumble in the Jungle - DT vs. FW Message-ID: <19970710.164038.5039.10.DSeeger@juno.com>
> > >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:02:54 -0400 >From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_?= Allaire <sallaire@sie.qc.ca> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: Fates Warning VS Dream Theater >Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970710160247.00686168@mail.sie.qc.ca> > Steph wrote:
>Hi all! > > >What would you think of a 60 minutes > >song from Dream Theater? > I think it would be unoriginal because now we can say it's been done. > >I listened to A pleasant shade of > >gray from Fates Warning and I found > >it interesting.
Just interesting?! It's BEYOND interesting. It's the best they've done in years. > > >But I'm sure DT is able to write > >a better masterpiece than FW. > I'm sure you're wrong. You seem to be underestimating FW's talent. I don't think DT could hold my attention for an hour the way Fates can. Not that they couldn't pull it off, but it wouldn't be a "masterpiece" in the same sense APSOG is. Who's got Kevin Moore working for them now?! That says something. > >I know it won't be for today because > >the new album is coming but I think > >it could be a great project for the > >future... > No, it wouldn't be a great project, ever. If they did that they'd be copying Fates. DT are too established to do that, though there may have been *some* FW epic influence in ACOS. > >Any comments? > Me?! Comments?! Never!! Only you old-times would get that....... > Debbie, The Panty-Sniffer of the Upper Midwest
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:49 -0700 (MST) From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tubes and pick-ups. Message-ID: <19970710214909.AAA2044@localHost>
Eckie asked:
>And how often does a tube blow in Mesa Boogie products btw? I know >there's a 6 month guarentee...but if I went out and bought one of those >fine amps (no sarcasm here), I wouldn't have any money for replacing >blown tubes. Knowing my luck, the day after my guarentee wears out, >POP....no more sound from my somewhat newly purchased amplifier.
I've been using Boogies for 13 yrs. and never had a tube blow. Generally the tubes last alot longer than 6 mo. Personally I've had'em last 2+ years (don't think I normally wait that long tho). As a matter of fact a rep. at M/B told me last week that some guy w/ a MKIIB had just bought new tubes after 20 yrs. I don't know how often he played but even if he didn't play very often, thats a heck of a long time!
>Oh, this brings me to another guitar question: What pickup (bridge, >preferrably) from whatever company have you ever used that just blew you >away? Vince just slapped a Seymore Duncan Trembucker in his Ibanez and >MAN, that thing just wails (more)! I mean, I'm prolly gonna go out and >get my own trembucker sometime before this summer ends...that thing just >rocks, but if anybody else has ever used something that just pierced yer >ears and made you smile 10 miles wide, I'd be interested in that too.
Just about anything from Seymore Duncan trips my ear drums, but I especially love the George Lynch and the (JB) Jeff Beck models. They do make the Lynch in a Trembucker version too.
See ya,
eD
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:56:48 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytchi Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tori Amos (NDTC) Message-ID: <01BC8D8C.C544F5A0@Scotty.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Glen <GnRBrks@aol.com> asked :
> Just a quick question. > Whats the big deal about Tori Amos?
She's brilliant, beautiful, sexy, a redhead (Itchy LOVES redheads) and a LOT of Dream Theater fans seem to love her music. I'm one of them :-) (just take a look at the "Pieces of Me" page on my site)
I should mention that I became a fan of Tori a year and a half ago after I noticed a lot of posts about her on this list... I got all three of her albums for my birthday (Valentines), and totally fell in love with (her and) her music.
I suggest picking up "Little Earthquakes" as a first purchase, but "Under The Pink" is my personal favourite. "Boys for Pele" is also brilliant, but a bit harder to get into... If you really love what she does on those albums, hunt down some of her older singles. The bsides are sometimes even better !
Or just try to find the following bootlegs :
- Little Rarities - Even More Rarities - Forgotten Earthquakes
I have the last two, and together they contain all of her pre-Pele bsides (except for live versions and remixes, that is).
Mark ____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__ No matter what I say or do, it never looks _ _____ ___ _ _ __ __ like making any difference. Don't focus all |:||_.:._|/:._]|:]_[:|\.\_/./ your anger and resentment that you have. |:| |:| (.:(_ |:___:| \_::/ Don't blame it on me. Don't blame it on me. |_| [_] \___]|_] [_| [__/ _________________________________________________________________________ Itchy's Homepage - http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:17:43 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytchi Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mr. Wee-wee is getting a wee bit too annoying Message-ID: <01BC8D8C.D4E2C320@Scotty.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
> FUCK YOU IMPOSTER!! I AM THE REAL IMPOSTER!!! > STOP TRYING TO BE A LOOSER LIKE ME!!
Mr. Wee-wee... you are in *serious* need of some professional help. Maybe Skadz can 'imposter' your ass *off* the list, because I don't really think we need this kind of shit. Please read my sig. _____
> From: "Jerry Averill" <Jerry_Averill@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM> > Subject: Re: Remove from list > > Remove (jerry.averill@trw.com) from list
Read my sig, or the subscription info you got when you joined. Hey, at least I didn't put that sig together for *nothing* :-) D-Man: You didn't forget to mail this guys seven copies of the FAQ, I hope ?
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:33:19 -0600 (MDT) From: John Cummings <cummings@ee.ualberta.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Amps Message-ID: <199707102202.PAA28909@odin.ax.com>
> Well, even if tube IS louder watt per watt,
That and you can put a LOT more power through tubes than throgh silicon (or GaAs). Hey you never know. Someday you might want to build a 40kW amp to play some DT. You're gonna have to use tubes.
> How often does a solid state blow out? I mean, really...is it worth the > security that you'll never end up like Dave Mustaine and Vic and the > Rattleheads, in the middle of one of your thrashier songs, near the end > solo, and a tube blows?
I think that this has something to do with an underrated tube/bad engineering. I'm sure Dave said something pleasant about that.
Everything in moderation, including moderation. ====-=-==== Jack (John) Cummings == cummings@nyquist.ee.ualebrta.ca ====-=-==== ========== for pgp public key -- finger cummings@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca ==========
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:11:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: More New Song stuff.. Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970710170835.14318A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Thanks to Adam for augmenting my reviews of the new materials. And thanks to everyone who has emailed me about them as well.
To the person asking about Sammy's Nap:
This was a song that JP and Derek played at their clinic in St Louis back in April. It was named because John wrote it while his daughter Sammy was sleeping. It starts and ends with a 'lullaby' type intro/outro, but throught the songs it's filled with solos and fills and runs from both Derek and John. I'm surprised that Sammy slept through it. :)
=20 h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:08:39 +0000 From: ladyheather@juno.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trinity knob?um... Message-ID: <19970710.180841.3582.0.ladyheather@juno.com>
>I noticed at Guitar Center the other day that >the trinity has a knob thing that varies the harmonics of the sound or >something like that, and Derek uses that a lot here to get some cool >sounds.
Actually. Based upon my Trinity and the way that it is generally set up. I would guess that he is most likely either using the ribbon controller...or the up/down portion of the joystick that he uses for pitch bends. The only "knob" on the Trinity is mostly used for flipping through values as an option to use other then the touch screen. -LadyDragon
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:10:08 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: JLMB, Paganini, Primus, Mr. Big Message-ID: <33C55DC0.7DC3@caribe.net>
The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y. wrote: > > > > - Just Let Me Breathe -
> > Heheh, I never heard Steve Miller in there before. Although I did hear > the melody line from Bohemian Rhapsody - "Turn off your mind (?), you > can find all you need with your eyes" = "So you think you can stone me > and spit in my eyes." /me likes :) > yeah... i heard it too.. and /me really dislikes! :)
i hope that part is changed man...everyone i show this too says "oh this sounds like that queen song" ... i mean... thats not half bad..but..they should do something more original
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:14:00 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rumble in the Jungle - DT vs. FW Message-ID: <33C55EA8.3FB1@caribe.net>
Deborah J. Seeger wrote:
> I'm sure you're wrong. You seem to be underestimating FW's talent. I > don't think DT could hold my attention for an hour the way Fates can. > Not that they couldn't pull it off, but it wouldn't be a "masterpiece" in > the same sense APSOG is. Who's got Kevin Moore working for them now?! > That says something.
that really says ...nothing at all.... he worked with them before..even when in dt,and also he didnt even write his keyboard parts..matheos did, so he was in there just to play what matheos already had written
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:36:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Pipe Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Return of The Imposter Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970710153107.64402G-100000@dante12.u.washington.edu>
> From: impostor@wee.wee > > This brings a tear to my eye everytime Kevin's testicles are brought > up. My early work. Yes, I wrote the fake story about Kevin Moore > getting testicle cancer, and I even was so honored to have Bafu write a > snippet about it in one of the Ytse & Jam series.
But you still can't e-mail me 'cause you think I'm gonna rat you out? Tears, indeed...
> Not only that, but there's two more tracks on the disc, 'Silent > Lucidity' from MTV unplugged (sans cool sampling, but a really cool > sounding guitar part to replace that section that's so sample-reliant > (where that chick says "help me")), and also 'The Killing Words', also > from the Unplugged show. Definitely worth the 10 bucks.
1. Visualize your dream. 2. Record it in the present tense. 3. blahblahblahblahblah form. 4. If you persist in your efforts, you can achieve a Dream Come True. 5. HELP ME.
> For anybody wondering who I am, LOOK IN THE FAQ. Next time somebody > e-mails me wondering who I am, I'm just going to send them 12 copies of > the FAQ. I'm in the section about Vindaloo.
Hahahaha he's still taking cracks at Digital Blackbird. ;)
Does anyone know where Mikko Kalermo is? Is he able to receive e-mail?
What exactly is "conformal mapping?"
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:44:14 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New Ivanhoe/CD trade Message-ID: <4A2564D0.007C5E34.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Well firstly I advise anyone to steer clear of CDE, try someone else like Alta Mira or Knights Of The Round table. If you order from CDE by the time you get it Ivanhoe will probably have another album out. I find Ivanhoe to be DT clones, pure and simple, and bad ones at that, I have two of their albums (got them for free) but I wouldn't part with any cash for their CD's.
Graham
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:42:47 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_?= Allaire <sallaire@sie.qc.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rumble in the Jungle - DT vs. FW Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970710184245.0068e5e0@mail.sie.qc.ca>
>No, it wouldn't be a great project, ever. If they did that they'd be
>copying Fates. DT are too established to do that, though there may have
>been *some* FW epic influence in ACOS.
Same time doesn't equal same song...
Steph
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yowza! OOOOH! OOOOOOOH! Message-ID: <970710184145_-1944515228@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Why would anyone who favors Prog Rock/Metal even remotely enjoy or like hearing music by Primus? I mean, it was bad enough RUSH let them play on the Counterparts tour, but I mean, they suck....they really do. Their music is awful, it makes no sense, and is just as much noise as the other alternacrap that is currently the radio norm. To put it bluntly, Primus is a waste of radio play.....why not DT? Is the music industry that afraid of good quality music? Kind of like my friend had put it, "Talent throws people off" *********
Oh, I see. But what do you think of Primus?
********* I think he was on to something with this statement.....alternacrap is shit and people like it.....Prog is quality music with thought and creativity yet people seem to dispise it, except for us underground followers......I hope that one day Prog will have its day on the radio...........imagine, everywhere you tune your radio, a DT song is playing....ah, my dream........... ********* Bottom line is...you're a poser.
1. The fact that you like prog does not make you cool. 2. The fact that you like prog does not mean you have to dislike alternative. 3. The fact that you like prog does not mean alternative sucks. 4. The fact that you like or dislike something does not mean everybody else does/n't
Also...why do you care if DT gets radio play? You have all the CDs. You can listen to them whenever you want. And it's not like nobody's buying DT CD's..they're not broke. Another simple fact is that many many people just don't like Dream Theater. No matter how much you bitch and whine, that won't change their opinion, it'll just piss them off and they'll make fun of you more. My advice to you, and other people like you....sit back and enjoy the music. It is not your mission to change the world's idea of good music, so forget about it.
Baldy
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