YTSEJAM Digest 2754
Today's Topics:
1) hypocrites and that powerful force known as music
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
2) Hee.
by Laussade@aol.com
3) HitNF
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2753
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
5) Re: Hee.
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) VEGAS & stuff
by "Randy Shewey" <randyshewey@msn.com>
7) KevMo
by Laussade@aol.com
8) KevMo/Derek
by Laussade@aol.com
9) Wh-h-h-hoa.
by Laussade@aol.com
10) Will the new album suck? Likely it will NOT.
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
11) Re: Hee.
by Laussade@aol.com
12) Re: VEGAS & stuff
by Laussade@aol.com
13) Re: KevMo
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
14) How far can one's head go????
by "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
15) Queensrychebowl XIV
by "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:40:43 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: hypocrites and that powerful force known as music
Message-ID: <19970715034158.AAA23751@sni.pananet.com>
>> Chris Merlo is a hypocrite. See below.
>
> We're ALL hypocrites. I HATE hypocrites but even I AM one, every now
which proves my theory: opinions are not like assholes, they are like
nipples.... everybody has two of them :P
except, of course, the three breasted whore from Beta 6 (or something like
that... cant find the damn book!)
>> Yeah...like...VISUAL MUSIC! MOOOOOOWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
>
>/me cracks his knuckles...
ya know, I feel like i missed something... was that visual music stuff,
like, funny?
>Whew. I was wondering about that. I'm glad that they really didn't put
>much effort into it, because it certainly shows. I was just talking to a
>friend who also loves Queensryche, and she and I agree that if the 'ryche
>is going to do another album like this we wish they'd just break up and
>leave us all with happy memories.
ya know, you're forgetting all the ppl who actually like that album (yes,
there are those)..and those who have become fans with that album (yes it
can happen)
>So I said to him, "But then on the other hand there's You. You're not a
>fan of a band, you're a fan of an ALBUM."
words of the wise
---- I'm gonna get a little philosophical here...ok, music, ya see, is a very powerful thing. It can make you cry, it can make you laugh, turn you on, make you jump around like a raving idiot, etc... and it's not only a creation of human beings. It is also the creation of the circumstances and environment under which it was built. So you can't be a fan of a musician, unless you are inspired by their personality or looks... you are a fan of the MUSIC. Most 'QR fans' on this list are fans of the music that came out through the 5 humans collectively known as Queensryche at that point in their lives, and was named 'Operation:Mindcrime'. Now a lot of musicians in the past (including Coltrane and Santana) see this as music being some spiritual force channeling through us...but Im not much of a spiritual guy, so I don't get into it so deeply, but I think you get my drift."All you know about me is what I sold ya, dumb fuck I sold out long before you even heard my name, I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit, and then you bought one"----music known as "Hooker with a Penis" performed by those 4 geeks known as Tool.
a love supreme
a love supreme
a love supreme
a love supreme
what a fookin' kick-ass album
see you auntie, Ernie
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Hee. Message-ID: <970715004813_-1057462636@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Anyone that's been here more than 2 months knows NOT TO TRUST AL IN TAPE OR CD TRADES!!! Just ask Pat. ****** Geez. Am I the only one that just thinks it's funny that Pat STILL hasn't gotten his tapes? It's hilarious. In fact, I just urinated in my pants. HA!
And I can back it up, because I have a perfect trading record. Right YtseJim? :)
The Head...The Head...The Head is on fiyah.....
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:12:26 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: HitNF Message-ID: <19970715041128.AAA24360@sni.pananet.com>
: Queensryche has done that. If you listen to Promised Land, it is obvious : that it is the completion of a musical journey. One would be a fool to : expect that what is to follow it will sound like what one has heard : before. Instead of finding a sound that was at the same time new and : distinctly their own, Queensryche chose to mimic.
I dont see HitNF as a mimic... it has a slight grunge influence, and the production is very dry.... but the lyrics are still great, and Geoff still sounds like Geoff... it still sounds like QR to me. And besides, HitNF is pretty much what I was expecting. After listening to PL, I thought: "Great CD, but these guys are gonna have to rock out on their next CD, or they'll become wussy"
A week b4 HitNF comes out, I hear on an Interview w/ Tate and DeGarmo: "All we wanted to do for this album is simply rock out"
what do you know.
My prediction... on their next CD, they'll probably mantain the edge they've got on this one, but take a little more time on it... make it little more complex in that QR way of things.
.and I happen to like 'Get a Life', Ernie
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:14:55 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2753 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970715051455.00bb4e00@pop.enteract.com>
>> It is what it is. I don't make truth, I just argue it. > >Woah! How self-righteous are you? :)
Hehehe! He's Bafu! You can't get more self righteous than that unless you're Me, Mosh or Merlo!
>From: Davidjon Sabetai <DAVIDJON@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> >Subject: Amps
>With all this talk about tube and solid-state amps, one amp has been >neglected. Technically it's a solid state amp, but it is the next best thing >to a Mesa Boogie. It is the Line 6 2x12 combo. And it is less than half the >price. I have tried this amp out and it sparkles. It can accurately emulate >hundreds of different sounds from the 5150 to a Marshall to a Fender Bassman >to a Mesa. It's no tube amp, but it is an awesome sounding combo amp for >~$700. Alright what do the gear gods, Chris P and others, think of the Line 6?
Ugh! I'll admit, I don't tweak amps well, but of all the amps it claims to be able to emulate, i was only able to emulate the ones it doesn't talk about: Crate, Pignose, Gorilla, and Fender 10 watters! I think this is one field at which i will be deemed an unsuitable judge... anything with that many buttons and knobs that doesn't control effects is just wrongful. :)
>From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> >Subject: Bring Kevin back?!?!
>A petition to bring Kevin back? >Um, Kevin CHOSE to leave. He wasn't kicked out. He wasn't pressured to >leave. What good would a petition do?
Finally someone gets it.
>From: Mari <Madi@tsrcom.com> >Subject: Queensryche concert
>Hey jammers, > I went to the Queensryche concert on Sat. the 12th at the New World >Theater in Chicago and it just KICKED ASS!!!! It was better than Ozzfest! >Geoff Tate was brilliant and I have never had so much fun in my life without >gettin' drunk. I tell you, if you ever get the chance to go to a >Queensryche concert, GO! The opening band was pretty good as well, a local >Chicago band called "Soma". Well, that's all for now.
ANOTHER person who needs a Ytsejam shirt! Okay, I know you don't want to meet ME, but i want to see how many jammmers I can spot. Makes opening acts more fun. :)
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG. They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground on which idea seeds fall." - Michael Hedges
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:15:26 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hee. Message-ID: <199707150515.WAA12459@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Laussade@aol.com said: >Geez. Am I the only one that just thinks it's funny that Pat STILL hasn't >gotten his tapes? It's hilarious. In fact, I just urinated in my pants. HA!
YOu FUCKING LIAR!!! You don't wear pants...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 03:50:16 UT From: "Randy Shewey" <randyshewey@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: VEGAS & stuff Message-ID: <UPMAIL16.199707150548580125@msn.com>
hey jammies, headin' out to Vegas on wednesday any jammers in the area know any good music stores around that I can raid , or possibly meet some other jammers ? The # of DT cd's I currently own is 13 & 2 vid's with 5 more cd's & 1 more vid on the way, I've only been on the jam a couple of months & most of these I could'nt have found had it not been for ye jammers, my now depleated bank acct. & oh yea, Mike Bahr. My best deal so far has been Mellisa Bahr's ppv awake vid it rocks & for $10 it's the best deal on the net!!! Loved the shred guitar thread picked up alot of good music because of it... Does anybody know where I can get a copy of cacophony? any help would be appriciated...... e-mail me with info at randyshewey@msn.com . thanks keep up ze good work!!!!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 01:51:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KevMo Message-ID: <970715015107_1623504439@emout16.mail.aol.com>
It's only about 8 bars, but I don't think ANY other keyboardist could write something that awesome. **** How about that wacky Liszt guy? KevMo wrote great parts for the band...but Derek's jazzier influence on the new music has really got me psyched. Also...not one AMAZING keyboard part comes to mind when I think back over all the DT music I've heard. It all fits well...but nothing too technically difficult. On the contrary, on the little clip of "On the Page" from his Chromakey stuff, he plays the coolest lick i've ever heard him play. On the other contrary, Derek is a chops maniac from all his live stuff I've heard. Main thing is that Derek's seems actually excited to be in the band playing music. KevMo obviously wasn't, which is why he left. Just wait and listen to the new album before you pass judgement on the new guy.
******* Ben, you don't hear anything anyways... You think everything should sound like Coal Chamber YOU give it a rest... ******* Yup. I hear jack shit. And if you don't sound like Coal Chamber, you suck. That goes for Ryche, DT, Metallica, Thought Industry, KoRn (hehe), Steve Vai, Tori Amos, Dave Matthews Band, Mozart, Strauss, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Garth Brooks and that guy I saw playing accordion on the street corner last week. Sorry guys.
******* No, we won't give it a rest, we like it when your pants are down... ******* You're just jealous because you don't have full muscle control over your penis and testicles like I do. I can write my name in the snow without usin' my hands or swiveling my hips. PIYAH! (whip sound)
****** Would you ever want to make love to me? ****** No.
****** Actually, they did! Damn... I know too many people in the biz... so now we know you support sellout bands just like Bafu... ****** We already knew you only support bands that aren't famous, because you don't want to lose your "I'M UNIQUE AND I'M A WINNER!" feeling that you heard about in the last self esteem seminar you went to. Fame does not equal selling out.
Ben, the Man With The Prehensile Penis.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 02:20:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KevMo/Derek Message-ID: <970715022048_1447133383@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Don't you guys (the ones who complain about Derek) realize that if Derek had been the original keyboardist in Dream Theater, and recently left and was replaced by Kevin...that you would be bashing Kevin and saying you want Derek back? Your saying "DS just isn't as good" is a pile of bullshit. That has nothing to do with it. KevMo's gone, Derek is here. Deal with it.
Headric Testicles
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 02:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Wh-h-h-hoa. Message-ID: <970715023147_-426009139@emout19.mail.aol.com>
I'm gonna get a little philosophical here...ok, music, ya see, is a very powerful thing. It can make you cry, it can make you laugh, turn you on, make you jump around like a raving idiot, etc... and it's not only a creation of human beings. It is also the creation of the circumstances and environment under which it was built. So you can't be a fan of a musician, unless you are inspired by their personality or looks... you are a fan of the MUSIC. Most 'QR fans' on this list are fans of the music that came out through the 5 humans collectively known as Queensryche at that point in their lives, and was named 'Operation:Mindcrime'. Now a lot of musicians in the past (including Coltrane and Santana) see this as music being some spiritual force channeling through us...but Im not much of a spiritual guy, so I don't get into it so deeply, but I think you get my drift. ******
Huhuhuh. You said "turn you on". Huhuhuh.
Saussage
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:37:50 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Will the new album suck? Likely it will NOT. Message-ID: <199707150637.XAA15558@goodnet.com>
Will DT: FII be heavier? Will it be sellout? Will it be proggier? Will it please or disappoint DT fans everywhere?
A lot of these questions are being weighed in the minds and on the keyboards of DT fans everywhere as we await the release of the new album in September. I would like to submit that's it's highly unlikely that the album will suck, and here's why.
Petrucci, Myung, and Portnoy, but especially Petrucci, are gifted with a talent that most people (including me) would kill to have... the ability to write awesome music. Not complicated passages, or challenging timechanges, or twisted lyrics, or structured epics, but _songs_. I've said before that "it's all about songwriting" and believe me, that extends to the instrumental as well. It just so happens to be a happy coincidence that these talented songwriters are the primary songwriters in Dream Theater. And it also just so happens that the music by DT that we love the most are the _songs_ that are crafted the best: Voices, Learning To Live, Only A Matter Of Time, etc.
Does my argument hold water? I want to present for you some examples for your digestion of similar types of songs, with one example being what I consider "good songwriting" and one being what I consider "poor songwriting". See if you can tell the difference. You may want to listen to the tracks in question.
Good: Metallica "And Justice For All" Poor: Metallica "The Outlaw Torn"
Try to ignore for a moment the fact that Outlaw is from Load, because it's one of the tracks from that album that is most like their former works anyway. Both are long-format "power-anthem" types of songs. And both have their hooks, from "Winning is all... find it so grim, so true, so real!" to "And if I close my mind in fear, please pry it open". Both have long instrumental intros, and both have long instrumental outros. What is the difference? Listen closely to the way the songs are crafted. The lengths of each section in AJFA seem to be almost a bare minimum as you listen, and you yearn to hear more of the song, even though it's nearly ten minutes in length. The intensity and fury is communicated in the way the licks and riffs are written and arranged. Even the end of AJFA is a furious instrumental thematic halt, while TOT just sort of fades away (I _hate_ it when songs do that, generally speaking). I don't want to point out too much more and spoil it, but listen closely to both. They're both decent songs, but you can hear how AJFA is the better written song. It just takes on a will of its own and practically thrashes for itself. TOT at times just never becomes more than notes in a measure. See if you can tell why AJFA is good songwriting and TOT is poor songwriting.
Good: Rush "Leave That Thing Alone" Poor: Rush "Jacob's Ladder"
Both are at least very predominantly instrumental. Both have a mood and a tension that they build on their own, at a steady pace, and both have a tightness and are generally good to listen to. Why, then, does LTTA age _far_ better than JL ever did? I went into a lot of the prime differences in the AJFA/TOT paragraph, so listen to both of these. LTTA seems at times to have a life of its own, to transcend mere performed music and to penetrate the mind and be absorbed into experiences. JL just has some really long, repetitive sections that could really have been a hell of a lot shorter and still carry the song. I like JL, don't get me wrong, but it's poorly written. Listen and see if you can tell the difference.
Finally...
Good: Dream Theater "Take The Time" Poor: Dream Theater "Afterlife"
I chose these two songs very specifically because both are complex, both involve an anthem-style chorus that can be repetitive if it's poorly crafted, and both have very fast, very difficult-to-play instrumental elements. Yet in the minds of DT fans, I doubt if I even have to explain why TTT is better songwriting than Afterlife. I mean, it just _is_, right? That's probably what you're thinking. It's just _better_. Anyone can tell that. But the question is WHY? You've already made the correct decision about which one is better. Try to examing in your own mind, while listening to both songs, why you decided the way you did. Your own thoughts will give you insight on this.
Hope I've given everyone some decent food for thought here.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 02:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hee. Message-ID: <970715024706_-1977585196@emout15.mail.aol.com>
YOu FUCKING LIAR!!! You don't wear pants... **** Shhhhhhhhhhh.
Head, the pantless Ytsejammer.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 02:51:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Laussade@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: VEGAS & stuff Message-ID: <970715025159_-990336938@emout17.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-07-15 02:50:51 EDT, you write:
<< hey jammies, headin' out to Vegas on wednesday any jammers in the area know any good music stores around that I can raid , or possibly meet some other jammers ? >>
Nope. There are no good music stores in Vegas. The only exiciting thing here is me. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. And, I found Cacophony in a used CD store here, but that was the only one there. Sorry.
Ben the Underage Non-Gambling Maniac
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:28:41 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: KevMo Message-ID: <199707150728.AAA13395@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Laussade@aol.com said: >We already knew you only support bands that aren't famous, because you don't >want to lose your "I'M UNIQUE AND I'M A WINNER!" feeling that you heard about >in the last self esteem seminar you went to. Fame does not equal selling out.
Empirical evidence of man's greed has proven time again that Fame = selling out in the music industry, but we may live in different universes... yes... it's much better than the feeling of "WHO CARES IF THEY SELL OUT, THEY'LL GET MY MONEY IF THEY SOUND LIKE SPICE GIRLS"
You yourself already said more than once that all those "pretentious prog bands all sound the same"...
Stay on the other side of the fence if you don't want to put on your pants.
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 01:37:35 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: How far can one's head go???? Message-ID: <199707150739.AAA11892@odin.ax.com>
>So he said to me, "Just look at their singer, he sings like a girl, looks >like a girl, and people only like him for his butt"
Heheheh... Don't get me started on that again. :)
>Of course, this discussion is somewhat pointless, because DT is going to >progress in whatever direction they want to go, which is the way it >should be. And I know I'm going to rush out to the CD store on the day >that the new album finally comes out....
I totally agree. The band makes the decision what they want to write/record/play, not the fans. Personally, I can't WAIT until the new DT comes out. I'm just gonna refer back to this when people start going, "Wah! I don't like this! Wah! This sucks! Wah! They sold out!" (rubbing hands anxiously)
Hi, I'm Korg, and I like Hear in the Now Frontier. I can't help it, I just like washed up, sell-out bands. You got a fookin' problem with that? (Shoving head farther up ass...)
> Ugh! I'll admit, I don't tweak amps well, but of all the amps it >claims to be able to emulate, i was only able to emulate the ones it doesn't >talk about: Crate, Pignose, Gorilla, and Fender 10 watters! I think this is >one field at which i will be deemed an unsuitable judge... anything with >that many buttons and knobs that doesn't control effects is just wrongful. :)
<rant> Is it me, though, or is it when you try out ANY guitar at ANY store they always hook you up to the shittiest possible amp? You would think they'd want it to sound good so you'd want to buy it but no, they hook you up to that twead suitcase with a speaker that is all thick sounding and has the distortion of a Kirby electric vacuum cleaner. Nothing that mankind could possible ever invent could ever fix one those thing (except maybe a shotgun). </rant>
>Don't you guys (the ones who complain about Derek) realize that if Derek had >been the original keyboardist in Dream Theater, and recently left and was >replaced by Kevin...that you would be bashing Kevin and saying you want Derek
It IS going to be a change, we just can't say for sure how much yet. From what I heard from the Awake tour, Derek's more of a jazzy player, and that's going to be the biggest disappointment to me about the whole issue. I'm just not a jazz fan at all. Not that I WON'T like it, I have to hear it first. At least I won't break down and whine about it here though. (Shoving head into the deep, dark recesses of my soul...)
Rectal Head KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "S. Borzilleri" <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Queensrychebowl XIV Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970715004412.45952C-100000@dante01.u.washington.edu>
> From: "Dusty Vestal" <vestal@access.usa.net> > Subject: Re: Queensryche, Farewell, OOPS!!, Puh-Pounded > > I disagree, just because you are a FAN doesn't mean you have to be > forced to like every one of their albums. My god, what if they were to > turn really bizarre and put out a rap CD, does that mean that since I'm > a so called "fan" that I would have to find a way to like it??
What's with all the references to "forcing?" You don't have to force yourself to like anything, and you have missed my point entirely. The idea about arming oneself with an open mind towards the changing state of an artist's psyche in order to allow oneself to appreciate a higher diversity of music doesn't seem to be a very popular practice here as I have now been trashed for suggesting it. Either that or everyone skipped that section of what I wrote. I apologize, it will never happen again.
Somehow what I said was interpreted by everyone as "you must own all Queensryche albums to call yourself a fan." This idea isn't what I expressed and it isn't something I believe in. Amassing a collection has nothing to do with how much of a fan you are of anything, and you don't have to LIKE a band's new direction to call yourself a fan of their work. LIKE isn't the word I used. I will try not to ask any more questions, but in case someone imagines that I'm "pretentious" for refraining, I'd like you to know that I'm sitting here scratching my head.
building a mystery,
Bafu Vai
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