YTSEJAM Digest 2750
Today's Topics:
1) Speed Picker and Rycher X
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
2) Enchant Live!
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
3) prog. violins
by fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
4) vinyl haul
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
5) CD recommendations
by Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
6) RE: QR, more guitar stuff...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
7) Re: My thoughts on new FW and DT
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
8) Violins and Prog
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
9) Re: Enchant Live!
by Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
10) Spocks and Enchant recommends
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
11) the 3 questions
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
12) Re: Enchant Live!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
13) Re: how many do you have?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
14) Knights of the Round
by Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhou@rc.gc.ca>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:18:13 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Speed Picker and Rycher X
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970714181813.0074aaa4@pop.enteract.com>
Okay....
I only saw one post that said that Geoff Tate had degraded in vocal
ability, regardless of what I say. Now, I am certain I agree that he can't
hit every note that he did on the first album in exactly the same tone of
voice, but that's from age. You lose range as you get older. His loss is
not very noticable, AND, even if he was only passable at best on the PL
tour, if you didn't see him at the World Music Theater, you really can't
comment on his performance there. I assure you, I am one of the most picky
listeners out there when it comes to vocals. There are enumerous prog bands
with AMAZING music that I can not listen to because of the vocals. I know
when someone is straining, and I know when something is right on. At the QR
show this past weekend, Geoff was right on. Maybe he'll suck when you see
him next, or maybe he sucked last time you saw him... but he didn't suck here!
And I'm curious to see if they'll play Walk in the Shadows at all of
the shows from here on in, or if they bowed to the pressure from the Chicago
Empire to play some oldies. :)
Eric LaRue: I'm not ignoring your message... I'll get you detailed
instructions on how to join the Fan Club(s) within the next couple days.
The Speed Pick
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The Diamond Shaped Pick with the nub at the end = COMPLETELY
RETARDED. :) You have to learn to hold the pick in the most comfortable
manner for YOU, and you have to use different parts of the pick for
different sounds, and more or less of the pick for different emphasis on
different notes. That nub thing may teach you to be perfect and accurate
with the nub tip picks, but what do you do when all you have is a Fender
Xtra Heavy? Shredders: I think anyone that plays fast can agree with this
statement: Don't rely on the pick to play what you need to play. Rely on
the picking motion. If you're only able to play fast with a pick that has a
nub on it or has a particular tensile strength, then you're not developing
your picking... you're developing a handicap.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:33:28 -0700
From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Enchant Live!
Message-ID: <01BC9049.C0E6E120@localhost>
>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:27:01 -0700
>From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
>Ok... here's one for you northern cal people!!
>I was up there this weekend for Enchant... really rocked my nadz...
>signed my Time Lost CD they did... and got to hang out with Matt Guillory
>and Rick Audet, Steve Yanos and other folks... but more on that later...
We went to that show too. Enchant was awesome! We sat right in front of the
guitar player, which turned out to be a great seat, since he was excellent
and fun to watch (since I play, I always like watching other guitarists up
close). The band comes across much heavier than they do on their CD's, and
I'd love to have a tape/disc of them live. I would have hung out afterwards
and talked to the band, but we were very tired. I hope they come back
again, as they were one of the better live acts I've seen in awhile.
Looking forward to Fish/Mastermind at the same club August 25.
DT - Pixel Planet
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:12:14 -0800
From: fini@eci1.ucsb.edu (Paul T. Fini)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: prog. violins
Message-ID: <v01530501aff02887dcdd@[128.111.29.63]>
>> what other prog super bands have violins????
>
>Super, eh? Hmm....
>
>Dixie Dregs -> Southern Jazz/Rock Fusion
>Jean-Luc Ponty -> Great synthesized violin effects
>Gentle Giant -> And probably every other stringed instrument :)
>
>I'm sure there are others...
Yes, namely WOOD, a kick-ass trio that put out an album called "Against the
Grain" a few years back. Violinist Mark Wood puts out some incredible sounds
on his self-made violin, which at times sounds like a tortured guitar, and
at others sounds a bit more like the instrument we know and love. The lyrics
are primarily anti-establishment and mostly rapped by bassist Tom Kaz, and
blend in well with the whole vibe this band puts across. Mark Wood also has
a solo album out entitled "Voodoo Violince" (1991), which I heard when I was
living in Germany but didn't buy due to my status of poor student at the time.
Maybe I should've bought it, since I haven't seen it since then and have a
feeling that it's only available as an import in the U.S.
happy progging...
p.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:36:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: vinyl haul
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970714142718.8590D-100000@gorf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
on de subject on cheap moozak.....
garage sale advertised in newspapre classified (4000 LPs, huge sale!)
so i went....dumb me, didn't believe claim, only had about 10 bucks on
me.....ended up getting 8 albums.....coupla Yes, Coupla genesis (including
nursery cryme, damn fine album, that is).....U2 live at red
rocks.....Jean-luc ponty (i used to play the violin long ago, but damn,
never like this).....and gentle giant's "the missing piece"......
about that last.....ummmm, which one should i get next, or are they all
this cool? (I can't get two weeks in Spain out of my head....the music
anyway, still haven't listened to the lyrics)....and thanks for all the
recs on that band, glad I finally found something by them......
about the 'ryche.....i like hitnf, but perhaps less than their other
offerings....this was brought into focus for me last week (guess it
was last tuesday....."you" came over the radio as i was driving
along....imo one of the better songs on the album, so I turned it up a
bit, humming along, coolness, y'know? And then Empire comes on, and I
totally crank the volume, and I screaming along (can you hear it coming?),
and even more utter coolness....
funny thing, in spite of all that, I don't think I'd rate hitnf at the
bottom of my QR list....for all the great songs that are on Rage for
Order, that album doesn't hang together as a whole for me, and it probably
resides below hitnf in my book......
and that's the way it is in my world today
partha
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:44:16 -0700
From: Dave Thomas <dthomas@best.com>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CD recommendations
Message-ID: <01BC904B.43B343E0@localhost>
>From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
>Subject: Which Enchant album(s) to get?
>I'm getting ready to make some purchases to add to my Cd
>collection (Jason Becker, Spocks Beard, Enchant, etc.).
>Which Enchant album should I check out first? I have a soundclip
>of one tune that is pretty cool. The lyrics are something like
>"There's a man who's been thinking, to himself he's been dreaming,
>how to build a skyscraper to the stars." What is the name of this
>tune and which album does it appear on?
That's part of the first track on "A Blueprint Of The World." I guess you
should get that one first, though it's just as good as "Wounded." I haven't
decided which one I like better.
>While I'm here, which Spocks Beard should I check out? I've heard
>a bunch of clips from them but I think they span more than one
>album. I know that some of them are from Into The Light.
"Into The Light" is incredible. You will not be dissapointed.
>I also have Superior, Lemur Voice, Ivanhoe - what others should
>I look into? I have a tape of Shadow Gallery but was NOT impressed
>with them. Very cheesy to me. What about Stratovarius?
Hmm, well I really like Shadow Gallery, but don't recommend you buy a CD
you don't think you'll like, since they're too expensive. A band that
people might want to check out is Magellan. Their latest CD "Test Of Wills"
is pretty interesting. They're a prog band with some pretty interesting
musical arrangements. Seach the web for some sound clips to get a better
idea.
TIA for any recommendations!
DT - Pixel Planet
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:49:04 -0400
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE: QR, more guitar stuff...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970714184904Z-1717@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Gra wrote...
>Chris Ptacek:
>> Sextuplets at 200BPM? Are you talking 16th note triplets? I'd
>have
>>to hear that before I'd believe it (not to insinuate that you're lying...
>>just that I've never heard anything that fast in all my listening years).
>There's this norweigan guy (Markus Paus) who got in the
>"Guiness Book of Records". He pulls off 460 and some notes per SECOND.
>He uses both hands and all fingers to HO/PO notes ...
>(I have heard him play, but 460 nps ??? In my fastest moments i can do
>25 nps at most (strictly speed picking, no h/p)
>
>Anyhow, at 200 BPM this Markus dude can play 1/128th notes !
My comment on this is simple - you gotta be kidding me! That's insane...
that mysterious Bahr guy (and is that his wife or merely another
personality?) wrote:
>THE BLATANT SPAM (to the tune of The Silent Man)
(Truly odd parody lyrics deleted...)
Been getting some mail from AOL, Mike?
Bafu mumbled something like...
>"Sign of the Times" (by Queensryche) came on the radio one day at my place
>of work. A co-worker turned the volume up on the line "would someone
>please let me know" and began giggling aloud, commenting to another
>co-worker, "Can you say SELLOUT boys and girls? How far away can they get
>from Mindcrime with THIS album?"
>
>So I said to him, "What, you want another Mindcrime?"
>
>So he said to me, "Well YEAH, something better than THIS stuff..."
>
>So I said to him, "Are you a...Queensryche fan, Joe?"
>
>So he (Joe) said to me, "Shit yeah. Since `The Warning.'"
>
>So I said to him, "No. A fan is someone that supports someone else in ANY
>of their pursuits. From The Warning to Rage For Order to Mindcrime to
>Empire to Promised Land to THIS stuff."
>
>So he said to me, "Yeah? And your point is?"
>
>So I said to him, "But then on the other hand there's You. You're not a
>fan of a band, you're a fan of an ALBUM."
In his case, that might be true - but in my case, it's not. Being a fan
of a band doesn't mean you blindly like whatever they do. I mean, I'm a
fan of Mozart (the composer, not the band), but I don't like EVERY piece
of music he wrote. I don't like HitNF, period. It has nothing to do with
wanting another Mindcrime, it has to do with the style of music they
chose to write in, and the fact that they decided to follow the trend,
rather than their own path.
End of rant - this should get Skadz to put HitNF on the "no post, or you
gone" list...
>
The irrepressible Dr. Mosh wrote...
>
>By the same reasoning, "Are they Queensryche??"
>
>NO, because they have abandoned all that Queensryche stood for... progressive
>metal with integrity. What is HitNF??? An attempt to gain mainstream
>acceptance. So why should I support Grungeryche?? I'm not a fan of
>grungeryche but Queensryche... and they are no longer that...
>
>A fan is NOT someone who supports a band no matter what they do... you're
>getting too much into the technicality of it Bafuhead... :)
Well, OK, maybe somebody beat me to the punch here...
Raitz wrote..
>I've been thinking of picking up an electric guitar. I've tried out a
>couple of Ibanezes (an obvious choice for somebody who listens to Vai
>and Dream Theater*, don't you think?) and found that RG has the best
>price/performace ratio. RX just didn't cut it for me -- no whammy and
>no lock. Hm. Anybody confirm or deny it?
Don't do it. I'm about to piss off several people here on ye old 'jam,
but the Ibanez stuff just doesn't hold up, IMNSHO. Buy a better guitar -
and no, I'm not going to say something like a Jackson, even though their
USA ones aren't bad. Godin and Fernandez, for example, make quality
stuff that's in the Ibanez price range, and better made.
(Donning that asbestos suit...)
Hell, I even think Washburn's quality is higher...
(That should start a war...)
>
>Now, I've been reading of pickups on the Jam lately. Some advice
>about them?
Seymour Duncan - my personal bias, and also better for high volume, high
gain playing, because they are potted better than the DiMarzio's, and
are less likely to be microphonic...
Preparing to be cooked...
Mike
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:54:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: My thoughts on new FW and DT
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970714133237.25058A-100000@snowy.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Vincent G. LuPone wrote:
> At 09:38 AM 7/14/97 -0700, Hartman wrote:
> >I should really get a petition together to bring Kevin back into
> >the band. I believe he was the real magic behind I&W's. I'll let
> >you all know when my "Bring Back Kevin in '97" petition is ready. :)
>
> Um, dude, alot of us actually _like_ the heavier, faster attack of Mr.
> Sherinian, and what he's currently bringing to the music. I think this is
> gonna be the best DT album yet, and I can't wait. You can't just wish for
> another I&W. That would eliminate the progress fror DT and they would
> cease to be progressive IMHO. DT just wants to progress HEAVIER!! BUGA
> YEAH!! :)
And a lot of us don't. There seems to be a significant number of Jammers
who equate "heavy" with "good" (I recall a comment somebody made a few
months back to the effect of "The new stuff keeps getting heavier and
heavier...you're going to LOVE it"). I don't have a problem with people
who like their music really heavy - to each his own, and all that. Just
keep in mind that you're speaking to a fairly diverse audience here, and
a lot of us don't necessarily share your views.
Before anybody flames me: I think Awake is a great album. I really do.
But IMHO it's a big step down from I&W, which is the most amazing album
I've ever heard. And I don't think I'm alone in wishing that DT would
make another album or two in the same style. I think that it's an
interesting enough style (and they're a talented enough band) to pull off
a couple more without sounding stale. And I've always thought of
"progressive" more as a style of music than a requirement that each album
sound different than the one before it.
Of course, this discussion is somewhat pointless, because DT is going to
progress in whatever direction they want to go, which is the way it
should be. And I know I'm going to rush out to the CD store on the day
that the new album finally comes out....
Just my $.04 or so....
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:56:51 -0400
From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Violins and Prog
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=bostech%l=CARRIER-970714185651Z-2049@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
> what other prog super bands have violins????
Kansas, which is a MP recommendation to boot. They went through
different periods with different styles and ironically, some of their
most complex and progressive music came during the period that they were
popular (Leftoverture and Point of Know Return). Many odd time
signatures and some brilliant songwriting by Kerry Livgren. And, a
violin player.
They probably sold 10M albums due to the popularity of Carry on Wayward
Son and Dust in the Wind. The public then got blasted with such prog
classics as Miracles out of Nowhere, Magnum Opus, Closet Chronicles and
Hopelessly Human. These CDs should be able to be found in the Nice
Price bin. While each CD normally contains a couple of throwaway songs,
they are definitely worth a listen.
Later,
Mark Metzger
mmetzger@bostech.com
Five Gratutitous CDs: note: NOT CD's - this is not possessive !!
======================
1. Kansas: Point of Know Return
2. Kansas: Leftoverture
3. Kansas: Kansas
4. Kansas: Masque
5. Kansas: Two for the Show
Shit, this is fun. And I dont even own a multi-disk player........
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:59:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <Ytse@cris.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Enchant Live!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970714145356.17403A-100000@mariner.cris.com>
Dave "Anti-social" Thomas wrote:
> We went to that show too. Enchant was awesome! We sat right in front of the
> guitar player, which turned out to be a great seat, since he was excellent
> and fun to watch (since I play, I always like watching other guitarists up
> close).
Thank you for introducing yourself. I guess Mosh and I sporting the
standard Griffin-Ytse-Tee wasn't enough to be noticed by other Jammers.
We were not hiding. :)
Now Playing: Chaos Theory Demo
Rick Audet
Dolby Labs
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:21:59 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Spocks and Enchant recommends
Message-ID: <199707141922.MAA06500@gms.gmsnet.com>
For Spock's Beard... I would say you'd HAVE TO get all of their stuff...
The Light AND Beware of Darkness, you're just not complete by just owning
one of them... and then you HAVE TO buy the live CD, because Spock's
Beard is still one of THE most awesome bands live you will EVER not see
probably... hehehh unless you're me who's seen em live twice already.
For Enchant... Blueprint would be a good start... Wounded is a more
mature album... and the EP of Time Lost is a must get, I talked to the
bassist at the show and he said the stuff off of there is his favorite
stuff....
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:25:18 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the 3 questions Message-ID: <33CA7D1D.112E@ici.net>
> 3) (the kicker) What's the most you've ever spent on a DT CD? (I know I'm > up there on this one, but nowhere near the top. :)
My record thus far is $90 for Subconscious. Needless to say, my SO was *significantly* less than thrilled. :)
and for reference, I only own 1 non-Bahr boot (Dance of Eternity), plus some other non-CD stuff. And the only redundancies are the tape and CD of I&W. (I bought the tape back when I wasn't sure if I was going to like the band or not.:))
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:24:30 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Enchant Live! Message-ID: <199707141924.MAA06537@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Dave Thomas said: >We went to that show too. Enchant was awesome! We sat right in front of the >guitar player, which turned out to be a great seat, since he was excellent >and fun to watch (since I play, I always like watching other guitarists up
Heh, you should've came up and talked to us, we were the "cronies" standing in the back... there was like 6 of us... kinda scary lookin dudes... I was the one with the flash of the camera going off every once in a while... Patt Griffin ytsejam shirt and bigger goatee than Mr. Audet... :)
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@umdnj.edu> Subject: Re: how many do you have? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970714152624.15334A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> Here's the thing......Dream Theater has had 5 "official" > releases as albums (not singles)....WDADU, I&W, LATM, Awake, > and ACoS....... > > The question - how many Dream Theater CDs do *YOU* actually have? > > This includes CD boots, singles (count as one), Mike Bahr's stuff, > and double CDs (count as one)...... > > My personal count is 19, but I know for a fact that people have > much more than that......
well, lesse. i've got 33 DT discs (we're talking promos, bahrisms, and other assorted raraities) and i think only portnoy's got more than i do. :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Barkhouse <rbarkhou@rc.gc.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Knights of the Round Message-ID: <9707141525.aa27196@macdonald.rc.gc.ca>
</LURK>
Hey guys, two questions:
1. I know I heard about Knights of the Round Online CD store on the jam, but can anyone tell me about experience with them, good or bad?
2. They have a sale this month on Stratovarious, and I would really like to try out this band... which of these would you recommend to a Strato-virgin: Fourth Dimension, Dreamspace, or Twilight Time?
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