YTSEJAM Digest 2755
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The DS attack! : )
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
2) Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
by Laussade@aol.com
3) Paradise Lost - One Second
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
4) Derek is here - long live Derek!
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
5) Paradise Lost - One Second
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
6) Heavy stuff.
by Laussade@aol.com
7) Assorted NDTC mumblings...
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi>
8) Re: Heavy stuff.
by eckie@asu.edu
9) kansas and violinists NDTC
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
10) Knights of the Round CD ordering company...
by JE78674@ltu.edu
11) Tage List
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
12) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2753
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
13) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2754
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 01:34:12 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The DS attack! : )
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970715013308.0080b100@postoffice.syspac.com>
>3. After 4+ albums, it's time for the big time, they had 1 big hit "Pull me
>Under" which was the only "Marketable" song on I&W. Awake sold to only
>prog & DT fans, it didn't pick up anyone because there were no "hits".
>Sure, all of DT's work is the shit here, but it isn't on the billboard
>chart. Heavy sells. Strickly prog doesn't. We'll just have to see what
>the new album brings to the charts (we'll also have to see how much
>promotion DT gets from the label, that could make or break this disc)
> That's my .05 lata, J
>
Um, where did you get the idea tha "heavy sells"?! Plantera's last album
didn't even go platinum, Mustaine from Megadeth has talked about being
humbled to 5,000- seat amphitheaters (instead of 20,000 seat arenas),
Anthrax was released from their record label, DT has been pressured to sell
out by Elecktra (obviously), Queensryche's shit finally hit the fan, and
the rest of metal has gone underground. Where the hell did you get the
idea that heavy sells?! Alternative is the buzz word, not metal, heavy,
hard rock, or whatever other pigeon-hole name you can give it.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 05:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Laussade@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Message-ID: <970715050021_1691175045@emout05.mail.aol.com>
Empirical evidence of man's greed has proven time again that Fame = selling
out in the music industry, but we may live in different universes...
yes... it's much better than the
feeling of "WHO CARES IF THEY SELL OUT, THEY'LL GET MY MONEY IF
THEY SOUND LIKE SPICE GIRLS"
********
I think you have that backwards. Fame doesn't equal selling out. Selling out
(if you do it right) equals fame. And yes, they will get my money if they
sound (and look---extra bonus) like the Spice Girls. MMMHMM! FINGER SUCKIN'
GOOD!
********
You yourself already said more than once that all those "pretentious prog
bands
all sound the same"...
********
Misquote! Misquote! I would NEVER use the word "pretentious". Also....the
Spice Girls don't come off to me as egotistical bastards, the way a lot of
prog bands do.
******
Stay on the other side of the fence if you don't want to put on your pants.
******
huhuhuuhuuh. you didn't say anything that could be misconstrued as a sexual
innuendo. huhuhuhuh.
Headan, the Hanna-Barbarian
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 11:01:32 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Paradise Lost - One Second
Message-ID: <9707150901.AA00297@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
I promised to send a review of the new Paradise Lost album as soon as I'd got
it and heard it a few times, so here it is. Get your money ready and pay the man
at the till.
Paradise Lost - One Second
Where do you begin when you want to describe something that defies description?
I thought I knew about Paradise Lost, the dark gothic metal, the driving rhythm
guitar of Aaron Aedy, Nick Holmes' grunting vocals, the long hair being waved
around during head banging. I was wrong. This album proved me wrong. Let's start
with what some people might call the 'image'. Nick and Aaron now both have short
hair, although Aaron looks like a Mafia debt collector. I can already hear the
first cries of 'sell out - another Metallica'. To you I say "fuck off, you
couldn't be more wrong".
Let's get to the music. This album isn't a continuation of the band's musical
direction since 'Icon'. This album represents a break with the past, it is
completely different, yet somehow still very clearly Paradise Lost. The first
thing that you hear is that Nick Holmes has finished learning to sing. Compared
with his early efforts the transformation can be compared with the caterpillar
and the butterfly. Aaron Aedy's grinding rhythm guitar is also gone only to
be replaced by a whole rainbow of multi-layered guitar sounds that remind me
of the Edge. The sequencers and samples, however, are new, which gives the album
a definite Sisters-Of-Mercy feel. At times the music even sounds a bit like
Depeche Mode in their better days. If you have problems with that, just take a
listen to songs like 'One Second' and 'Just Say Words' and the problems will
vanish. The songs are still dark, heavy and just a little menacing. When you
think you know where a song is going, along comes Greg Mackintosh with a
wonderful distorted guitar solo that drives your speakers to the limit and
redefines the boundaries of what gothic music can be. To put it simply, this
is one of the most refreshing, innovative albums I've heard this year.
Metal? Possibly. Gothic? Certainly. One of the most significant releases of the
year? Definitely. Paradise Lost? More like Paradise Found. 10/10
So, what else? Praise where praise is due department - Bafu's excellent posts
concerning Queensryche.
Isn't there a list or news group where all you guitar freaks can go to discuss
pick ups, picking techniques, who's the fastest, amps, etc? I'm sure you all
find it very interesting (otherwise you wouldn't be writing it, would you?),
but for me, and possibly others, it's about as interesting as watching paint
dry.
Ben "Mr. No Pants" Laussade: don't whip out that prehensile dong of yours in
the supermarket, othewise you might find it trying to stuff bananas up your
arse.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Paradise Lost - One Second
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 04:21:57 -0500
From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Derek is here - long live Derek!
Message-ID: <33CB4135.10D7@auburn.net>
Ben "Ball Control" Laussade wrote:
> Don't you guys (the ones who complain about Derek) realize that if Derek had
> been the original keyboardist in Dream Theater, and recently left and was
> replaced by Kevin...that you would be bashing Kevin and saying you want Derek
> back? Your saying "DS just isn't as good" is a pile of bullshit. That has
> nothing to do with it. KevMo's gone, Derek is here. Deal with it.
'Nuff said. Except that I'd like to back this up with a little story. I
had the pleasure to speak with Derek after the Birch Hill Fix show last
December. Not only did he completely abuse his Korg Trinity for over 2
hours, he impressed me with his personability. That's never been done
before. He talked to me (not just me, but I was in a group of very few
people) for several minutes, then when he discovered that I (we?) was on
the 'jam, he proceeded to trumpet a few sentences that he requested we
post to the list as a direct quote from him.
Now, I've never seen this stuff printed here, and I'm not gonna do it
now, because that's not my point. My point is that DS is the perfect
person at this time to be the keyboard player for DT. Why? His playing
is unbelievable, yet the stuff he told me (us?) got his point of view
across loud and clear. He showed a tremendous sense of humor, which
doubles one's worth as a person, IMO, when he spoke those heinous words
that would have caused a major stir (and would have baited all of the
Kevin-ites on here) had someone posted them.
Bottom line - if Derek couldn't play his way out of a paper sack he'd
still be the kind of person you'd like to hang out with in your spare
time. But he can burn play a motherfucker. If you don't think so, well,
tell me why, and I'll be glad to hear you out. And this is the real
world, folks - no magic allowed. The only thing better than a great
musician is a great comedian. And if you can find both wrapped up in
one, well, I guess that'd be like meeting a nymphomaniac that owns a
liquor store.
I just hope that, if he reads this, he doesn't think that I wasn't
taking him seriously. I was, I was just doing it with the proverbial
grain of salt. And yes, he'd remember me, because I think I was the only
fuckhead there stupid enough to drive from near Mobile, Alabama, to Old
Bridge, New Jersey, just to see a concert.
BTW, if anyone can decipher the lyrics after "Under Peruvian skies...",
please tell me what they are.
Take it easy, no matter what the little imposter bitch pee@pee.cumsucker
nutjockey might tell you to do,
Mark Peters
swifty@auburn.net
-- *********************************************************************** * Mark Peters -- swifty@auburn.net -- Auburn University, Class of '99 * * Ytsejammer, tape trader at http://www.auburn.net/~swifty/index.html * ***********************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:21:19 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Paradise Lost - One Second Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0715092119-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Paradise Lost - One Second
It was released yesterday in the UK, so I've only had a chance to listen to it a couple of times . . . and it's a killer!
They're branching out, using synths and samplers occasionally, etc, but the crunch and power are still their, as is the great songwriting. The vocal melodies are incredibly catchy . . . lots of singalong potential.
Mean lyrics too, although I can't remember any of them offhand.
Great album, definitely worth the wait.
Oh, there's even a song called "Another Day", which has a great deal more balls'n'chunk than our own beloved song of the same name.
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 05:32:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Heavy stuff. Message-ID: <970715053200_1511641484@emout20.mail.aol.com>
Where the hell did you get the idea that heavy sells?! Alternative is the buzz word, not metal, heavy, hard rock, or whatever other pigeon-hole name you can give it. ******* KoRn for one. Whether you like KoRn or not, you can't deny that they're heavy. 311 is moderately heavy..crunchier guitars than most bands. Soundgarden (RIP) was very close to metal...T00L is heavy. Heavy is getting more popular...bands like Coal Chamber are on the rise. Marilyn Manson, NIN and White Zombie are all quite popular. Heavy's comin' ta getcha, so watch out :)
Crushing Metal Ben!!!!!!
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Date: 15 Jul 97 12:44:13 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaliitto.fi> To: Ytse Jam (Dream Theater Mailing List) <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Assorted NDTC mumblings... Message-ID: <002197850200000101003B4555042E@mlespser1001.metsaliitto.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Ernie Schnack gave us some...
>words of the wise >---- >I'm gonna get a little philosophical here...ok, music, ya see, is a very >powerful thing. It can make you cry, it can make you laugh, turn you on, >make you jump around like a raving idiot, etc... and it's not only a >creation of human beings. It is also the creation of the circumstances and >environment under which it was built. So you can't be a fan of a musician, >unless you are inspired by their personality or looks... you are a fan of<<<
Our music sings us to be.
>Ben, the Man With The Prehensile Penis.
What's that? A pencil for penis?
>Headric Testicles
..gawd. Ben has finally gotten over his latent period. Girls, BEWARE!
Mike Bahr: >Good: Dream Theater "Take The Time" >Poor: Dream Theater "Afterlife"
Nooooooot true! it's more like
>Great: Dream Theater "Take The Time" >Good: Dream Theater "Afterlife"
Besides, I refuse to overanalyse music.
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 03:16:16 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Heavy stuff. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970715030707.8928A-100000@general5.asu.edu>
PuLEASE,
Jewel has crunchier guitars than 311. :P How many times have you heard the word "alternative" in mainstream press in regards to music as opposed to "metal" or even rarer, "progressive"? The one thing about being a not-so-household name band in this day 'n age is that you have a much less likely chance of walking into a store or building of whatever usage and hear a techno or ska rendition of one of your songs! I'm all for new experiences 'n what not, but every damned techno remix of Metallica and pop renditions of Black Sabbath just make me sick to my stomach!
It's who ya know, knowing who's ass to kiss, 'n knowing what people want to hear you say/sing/fart that makes you a megastar in entertainment. Look at Tom Arnold. If it was all a matter of taste, it wouldn't make any sense...you'd be takin' the business out of the Music Business. 'N I don't think I should even mention the Spice Girls' success as an example, should I?
Falling Into Insanity ~Eckie
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 03:45:00 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: kansas and violinists NDTC Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970715104500Z-18363@ms.Kallback.com>
>In the CD player : "Freaks of Nature" - Kansas (anyone else like this >album?)
Love it. Love them all. Just bought a new live one called Dust in the Wind from the EMI-Capital Live Series for $5.99. Steve's voice is bad, but the band jams.
Also got the tribute cassette. While the bands play all the notes, there is just no feeling to the songs whatsover.
For more violin prog try Mathmaticians, Boud Deun, Thanks to Gravity and, of course Dixie Dregs.
-trevor
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: JE78674@ltu.edu To: YTSEJAM@ax.com Subject: Knights of the Round CD ordering company... Message-ID: <01IL8HPTY6UQ8Y5N9T@LTU.EDU>
Hey guys, I sent an order to Knights of the Round for two copies of Superior's CD.....just curious if anyone else here ordered from them before and if they are reliable....hope so, I'd hate to be scammed...
Take care,
Jeff E.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 04:16:20 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tage List Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-970715111620Z-18370@ms.Kallback.com>
>I tried to subscribe to the Savatage mailing list. But it came back >saying that it hopped too many time(21 out of a 20 max). Anyone else >have this problem? Or does anyone know what the heck is a "hop' please >email me. Thanks.
I couldn't get on it either. It said something like "Didn't recognize" something or other. I forget.
-trevor >
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:28:13 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2753 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970715112813Z-1999@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Steve Z. spake:
>Grunge would like to >think it was influenced by things that you never heard of because you were >too busy going to frat parties and beating up "nerds." I hope, Bafu, that >you were joking, too, in your paragraph about the grunge >generation-skipping thing.>
I, for one, am rather sick of the attitude of the "grunge/90's metal" movement, where it's cool to say you hated Maiden, QR, etc., but listened to Poison because you were young and dumb. I see this a lot, and as someone who hated the late 80's / early 90's "we're power pop bands, but we're heavy metal because MTV says we are" stuff (in general, there are certain bands from that period I like), this attitude offends me. If anyone wants to talk about underground, I remember when the only way I could hear Megadeth at all was to trade someone for a copy of the demo. Now, to get your "underground" credentials, all you have to do is walk into Tower and look in the "what's new" section.
Marketing, my friends - the record companies finally realized what gave Metal some of it's appeal to teenagers/college kids: True metal was (and is) a somewhat exclusive club - you have to go out of your way to be in it. The labels have marketed the current "hard music" trend so that it SEEMS like the same thing, but it really isn't.
Okay, my spleen feels better now - sorry, that kind of got away from me... > >> Compare Alice In Chain's first album to their latest, you'll hear a >> difference. "Facelift" wasn't too far off from every other metal album I >> purchased back then. > >Yeah, and neither was "Dirt," for that matter, and wasn't that released >after the BIG grunge onslaught?
Humorously enough, these WERE both classified as "Heavy Metal" albums, as were Soundgarden, until the Nirvana thing made grunge take off. > >> Yes I'm aware that HITNF sounds like every other alternative album out >> there. My point is, accusing Queensryche of "turning grunge" is like >> accusing Malmsteen of "buying into the whole neo-classical thing." > >Yeah, but Yngwie was a pioneer of the whole "neoclassical" guitar >movement. I still contend that Queensryche didn't PIONEER grunge. >Yngwie's also still doing the same stuff that he started off doing. >He just progressed and developed in HIS OWN way. I don't think >Queensryche has done that. If you listen to Promised Land, it is obvious >that it is the completion of a musical journey. One would be a fool to >expect that what is to follow it will sound like what one has heard >before. Instead of finding a sound that was at the same time new and >distinctly their own, Queensryche chose to mimic.
Gotta go with Steve here - my feelings on this are well known. >
Kevin "The Monkey's Off My Back" Madden wrote...
>News: >Well, I just heard that King's X signed a three album deal >with Metal Blade Records. > >Opinion: >This is good and bad. First the good. They will probably put out more >records with complete artistic freedom. They will probably tour with >other cool MB label-mates like Galactic Cowboys and Fates Warning, etc. >Bad: little or no chance for commercial break-through. Poor availibility. >Poor promotion.
Probably a lower level of production, as well. This is hard rock/metal in the late 90's, guys - the good bands are running scared, and unable to keep their major deals, because of the public's fascination with "groove" and "image" rather the "melody" and "talent".
Wow, you'd never guess I came in way early this morning, would you? Maybe more coffee... :)
Roger mumbled... > > Oh, I don't have "My Kantele", but I have "Elegy" that contains >both versions of "My Kantele" and it is one of my best CD's... Really nice >one... I wonder how "Tales from the Thousand Lakes" sound... I fear that >I'll buy this CD and find crappy lyrics, crappy drums, crappy guitars >etc...
The music is actually pretty cool, and the lyrics are traditional folklore, but the production, ahem, leaves something to be desired.
Issac scribbled... > >With all this talk about tube and solid-state amps, one amp has been >neglected. Technically it's a solid state amp, but it is the next best thing >to a Mesa Boogie. It is the Line 6 2x12 combo. And it is less than half the >price. I have tried this amp out and it sparkles. It can accurately emulate >hundreds of different sounds from the 5150 to a Marshall to a Fender Bassman >to a Mesa. It's no tube amp, but it is an awesome sounding combo amp for >~$700. Alright what do the gear gods, Chris P and others, think of the Line >6?
Man, that thing is eerie. It uses waveform modeling (like the Roland VG-8) to emulate the sound of practically every decent guitar amp ever made (notice the absence of Crate patches! :) ), and does a damn good job of it. It has no originality to it's sound, but that's not the point. Oh, and the wah sounds exactly like a Dunlop pedal!
Ptacek grumbled...
>mean you're not open minded. That means you HAVE A MIND. If everyone had >to approve of their favorite band's decisions and support their actions, >then all Nirvana fans would be dead. Hmm... come to think about it... >that's not such a bad idea......
It ...is a terrible thing to lose ones mind... or .... not to have a mind... :) A local band in my parts does a song called "Faceless In Seattle". It sounds like you might appreciate it.... Mike
>Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive, but looking for coffee... >http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:53:06 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2754 Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970715115306Z-2051@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Mike "I swear, the CD's on it's way" Bahr wrote...
>Good: Rush "Leave That Thing Alone" >Poor: Rush "Jacob's Ladder"
OK, Mike, you had me with you before and after this, but I LIKE "Jacob's Ladder", and I think it's held up well. I see your point, though. Again, music is wonderful for this very reason - when done properly, it connects on a personal level, and you develop your own opinions. If you're capable of it, that is. :) > > Hope I've given everyone some decent food for thought here.
Yes, but right now I would rather have some coffee for thought...
Doc Mosh submitted...
>yes... it's much better than the >feeling of "WHO CARES IF THEY SELL OUT, THEY'LL GET MY MONEY IF >THEY SOUND LIKE SPICE GIRLS"
Well, if they looked like Spice Girls, then maybe I'd become a groupie. :) I find myself watching SG videos while listening to T - Ride, and it works pretty well... > Korg boy chattered...
>I totally agree. The band makes the decision what they want to >write/record/play, not the fans. Personally, I can't WAIT until the new DT >comes out. I'm just gonna refer back to this when people start going, >"Wah! I don't like this! Wah! This sucks! Wah! They sold out!" >(rubbing hands anxiously)
Actually, I liked the stuff I heard at the "Fix" show I went to - let's hope the producer doesn't f@@k it up. Then again, if he does, I can blame the "sell out" on him! :) > >Hi, I'm Korg, and I like Hear in the Now Frontier. I can't help it, I just >like washed up, sell-out bands. You got a fookin' problem with that? >(Shoving head farther up ass...)
You said it, not I... ><rant> Is it me, though, or is it when you try out ANY guitar at ANY store >they always hook you up to the shittiest possible amp? You would think >they'd want it to sound good so you'd want to buy it but no, they hook you >up to that twead suitcase with a speaker that is all thick sounding and has >the distortion of a Kirby electric vacuum cleaner. Nothing that mankind >could possible ever invent could ever fix one those thing (except maybe a >shotgun). </rant>
It's the metal thing - they expect to sit down and play "Sweet Child O'Mine". I've unplugged myself from the Peavey that they thought would be safe and said "No, let's try that VHT over there, since I actually want to HEAR the GUITAR, and not some crappy simulation of tube distortion." It usually works. Sometimes I do play "Smoke On The Water", just to watch them grit their teeth - then I play the "Highway Star" solo, and they go away. > Bafu "Bag" Vai said wonderingly...
>in case someone imagines that I'm "pretentious" for refraining, I'd like >you to know that I'm sitting here scratching my head.
So how is the ol' scalp there? And the bigger question - Are you wearing pants?
Mike
Division - DC Power/prog metal is alive and well, and hoping the entire >'jam comes to Fates in VA >http://www.crosslink.net/~division or human email division@aol.com
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