YTSEJAM Digest 2756
Today's Topics:
1) Mumblings and Jumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
2) Re: Cream of the Crop, No Fair, TI, and No bass on a DT CD? Yeah, right!
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
3) Derek's Ladder, or something
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
4) WDADU
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
5) Re: Kanasa
by wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack)
6) Progressive musician's classified site!!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
7) Re: woah!
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
8) Re: Queensryche concert
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2751
by "Gordon Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
10) NEW Galactic Cowboys' CD out today!!
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
11) Re: Prog egos
by cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert)
12) King's X label signing...
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
13) Rudess Morgenstein Project
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
14) GC/AB/QR
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:16:51 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970715221651.006d4aac@powerup.com.au>
Greetings
Some thoughts:
I'm a big Queensryche fan. I like HitNF. I wouldn't say I love it, I
would in fact say that it is their weakest album to date, which, when you
consider what it's up against, isn't saying much.
Do I hate it? No.
Do I resent Queensryche for the calibre of the album? No.
But even though I think it's their weakest album, I still think it's great.
And I like 'Get A Life'. I'll be buying their next album, and all of
their albums after that.
I don't think of HitNF as a grunge album. I consider it to be a great rock
album. I've never considered Queensryche to be progressive, so I couldn't
care less if they 'regressed' or not. As long as it's pleasing to the ear,
I'm happy.
As I've said before, I probably wouldn't be able to spot progressive music
anyway.
It is their band - they can play whatever music they want to. If they
become a bluegrass band, then that's fine by me. If it sounds great, I'll
buy it.
Well, now it's two non-Queensryche mailing lists that I'm on that are
talking about QR a great deal - this and the Savatage list (which doesn't
have a name yet, to my knowledge, although there is a poll for one - which
I suggested in the first place, although everyone seems to have forgotten
that... hey, I'm not bitter :) ).
Just my thoughts on the whole dang discussion...
***
About the number of DT albums and all that:
I have 6 official DT releases (WDADU, I&W, LatM, A, The Silent Man single,
ACoS).
I have 2 non-Bahr bootlegs (Lords of Sound, Mind Control).
I have no Mike Bahr bootlegs, although I'd love to have some - money orders
are just too damned expensive...
Oh, I also have the Live in Tokyo vid. So far, I haven't heard James
pronounce 'Forever' correctly once when introducing 'To Live Forever'...
(shut up about the harmonies already, D-Man:))
***
About Derek...
The only material I've heard him on apart from ACoS is the Mind Control
boot, and I think he's great, especially all of the jazzy stuff. Amazing.
Oh, he's on Alive III by KISS, but I haven't listened for him on that one...
Well, that's all. Ciao...
Love, Spiff
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:32:07 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cream of the Crop, No Fair, TI, and No bass on a DT CD? Yeah, right!
Message-ID: <33CB6DC7.2F42@caribe.net>
caber1@concentric.net wrote:
> ____
> My thoughts on Myung on WDADU...So you can't hear Myung on that album
> then how about Awake? . Awake, I think he
> got screwed by JP's 7 strings of winy-ness! ;) I can briefy hear JM's
> parts throughout the CD but the only time I actually notice his lines
> are when JP isn't playing(for example the beginning of Scarred).
man..what kind of cd players you guys have?? ..the bass is clear in
awake...maybe the parts when its harder to identify are in CiAW,mirror
and lie,but for the rest of the album its easy to spot,and its very
clearly there...as for I&W, its a little harder..but its still there and
you can hear it clearly...ACos is really bass heavy, with the contrast
of mike's drum..
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur.
The risk to survival is severe."
Ian Malcolm
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:46:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@uvm-gen.emba.uvm.edu>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek's Ladder, or something
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970715083949.19720a-100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2753
>
> Hehehe! He's Bafu! You can't get more self righteous than that
> unless you're Me, Mosh or Merlo!
Oh, shut up and go listen to To Live Forever.
----> From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> > Subject: Will the new album suck? Likely it will NOT. > > Good: Rush "Leave That Thing Alone" > Poor: Rush "Jacob's Ladder"
Good: Mike Bahr making CDs Poor: Mike Bahr making analogies with Rush songs
> LTTA > seems at times to have a life of its own, to transcend mere performed > music and to penetrate the mind and be absorbed into experiences. JL just > has some really long, repetitive sections that could really have been a > hell of a lot shorter and still carry the song.
Stop listening to the Working Man version, put in the Permanent Waves version, give it a *good* listen, and if you still feel the same way, then you and I are two *completely* different types of music listeners.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary & Webmaster cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 05:57:36 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: WDADU Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970715125736Z-18395@ms.Kallback.com>
While I don't think WDADU should be re-recorded and most likely will not be, I definately think it could and should be remastered.
Discuss.
Trevor (Knows jack about amps, not quite as gay as a hoot-n-nanny, pants on backwards, QR fan)
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:04:22 -0500 From: wjwomack@tddeng00.fnts.com (Wade J. Womack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Kanasa Message-ID: <199707151304.IAA02490@tddpd22.tddeng00.fnts.com>
>>Love it. Love them all. Just bought a new live one called Dust in the Wind from the EMI-Capital Live Series for $5.99. Steve's voice is bad, but the band jams.
Also got the tribute cassette. While the bands play all the notes, there is just no feeling to the songs whatsover. ------------------------ Hey, I'm a big Kansas fan, too, but I haven't heard of *either* of these recordings. What is the tribute album called, and where can I find it? I thought that Kansas was probably next-up in the Magna Carta tribute series.
Also, the latest (I think) Kerry Livgren solo effort "When Things Get Electric" is great. It reminds me of "Seeds of Change", minus Dio and Steve Walsh on vox.
Wade
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, voices@arastar.com, progmaestros@arastar.com Subject: Progressive musician's classified site!! Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.970715085908.50728A-100000@acs3.bu.edu>
Want to join a band? Looking for a new drummer? Cruise on over to http://www.channel1.com/users/wacky/pmc/ and find the musician/band to take your music to a new level.
Whoa. That really sounds like spam, doesn't it? Anyway, I created this site a few days ago, and it seems to be working pretty well so far. I know lots of musicians all over the country that want to find players to form a cool prog band with, but it's really hard to find them! Hopefully this will help.
http://www.channel1.com/users/wacky/pmc/
Brian -- /* * User: Brian Wherry, bwherry@bu.edu, bwherry@cs.bu.edu * School: Boston University College of Engineering * Web: http://www.channel1.com/users/wacky/ * http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/ * Quote: "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur." */
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:29:40 PDT From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: szebro1@gl.umbc.edu, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: woah! Message-ID: <199707151329.GAA10976@f74.hotmail.com>
>> Grungeryche? Funny, I thought Queensryche was from Seattle. Kinda hard to >> be accused of imitating something that you yourself started. > >STRONG disagreements, here. Being from Seattle does not a grunge band make. Is Heart grunge? Is Alice In Chains? Is Hendrix? My mom is from seattle. Is she grunge, too?
Actually, I would consider Alice In Chains to be grunge, albeit harder-edged grunge.
How about Kenny G? :-)
>> Compare Alice In Chain's first album to their latest, you'll hear a >> difference. "Facelift" wasn't too far off from every other metal album I >> purchased back then. > >Yeah, and neither was "Dirt," for that matter, and wasn't that released >after the BIG grunge onslaught? > >> Yes I'm aware that HITNF sounds like every other alternative album out >> there. My point is, accusing Queensryche of "turning grunge" is like >> accusing Malmsteen of "buying into the whole neo-classical thing." > >Yeah, but Yngwie was a pioneer of the whole "neoclassical" guitar >movement. I still contend that Queensryche didn't PIONEER grunge. >Yngwie's also still doing the same stuff that he started off doing. >He just progressed and developed in HIS OWN way. I don't think >Queensryche has done that. If you listen to Promised Land, it is obvious that it is the completion of a musical journey. One would be a fool to expect that what is to follow it will sound like what one has heard before. Instead of finding a sound that was at the same time new and distinctly their own, Queensryche chose to mimic. > >Now, you may say that when they FIRST started out they didn't have a sound >all their own <they were a Maiden clone>. However, then they were just >kids. They were, what, 19? 20 years old? Now they have been around and >know who they are. There is no excuse for this lack of originality at >this point in their career.
WOO-HOO! Hear, hear! Hell, if you ask me, the stuff they did on The Warning and Rage for Order is even more original that HitNF!
And a lot more exciting!
>> Don't call yourself >> a "Queensryche fan" if there are huge chunks of their work that repel you >> and make you wish they'd stop making music. From what you told me in real >> life, Mosh, if QR's next album is like HITNF, you aren't going to purchase >> it. Because you don't want to hear more of this shit, because you don't >> like it, > >Right. No problem. > >> i.e. you'll stop being a fan. > >Uh, no. You don't HAVE to be a fan of every single piece in a musician's/ >composer's/etc. body of work in order to be a fan. Someone already >mentioned Mozart. How about Holst? You know The Planets, but have you >ever heard any of his operas? Ugh. Bottom line: he tried something. It >didn't work <at least for me>. That doesn't mean I like "The Planets" any >less. Just because Mosh <or anyone> doesn't like HitNF doesn't mean he >likes The Warning or Promised Land any less.
Yeah, I'll have to agree on this point. I still respect everything from EP to PL greatly, even after enduring HitNF.
Fortunately, I hear they don't do too much of that stuff on the show. :-)
But I also hear they do _nothing_ from Rage. :-(
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:33:48 PDT From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: Madi@tsrcom.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Queensryche concert Message-ID: <199707151333.GAA01942@f18.hotmail.com>
>Hey jammers, > I went to the Queensryche concert on Sat. the 12th at the New World >Theater in Chicago and it just KICKED ASS!!!! It was better than Ozzfest! >Geoff Tate was brilliant and I have never had so much fun in my life without >gettin' drunk. I tell you, if you ever get the chance to go to a >Queensryche concert, GO! The opening band was pretty good as well, a local >Chicago band called "Soma". Well, that's all for now.
That's the first good opening act I've heard about this tour!
Let's hope the Great Woods opening act is at least halfway decent! :-)
Complete with burning guitars, bashed up drum sets and sealed with a kiss,
Eric Paul LaRue
"Take hold of the flame. Don't you see life's a game? So take hold of the flame. You've got nothing to lose, but everything to gain!"
Queensryche-"Take Hold of the Flame"
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6289
"We're on a mission from God."-Blues Brothers
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:47:48 -0400 From: "Gordon Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2751 Message-ID: <199707151355.JAA28619@zork.tiac.net>
>I also fully believe that they will return to >this sound with their next album because with HitNF they conciously tried >to stay away from their sound, which is not trendy, to a sound that is >trendy. >****** >I wanna know one thing. How in a bloody fuck do you KNOW for a FACT that they >CONSCIOUSLY tried to be trendy? Did they EVER say anywhere that "Well, sorry >guys. We were trying to be trendy." I don't think so. You can't go around >spurting (huhuh) out false assumptions like that just because you refuse to >believe that maybe a band changed their sound for no other reason than...THEY >WANTED TO.
I've heard this argument from Metallica fans, Queensryche fans, and even Megadeth fans back when CtE was considered a sell-out. Look at the numbers here. Conveniently, these bands just happened to have a sudden affection for what happened to be popular at the time. Hmmm, I wonder why Metallica and Queensryche didn't decide they liked to go a route more like death metal, or a prog rock route, or big band jazz, or acid rock, or whatever fuckin else they could have "evolved" into. I'm sick of everybody telling me these bands are just evolving when all they ever do is "evolve" into what is currently popular! How convenient for album sales! This is why Hero of the Day sounds like the Smashing Pumpkins and Sign of the Times is right out of Everclear's latest album. Flame away.
> >I find it strange that many of the disgruntled Queensryche fans who have > >replied to my post have used the word "force." Who said anything about > >forcing anyone to listen to anything? The choice is completely yours.
Yeah, but according to you we're not "fans" of the band if we don't like the latest album. I like to consider myself a Queensryche fan but I don't like the latest album, so I guess I'm not. I better start listening to HitNF if I want to consider myself a fan. Oh, and I do plan on going to the Queensryche show in the near future, will I be a fan if I go there?
Adam
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:58:52 +0000 From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com> Subject: NEW Galactic Cowboys' CD out today!! Message-ID: <33CB49DC.29DD@erinet.com>
The NEW Galactic Cowboys album is out today!!! Metal Blade Records
"The Horse That Bud Bought"...along the lines of Machine Fish- musically...yet more harmonized vocals present.
If you get it soon, post your reviews of it...I've had it for over a month, but I'm curious as to what people's initial reactions to it are...
Later, Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm Summer 1997 Update site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/ ---+ +---
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm Summer 1997 Update site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/ ---+ +---
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:25:03 -0500 From: cmustard@vonl.com (Mark Lampert) To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Prog egos Message-ID: <19970715142014755.AAA196@cmustard.vonl.com>
Ahoy,
Ben Laussade wrote:
>Misquote! Misquote! I would NEVER use the word "pretentious". Also....the >Spice Girls don't come off to me as egotistical bastards, the way a lot of >prog bands do.
If I was in a prog band like DT, I would have such a large ego it would make you sick. Lots of "bands today" are still shooting for that Kurt Cobain "I'm miserable" attitude. Remember in the eighties, those Iron Maiden concerts? Have you seen the stage setups?! It takes pride in your own band to put on a good show, not to come out on stage and wimper. I'd much rather see a band have a god complex and put out better writing and performance (not that this guarantees this, before you jump all over me) than a band that says things like, "Well, our goal was never about being famous." If you don't want fame, don't sign any contracts. And for the sake of the gods of war, all you Marylin Manson/NIN/black hair/black fingernails/I hate school losers, - cheer up!- . Sometimes a little ego does well.
· • Colonel Mustard • ·
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:29:15 -0400 (EDT) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X label signing... Message-ID: <v01520d00aff0ffd2be85@[207.90.116.143]>
>News: >Well, I just heard that King's X signed a three album deal >with Metal Blade Records.
i ant to know where people are hearing this. some guy on usenet said he heard from Ty, but Ty hasn't posted proof on usenet or the webpage yet...
>Opinion: >This is good and bad. First the good. They will probably put out more >records with complete artistic freedom. They will probably tour with >other cool MB label-mates like Galactic Cowboys and Fates Warning, etc.
it's good because KX will be able to put out albums when they want to. look at GC, they've had 2 albums and an EP in a year and a half. and they've got about 10 more songs in the wings...
as for touring, i hope this wouldn't happen. i kinda want to see GC out with someone else...nothing against KX or MBR acts, but it's not helping business when a notwellknown act goes out with a band on tour whose fans already like you. your fanbase is the same...
>Bad: little or no chance for commercial break-through. Poor availibility. >Poor promotion.
and the difference between this and atlantic is...? ;) actualy, maybe KX will help get some money flowing in MBR...
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - mailto:dantemm@erinet.com "Home of the Galactic Cowboys Pages" http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm Summer 1997 Update site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/1853/ ---+ +---
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:23:02 -0400 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rudess Morgenstein Project Message-ID: <199707151425.KAA29876@zork.tiac.net>
Yo maggots,
I went to the Rudess/Morgenstein clinic/show at Berklee yesterday and these guys rock some serious nads. To be more descriptive, they totally kick ass. This got me thinking...wasn't Jordan Rudess the guy who filled in for DT at the very beginning of the Awake tour before they found Derek?? If so, why the fuck didn't they keep him?!?! This guy is nuts! Also, he does it all on one keyboard, not 3 or 4 like all those other wankers use. I can't explain his virtuosity, just buy the cd and you'll hear a performance that is about 1/10th as good as it is in concert. No offense to Derek, but I just can't begin to imagine how good and progressive DT would be with Joran Rudess in the band. Oh and Rod Morgenstein rules too, and he plays on a kit about 1/3 of the size of MP's. Now that I've heard him I'll never think about Winger in the same way again. Sabian sponsered the show and they were giving out catalogs at the entrance. I picked one up (even though I don't play drums) and noticed that it had an artists section with MP. They showed the symbol setups and MP has 20! It's crazy, he even has this big sheet of metal thing behind him that I guess he just whacks once and a while for his own pleasure. Well that's enough DTC for today, I don't want to spoil you people.
Adam
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: GC/AB/QR Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970715102713.4026F-100000@bdmserver>
Is the new Galactic Cowboy's cd out yet? Anyone heard it? I thought it was supposed to be out sometime in July.
On a side note since Al Balkiewicz is looking to get the DOE cds for 60$. I would advise against anyone from making any transactions with Al. He is much too busy buying cds and traveling around and doing whatever people like him do to follow through on any deals he makes. And for the record I've been waiting over 3 years for him to follow through. There is no need to clutter the jam or my mailbox with messages saying give it a rest since I wont write again about mr ripoff unless there is a need.
Anyone have a current setlist for the QR tour?
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